Katia Gordeeva & Igor Zelensky
szoradi
I haven't visited this newsgroup for several months but am curious
whether or not all of you have picked up on a great piece of news that
straddles the world of skating & ballet: the courtship & eminent
engagement/marriage of Kirov ballet superstar Igor Zelensky to Ekaterina
(Katia) Gordeeva! The disclosure of this romance by Igor Zelensky
during interviews in London, England (during the Kirov Ballet's run
this past July) has the ballet world buzzing. During one interview with
the Times of London newspaper, Zelensky even disclosed that Katia "will
be very upset" because he disclosed this news, but that he is very much
in love. He says that Katia has even taught him to skate.
Why haven't any of the ice skating websites (Blades on Ice, ASW, etc.)
made any mention of this? Perhaps the news has just stayed in the
ballet circles? If Zelensky was quoted in as venerable a paper as the
Times of London talking about his wishes to marry Katia (and their
current romance), then surely there must be some truth to it.
What have the rest of you heard? - Jeannie Szoradi, Washington, DC
Arie Peltzer
szoradi wrote:
Please check out this web page:
http://www.ballet.co.uk/interviews.htm
Then go to this interview: Igor Zelensky (Kirov) Interview, July 1997,
by Ismene Brown.{register?}
Then look for the following:
<<How he feels, though, is "a little bit bored". He's 27 this Sunday,
and distracted by his love for a skater in New York.>>
and this: <<It doesn't show on stage, but Zelensky has temporarily lost
his single-mindedness: he loves his girl, wants to marry her, and has
taken up ice-skating. He enthusiastically admires Torvill and Dean, and
the Canadian male champion, Kurt Browning. >>
and this: <<He is appealingly transparent, and told me much too much
about his girlfriend, ringing me up later in a terrible stew because
she's fanatical about privacy and had given him an ear-bashing. She is a
celebrity too, and there are commercial complications which mean that
Igor can't yet put the public seal on his love that he yearns for.>>
Who knows?
Irene.
IlyaSk8
> I personally think it's too song for Katia to be
>thinking about this, but it's her life and if she wants her privacy, let
>her have it.
It *may* be too soon for Katia to have this *relationship* if there is
one, but it's her life, not ours. Besides, she could be looking for a
father-figure for Daria.
--J
Trudi Marrapodi
> I haven't visited this newsgroup for several months but am curious
> whether or not all of you have picked up on a great piece of news that
> straddles the world of skating & ballet: the courtship & eminent
> engagement/marriage of Kirov ballet superstar Igor Zelensky to Ekaterina
> (Katia) Gordeeva! The disclosure of this romance by Igor Zelensky
> during interviews in London, England (during the Kirov Ballet's run
> this past July) has the ballet world buzzing. During one interview with
> the Times of London newspaper, Zelensky even disclosed that Katia "will
> be very upset" because he disclosed this news, but that he is very much
> in love. He says that Katia has even taught him to skate.
>
> Why haven't any of the ice skating websites (Blades on Ice, ASW, etc.)
> made any mention of this? Perhaps the news has just stayed in the
> ballet circles? If Zelensky was quoted in as venerable a paper as the
> Times of London talking about his wishes to marry Katia (and their
> current romance), then surely there must be some truth to it.
>
> What have the rest of you heard? - Jeannie Szoradi, Washington, DC
I went to the web page suggested by someone else here, and read the
article posted there, and I noted that nowhere in the article is the
skater in question identified.
I also noticed that she is said to be "in New York." Last thing I heard,
Katia was not living in New York, but in Simsbury.
Unless the London Times has specifically named this skater, she could be
Katarina Witt for all we know from this.
Have you seen anything that says concretely and definitely that Katia is
the girl?
I guess I just err on the side of caution. I can't forget the person who
appeared here saying she was so thrilled that Katia and Scott Hamilton had
fallen in love, because she had seen them backstage at an SOI show and it
was obvious what was going on. That story ended up looking pretty foolish
when the People magazine article came out.
--
Trudi
President for Life, International Skate-Trolling Union
www...@forgetaboutit.net
To mail me, replace "forgetaboutit" with "frontiernet"
Sara Freeman
In <hudsonw-2909...@van-52-0136.direct.ca> hud...@direct.ca
(hudson) writes:
>
>In article <wwwords-2909...@srv-9-34.roc.ny.frontiernet.net>,
>www...@forgetaboutit.net (Trudi Marrapodi) wrote:
>
>
>[snip]
>>
>> Have you seen anything that says concretely and definitely that
Katia is
>> the girl?
>
Ekaterina
>Gordeeva had been seen at some of Igor Zelensky's performances in NY.
The
>rest may or may not be idle speculation. (I watched the ballet too
and I
>am not romantically linked with any performer.)
>
>With regards to a period of mourning, there is no federal or state
>legislation that dictates that a survivor must grieve for a specified
>period of time lest she/he suffer the idle speculations of unhappy,
>unfulfilled and meddlesome people. It is no one's business that a
widow
>should fall in love again and live happily everafter. Who would deny
>anyone the right to privacy and the pursuit of happiness?
It's been said that when one gets married not too long after becoming a
widow/widower that's a sign that the previous marriage was a good
marriage.
--
If you can't say anything nice about
anybody . . . come sit by me.
BH8833
Haven't heard a thing. I personally think it's too song for Katia to be
thinking about this, but it's her life and if she wants her privacy, let
blabbing...........
hudson
Amy Rork
Sara Freeman wrote in article <60p45a$h...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>...
>It's been said that when one gets married not too long after becoming a
>widow/widower that's a sign that the previous marriage was a good
>marriage.
Good point. And, as someone of near Katia's age (and married), I would
certainly hope that she would not push away happiness in her life. After
all, it has been almost two years since her husband's death and two years
can be a long time to be lonely when you are only twenty-seven.
Just a thought. (Besides, I'd hate to see a backlash aimed at her simply
because of an unsubstantiated rumor that has nothing to do with her skating.
Yes, we all know it can happen -- er, has happened.)
--Amy Rork
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Javed
On 29 Sep 1997 20:47:38 GMT, fre...@ix.netcom.com(Sara Freeman)
wrote:
>In <hudsonw-2909...@van-52-0136.direct.ca> hud...@direct.ca
>(hudson) writes:
>>
>>With regards to a period of mourning, there is no federal or state
>>legislation that dictates that a survivor must grieve for a specified
>>period of time lest she/he suffer the idle speculations of unhappy,
>>unfulfilled and meddlesome people. It is no one's business that a
>>widow
>>should fall in love again and live happily everafter. Who would deny
>>anyone the right to privacy and the pursuit of happiness?
>
>
>It's been said that when one gets married not too long after becoming a
>widow/widower that's a sign that the previous marriage was a good
>marriage.
>
>
Of course the rumor of a romance does not necessarily mean there is
going to be a marriage. And, whoever it was that said it was too soon,
let's not forget that it's almost two years since Sergei died. It may
be romantic for some fans to think of Katia forever as "The Grieving
Young Widow," but it is for her to decide when that term is no longer
applicable.
Javed
Trudi Marrapodi
In article <34308755...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, ja...@ix.netcom.com
(Javed) wrote:
> On 29 Sep 1997 20:47:38 GMT, fre...@ix.netcom.com(Sara Freeman)
> wrote:
>
> >In <hudsonw-2909...@van-52-0136.direct.ca> hud...@direct.ca
> >(hudson) writes:
> >>
> >>With regards to a period of mourning, there is no federal or state
> >>legislation that dictates that a survivor must grieve for a specified
> >>period of time lest she/he suffer the idle speculations of unhappy,
> >>unfulfilled and meddlesome people. It is no one's business that a
> >>widow
> >>should fall in love again and live happily everafter. Who would deny
> >>anyone the right to privacy and the pursuit of happiness?
I don't know who would. If Katia is the girl, more power to her! All I was
saying is that I don't like seeing unsubstantiated rumors here. If it
turns out to be true, then great. Katia is under no obligation to play a
sad and sorrowful figure to fulfill someone else's romantic notions. I
said not long after Sergei died that fans shouldn't build up too romantic
an image of her widowhood...because chances are one day she's going to
meet someone, someone who could be much like or completely unlike Sergei,
and who could bring great happiness to her life, if she lets him.
> >It's been said that when one gets married not too long after becoming a
> >widow/widower that's a sign that the previous marriage was a good
> >marriage.
Well, in that case I know a couple of people attached to the skating world
in one way or another who must have had VERY happy marriages, Peter
Burrows being one of them.
> Of course the rumor of a romance does not necessarily mean there is
> going to be a marriage. And, whoever it was that said it was too soon,
> let's not forget that it's almost two years since Sergei died. It may
> be romantic for some fans to think of Katia forever as "The Grieving
> Young Widow," but it is for her to decide when that term is no longer
> applicable.
> Javed
That's for sure. It really is Katia's business what she does with her
private life, and I think it would be sad if she felt (or if someone
persuaded her) that she would no longer be a popular skater or a
"sympathetic figure" if she actually chose life and happiness with someone
new.
Jennifer Lyon
www...@forgetaboutit.net wrote:
>I don't know who would. If Katia is the girl, more power to her! All I
was
>saying is that I don't like seeing unsubstantiated rumors here. If it
>turns out to be true, then great. Katia is under no obligation to play
a
>sad and sorrowful figure to fulfill someone else's romantic notions. I
>said not long after Sergei died that fans shouldn't build up too
romantic
>an image of her widowhood...because chances are one day she's going to
>meet someone, someone who could be much like or completely unlike Sergei,
>and who could bring great happiness to her life, if she lets him.
I hope Katia does find happiness with someone. Like you said, these
rumors are unsubstantiated and I think we should all keep that in mind.
And if Katia and Igor really are dating, it doesn't necessarily mean they
are about to get married. They could have just gone out to dinner a
couple of times, or something like that. I don't know anything about
Igor Zelensky. (Is he cute?) But if he makes Katia happy, and he treats
Daria well, then that's fine with me. (Not that she needs my approval,
or anyone else's.)
--Jen
MyBrian
>> >>With regards to a period of mourning, there is no federal or state
>> >>legislation that dictates that a survivor must grieve for a specified
>> >>period of time lest she/he suffer the idle speculations of unhappy,
>> >>widow
>> >>should fall in love again and live happily everafter.would
I am just reading Katia's book "My Sergi" and she states in
it that according to her religion the official period of mourning is one year.
I believe Sergi had been dead almost 2 years. She stated that , it is believed
that when the mourning period id over the
spirit of the person is set free to go on to heaven or the alternative.
Katia has done her mourning. She's young and beautiful and has
been left to raise a little girl. If love and happiness come her way
it;s wonderful.
You can't expect her to be alone for the rest of her life.
I'm happy for her.
Barb.
Virginia Blalock
On 29 Sep 1997 01:39:07 GMT, bh8...@aol.com (BH8833) wrote:
>Haven't heard a thing. I personally think it's too song for Katia to be
>thinking about this, but it's her life and if she wants her privacy, let
>her have it. Of course, the ballet guy just blew it for her by
>blabbing...........
You think it's soon for Katia to date again? Heck, it has been almost
2 years. She can't be the grieving widow forever..
Jill Cozzi
Javed wrote:
> Of course the rumor of a romance does not necessarily mean there is
> going to be a marriage. And, whoever it was that said it was too soon,
>
> let's not forget that it's almost two years since Sergei died. It may
> be romantic for some fans to think of Katia forever as "The Grieving
> Young Widow," but it is for her to decide when that term is no longer
> applicable.
> Javed
Amen. I'd hate for her to have to do a "Yoko Ono" forever, trying to
keep her romantic life a secret because she has to "carry the torch" in
public.
Sheesh. She's not even thirty. We don't have suttee in the U.S. (or in
Russia, for that matter). That's the custom of a widow throwing herself
on her dead husband's funeral pyre.
Sergei's been dead almost two years, as you've said. There's no reason
in the world why she shouldn't be open to meeting someone else. SHE
isn't dead.
Tensglide
There are many rumors circulating...that is for sure!
I am happy for her, only I cannot help but wonder that she mentioned so many
good things about Sergei in her book, then how could she be in love with
someone else so soon? I have known people who have lost someone and can never
find it in their hearts to ever love again. From what we know, Sergei was the
love of her life and it just seems a bit premature to be dating (the rumors
say she has been dating for months now) and even talking marriage. I just
think her life with Sergei meant so very much
Revjoelle
>There are many rumors circulating...that is for sure! I am happy >for her,
only I cannot help but wonder that she mentioned so >many good things about
Sergei in her book, then how could she >be in love with someone else so soon?
I have known people >who have lost someone and can never find it in their
>life and it just seems a bit premature to be dating (the rumors
> say she has been dating for months now) and even talking marriage. I just
think her life with Sergei meant so very much
In the first place, it is none of our damned business...but really --being in
love once does not keep you from falling in love again. Katia is a young
woman. She deserves to find love and companionship and romance and
intimacy again.
Joelle
"My goal is to defeat this thing on every front. I got it out of my body. And
now I've got to get back to where I was. When I do that, I win."
- Scott Hamilton, People Magazine
Scott Hamilton Web Page: http://members.aol.com/Revjoelle/index.html
Trudi Marrapodi
In article <19971001214...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
tens...@aol.com (Tensglide) wrote:
> There are many rumors circulating...that is for sure!
> I am happy for her, only I cannot help but wonder that she mentioned so many
> good things about Sergei in her book, then how could she be in love with
> someone else so soon?
"So soon"? Two years is "so soon"? I can think of at least two men I know
of who lost their wives within the past year who are remarrying this year.
I am sure that they are fully capable of being in love again, if for no
other reason than they have been in love before. The heart loves deeply,
but when it is truly capable of love it can be a resilient thing.
Sometimes the very idea of people being able to bounce back like this is a
bit of a shock to those of us not involved. But I like to think that it
happens because the heart is a sturdy muscle--maybe sturdier than we
realize before it is tested.
> I have known people who have lost someone and can never
> find it in their hearts to ever love again.
I don't mean to be rude, but who are these people? Teenage girls who flop
down on their beds in a sea of tears after they break up with their first
boyfriend, wailing "I'll NEVER EVER fall in love AGAIN!"? For most people,
life isn't like that. And to be truthful, it isn't even like that for most
teenagers very long (it just seems so at the time).
This is not to at all discount the feelings of being in love. It's just
that if you're capable of love, and you're not dead yet, you will probably
someday be capable of experiencing it again. If you're not, it's like
letting a big chunk of yourself die along with someone else.
> From what we know, Sergei was the
> love of her life
And all "we know" was the life she lived up to 1995. It was wonderful, I
don't doubt, but that was then and this is now. Either Katia goes on with
her life and loves someone else if she wants to, or she voluntarily
condemns herself to possibly 50-plus years of the rest of her life alone.
Is that what you would have her do? Do you think there is necessarily only
"one great love" in everyone's life? Because let me tell you, it's awfully
hard to live day in and day out with romantic notions like that.
> and it just seems a bit premature to be dating (the rumors
> say she has been dating for months now)
First, they are rumors. Second, if they are true, it may appear
"premature" to you, but it's her life, isn't it?
Just how long would YOU have her wait to deserve happiness? And isn't it
sad that if the rumors are true, she should feel she has to keep it a
secret because of people like you who would disapprove of how she lives
her life?
> and even talking marriage. I just
> think her life with Sergei meant so very much
Of course it did. You think that her falling in love with someone else
would mean "it didn't mean so very much"? Get your head out of the
Harlequin romance books. Just as a mother is capable of expanding her love
to each new child to which she gives birth, human beings are capable of
giving love to each person they love in their lives. Anyone who doesn't
realize it doesn't know a lot about life.
HFGuttery
In article <19971001214...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
tens...@aol.com (Tensglide) writes:
>There are many rumors circulating...that is for sure!
>I am happy for her, only I cannot help but wonder that she mentioned so many
> good things about Sergei in her book, then how could she be in love with
> someone else so soon? I have known people who have lost someone and can
>never
> find it in their hearts to ever love again. From what we know, Sergei was
>the
> love of her life and it just seems a bit premature to be dating (the rumors
> say she has been dating for months now) and even talking marriage. I just
> think her life with Sergei meant so very much
>
>
Assuming marriage vows are at all similar in Russia to the typical set
of vows used in the western world, aren't you forgetting that till death do
us part thing. I'm hardly saying one should start dating as soon as the
body is cold (sorry to be so crude about it), but Sergei has been gone
almost two years. That's a lone time to be lonely for such a young woman.
I know if I died I would certainly want my husband, who is not much older
than Katia, to go on with his life. Both for his sake, and our child's sake.
Heather
hudson
This newsgroup is a pathological curiosity. Some subscribers have
remarkable perception: not only can they judge the technical and artistic
merits of a skating performance, but they can also judge the merits of a
personal life kept private from public scrutiny.
It is only a matter of time before someone posts the following theories:
1. Ekaterina Gordeeva met Igor Zelensky.
2. Ekaterina Gordeeva met Igor Zelnsky after Sergei Grinkov passed away.
3. Ekaterina Gordeeva met Igor Zelnsky before Sergei Grinkov passed away.
4. Ekaterina Gordeeva and Igor Zelnsky became friends after Sergei
Grinkov passed away.
5. Ekaterina Gordeeva and Igor Zelnsky became friends before Sergei
Grinkov passed away.
6. Ekaterina Gordeeva and Igor Zelnsky had a personal relationship after
Sergei Grinkov passed away.
7. Ekaterina Gordeeva and Igor Zelnsky had a personal relationship before
Sergei Grinkov passed away.
8. Ekaterina Gordeeva keeps her personal life private.
9. Ekaterina Gordeeva keeps her personal life private because she wants
to cash in on public sympathy for the perceived "weeping widow" image.
10. Ekaterina Gordeeva keeps her personal life private because the movie
producers want to protect the commercial value of the Gordeeva-Grinkov
movie.
11. Ekaterina Gordeeva is a good person.
12. Igor Zelenksy is a good person.
13. Igor Zelensky is not as good a person as Sergei Grinkov.
14. Igor Zelensky is a better person than Sergei Grinkov.
15. Ekaterina Gordeeva grieves.
16. Ekaterina Gordeeva has grieved.
17. Ekaterina Gordeeva has not grieved enough.
18. Ekaterina Gordeeva has never grieved.
19. Sergei Grinkov is not dead.
20. Ekaterina Gordeeva and Sergei Grinkov had sex.
21. Ekaterina Gordeeva can never have sex again.
22. Ekaterina Gordeeva never had sex.
23. Ekaterina Gordeeva and Igor Zelensky can never have sex.
24. Ekaterina Gordeeva and Igor Zelensky had sex.
25. Ekaterina Gordeeva is a saint.
26. Ekaterina Gordeeva is a human being.
27. 25. Ekaterina Gordeeva is a working mother.
28. Ekaterina Gordeeva is a hussy.
In my humble opinion, the artistry of Ekaterina Gordeeva's skating is
unique because her graceful arm movement develops very slowly relative to
the speed of her effortless skating. That's what I perceive from her
performances. Am I missing something?
Is reality the perception, or is the perception the reality?
Andrea Beard
> I have known people who have lost someone and can never
> find it in their hearts to ever love again.
>>I don't mean to be rude, but who are these people? Teenage girls who
flop
down on their beds in a sea of tears after they break up with their first
boyfriend, wailing "I'll NEVER EVER fall in love AGAIN!"? For most people,
life isn't like that. And to be truthful, it isn't even like that for most
teenagers very long (it just seems so at the time).>>
I don't mean to say that this is the usual case, but my mother was widowed
very suddenly at 41, and is now 68. She still wears her wedding ring,
though she does not "pine" for my father and hasn't for many years. She
just said she still feels married and never met anyone who put the
thought of love into her head. I know Katia is *not* 41, but this is at
least one example of someone who lost love and never found it again. It
*can* happen to normal, healthy people.
Andi
Andrea Beard
On 1 Oct 1997, Tensglide wrote:
> There are many rumors circulating...that is for sure!
> I am happy for her, only I cannot help but wonder that she mentioned so many
> good things about Sergei in her book, then how could she be in love with
> someone else so soon? I have known people who have lost someone and can never
> find it in their hearts to ever love again. From what we know, Sergei was the
> love of her life and it just seems a bit premature to be dating (the rumors
> say she has been dating for months now) and even talking marriage. I just
> think her life with Sergei meant so very much
I know what you mean...this was my reaction, too. And, to me, two years
doesn't seem very much time.
But consider this. If you've just lost the love of your life, perhaps two
years without him is a very long time, indeed.
Just a thought
Andi
Caln98
I think they both get muddled, and people fall in love with images, not
people.<<<
Trudi...loved your post!
Tensglide
I would just like to say sorry if anyone became so offended by my liitle
opinion. Believe me, there is nothing in the world I want more than to have
Ekaterina happy. She is and will always be one of my favorite skaters on and
off the ice. She is a great person who does deserve happiness and Daria does
deserve a father figure. They both deserve normalcy in their life. That is
my wish for them. I don't know, I guess I Sergei was such a part of life that
it is hard to realize he is gone. But just like I am happy that Ekaterina has
returned to the ice, so too am I happy that she has found love (if the rumors
are true)!
ok...truce? :)
Tensglide
Jeff Goldsmith
MyBrian wrote:
> Katia has done her mourning. She's young and beautiful and has
> been left to raise a little girl. If love and happiness come her way
> it;s wonderful.
> You can't expect her to be alone for the rest of her life.
> I'm happy for her.
>
> Barb.
I'm happier for him :)
--Jeff
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# the masses." ...what do you suppose that means?
# Television: ...it means Karl Marx hadn't seen anything yet.
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Trudi Marrapodi
In article <hudsonw-0210...@van-as-02a14.direct.ca>,
hud...@direct.ca (hudson) wrote:
> This newsgroup is a pathological curiosity. Some subscribers have
> remarkable perception: not only can they judge the technical and artistic
> merits of a skating performance, but they can also judge the merits of a
> personal life kept private from public scrutiny.
>
> It is only a matter of time before someone posts the following theories:
OK, let me start.
> 1. Ekaterina Gordeeva met Igor Zelensky.
Possibly.
> 2. Ekaterina Gordeeva met Igor Zelnsky after Sergei Grinkov passed away.
Possibly.
> 3. Ekaterina Gordeeva met Igor Zelnsky before Sergei Grinkov passed away.
Who knows?
> 4. Ekaterina Gordeeva and Igor Zelnsky became friends after Sergei
> Grinkov passed away.
Possibly.
> 5. Ekaterina Gordeeva and Igor Zelnsky became friends before Sergei
> Grinkov passed away.
Who knows?
> 6. Ekaterina Gordeeva and Igor Zelnsky had a personal relationship after
> Sergei Grinkov passed away.
Possibly, but who knows?
> 7. Ekaterina Gordeeva and Igor Zelnsky had a personal relationship before
> Sergei Grinkov passed away.
Doubtful!
> 8. Ekaterina Gordeeva keeps her personal life private.
Looks like it.
> 9. Ekaterina Gordeeva keeps her personal life private because she wants
> to cash in on public sympathy for the perceived "weeping widow" image.
Who knows?
> 10. Ekaterina Gordeeva keeps her personal life private because the movie
> producers want to protect the commercial value of the Gordeeva-Grinkov
> movie.
Then again, maybe it's just because she likes it that way--private!
> 11. Ekaterina Gordeeva is a good person.
Well, if we're going to theorize, let's do it positively.
> 12. Igor Zelenksy is a good person.
Ditto.
> 13. Igor Zelensky is not as good a person as Sergei Grinkov.
Oh, please.
> 14. Igor Zelensky is a better person than Sergei Grinkov.
Unimportant.
> 15. Ekaterina Gordeeva grieves.
I'll take it on faith.
> 16. Ekaterina Gordeeva has grieved.
Ditto.
> 17. Ekaterina Gordeeva has not grieved enough.
That's an opinion best kept to oneself if one has it.
> 18. Ekaterina Gordeeva has never grieved.
Ditto.
> 19. Sergei Grinkov is not dead.
Right, I saw him yesterday with Elvis (not Stojko) at Burger King.
> 20. Ekaterina Gordeeva and Sergei Grinkov had sex.
Well, unless there was a star in the East when Daria was born, I think so.
> 21. Ekaterina Gordeeva can never have sex again.
Let's hope that's not the case for her sake.
> 22. Ekaterina Gordeeva never had sex.
Like I said, unless there was a star in the East...
> 23. Ekaterina Gordeeva and Igor Zelensky can never have sex.
Well, unless they want to...
> 24. Ekaterina Gordeeva and Igor Zelensky had sex.
Certainly not a topic of debate here.
> 25. Ekaterina Gordeeva is a saint.
Oh, please.
> 26. Ekaterina Gordeeva is a human being.
I'll take that on faith.
> 27. 25. Ekaterina Gordeeva is a working mother.
Unless someone else is skating for her, or she didn't really give birth to
Daria...
> 28. Ekaterina Gordeeva is a hussy.
Once again, not a topic of debate here.
> In my humble opinion, the artistry of Ekaterina Gordeeva's skating is
> unique because her graceful arm movement develops very slowly relative to
> the speed of her effortless skating. That's what I perceive from her
> performances. Am I missing something?
Nope. I see it too. Very nice.
> Is reality the perception, or is the perception the reality?
I think they both get muddled, and people fall in love with images, not people.
--
Caln98
I think that even though someone has been deeply in love and that love is lost
for whatever reason that they can love again. It is like having more than one
child and loving them just as much only in a different way and for different
things. Just because you love someone again does not diminish the love you
have for someone else. And, people have to move on in life...especially when
they are young and there is a child involved.
Pamela-Marie
www...@forgetaboutit.net (Trudi Marrapodi) wrote:
>In article <19971001214...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
>
>> There are many rumors circulating...that is for sure!
>> I am happy for her, only I cannot help but wonder that she mentioned so many
>> good things about Sergei in her book, then how could she be in love with
>> someone else so soon?
>
I have a very close friend who lost her husband almost three years ago,
and she's been taking her new relationship really slow and carefully, I
think it's the way Igor sounded obsessed and really urgent that adds a
quickness to it. If Katia and he are dating, they may be taking it slower
than Igor implied, I think that will help the shock.
>> I have known people who have lost someone and can never
>> find it in their hearts to ever love again.
>
>I don't mean to be rude, but who are these people?
Well, I know what she means. When you have a really strong feeling about
someone, it is hard for some to start over. Of course, you don't realize
you can start over until you find someone, most of these people probably
haven't met that person yet.
I went through the same thing. And I still feel very weird about moving
on, I think about my former love nearly day, but I learned you can move
on. As for Katia, I worry about her, this has to have ben hard on her, and
I did expect her to either wait longer or wait little time (in other
words, to grieve longer than others due to her tragic loss, or rebound
because of Daria and a need to cover the pain). Nonetheless, if she really
has found the strength to move on, then more power to her.
>Teenage girls who flop
>down on their beds in a sea of tears after they break up with their first
>boyfriend, wailing "I'll NEVER EVER fall in love AGAIN!"?
Actually Trudi, most girls that do that, have another date within weeks ;)
>This is not to at all discount the feelings of being in love. It's just
>that if you're capable of love, and you're not dead yet, you will probably
>someday be capable of experiencing it again. If you're not, it's like
>letting a big chunk of yourself die along with someone else.
So many people do that. More than you probably know, Trudi, but I agree
that it isn't healthy, but it is hard whether you are in or out of this
situation, to deal with.
>> and it just seems a bit premature to be dating (the rumors
>> say she has been dating for months now)
>
>First, they are rumors. Second, if they are true, it may appear
>"premature" to you, but it's her life, isn't it?
Very good point Trudi.
>> and even talking marriage. I just
>> think her life with Sergei meant so very much
>
>Of course it did. You think that her falling in love with someone else
>would mean "it didn't mean so very much"? Get your head out of the
>Harlequin romance books.
Harlequin isn't as deep, believe me, I tutor teenagers:) She sounds like a
soap watcher :) All that true love talk tipped me off :)
>Just as a mother is capable of expanding her love
>to each new child to which she gives birth, human beings are capable of
>giving love to each person they love in their lives. Anyone who doesn't
>realize it doesn't know a lot about life.
Excellent example. But no one in love thinks they can love anyone else
because they don't have to. She'll understand when it happens to her.
Pamela-Marie
Tensglide
Hi! Sheesh......if I knew the responses would be so hostile and critical.I
never would have bothered to express my freedom of speech. Believe me, I
totally understand about finding love after a death. It is the best thing. I
guess I was just sentimental. But it is over, ok? Let us all call it a day
and just respect other's opinions. I was never harsh or crtical towards
other's opinions, because I feel we get more accomplished that way. I never
made fun of others and would like to get along with everyone, ok?
Thanks! :)
Tensglide
deve...@1starnet.com
Wow, there is a great amount of discussion about what seems to be a great
amount of speculation. Someone else wrote that the interview did not
mention the skaters name. So how do we know it is Katia G? And just
because one person is in love and ready to get married doesn't mean the
other partner in the relationship is. I would say that comments on
whether or not she is ready after the death of her husband to enter into
another serious relationship should be saved (if you really must talk
about it and might burst if you don't) until she announces her love and
decision to get married to another man. And if she does in the future
should we not say kudos for her. Some of us our older than her and still
have not found a man that we wish to marry, to find 2, well that is
great!!!!!!!!!
Dawn
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Jennifer Lyon
I think a lot of people are getting too upset over rumors that are (as
far as I know) unconfirmed. I've been online for four years and I've
heard about hundreds of romances between skaters & skaters, skaters & non-
skaters, and non-skaters & non-skaters. (Hey, this isn't the only
newsgroup I read!) I would estimate that out of every ten rumors, eight
are total bullcrap, one is half-true, and one is "factual." (And even
then, there are usually some details that get switched around or omitted.
) In the case of Katia, I remember not too long ago, a lot of people
were arguing over some rumor about her and Scott Hamilton-- a rumor that
turned out to be false. This one might be false as well. I say wait and
see before you get upset.
Jill Cozzi
Colleen Condron wrote:
> Sometimes I get the feeling that Katia's fans somehow NEED for her to
> remain the strong, slightly pitiful widow of the smiliing Sergei. It
> allows people to get all caught up in the romance of it. Pish tosh, I
> say. She's young, she's beautiful, and it's terribly sad what
> happened....but she has to live, and if falling in love again is part
> of that, so be it. I think it's kind of odd that so many fans, total
> strangers, mind you, are sitting around like little old ladies,
> clucking their tongues at the thought Katia might not be living the
> life of a cloistered nun.
>
Amen. This is nuts. This is a young girl widowed for almost two
years. Even if she was your DAUGHTER, it's TIME for her to start living
again. Sergei is DEAD. That's a fact. As I've posted elsewhere,
what's she supposed to do, throw herself into the grave with him? One
great love does not preclude another. In fact, some of the people (like
my grandmother) who weep and wail the longest over a dead spouse had the
WORST marriages. It's when you have a GOOD marriage that you want it
again.
Like Yoko Ono. Now, she wasn't anywhere near as beloved as Katia, but
she too was supposed to carry the torch forever. But she was smart, and
kept her gentleman friend out of the spotlight so she could have her
cake and eat it too. But what a pity that she's had to do this.
And let's not forget that what a skater whose work we like does with her
private life is NONE OF OUR DAMN BUSINESS.
In short, I agree with what you said.
Trudi Marrapodi
In article <Pine.OSF.3.93.97100...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>,
Andrea Beard <ab23...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> wrote:
> > I have known people who have lost someone and can never
> > find it in their hearts to ever love again.
>
> >>I don't mean to be rude, but who are these people? Teenage girls who
> flop
> down on their beds in a sea of tears after they break up with their first
> boyfriend, wailing "I'll NEVER EVER fall in love AGAIN!"? For most people,
> life isn't like that. And to be truthful, it isn't even like that for most
> teenagers very long (it just seems so at the time).>>
>
> I don't mean to say that this is the usual case, but my mother was widowed
> very suddenly at 41, and is now 68. She still wears her wedding ring,
> though she does not "pine" for my father and hasn't for many years. She
> just said she still feels married and never met anyone who put the
> thought of love into her head.
Heck, my mother still feels married in some ways to my father, and they
were divorced years ago...and she wouldn't want to be married to him
again. And she never remarried either, but that was as much because she
enjoys her freedom as because she feels as if she should have been married
only once.
> I know Katia is *not* 41, but this is at
> least one example of someone who lost love and never found it again. It
> *can* happen to normal, healthy people.
>
> Andi
Well, they may be normal, but it's not healthy unless it's a choice they
have deliberately made because they prefer it to the alternatives. And
it's got to be their choice--that's the important thing. Your mother chose
what was right for her. Katia has to choose what's right for her. And her
private life really shouldn't be fodder for all this debate because it
shouldn't bear such influence on her skating.
Kathleen Bratton
Jill Cozzi (jco...@sbsusa.com) wrote:
> Amen. This is nuts. This is a young girl widowed for almost two
> years. Even if she was your DAUGHTER, it's TIME for her to start living
> again. Sergei is DEAD. That's a fact. As I've posted elsewhere,
> what's she supposed to do, throw herself into the grave with him? One
> great love does not preclude another.
Nor does it preclude some fun, some dating, some getting out and *living*.
Whenever Katia's ready to do this, more powr to her (and this is the
general sentiment on the ng).
Katia has always reminded me a bit of Jacqueline Kennedy pre-Onassis this
way. As if she's supposd to freeze in young, mourning widowhood.
Though I *do* think some people are just genuinely wishing aloud that she
isn't going too fast. But even if she is -- so what? Life is about
making mistakes and learning from them, as well as about finding true
love. Whatever she's ready for...
> And let's not forget that what a skater whose work we like does with her
> private life is NONE OF OUR DAMN BUSINESS.
To be fair, it's difficult for people not to be emotionally invested in
Katia's personal life, particularly after the book. I think it might be
unfair to ask people not to care....on the other hand, in a case like
this, best wishes and trust in Katia might be all that's called for. It
*is* unfair, I think, for the public to demand standards of behavior from
public figures that are just, well, not really necessarily healthy and in
the best interest of the public figure in question.
It might also be wise to take all unconfirmed rumors with a big old grain
of salt.
-- Kate
gnus...@sisna.com
This discussion has lost its relevancy on the skating NG.
About the only reason I can think of why people are grousing about
Ekatarina G's love life is that if she does find another love, that this
will somehow diminish the magic she made with Sergei. Nothing could be
further from the truth. So many seemed surprised and moved when she came
out as a singles skater, but it seemed to me that nobody really cut her
much slack, that everything she did had to be compared to her life as a
pairs skater, and of course she was the poor widow (and if you think about
it, really the only recent Russian skating couple cashing in on the
skating money train to stay married, i.e. Usova & Zhulin, Bechke &
Petrov). Well, yeah, Sergei is dead, and I'm sure he was a great guy, and
the charming love life of fantasy happened, and it ended tragically, but I
FEEL that much more may have been made of this fairy tale romance than
maybe really was there, and yet so many lived this ideal vicariously. The
woman is what, 26 years old or so? I say you go girl! and get everything
your life has offered you, including romance, 'cause things aren't that
great back at the 'Rodina'. I'm sure Sergei would want nothing less.
Gnu
p.s. is this Igor Z. a skater? (don't recognize the name) it could be
worse, she could go for some brash egomaniacal movie star, or her agent
(woops, sorry Roz), or a poor TV techie type and single jumper like
me.......<sigh>
Pamela-Marie
Jennifer,
Thank you for being a voice of reason throughout the panic.
Pamela-Marie
Trudi Marrapodi
In article <19971003032...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
tens...@aol.com (Tensglide) wrote:
> Hi! Sheesh......if I knew the responses would be so hostile and critical.I
> never would have bothered to express my freedom of speech.
Uh, Tensglide, you and I just had a little e-mail chat (if you haven't
found it in your box yet, you will). I hope you enjoy my reply, which is
pretty friendly if you go in and read it.
No one is criticizing your freedom of speech. However, in this NG we do
try to stay away from telling skaters what they should and shouldn't do
with their personal lives.
> Believe me, I
> totally understand about finding love after a death. It is the best thing. I
> guess I was just sentimental. But it is over, ok? Let us all call it a day
> and just respect other's opinions.
Hey, we respect opinions, I think. However, when it comes to telling other
people how to live their personal lives, we draw the line. That's a no-no.
> I was never harsh or crtical towards
> other's opinions, because I feel we get more accomplished that way. I never
> made fun of others and would like to get along with everyone, ok?
> Thanks! :)
> Tensglide
No one's trying to make fun of you. Some of us come off as a bit
sarcastic, but we mean well. Just trying to get a point across...
Amy Gillis
Gerald Olchowy (golc...@nortel.ca) wrote:
> I could see where people might be concerned if it were an ogre (like
> me or something), but this Igor seems like a perfectly respectable
> fellow.
Well, normally I don't post just to give my visceral reaction to something
-- but Gerald, I have to say (publicly) that this is one of the funniest
things I've ever read on this ng. The very thought of the apoplectic
posts after the rumor had been posted that Gerald Olchowy was dating Katia
Gordeeva . . . I am just ROTFLOL.
-- Kate
Tracy Johnson
On 2 Oct 1997 04:00:18 GMT, www...@forgetaboutit.net (Trudi
Marrapodi) wrote:
>In article <19971001214...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
>tens...@aol.com (Tensglide) wrote:
>
>> I cannot help but wonder that she mentioned so many
>> good things about Sergei in her book, then how could she be in love with
>> someone else so soon?
>
>"So soon"? Two years is "so soon"? I can think of at least two men I know
>of who lost their wives within the past year who are remarrying this year.
>I am sure that they are fully capable of being in love again, if for no
>other reason than they have been in love before.
Statistically, men do remarry faster and more often than women, by
quite a wide margin. I'm not sure using men as an example is
appropriate, given this fact.
>The heart loves deeply,
>but when it is truly capable of love it can be a resilient thing.
>
>This is not to at all discount the feelings of being in love. It's just
>that if you're capable of love, and you're not dead yet, you will probably
>someday be capable of experiencing it again. If you're not, it's like
>letting a big chunk of yourself die along with someone else.
>
>Do you think there is necessarily only
>"one great love" in everyone's life? Because let me tell you, it's awfully
>hard to live day in and day out with romantic notions like that.
>
>Just as a mother is capable of expanding her love
>to each new child to which she gives birth, human beings are capable of
>giving love to each person they love in their lives. Anyone who doesn't
>realize it doesn't know a lot about life.
It is true that the human heart is more than capable of loving more
than one person in life; it is true that the heart is stronger and
more resilient than most believe until it's tested; and it's true that
there can be more than one great love in a person's life. (And I hope
that is the case for Katia.)
But you are discounting the feelings of everyone who has lost a "great
love" and *isn't* prepared to move on. You seem to be implying that
their unwillingness to find love again is indicative of some basic
inability to love fully in the first place. And that simply isn't
true.
The point here is that grief and loss are *highly* individual
processes, and what is true for one person is more than likely *not*
true for the next. So whatever Katia does in her life in this regard
cannot and should not be second-guessed by anyone else.
Tracy
Sandra Loosemore
revj...@aol.com (Revjoelle) writes:
> And for the record, I do not think much of people who claim to be friends with
> someone and then spreads gossip about them on the internet.
I'm on Joelle's side, here.
I stand by my original opinion that if Katia wanted the public to know
about her personal life, she would have talked to the press about it
by now. Since she hasn't, either there is nothing worth talking about
going on, or she wants to keep her private life private. In the first
case, it seems silly for us to speculate about it, and in the second,
disrespectful.
I've spent a fair amount of time hanging out at Simsbury and other
rinks and I do sometimes see and hear things about skaters' personal
lives. In this particular instance, I'm not privy to any juicy
secrets about Katia anyway, but even if I *did* know something, I
would consider it unspeakably disrespectful of her privacy, and an
abuse of the privileges I have had in visiting the rink, to publish
the news on the net without her explicit confirmation and consent.
-Sandra
aef
Unfortunately, I can't document which television interview it was but you
all might remember that just last year (around the time of her solo debut)
Katia herself said that she hoped to find love again. She has never
indicated anywhere, as far as I can tell, that she intends or intended to
play the grieving widow forever. I think she has shown an extremely mature
outlook for a young women who lost her husband so suddenly.
Anne
Finch Family
[post assuring us what has been reported about Gordeeva and Zelensky are
100% true has been deleted]
Please keep in mind this is not a personal attack on the poster, but
comments in general:
*Anyone* can get online and make up a whole persona about themselves;
including being close personal friends of Skater A, or privy to the
secrets of the lover of Skater B, etc. Anyone can have a friend of a
friend of a friend in high places. It may be true, but then again, it
may be made up-who knows? Until the interested parties themselves decide
to go public, anything else is rumor, innuendo, and gossip.
Pat-who hasn't been perfect when it comes to gossip, either, but tries
very hard to avoid it and is ashamed when she engages in it. . .
Kathleen Bratton
I don't think anyone isn't. *My* posts were merely intended to point out
that it seemed that some people were characterized as gossiping, when in
fact they'd posted *no* speculation about a skater's personal
life....they'd only discussed *their* *own* views on gossip. And,
disagree though I might with those views, it's not the same thing as
commiting the deed itself.
Perhaps we would all do better if we could just recognize that there *is*
a consensus against the sort of but-my-best-friends-told-me-
that-skater-a-does-this. *Clearly* that's inappropriate. It's
inappropriate whether the skater is a public figure or not. It's just
impolite.
No one is taking sides here about that question. *Everyone* agrees that
the original post, the one who asked for me information, and now this one
is out of bounds.
Am I the only one who recognizes this pretty clear cut line? It's
weird....we're all having this argument, we're talking about taking sides,
when we all AGREE that this person is out of bounds. Who ISN'T on
Joelle's side in this case? Please, show me more than two outliers!!!!
Show me TWO persons who is going to come by and defend Ms. "My-friends-in
the-ballet-world-told-me". (I say two because there's always an outlier
in every lovely crowd!)
Maybe on the net it's just the natural tendency to frame things in terms
of battle. I know I fall victim to it sometimes. Sigh.
> I stand by my original opinion that if Katia wanted the public to know
> about her personal life, she would have talked to the press about it
> by now. Since she hasn't, either there is nothing worth talking about
> going on, or she wants to keep her private life private. In the first
> case, it seems silly for us to speculate about it, and in the second,
> disrespectful.
I don't think you're alone in that. Hence the 30-40 posts immediately
following the posting of the initial gossip (some of those were actually
not in response to gossip, but were in response to the also posted opinion
about the gossip....but the general idea holds).
> I've spent a fair amount of time hanging out at Simsbury and other
> rinks and I do sometimes see and hear things about skaters' personal
> lives. In this particular instance, I'm not privy to any juicy
> secrets about Katia anyway, but even if I *did* know something, I
> would consider it unspeakably disrespectful of her privacy, and an
> abuse of the privileges I have had in visiting the rink, to publish
> the news on the net without her explicit confirmation and consent.
I don't think you're unique in that respect, either. Thankfully. I know
*I've* never asked for information and I've rarely posted opinions on such
information. I've never seen, in fact, a long-term poster do it on this
ng.
Posting my opinion on gossiping, or posting an opinion on whether other
people are within the definition of gossiping doesn't qualify as
gossiping.
-- Kate
Revjoelle
>> I'm on Joelle's side, here.
>
>I don't think anyone isn't.
Um not that I'm choosing up sides...but I was roundly criticized by some for
daring to suggest that a) gossip is inappropriate here
b) it is not true that because Katia wrote a book about her life that she
necesarily gave up her right to c) my opinion that the attitude that
celebreties have no right to complain about invasions into their personal
lives is a mean and hostile one.
What I think happened here was that some people got confused about the
difference between someone criticizing their ideas and opinions and personal
attack.
Joelle
"My goal is to defeat this thing on every front. I got it out of my body. And
now I've got to get back to where I was. When I do that, I win."
- Scott Hamilton, People Magazine
Scott Hamilton Web Page: http://members.aol.com/Revjoelle/index.html
Kathleen Bratton
> Jennifer Lyon wrote:
> > This one might be false as well. I say wait and
> > see before you get upset.
szoradi (szo...@erols.com) wrote:
> Let's not kid ourselves, folks. This one is 100 percent true. I have
> spent years following the Kirov Ballet and have many friends among the
> dancers and administrators of that company. At least as of last July
> 1997, Igor and Katia were a true-blue, honest-to-goodness "item" which
> anybody working in the Kirov/Mariinsky Ballet organization can
> acknowledge as being true. (They also acknowledge the pain that his
> former long-time sweetheart--Kirov ballerina Zhanna Ayupova--suffered
> when he turned his attentions to Katia.) I am extremely happy for Katia
> & Igor and wish them the very best.
No....No....stop it! We were doing so good. Well, as someone who
applauded us for doing so good, I'm going to be one of the first to
complain at this piece of gossip.
Seriously: unless you can come up with a cite I can check (if I cared to,
which is seriously unlikely) other than your many friends, I think many of
us would prefer that you keep it off the ng. Indeed, this is in the FAQ
(I think?) I have no reason to believe you're not telling the truth; I'm
just saying I'm only interested in hearing publicly verified information.
And, actually, I'm only *interested* in hearing information that the
individuals in question *want* publicized (a slight but important
difference).
> By the way, if you are interested in more on Igor,
I would be interested in Igor not dropping any hints in the mass media, if
it's true that this girlfriend of his gets upset about it. :)
> check out the Kirov
> Ballet website, or purchase one of the many wonderful ballet videos
> which feature Igor, either with the Kirov (full-length "Swan Lake" with
> Yulia Makhalina or "Paquita," also with Yulia) or the New York City
> Ballet ("Theme & Variations" with Darcey Kister, one of the "Balanchine
> Library" video series).
The Kirov is breathtaking.
-- kate
Louis Epstein
szoradi (szo...@erols.com) wrote:
: Jennifer Lyon wrote:
:
: > This one might be false as well. I say wait and
: > see before you get upset.
: Let's not kid ourselves, folks. This one is 100 percent true. I have
: spent years following the Kirov Ballet and have many friends among the
: dancers and administrators of that company. At least as of last July
: 1997, Igor and Katia were a true-blue, honest-to-goodness "item" which
: anybody working in the Kirov/Mariinsky Ballet organization can
: acknowledge as being true. (They also acknowledge the pain that his
: former long-time sweetheart--Kirov ballerina Zhanna Ayupova--suffered
: when he turned his attentions to Katia.) I am extremely happy for Katia
: & Igor and wish them the very best.
: By the way, if you are interested in more on Igor, check out the Kirov
: Ballet website, or purchase one of the many wonderful ballet videos
: which feature Igor, either with the Kirov (full-length "Swan Lake" with
: Yulia Makhalina or "Paquita," also with Yulia) or the New York City
: Ballet ("Theme & Variations" with Darcey Kister, one of the "Balanchine
: dancers in the world today, acknowledged by critics and balletomanes
: alike. He is especially well known for his incredibly high jumps.
: Darcey Bussell, prima ballerina of the Royal Ballet/London, was rumored
: to have been trying hard to secure him as her permanent partner, since
: she is extremely tall for a ballerina & he is one of the tallest of male
: dancers around. I saw him partner her in "Romeo & Juliet" during the
: Covent Garden Opera House Closing Gala (also in July 97), which was on
: TV in Britain & may very well be shown in the US sometime soon. It was
: fabulous. - Jeannie
Is the St. Petersburg/Mariinsky Ballet ever going to manage to phase
out the "Kirov" name inflicted on them by the Communists in honor of
a Bolshevik?
I don't suppose we will ever see a Gordeyeva & Zelensky ICE performance,
does she do ballet?
Trudi Marrapodi
In case no one else has seen this, Katia is on the cover of the November
issue of the U.S. magazine Good Housekeeping, with Daria. (Funny thing
was, in the store, I recognized Daria before I recognized Katia or the
fact that they were both on skates.)
In the article inside, she implies there is someone in her life (doesn't
say who) but also implies she's not yet ready to get too serious about
anyone, because she still misses Sergei so much. Even though she would
like to have a father for Daria.
And that's all.
Trudi Marrapodi
In article <343a3c79...@news.bctel.ca>,
Tracy_...@bc.sympatico.ca (Tracy Johnson) wrote:
> On 2 Oct 1997 04:00:18 GMT, www...@forgetaboutit.net (Trudi
> Marrapodi) wrote:
>
> >In article <19971001214...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
> >tens...@aol.com (Tensglide) wrote:
> >
> >> I cannot help but wonder that she mentioned so many
> >> good things about Sergei in her book, then how could she be in love with
> >> someone else so soon?
> >
> >"So soon"? Two years is "so soon"? I can think of at least two men I know
> >of who lost their wives within the past year who are remarrying this year.
> >I am sure that they are fully capable of being in love again, if for no
> >other reason than they have been in love before.
>
> Statistically, men do remarry faster and more often than women, by
> quite a wide margin. I'm not sure using men as an example is
> appropriate, given this fact.
True, but there can be exceptions.
> >The heart loves deeply,
> >but when it is truly capable of love it can be a resilient thing.
> >
> >This is not to at all discount the feelings of being in love. It's just
> >that if you're capable of love, and you're not dead yet, you will probably
> >someday be capable of experiencing it again. If you're not, it's like
> >letting a big chunk of yourself die along with someone else.
> >
> >Do you think there is necessarily only
> >"one great love" in everyone's life? Because let me tell you, it's awfully
> >hard to live day in and day out with romantic notions like that.
> >
> >Just as a mother is capable of expanding her love
> >to each new child to which she gives birth, human beings are capable of
> >giving love to each person they love in their lives. Anyone who doesn't
> >realize it doesn't know a lot about life.
>
> It is true that the human heart is more than capable of loving more
> than one person in life; it is true that the heart is stronger and
> more resilient than most believe until it's tested; and it's true that
> there can be more than one great love in a person's life. (And I hope
> that is the case for Katia.)
>
> But you are discounting the feelings of everyone who has lost a "great
> love" and *isn't* prepared to move on. You seem to be implying that
> their unwillingness to find love again is indicative of some basic
> inability to love fully in the first place. And that simply isn't
> true.
Nope. I'm not. Why is it that people assume that when I argue A, I am
saying B is impossible? I'm not. I'm saying that the unwillingness of any
individual to find love again is not necessarily PROOF that their love is
stronger than that of someone who is willing and able to love again.
> The point here is that grief and loss are *highly* individual
> processes, and what is true for one person is more than likely *not*
> true for the next. So whatever Katia does in her life in this regard
> cannot and should not be second-guessed by anyone else.
That's right. So how come people continue to assume I'm saying things I'm
not? Sigh...
Caln98
Anne said, "Unfortunately, I can't document which television interview it was
but you all might remember that just last year (around the time of her solo
debut) Katia herself said that she hoped to find love again. She has never
indicated anywhere, as far as I can tell, that she intends or intended to play
the grieving widow forever. I think she has shown an extremely mature
outlook for a young women who lost her husband so suddenly.<<<
Yes, I saw that interview also. It was one of the evening news shows...either
PRIMETIME or 20/20. The guy asked her as one of the last questions, for those
who didn't see this show, and he did seem sort of nervous about asking, if she
could see herself falling in love again. She answered something to the effect
that she hoped that she would but then maybe she was wrong and the interviewer
said he didn't think she was wrong. Wish I still had the tape of that
interview.
CALN98
szoradi
Louis wrote:
> Is the St. Petersburg/Mariinsky Ballet ever going to manage to phase
> out the "Kirov" name inflicted on them by the Communists in honor of
> a Bolshevik?
>
Three or four years ago, when the "Kirov" Theater reverted to its
pre-communist name of "Mariinsky," administrators in the ballet & opera
troupes affiliated with that theater recognized that the names "Kirov
Ballet" or "Kirov Opera" are more recognizable than "Mariinsky Ballet"
or "Mariinsky Opera" in the West. Therefore, the opera & ballet troupes
revert to their "communist" names, for marketing purposes, when they
leave their home base in Russia to tour the West.
> I don't suppose we will ever see a Gordeyeva & Zelensky ICE performance,
> does she do ballet?
Sorry, I don't know! I'm can only imagine that she took some ballet
classes during her amateur days, as most ice skating athletes in the
former Soviet Union did so. It certainly shows in Katia's elegant
carriage & musicality. Remember Katia's gorgeous program to "Giselle"
during last year's competitive season? She directly incorporated some
of Perrot & Coralli's steps from Act I of the ballet "Giselle" into her
choreography (most notably, the hops-on-pointe...or should I say
hops-on-toe-picks....near the end of the routine). In turn, Nicole
Bobek's long program last year--also to "Giselle" music--did not
directly borrow from the known stage choreography, although it, too, was
a wonderful & effective program. - Jeannie
Caln98
Jeannie wrote "Sorry, I don't know! I'm can only imagine that she took some
former Soviet Union did so. " <<<<
Hi Jeannie...
Yes, I remember seeing several times during the competitions that the network
would show an up close and personal of Katya and Sergei taking ballet classes.
I think that a number of the skaters also would receive lessons from the
Bolshoi and also the ballet company in St. Petersburg. They might have taken
from them also.
Caln98
Louis Epstein
szoradi (szo...@erols.com) wrote:
: Louis wrote:
:
: > Is the St. Petersburg/Mariinsky Ballet ever going to manage to phase
: > out the "Kirov" name inflicted on them by the Communists in honor of
: > a Bolshevik?
:
: Three or four years ago, when the "Kirov" Theater reverted to its
: pre-communist name of "Mariinsky," administrators in the ballet & opera
: troupes affiliated with that theater recognized that the names "Kirov
: Ballet" or "Kirov Opera" are more recognizable than "Mariinsky Ballet"
: or "Mariinsky Opera" in the West. Therefore, the opera & ballet troupes
: revert to their "communist" names, for marketing purposes, when they
: leave their home base in Russia to tour the West.
I know that's the way things are,I'm asking if there's any hope of
changing it.
: > I don't suppose we will ever see a Gordeyeva & Zelensky ICE performance,
: > does she do ballet?
:
: Sorry, I don't know! I'm can only imagine that she took some ballet
: classes during her amateur days, as most ice skating athletes in the
: former Soviet Union did so. It certainly shows in Katia's elegant
: carriage & musicality. Remember Katia's gorgeous program to "Giselle"
: during last year's competitive season? She directly incorporated some
: of Perrot & Coralli's steps from Act I of the ballet "Giselle" into her
: choreography (most notably, the hops-on-pointe...or should I say
: hops-on-toe-picks....near the end of the routine). In turn, Nicole
: Bobek's long program last year--also to "Giselle" music--did not
: directly borrow from the known stage choreography, although it, too, was
: a wonderful & effective program. - Jeannie
Some have said that ballet is the most skating-like dancing...I don't
know if ice dancers would object.
Caln98
Date: Thu, Oct 2, 1997 11:25 EDT
Trudi wrote,"I think they both get muddled, and people fall in love with
images, not people.<<<
I wrote, "Trudi...loved your post!"
This was one of the first notes I wrote on this ng.
I believe that it is obvious as to who was showing respect and courtesy. There
is no point in my replying to any more of either yours or Joelle's notes. No
doubt you will find someone else to flame shortly.
CALN98
Monysmom
Trudi wrote:
>I am going to try to be calm about this, and ask you a question: Are you
>getting my posts out of order? Or late? Because honestly, I think I have
>presented some pretty reasonable ones here saying that I don't want to
>fight with you and let's just bury this hatchet, OK?
>
>I'm sorry that I forgot this very, very brief piece of praise you had for
>one post I made. But that kind of thing sometimes happens. Besides, I'm
>not the type of person who assumes someone agrees with me all the time and
>likes me just because he or she says he or she loved one of my posts.
>
>Reading this new fresh post, after I made attempts to bury the hatchet
>with you, made me angry all over again, CALN. I don't think it's fair for
>you, a newbie, to come here and accuse Joelle *or* me of going around
>looking for people to flame. Rather, it looks more as if you're looking
>for excuses to flame us.
>
>--
>Trudi
Trudi,
I think this was a post CALN98 made some time ago (10/2), because I remember
seeing it then during that thread. Maybe it got re-posted accidentally. - I
don't think anyone is tryinig to stir things up again. Didn't you two
resolve your differences off-line? :)
Monysmom
JennWa1234
Hi all...
I deleted the CALN98 ID because it just sort of felt very negative to me after
what happened here and I wanted to start over. You know how you can develop a
dislike for a name and I just did for that one. I told the other girls about
the ID change and have posted a few notes under my new ID not being able to
resist certain subjects while I transferred alot of info from the old ID to
this new one. Then I planned to let everyone know that I had switched it over
but I did want to let the girls know first. We have
solved our problems offline and I am very glad. They are quite nice and I am
sorry that the entire matter happened. As I told the girls, I am quite sure I
could have handled things in a much different way.
Jenn
Monysmom
>
>Hi all...
>
>I deleted the CALN98 ID because it just sort of felt very negative to me
>after
> what happened here and I wanted to start over.
Glad you're back, Jenn!
Monysmom
Trudi Marrapodi
Revjoelle
> I think this was a post CALN98 made some time ago (10/2), >because I remember
seeing it then during that thread. Maybe it >got re-posted accidentally
It is an old one...
Caln98 might not be coming back, though I did tell her this was a very
forgiving group and she could certainly start over...but that name is gone and
I'm not telling the new one in case she decides to start over....
Trudi Marrapodi
Just got a mail from the former CALN98. Yes, it is an old mesage; yes, we
have resolved everything; and yes, she is going to join us in the
newsgroup and we all hope happier times and fun will prevail. Just so's
you all know...
JennWa1234
>I deleted the CALN98 ID because it just sort of felt very negative to me after
what happened here and I wanted to start over.<<
Monysmom said, "Glad you're back, Jenn!"
Thank YOU so much for the sweet note and welcome back. That was very nice of
you to write that and I appreciate it VERY MUCH!!!!!!
Jenn
Amy Rork
Sally Vegso wrote in article ...
>Does anybody know the schedule for TV coverage of SkateAmerica? Could you
>post it here? I haven't been able to find anything on the USFSA or TV
>Guide websites. Thanks mucho.
>
>
>Sally
It will be a few weeks until ABC broadcasts their coverage of Skate America.
Coverage begins on Nov. 9. Check out: http://www.usfsa.org/news/newsq.htm
--Amy Rork
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JennWa1234
"What a nice surprise to see a post like this after some of the more negative
communiques we have seen so much of recently.
Welcome back, Jenn! :-)>>>
Thankyou for the very nice note, LuEllen. That was a very sweet thing to say
and I do appreciate it. It certainly is great to have this ng to discuss
skating. I don't have anyone here that can with me as I live in an area that
has no rinks as such or any events that come remotely close. It does seem
that there is some cage rattling going on but hopefully this will slow down
with the skating season starting.
JENN