Nagano JGP Final (exc. Dance)
SKHazen
standby FAX reports have come through (except for Dance; a disappointment as
the USA was represented by one of my Club's members and I am enjoying their
debut this year at the Jr level):
1999 ISU Junior Grand Prix
International Figure Skating Competition
SBC Cup in Nagano
Men
Final Results
Fi SP FS Name Nat. TFP
1 1 1 Soshi TANAKA JPN 1.5
2 5 2 Xiaodong MA CHN 4.5
3 3 3 Stephane LAMBIEL SUI 4.5
4 2 5 Song GAO CHN 6.0
5 6 4 Parker PENNINGTON USA 7.0
6 4 6 Jeffrey BUTTLE CAN 8.0
7 7 7 Scott SMITH USA 10.5
8 11 8 Kensuke NAKANIWA JPN 13.5
9 10 9 Marc Olivier BOSSE CAN 14.0
10 9 10 Mathieu DELCAMBRE FRA 14.5
11 8 11 Eiji IWAMOTO JPN 15.0
12 14 12 Bradley SANTER AUS 19.0
13 13 13 Maxime DUCHEMIN FRA 19.5
14 12 14 Kevin Van Der PERREN BEL 20.0
Ladies
Final Results
Fi SP FS Name Nat. TFP
1 3 1 Jennifer KIRK USA 2.5
2 5 2 Yukari NAKANO JPN 4.5
3 1 4 Marianne DUBUC CAN 4.5
4 2 6 Carina CHEN TPE 7.0
5 9 3 Yoshie ONDA JPN 7.5
6 4 7 Sabina WOJTALA POL 9.0
7 10 5 Naomi NAM USA 10.0
8 8 8 Utako WAKAMATSU JPN 12.0
9 6 9 Elina KETTUNEN FIN 12.0
10 7 11 Kristina OBLASOVA RUS 14.5
11 14 10 Susanna POYKIO FIN 17.0
12 11 12 Gwenaelle JULLIEN FRA 17.5
13 12 13 Chu-Hong LEE KOR 19.0
14 13 14 Magdalena LESKI POL 20.5
15 16 15 Sarah-Yvonne PRYTULA AUS 23.0
16 14 16 Yu YANG CHN 23.0
17 17 17 Ellen MAREELS BEL 25.5
18 18 18 Nina Rebecca McKENZIE NZL 27.0
Pairs
Final Results
Fi SP FS Name Nat. TFP
1 1 1 ZHANG & ZHANG CHN 1.5
2 2 2 POIRIER & BUNTIN CAN 3.0
3 4 3 SPIELBERG & JOERIGHT USA 5.0
4 3 4 MAGARIAN & GUZMAN USA 5.5
5 5 5 AVARD & CHOQUET CAN 7.5
Respectfully,
Steven
OT PS: For those following the O-Zumo 1999 Kyushu Basho, Musashimaru (Yokozuna
East) defeated Takanohana (Auxiliary Yokozuna West) with a *sukuinage* move on
*senshuraku* for the *Yusho* (12-3). *Jun-Yusho* was shared at 11-4 by
Takanohana and Kaio (Sekiwake East). Among the other *sanyaku*, notable
records at 10-5 include Dejima (Ozeki West), Tochiazuma (Sekiwake West),
Musoyama (Komusubi East), and Tosanoumi (Auxiliary Komusubi West). Yokozunas
Wakanohana and Akebono sat hout the *basho* recovering from prior injuries.
Takanonami (Auxiliary Komusubi East) finished at 6-9 and will be *kadoban* for
the 2000 Hatsu Basho -- if the Nihon Sumo Kyokai had not already ruled him
*kadoban* following his 3-4-8 finish at the 1999 Aki Basho, in which case he
will be demoted to Sekiwake for the 2000 Hatsu Basho. I knew you were all
hanging on the edge of your chairs for that information. :-)
ObSkating content of the above: many talented competitors could learn well
from the sport of O-Zumo (typically rendered in English as "Sumo") if only for
the focus on *hinkaku*. I'll leave it to Trish to explain.
TraceySes
[snip]
>1 3 1 Jennifer KIRK USA 2.5
>2 5 2 Yukari NAKANO JPN 4.5
>3 1 4 Marianne DUBUC CAN 4.5
>4 2 6 Carina CHEN TPE 7.0
>5 9 3 Yoshie ONDA JPN 7.5
>6 4 7 Sabina WOJTALA POL 9.0
>7 10 5 Naomi NAM USA 10.0
Go Jennifer!! But yikes! What happened to Naomi?! This does not bode well,
looking towards senior nationals 2000 (and even junior worlds)...
Tracey
Smallovian Insider
skh...@aol.com2qv.org (SKHazen) writes:
>Although the JPN federation has not yet set up a web site for result, the
>standby FAX reports have come through
Bless you, Steven!
> (except for Dance; a disappointment as
>the USA was represented by one of my Club's members and I am enjoying their
>debut this year at the Jr level):
I hope they did themselves proud, learned some things, and feel encouraged.
Peg
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Lorrie Kim
SKHazen <skh...@aol.com2qv.org> wrote:
Thank you for the most complete and up-to-date results so far.
>1 3 1 Jennifer KIRK USA 2.5
Wow wow wow.
>7 10 5 Naomi NAM USA 10.0
Fifth in the freeskate? I'm going to guess she's sick or injured.
I don't think it's over-hype to guess that her basic skating is too good
for 5th in a junior field, when healthy. Hope I'm not proven wrong.
>ObSkating content of the above: many talented competitors could learn well
>from the sport of O-Zumo (typically rendered in English as "Sumo") if only for
>the focus on *hinkaku*. I'll leave it to Trish to explain.
Argh! Trish?
Lorrie Kim
lor...@plover.com
OperettaJK
>1 3 1 Jennifer KIRK USA 2.5
>2 5 2 Yukari NAKANO JPN 4.5
>3 1 4 Marianne DUBUC CAN 4.5
>4 2 6 Carina CHEN TPE 7.0
>5 9 3 Yoshie ONDA JPN 7.5
>6 4 7 Sabina WOJTALA POL 9.0
>7 10 5 Naomi NAM USA 10.0
Naomi finished lower than a skater from Taipei, where there was only ONE ice
rink when I grew up there and I'm not sure whether that one is still open. I'm
in shocked! Is Carina Chen trained in the US perhaps? Steven? Morry?
Jas
OperettaJK
(TraceySes) writes:
>>7 10 5 Naomi NAM USA 10.0
>
>Go Jennifer!! But yikes! What happened to Naomi?! This does not bode well,
>looking towards senior nationals 2000 (and even junior worlds)...
>
It looks like Naomi blew at least one required element in SP and had mistakes
in LP too. If the pattern of past experiences held true, it has to be the
triple jumps.
Jas
Lorrie Kim
OperettaJK <opere...@aol.comnospam> wrote:
>
>Naomi finished lower than a skater from Taipei, where there was only ONE ice
>rink when I grew up there and I'm not sure whether that one is still open. I'm
>in shocked! Is Carina Chen trained in the US perhaps? Steven? Morry?
Carina Chen was a member of the DuPage FSC until this summer, and
competed as a junior lady at U.S. Nationals in Salt Lake City. She showed
up at a SoCal non-qualifier this summer -- Golden West? -- and I was
looking for her name during Upper Great Lakes regionals, but instead she
showed up at Piruetten and Nagano JGPs skating for Taipei.
Lorrie Kim
lor...@plover.com
reeds96
OperettaJK wrote in message
<19991121145658...@ngol01.aol.com>...
>>4 2 6 Carina CHEN TPE 7.0
>>7 10 5 Naomi NAM USA 10.0
>
ice
>rink when I grew up there and I'm not sure whether that one is still open.
I'm
>in shocked! Is Carina Chen trained in the US perhaps? Steven? Morry?
She is, at least according to comments a week or so ago here, re her
performance at one of the other JGPs (Sparkassen?) - someone remembered her
from not-quite-good-enough-to-make-nationals performances at (?) Easterns,
and then a couple of other people confirmed it.
-- Ann.
Jocelyn
>performance at one of the other JGPs (Sparkassen?) - someone remembered her
>from not-quite-good-enough-to-make-nationals performances at (?) Easterns,
>and then a couple of other people confirmed it.
Not quite...
http://www.usfsa.org/uschamp99/roster/chencari.html
She competed in Junior Ladies at this past February's Nationals, finishing 9th.
She was first after the short in the Upper Great Lakes Regionals but dropped to
fourth and still qualified. At Midwestern Sectionals she won the bronze medal.
In 1998 she finished 7th in Novice Nationals.
Jocelyn
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SKHazen
writes:
>OperettaJK wrote in message
><19991121145658...@ngol01.aol.com>...
>>>4 2 6 Carina CHEN TPE 7.0
>...
>>>7 10 5 Naomi NAM USA 10.0
>>
>>Naomi finished lower than a skater from Taipei, where there was only ONE ice
>>rink when I grew up there and I'm not sure whether that one is still open.
I'm
>>in shocked! Is Carina Chen trained in the US perhaps? Steven? Morry?
>
>She is, at least according to comments a week or so ago here, re her
>performance at one of the other JGPs (Sparkassen?) - someone remembered her
>from not-quite-good-enough-to-make-nationals performances at (?) Easterns,
>and then a couple of other people confirmed it.
Actually, Carina finished 9th in Jrs at Nationals last year, representing the
DuPage FSC -- which alone has more sheets of ice than Jas remembers TPE having
when she was growing up. Carina competed at Golden West here in So Cal this
past Sept and I recall posting a message for everyone to watch for her at the
Upper Great Lakes Regional Championships (she finished 4th at GW but had it
within herself to have won -- in which case she would have finished ahead of
BeBe Liang). I was both surprised and disappointed to see her compete in a JGP
event representing TPE at or about the time UGLs were held. According my notes
from Golden West, she *almost* "has" the 3xLz and it is genuinely BIG even when
she does not quite control it (Morry and I had her in 2nd for the SP -- his
marks being official and mine being just for fun -- although the majority of
the panel did not agree with us).
Respectfully,
Steven
Kaiju
Lorrie Kim wrote:
>
> In article <19991121145658...@ngol01.aol.com>,
> OperettaJK <opere...@aol.comnospam> wrote:
> >
> >Naomi finished lower than a skater from Taipei, where there was only ONE ice
> >rink when I grew up there and I'm not sure whether that one is still open. I'm
> >in shocked! Is Carina Chen trained in the US perhaps? Steven? Morry?
>
> Carina Chen was a member of the DuPage FSC until this summer, and
> competed as a junior lady at U.S. Nationals in Salt Lake City. She showed
> up at a SoCal non-qualifier this summer -- Golden West?
I don't recall her being at Golden West. But I confess that I'm a loss at
names more often than not. If she was at the bottom of the ranks, I wouldn't
necessarily remember her. Jas was there with me, and she would remember if
she competed there.
> -- and I was
> looking for her name during Upper Great Lakes regionals, but instead she
> showed up at Piruetten and Nagano JGPs skating for Taipei.
That could be a more likely situation.
Kaiju
KAH656768
due respect to NNN, if you look back at her performance at Nationals, her
placement in these JP series should surprise no one. She's doesn't have
everything to compete as a senior lady. No matter how wonderful the
presentation is, you gotta have the technical elements. She deserved her
silver last year based on how poorly everyone else skated.
Of course, I will humbly eat my crow should her performance this year at
Nationals prove otherwise. I am anxious to see how she fares. She's a "perky"
little skater and fun to watch -- but, give me a more mature Michelle or proven
Sarah Hughes anyday (at least right now!).
Trish O'Brien
>In article <19991121114723...@ngol05.aol.com>,
>SKHazen <skh...@aol.com2qv.org> wrote:
>
> Thank you for the most complete and up-to-date results so far.
>
>>1 3 1 Jennifer KIRK USA 2.5
>
> Wow wow wow.
>
>>7 10 5 Naomi NAM USA 10.0
>
> Fifth in the freeskate? I'm going to guess she's sick or injured.
>I don't think it's over-hype to guess that her basic skating is too good
>for 5th in a junior field, when healthy. Hope I'm not proven wrong.
I don't think it's hype, in that I think her skating is very good, but
heightened expectations may be weighing her down.
>>ObSkating content of the above: many talented competitors could learn well
>>from the sport of O-Zumo (typically rendered in English as "Sumo") if only for
>>the focus on *hinkaku*. I'll leave it to Trish to explain.
>
> Argh! Trish?
From the context, I would suspect the definition Steven is using is "dignity"
but could also be similar to what we call "game face" - fierce, determined, and
hopefully somewhat intimidating.
Trish
OperettaJK
writes:
>In article <19991121145658...@ngol01.aol.com>,
>OperettaJK <opere...@aol.comnospam> wrote:
>>
>>Naomi finished lower than a skater from Taipei, where there was only ONE ice
>>rink when I grew up there and I'm not sure whether that one is still open.
>I'm
>>in shocked! Is Carina Chen trained in the US perhaps? Steven? Morry?
>
> Carina Chen was a member of the DuPage FSC until this summer, and
>competed as a junior lady at U.S. Nationals in Salt Lake City. She showed
>up at a SoCal non-qualifier this summer -- Golden West? -- and I was
>looking for her name during Upper Great Lakes regionals, but instead she
>showed up at Piruetten and Nagano JGPs skating for Taipei.
>
> Lorrie Kim
> lor...@plover.com
That's her! I remember her first name from Golden West but didn't make the
connection! <give myself a knukle> I re-read all the posts after Golden West
and found no mentioning of her except that she finished 5th there. I remember
her as a lovely girl who's about 16/17 and at least 5'3". She had good lines
and presentation, but messed up some jumps. That's all I remember. Anyone else?
Kaiju? Dave? Steven? I'm not sure whether I am glad she's representing Taiwan.
But she would have a much tougher time to make it in the US. US team is very
deep at her level.
Jas
SKHazen
<paob...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>From the context, I would suspect the definition Steven is using is "dignity"
>but could also be similar to what we call "game face" - fierce, determined,
>and hopefully somewhat intimidating.
Thanks, Trish. I knew I could count on you.
This word is one of those which has a slightly different meaning as an O-Zumo
term (with which I am quite familiar) than in standard Japanese (with which
Trish probably has greater facility than do I). In the former it encompasses
all of the things Trish mentioned and then some ... but is most often
translated into English as something akin to "mental toughness which comes from
a greater commitment deep within". The term came up in discussion with a
senior official of the JSF at SA in the context of assessing the performance of
Miss Kanazawa and the fact that she came back and nailed her 3xLz late in an
otherwise sub-standard FS performance.
Respectfully,
Steven
Dave Amorde
OperettaJK wrote in message
<19991121180520...@ngol02.aol.com>...
Perhaps I was in the hot tub during Corina's performance? Actually, IIRC,
she did quite well. Her problem, like all the other girls, is that she had
to share the ice with Bebe Liang.
-Dave-
Trish O'Brien
wrote:
>
>> >ObSkating content of the above: many talented competitors could learn well
>> >from the sport of O-Zumo (typically rendered in English as "Sumo") if only for
>> >the focus on *hinkaku*. I'll leave it to Trish to explain.
>>
>> Argh! Trish?
>
>Hopefully he means Trish O'Brien, since I'm totally lost here too <g>.
>
>Trish B.
>
Well, I get us confused too!! ;-)
Trish (O'Brien)
Trish Barres
Lorrie Kim wrote:
> In article <19991121114723...@ngol05.aol.com>,
> SKHazen <skh...@aol.com2qv.org> wrote:
>
> Thank you for the most complete and up-to-date results so far.
>
> >1 3 1 Jennifer KIRK USA 2.5
>
> Wow wow wow.
>
> >7 10 5 Naomi NAM USA 10.0
>
> Fifth in the freeskate? I'm going to guess she's sick or injured.
> I don't think it's over-hype to guess that her basic skating is too good
> for 5th in a junior field, when healthy. Hope I'm not proven wrong.
>
> >ObSkating content of the above: many talented competitors could learn well
> >from the sport of O-Zumo (typically rendered in English as "Sumo") if only for
> >the focus on *hinkaku*. I'll leave it to Trish to explain.
>
> Argh! Trish?
Hopefully he means Trish O'Brien, since I'm totally lost here too <g>.
Trish B.
>
>
> Lorrie Kim
> lor...@plover.com
--
peba...@alumni.princeton.edu
I'd like to portray that in a series of dark but wacky flashbacks
--Action
JEPSK8
She made four major errors in
her SP and skated well in LP:
DA step out; nice 3Z/2T; under-rotated
two footed 3F, same problems w/3L, 3T,
underotated 3S. Artistry/spins were, of course, very good. There were many
strong skaters in this competition. The judges gave no credit for underrotated
or two-footed jumps. Many skaters had more clean triples
than Naomi. The Japanese skater who placed
second landed seven triples (w/Ito leg wrap)
AND attempted a triple axel.
Lorrie Kim
JEPSK8 <jep...@aol.com> wrote:
>Naomi was not sick or injured.
>She made four major errors in
>her SP and skated well in LP:
Thank you for your report!
>The Japanese skater who placed
>second landed seven triples (w/Ito leg wrap)
>AND attempted a triple axel.
Leading one to wonder: what did Jenny Kirk do to win?
Lorrie Kim
lor...@plover.com
Jennifer Lyon
jep...@aol.com (JEPSK8) wrote:
>The Japanese skater who placed
>second landed seven triples (w/Ito leg wrap)
>AND attempted a triple axel.
Nice to hear that someone is attempting the triple axel!
BoshaMich
>>>OperettaJK <opere...@aol.comnospam> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Naomi finished lower than a skater from Taipei, where there was only ONE
>ice
>>>>rink when I grew up there and I'm not sure whether that one is still
>open.
I saw Carina Chen at the non-qualifying Cherry Blossom competition in the D.C.
area in the spring of '98. She came down with some other skaters from DuPage,
including Arim Choi. Chen landed a slightly cheated 3ltz in the long and had a
very nice skate, finishing 1st in the junior ladies' long, I believe. Two or
three of the judges gave her tech and pres. scores in the low 5's. I thought
that she would challenge for the junior crown last year along with the local
favorite Lisa Kwon.
I'm glad that she is getting some international exposure, as I really enjoyed
her skating.
By the by, what happend to Arim Choi? Anyone?
Bosha
Lorrie Kim
Yes, I would like to know also. Her balletic grace stood out even
amongst the strong junior field in Salt Lake City. I'd love to see her
skate again.
Lorrie Kim
lor...@plover.com
OperettaJK
>Naomi was not sick or injured.
>She made four major errors in
>her SP and skated well in LP:
>DA step out; nice 3Z/2T; under-rotated
>two footed 3F, same problems w/3L, 3T,
>underotated 3S.
Thanks for the report. But I'm confused. Could you please specify which errors
were in her SP and which were in LP? Four errors in a SP? That's a lot!
>The Japanese skater who placed second landed seven triples (w/Ito leg wrap)
>AND attempted a triple axel.
I assume she didn't land it. Wow, seven triples for a junior? What's her name?
How old is she? How is her presentation? I guess Kirk won on presentation, is
that it? How did Kirk do?
Jas >extremely curious
Lorrie Kim
OperettaJK <opere...@aol.comnospam> wrote:
>I guess Kirk won on presentation, is
>that it? How did Kirk do?
According to today's journal entry on Jennifer Kirk's website, she
landed:
triple salchow
triple lutz
triple flip
triple toe-double toe
triple loop
double axel-half loop-triple salchow
http://www.figureskatersonline.com/jenniferkirk/diary.html
Lorrie Kim
lor...@plover.com
OperettaJK
writes:
>OperettaJK <opere...@aol.comnospam> wrote:
>
>>I guess Kirk won on presentation, is
>>that it? How did Kirk do?
>
> According to today's journal entry on Jennifer Kirk's website, she
>landed:
>
>triple salchow
>triple lutz
>triple flip
>triple toe-double toe
>triple loop
>double axel-half loop-triple salchow
>
>http://www.figureskatersonline.com/jenniferkirk/diary.html
>
> Lorrie Kim
> lor...@plover.com
Pretty good for a junior. I wonder whether we'll see her programs on TV this
season.
Jas