Morry Stillwell
Kevin Anderson
from the nationals web page at http://www.crl.com/~iceskate/usnats.htm:
>When Morry Stillwell was introduced to present medals a the final awards
>cermony this evening a samll amount of booing was heard, some even
>coming from event volunteers.
Huh? Not only didn't I hear any boos, but while he was presenting medals
a whole section was cheering his name. Even the PA announcer made a
crack about Morry having his own cheering section.
Kevin
Sklar Toy
writes:
USFSA. I know him personally, and I'm grateful for all he has done for
me re skating.
CloranWF
almost every time he came out to give medals. The compeditors obviously
like him and the cheering started in the "cheap seats" assigned to the
compeditors and spread to the whole place as the compedition went on.
Louis Epstein
: Morry has done a great deal of good for the skaters and their families
: as well as for the association. Amateur skating is at a major
: crossroads right now and we definitely need someone with Morry's concern
: and energy to keep things moving in the right direction.
Hmmm...what does HE think is the right direction,and where do the other
forks at the crossroads go?
Kevin Anderson
Carl and Juliana Dupre <dupr...@crocker.com> () writes:
>Is that so? I wonder if the rumor I heard about all the coaches signing a
>petition to have him impeached is true or not. I heard it from some
>coaches. Can anyone clear this matter up?
I don't know about a petition, but the stink was caused over limiting
access to the skaters areas at this years nationals. Due to the high number
of competitors, shortage of space, and security concerns the number of
people who were allowed to be rinkside with a skater was limited. In past
competitions I guess anybody with credentials could go down there. This
caused a hissy fit by coaches who didn't want to be left out. Rather than
see the underlying reasons for the limited access, the troublemakers couldn't see
past their egos. I can understand wanting to have a bunch of people around
your skater, but if the rule is applied evenly to everybody then there is no
advantage gained by one of your competitors. So what's the big deal? I guess
some coaches just don't like being told "you can't go there".
I'm not sure exactly who was allowed rinkside. I think (not sure) each
competitor was allowed 1 coach and 1 other person.
I've known Morry via email for at least a couple years and I can vouch for
the fact that he's a nice guy.
Kevin
Louis Epstein
: Carl and Juliana Dupre <dupr...@crocker.com> () writes:
: >Is that so? I wonder if the rumor I heard about all the coaches signing a
: >petition to have him impeached is true or not. I heard it from some
: >coaches. Can anyone clear this matter up?
: I don't know about a petition, but the stink was caused over limiting
: access to the skaters areas at this years nationals. Due to the high number
: of competitors, shortage of space, and security concerns the number of
: people who were allowed to be rinkside with a skater was limited. In past
: competitions I guess anybody with credentials could go down there. This
: caused a hissy fit by coaches who didn't want to be left out. Rather than
: see the underlying reasons for the limited access, the troublemakers couldn't see
: past their egos. I can understand wanting to have a bunch of people around
: your skater, but if the rule is applied evenly to everybody then there is no
: advantage gained by one of your competitors. So what's the big deal? I guess
: some coaches just don't like being told "you can't go there".
Wouldn't this be grounds for opposing Joseph Driano,the Chief Referee,
rather than impeaching the President of the USFSA?
: I'm not sure exactly who was allowed rinkside. I think (not sure) each
: competitor was allowed 1 coach and 1 other person.
Note the separate limiting of credentials for competitors whose events were
not in the main arena...Novice non-figure competitors couldn't go
backstage,figure competitors couldn't get in the building without paying
for tickets.Skaters AND coaches got mad.
Driano said something had to be done because the number of people was
getting too big.I don't see why that means chop it severely rather than
cap its growth.
Lorrie Kim
popularity go... I heard a rumor from some skaters that he made an
extremely racist comment at a competition, and that did not sit well with
some people.
For what it's worth (maybe nothing)....
Lorrie Kim
SKHazen
writes:
>I heard a rumor from some skaters that he made an
>extremely [snip] comment at a competition
I don't follow Morry around all the time and thus cannot confirm or deny
every specific thing he has ever said. I can say that I have been
fortunate to be in his company a lot (both at skating events and in
private social occasions) and am completely dumbfounded that anyone would
say this (which is why I snipped the actual word; I simply WILL NOT
republish what appears to me to be a sladerous statement).
It is my pleasure to be a member of the Los Angeles Figure Skating Club
where over the years I have witnessed Morry being extremely supportive of
skaters of virtually every ethnic/racial/religious background you could
name (we are blessed with virtually every one of them). I suspect Morry
would be supportive of a skater who was purple if that skater showed heart
and desire.
Is this kind of rumormongering/character assassination what this Newsgroup
has come to? Quite apart from Morry, allow me to propose the following:
if particants in this Newsgroup have a problem with something someone said
(may have said/is alleged to have said) off this Newgroup, take it up
directly with that person. Don't inflict it on us.
Please note that I have intentionally X'd out the identity of the person
who posted the quote in question. I will assume (and hope I have the
right to do so) that the post was merely a not well-considered action
rather than an intent to hurt or even defame someone. I guess even if we
have a problem with something someone says ON this Newsgroup is would not
hurt to give that person the benefit of the doubt.
Steven
[time stamped 6:00 pm ET, 8 Feb 96]
SKHazen
being held in Harbin, China, are as follows (presented as received, last
name first):
1. Chen Lu CHN 0.5
2. Malinina Tatyana UZB 1.0
3. Sano Hiromi JPN 1.5
4. Suguri Fumie JPN 2.0
5. Liu Ying CHN 2.5
6. Lu Meijia CHN 3.0
7. Inoue Rena JPN 3.5
8. Choi Hyung-Kyung KOR 4.0
9. Gossard Chrisha THA 4.5
10. Weng Ja-Ling TPE 5.0
11. Auyeung Ritadolly HKG 5.5
12. Ren Carole HKG 6.0
***Referee*** ***Assistant
Referee***
Hiramatsu Junko JPN Yang Jiasheng
CHN
[sent to r.s.s.i.f 10:15 am ET, 9 Feb 96]
SKHazen
held in Harbin, China, are as follows (presented as received, last name
1. 3 1 Guo Zhongxin CHN 2.5
2. 1 2 Zhang Min CHN 2.5
3. 2 3 Li Xia CHN 4.0
4. 6 4 Sigematsu Naoki JPN 7.0
5. 4 5 Takeuchi Yosuke JPN 7.0
6. 9 6 Aiyoshi Gaku JPN 10.5
7. 7 7 Lee Kyou-Byun KOR 10.5
8. 5 9 Litvinov Youri KAZ 11.5
9. 8 8 Liu Chung-Ta TPE 12.0
10. 10 10 Chan Yan-Ho HKG 15.0
11. 11 11 Chong Chung-Shing HKG 16.5
***Referee*** ***Assistant Referee***
Yang Jiasheng CHN Shirota Noriko JPN
[sent to r.s.s.i.f 12:25 pm ET, 9 Feb 96]
MDM
Sklar Toy
From what I've read, it seems that a lot of this was due to tight
security at the San Jose Arena. I do not believe he had anything to do
with the tight security which prevented coaches and parents from
accessing certain backstage (so to speak) areas. And while it may be
understanding that they can be upset since this was not the case in
previous Nationals. They must understand the need for tighter security
now that the numbers involved have increased tremendously, not to
mention the popularity; and they must take additional precautions.
Morry himself was frustrated by the extra tight security, telling me
that it delayed him in getting to a Medals Ceremony.
No one's to blame, but better notification about the security
procedures should've been addressed by the organizing committees.
Morry is a big favorite of skaters, coaches and other officials. An
unliked member would NOT have been elected President of the USFSA, nor
in any other organization.
Let's stop these unfounded and idiotic rumours, please.
Sklar
Los Angeles
Louis Epstein
: Did Midori Ito compete?
Obviously not...it looks like she's keeping her season to an absolute
minimum.
SKHazen
writes:
>Did Midori Ito compete?
No, Midori was not entered in the Asian Winter Games. I understand that
Chen Lu was originally not entered but was added as a competitor only
within the last 10 days or so.
Bern
Ladies final standings. Also, why didn't Midori Ito and Hanae Yokoya
join? Thanks
Bern
R. Moes
Perhaps staying away was Midori's idea, but I don't think so. The
Japanese Figure Skating Association has indicated that they prefer to use
events like this and the Challenge series to give their up-and-coming
skaters a chance for more international exposure. Yokoya in particular
has benefited from this.
--Rob Moes
can...@ibm.net
>MDM (mar...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: Did Midori Ito compete?
>
>Obviously not...it looks like she's keeping her season to an absolute
>minimum.
At Asian Games in Harbin, Northeastern part of China, only Akie Suguri at 3rd
(4th at Japanese Nationals) and Hiromi Sano at 4th (3rd at Japanese Nationals)
are participating from Japan. The only famous skater is Lu Chen.
Tatjiana Maririna from Uzbekistan finished at 2nd.
Lorrie Kim
SKHazen wrote a wonderfully polite, even-handed objection to
something I posted earlier.
Last week I absent-mindedly passed on some unverified gossip I
heard about Morry Stillwell. It was a mistake, as I realized soon
afterward. I take full responsibility for it and I regret it.
I hope people realized that I do not know Mr. Stillwell, I have
absolutely no reason to spread any impression of him at all (positive or
negative), and that this was only one mistake on MY part -- not a
harbinger of a useless trend on this news group.
As for WHY I did it: there isn't really a good reason, only me
wondering now "What could I have been thinking?"
I hope I did not do too much damage.
Lorrie Kim