Stefan Lambiel's Free Skate (Spoilers)
Nick Cassaro
been a shoe in for gold. I thought his program was much better than
Plushenko's.
Just another gossip
Nick Cassaro <cass...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
I agree that his program (and just about everyone's program) is better
than Plushenko's, but even if he'd skated absolutely perfectly, Plush
was too far ahead. He was damn determined to win that gold and packed in
everything he could fit in his "program" to ensure it.
Plushenko's program, while brilliant technically, is like watching
someone at an all you can eat buffet. You've got five minutes to stuff
your face, and off he goes...
Shillelagh
"Nick Cassaro" <cass...@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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> If Stephane Lambiel had landed all his jumps in the Free Skate he'd have
> been a shoe in for gold. I thought his program was much better than
> Plushenko's.
Yes, his program was better than Plushy's, but do you realize that Buttle
placed ahead of Lambiel in the LP? I don't think Lambiel would have
defeated Plushenko even with all his jumps, because the fix was in for
Plushenko. There was no way Plushenko was going to be given the PC scores
he truly deserved.... (sigh).
On to the ice dance tomorrow!
Shelagh
ant
Am i the only one who really didn't like Lambiel's program? I really
dislike Pluschenko's choregoraphy but i thought Lambiel was awful in
the long program. He'd CoP'd all of his spins except the final
combination spin and they were nowhere near his usual speed or the
speed of the final combination spin and he looked to me like he was
checking off elements.
Buttle's program was the most beautiful for me - i thought his
choregraphy and interpretation were just fantastic. I was really proud
of him for going for the good and fully rotating it and for hanging on
to the wobbly jumps.
My digital cable conspired against me and failed for every group except
the last one (be thankful for small mercies i guess) so i missed Kevin
VDP and Sandhu and some others i would have like to have seen. can
anyone fill me in on these programs? Which sandhu showed up? And is
sandhu hanging up his skates after this season? Is Buttle carrying on?
Weir's program i thought was really nice too though i think he's too
introspective when he skates to Otonal...maybe Camille should be on the
ice with him for every performance?!
And i must confess not getting any of the hype Takahashi has received
on the internet. i watched his program and thought the same as at
worlds in moscow - too much stuf packed in and he didn't give himself a
fighting chacne to land the jump because every jump has a short or
difficult entrance. He should split the difference and add some
preparation to the jumps (shit he could skate around for half the
length of the rink setting up jumps and he'd still be doing it in half
the time pluschenko does!). At least here he got more of his jumps.
Joubert i think is pulling a Goebel...he's out of it and either the
younger french guys are going to stop him getting back to international
championships or he's going to start getting dumped out of the top 10.
While his LP at euros looked more like his own individualism comnig
through last night's LP looked all poor mans Yags...sigh....Brian
you'll never be half the skater Yags is, give it up, change
choreographer, work with someone who doesn't create the program for
Yagudin, gets yagudin to teach you it and then you perform it worse.
And was it just me or was this one of the worst men's comeptitions in a
very long time? Maybe i just don't appreciate enough of the Men to
really be rooting for anyone, or maybe the foregone conclusion took out
any excitement from this event but i was really disinterested. I can't
stand Lambiel's competitive skating...its sucks,COP makes him to do
much crappy COP gimmick skating. His exhibitions are to die for, i hope
he skates his James Blunt exhibition in Torino - watch for the beutiful
flwoing straightline step sequence - its beuatiful real pure skating.
The edges and flow when he's not trying to rack up points is beautiful.
Ant
Shillelagh
"ant" <a_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Am i the only one who really didn't like Lambiel's program? I really
> dislike Pluschenko's choregoraphy but i thought Lambiel was awful in
> the long program. He'd CoP'd all of his spins except the final
> combination spin and they were nowhere near his usual speed or the
> speed of the final combination spin and he looked to me like he was
> checking off elements.
Oh, oh - now I know what I'm doing later. I'm really glad I taped all of
this, because now you've got me wondering. I did find Lambiel's LP costume
terribly distracting, except I loved the snowflake on his leg.(laugh)
> Buttle's program was the most beautiful for me - i thought his
> choregraphy and interpretation were just fantastic. I was really proud
> of him for going for the good and fully rotating it and for hanging on
> to the wobbly jumps.
I loved that you could see his fire and determination.... I'm so glad he
went back to that program, as it really shows up his strengths.
> My digital cable conspired against me and failed for every group except
> the last one (be thankful for small mercies i guess) so i missed Kevin
> VDP and Sandhu and some others i would have like to have seen. can
> anyone fill me in on these programs? Which sandhu showed up? And is
> sandhu hanging up his skates after this season? Is Buttle carrying on?
Oh dear - Kevin VDP was only so-so and I didn't bother taping him. Sandhu
was DREADFUL!! Mr. Choke showed up. He fell on his quad combo attempt, fell
on both(?) axel attempts.... to be honest I hated the music for his LP this
year. I know he likes to use off-beat music, but this was really too far
out there..... Is he hanging up his skates? Who the hell knows....
probably Skate Canada wishes he would. As for Buttle, I don't know about
that either. I'm hoping he continues on until Vancouver in 2010.
> Weir's program i thought was really nice too though i think he's too
> introspective when he skates to Otonal...maybe Camille should be on the
> ice with him for every performance?!
Apparently he changed his program on the fly, and according to the Canadian
commentators he only used 7 of his 8 jump windows. I really like the music
for that LP, but he definitely did not do it justice last night. Did you
read all his excuses for his failure to do well? He's another Sandhu, but
maybe not quite as bad.
> And i must confess not getting any of the hype Takahashi has received
> on the internet.
I keep remembering the Takahashi I saw at Skate America... and I love this
guy! I hope he can calm his nerves and improve his ability to skate under
pressure.
> He should split the difference and add some
> preparation to the jumps (shit he could skate around for half the
> length of the rink setting up jumps and he'd still be doing it in half
> the time pluschenko does!). At least here he got more of his jumps.
yes, he does FLY around the rink. And at Skate America - he floated too!
(laugh)
> Joubert i think is pulling a Goebel...he's out of it and either the
> younger french guys are going to stop him getting back to international
> championships or he's going to start getting dumped out of the top 10.
He might be on a slippery slope. But he should quit whining about the
scoring system. It's here and it's not going away. He needs to accept it
and learn to work with it. However, this year, I'm not sure it makes much
difference, especially where Plushy was concerned. He was set to win,
regardless.
> And was it just me or was this one of the worst men's comeptitions in a
> very long time? Maybe i just don't appreciate enough of the Men to
> really be rooting for anyone, or maybe the foregone conclusion took out
> any excitement from this event but i was really disinterested.
I wasn't all that thrilled with it, and for the very reason you stated - the
foregone conclusion part of it. I'm happy for Buttle, but I think he needs
to get his jumps in better shape to have any hope of climbing higher on the
podium. His 3 axel is still scary and as much as I hate to say it - he
needs that quad. (I really wish they'd ban the quad).
Shelagh
ant
Shillelagh wrote:
> "ant" <a_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > Am i the only one who really didn't like Lambiel's program? I really
> > dislike Pluschenko's choregoraphy but i thought Lambiel was awful in
> > the long program. He'd CoP'd all of his spins except the final
> > combination spin and they were nowhere near his usual speed or the
> > speed of the final combination spin and he looked to me like he was
> > checking off elements.
>
> Oh, oh - now I know what I'm doing later. I'm really glad I taped all of
> this, because now you've got me wondering. I did find Lambiel's LP costume
> terribly distracting, except I loved the snowflake on his leg.(laugh)
Oh i know - the zebra and parrot must be really confused by the
snowflake...and the ice! Well if Johnny can have the swan on the ice
with him , there's nothing to stop Lambiel bringnig the rest of Noah's
arc with him is there?
> > Buttle's program was the most beautiful for me - i thought his
> > choregraphy and interpretation were just fantastic. I was really proud
> > of him for going for the good and fully rotating it and for hanging on
> > to the wobbly jumps.
>
> I loved that you could see his fire and determination.... I'm so glad he
> went back to that program, as it really shows up his strengths.
What i love is that he doesn't give up if its not working - you could
see that in the SP, despte teh jump problems he smiled and sold the
program and held on to that right until he finished his ending
pose...that get bonus marks from me - if you can still do the
inbetweens and keep your game face on even when thnigs are going wrong
you're a winner. He's so close on the quad- its fully rotated, he's
done it before in competition as well hasn't he? I think if Plushy
retires the quad may go the way of the dodo...the only other guy
ladning one consistenyl can't bu a triple axel. Jeff may not have a
100% reliable triple axel but he has a pretty ok one and has two in his
programs.
[snip]
> > Weir's program i thought was really nice too though i think he's too
> > introspective when he skates to Otonal...maybe Camille should be on the
> > ice with him for every performance?!
>
> Apparently he changed his program on the fly, and according to the Canadian
> commentators he only used 7 of his 8 jump windows. I really like the music
> for that LP, but he definitely did not do it justice last night. Did you
> read all his excuses for his failure to do well? He's another Sandhu, but
> maybe not quite as bad.
Yes - you could tell he was - the double axel where the quad attempt
might go and then playing presto chango with other elements...the
missed triple flip though took guts to come round the corner and try it
again but like you say if you start mking it up on teh fly you may not
do all your possible jumping passes (and actually that was his problem
with otonal at last year's worlds too) or conversley you may exceeed
your combo and/or jump maximum.
Ant
Rex!!
his skating and thought his placement was totally deserved.
Shillelagh
>
> Shillelagh wrote:
> > "ant" <a_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1140173764.9...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > Am i the only one who really didn't like Lambiel's program? I really
> > > dislike Pluschenko's choregoraphy but i thought Lambiel was awful in
> > > the long program. He'd CoP'd all of his spins except the final
> > > combination spin and they were nowhere near his usual speed or the
> > > speed of the final combination spin and he looked to me like he was
> > > checking off elements.
> >
> > Oh, oh - now I know what I'm doing later. I'm really glad I taped all
of
> > this, because now you've got me wondering. I did find Lambiel's LP
costume
> > terribly distracting, except I loved the snowflake on his leg.(laugh)
Okay ant - I went back this a.m. and reviewed Lambiel's program. I thought
it was pretty good. I loved his spins which are much better than most
skaters - and I thought his speed was better than most. I found he flails
his arms a lot, although not as badly as Plushenko. His quad combo was
fine... I wish Buttle had a quad like that. I also love the Four Seasons,
so when the music is good, I enjoy the program more.
(ant is writing about Buttle here)
> What i love is that he doesn't give up if its not working -
Unlike Dr. Jekyll...... who caved at the first sign of trouble.
>you could
> see that in the SP, despite the jump problems he smiled and sold the
> program and held on to that right until he finished his ending
> pose...that get bonus marks from me - if you can still do the
> inbetweens and keep your game face on even when thnigs are going wrong
> you're a winner. He's so close on the quad- its fully rotated, he's
> done it before in competition as well hasn't he?
Maybe he has, I don't remember - our commentators said he hasn't completed
one in competition for a long time. I noticed that he seems to be so used
to not completing it that he just leaps up very quickly and keeps skating.
I wonder if that is one reason why he doesn't complete it - maybe he thinks
he won't and just collapses... I don't know - maybe he should consult with
Elvis Stojko about technique on the quad, and the 3 axel. Or Kurt Browning -
he sure pegged the problem with Sandhu's axel.
>I think if Plushy
> retires the quad may go the way of the dodo...the only other guy
> ladning one consistenyl can't bu a triple axel. Jeff may not have a
> 100% reliable triple axel but he has a pretty ok one and has two in his
> programs.
But we've read elsewhere here that Plushy doesn't plan to retire. I never
thought I'd say this about a skater, but maybe his hernia repair will have
to be redone..... my father-in-law has had his done FOUR times. Or maybe
he'll pull his groin again with all those quads. That's one reason I don't
like the quad - it seems that the skaters that do it or try it all end up
with either hip or groin injuries. That's it - Plushy - stop now before
you hurt yourself again!!!! PLEASE !!
Shelagh
Nick Cassaro
I think it would be interesting to see last night's performances judged
under 6.0 though. Plushenko would have been lower, that's for sure.
But would it have been enough to knock him from first? I dunno if it
can be said that code of points screwed him, but code of points
definitely has the potential TO screw.
Shillelagh
>
> I think it would be interesting to see last night's performances judged
> under 6.0 though. Plushenko would have been lower, that's for sure.
> But would it have been enough to knock him from first? I dunno if it
> can be said that code of points screwed him, but code of points
> definitely has the potential TO screw.
I think since he was preprogrammed to win, he would have been given 6.0's
across the board.
Shelagh
noone
>
> >
> > Am i the only one who really didn't like Lambiel's program? I really
> > dislike Pluschenko's choregoraphy but i thought Lambiel was awful in
> > the long program. He'd CoP'd all of his spins except the final
> > combination spin and they were nowhere near his usual speed or the
> > speed of the final combination spin and he looked to me like he was
> > checking off elements.
>
> Oh, oh - now I know what I'm doing later. I'm really glad I taped all of
> this, because now you've got me wondering. I did find Lambiel's LP costume
> terribly distracting, except I loved the snowflake on his leg.(laugh)
I loved what Dick Button said. He said the costume reminded him of his
dining room curtains. I laughed through half of his program.
>