Michael Weiss
KarieWCPA
Somebody please beg him to stop before he really causes damage and can't skate
at all. This concerns me, that perhaps the ISU is putting pressure on these
skaters for the GP when what they really should be pointing towards is
Nationals and World, especially this season, the last before SLC. I see the
same pattern with the ISU and Elvis, announcing he's dropped out of this one,
but will compete in another. Good for him for not skating until he feels ready.
Michael should do the same.
Trish
Until we hear from Michael, I'm not sure we should assume that the ISU is
pressuring him so much as he is pressuring himself. If this season follows
the current pattern, it would be the second lackluster (results-wise) GP
season for Weiss, and for someone who aspires to move up from the bronze
medal position at Worlds he can't really afford 6th place finishes.
I like Weiss' skating (it's his PR that makes me grit my teeth) but in a
season where he has to beat Goebel or Eldredge at Nationals in order to make
it to Worlds, I agree that he'd be better of skipping Lalique and focusing
on Nationals. He's not going to make it to the GP final anyway.
Trish
Ron Ng
>season where he has to beat Goebel or Eldredge at Nationals in order to make
>it to Worlds
Weiss is the current national champion. It's a season where Goebel or Eldredge
has to beat WEISS.
Ron Ng Knows!
Trish
So far, both Goebel and Eldredge have medaled in GP events. If Weiss skates
like he evidently did at CoR, he's not going to get held up.
>Ron Ng Knows! very little, and proves it every day.
Trish
Skatfan
>pressuring him so much as he is pressuring himself. If this season follows
>the current pattern, it would be the second lackluster (results-wise) GP
>season for Weiss, and for someone who aspires to move up from the bronze
>medal position at Worlds he can't really afford 6th place finishes.
>
>season where he has to beat Goebel or Eldredge at Nationals in order to make
>on Nationals. He's not going to make it to the GP final anyway.
My guess is that he's worried that Goebel is setting the world on fire, and if
he should make the GP final (pretty good chance of that now) and even medal,
then Michael would be the man out from this season since Todd has competed
reasonably well too.
I think it will be incredibly hard to pick the World's team if Michael does not
win, since Goebel has been competing darn well, and Todd is a known
international competitor too.
I hope Michael just gets better.
Renee
Frank Downey
Trish wrote in message <8v7jvg$ikp$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>...
> >So far, both Goebel and Eldredge have medaled in GP events. If Weiss
skates
>like he evidently did at CoR, he's not going to get held up.
True. But Goebel made the GP final last year, and Weiss did not,
but who won Nationals and medaled at Worlds?
I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the same thing happen again
this year, especially considering the circumstances are somewhat
similar (Weiss was working through an injury last fall, too.) Judging
from some comments I've seen from Weiss, two things about him
are evident. First, is that he skates better when his back is against
the wall and everyone is talking about his competitiors (he seems
to have some trouble self-motivating, and is better motivated by
outside forces.) Second is that he prefers to *compete*, and not
just train, himself through an injury. In other words, he'd
go to CoR even if he wasn't 100%, even if he knew he wasn't
going to be at his best, because he wants those competitive
run-throughs under his belt. He's said as much.
Lastly, while I agree that he won't be held up at Nationals
if he skates *this* badly, I firmly believe he *does* have
cushion. Leave Eldredge out of this for a minute--if the
choice for one of the Worlds berths comes down to Weiss
vs. Goebel, Goebel's not going to just have to beat him,
he's going to have to deliver a knockout punch.
Weiss is the two-time National champion. More importantly,
he is a two-time World bronze medalist, while Goebel is
a two-time Worlds flameout artist. Weiss is not slacking
off, he's working his way back from injury. CoR means
nothing in the grand scheme of things, and Weiss knows
that.
There are at least 3 guys fighting for 2 spots at worlds.
(Savoie might have just made it 4 guys <G>). Of course,
it *could* be 3 spots. The reason it is *not* 3 spots
is *Timothy Goebel*! Yeah, the judges at Nationals
won't take that into consideration if the second spot
comes down to Weiss and Goebel and they are
close..........yeah, *surrrrrre* they won't <G>
If that second spot comes down to Weiss or Goebel
and they are at *all* close, Weiss will get it, guaranteed,
put money on it. It will take a *complete*flameout* for
Weiss not to make the World team.
That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it <G>
Frank
PosterBoy
"KarieWCPA" <kari...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20001118131343...@ng-da1.aol.com...
> Is he nuts? Competing only six weeks after a stress fracture in his foot?
> Somebody please beg him to stop before he really causes damage and can't
skate
> at all. This concerns me, that perhaps the ISU is putting pressure on
these
> skaters for the GP when what they really should be pointing towards is
> Nationals and World, especially this season, the last before SLC. I see
the
> same pattern with the ISU and Elvis, announcing he's dropped out of this
one,
> but will compete in another. Good for him for not skating until he feels
ready.
> Michael should do the same.
Just postulating, mind you, but.........
It is possible that, unlike Elvis, Michael has that child to haul around
the ice with him...and the child must be growing, thus heavier, and combined
with MW's fairly recent injury the extra stress may be too much.
And Mikey may have to skate alone for a while! <g>
(Of course, that might have the additional benefitting of helping MW's
PR, as well.)
Cheers.
Alizea
>There are at least 3 guys fighting for 2 spots at worlds.
>(Savoie might have just made it 4 guys <G>). Of course,
>it *could* be 3 spots. The reason it is *not* 3 spots
>is *Timothy Goebel*! Yeah, the judges at Nationals
>won't take that into consideration if the second spot
>comes down to Weiss and Goebel and they are
>close..........yeah, *surrrrrre* they won't <G>
They won't. You have 30 seconds to enter your marks and things such as whether
a skater "cost" the US an extra spot at Worlds are not taken into
consideration. Meanwhile, you are assuming that the judge knows Tim's World
placements and has thought about how that placement effected the number of male
skaters we get to send to Worlds. I wouldn't assume any judge has made that
leap-- and I can assure you, it would have no effect whatsoever on his
placement.
Alizea
Ron Ng
>is *Timothy Goebel*!
And a few years ago it was DAN HOLLANDER and we all know what happened to him.
What a has been!
Ron Ng Knows!
TCAXEL
>It is possible that, unlike Elvis, Michael has that child to haul around
>the ice with him...and the child must be growing, thus heavier, and combined
>with MW's fairly recent injury the extra stress may be too much.
Keyboard!!!!!!!
You are a vile creature, Posterboy.:O)
Mikey needs to skate to put food on the table for his hungry children, stress
fracture be damned.
>And Mikey may have to skate alone for a while! <g>
*****************
My prediction is that Mickey will win a third World Bronze medal and will be
strong enough to skate with a child on EACH arm. :O)
THEO (who enjoys Manly Mikey's skating.... actually that doesn't sound bad as a
monicker, though I don't know if MM will like it)
cloc...@webtv.net
> skating.... actually that doesn't sound
> bad as a monicker, though I don't know
> if MM will like it)
I'm sure Team Weiss (especially Manly Papa Greg) would love that
monicker. Over the past several years, Team Weiss has zealously been
working to drive home the point that Mikey is Manly, even if sick babies
had to be damned....
Trudi Marrapodi
kari...@aol.com (KarieWCPA) wrote:
> Well, according to AOLNews, Michael heard my plea and is dropping from Trophee
> Lalique to concentrate on Nationals because his foot is not 100% yet. Smart
> move. He should--as should the rest of the skaters--work toward making the
> World team, especially in the run-up year to Salt Lake. These competitions are
> good experience, but they should not be the goal.
I think most people agree on that--that the point in the year has come
that if you're not winning the Grand Prix point game by now, there is not
much use playing it just for the experience if you have an injury to
recover from. It's more important to try to get healthy in time for the
rest of the season.
> As for the ISU not
> 'pressuring' anyone, surely we all remember the 1998-99 season when the ISU
> took over most of the 'pro' competitions and then kicked up a fuss about
> Michelle wanting to compete at Skate America but not in any of the other GP
> events. That's what I meant by pressure. She ended up sitting out the
entire GP
> series that year--who knows, maybe the time lag between the pro comps and the
> worlds might have had an effect on her performance--made it less sharp? Just a
> thought.
Yeah, who knows? One thing's for sure, the skaters do not need more people
breathing down their necks telling them what they absolutely HAVE to do.
--
Trudi
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KarieWCPA
Lalique to concentrate on Nationals because his foot is not 100% yet. Smart
move. He should--as should the rest of the skaters--work toward making the
World team, especially in the run-up year to Salt Lake. These competitions are