MIA USOVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RRI...@webtv.net
courage and dignity that she held through all the turmoil of her
relationship with Sasha. Especially having to deal with that
backstabbing SLUT Pasha!!!!!!!!!! I was surprised by some of the details
in the story that they showed on the World Pros. It is great that she is
happy and is skating beautifully with her new partner Evgeny Plavtov. I
like him alot too and it definitely shows that he is happy away from the
little tramp Pasha. I am so happy that they won World Pros. Not because
of all the hoopla but because of the skating. They skate with such joy
and abandonment. What do you guys think?
Biased Observer
>I have to say I really have alot of respect for Mia Usova for her
You might like to transfer some of that respect to getting her name
correct. It's Maya (or Maia) Usova.
weichi, resident nit-picker
I thought it was love, then I discovered it was just inner ear imbalance
Lorrie Kim
<RRI...@webtv.net> wrote:
(stuff about the ice dancers snipped)
>What do you guys think?
I think it's sexist and rude to call Pasha a "slut." Especially
because it singles her out for sexual misbehavior when she was not the
worst offender within this bunch.
My goodness, I wonder if American TV is going to ruin the pro
career of an outstanding athlete. Just think, if we didn't have horrible
"fluff" broadcasting, we wouldn't be tortured with the whole soap opera
all the time, and that frightful "happy birthday Mr. President" feature
would never have aired, and Pasha could be judged on her SKATING rather
than be stoned by the crowds.
Lorrie Kim
lor...@plover.com
SKATEJOAN
><HTML><PRE>Subject: MIA USOVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>From: RRI...@webtv.net
>Date: Sat, Jan 23, 1999 02:37 EST
>Message-id: <26666-36...@newsd-212.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
>
They skate with such joy
I think they skate pretty slow--she is simply not the skater he is. He also
carries her everywhere on the ice. Their number last night was stroking and
then tricks. I was surprised they were ahead of Pasha. It's clear watching
these two, that Usova is not the skater that Pasha is.
Rosie
AmyBippy
>carries her everywhere on the ice. Their number last night was stroking and
>then tricks. I was surprised they were ahead of Pasha. It's clear watching
>these two, that Usova is not the skater that Pasha is.
>R
I have to respectively disagree with you. I think Maya Usova has a grace,
elegance and smoothness that Pasha will never have. Pasha always seemed to be
more flash and splash than true skating. I don't think Maya has ever looked so
relaxed and joyful in her skating. Joining with Platov has reinvigorated her.
Amy
erik...@my-dejanews.com
lor...@plover.com (Lorrie Kim) wrote:
> In article <26666-36...@newsd-212.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> <RRI...@webtv.net> wrote:
> I think it's sexist and rude to call Pasha a "slut." Especially
> because it singles her out for sexual misbehavior when she was not the
> worst offender within this bunch.
Yeah, you wouldn't see them tarring and feathering "little Katia" for HER
sexual misbehavior. Leave Pasha alone. I want to see her SKATE.
Erik
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Valerie
>In article <26666-36...@newsd-212.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> <RRI...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>because it singles her out for sexual misbehavior when she was not the
>worst offender within this bunch.
(Raising hand) May I be sexist and rude and call Zhulin a slut?
I enjoyed watching U&P. Maia has always been very elegant. As others
have said, one is finally able to SEE Evgeny now.
As to G&Z, I thought their unison in such a short time was remarkable,
but seeing them skate together made me uncomfortable. I don't like many
of the things she is reputed to have done, nor do I like her flailing
style, but I hate to think of her with someone reputed to be abusive.
Also, she is 25. I know he must be in his 30's, but he's looking older
than that. Smooth Operator just looked sleazy to me. Surely she could
find another partner?
Val
Sk8Maven
> I heard Usova and Platov wanna stay eligible.
"Stay" eligible? Both of them went pro, separately, and simply recombining in
a new dance team does not give them back what they individually gave up.
> I hope they (ISU) will give Usova her eligibility back, and they can
> do the same for Oksana too!
The only way this will happen is if they give up on the whole
"eligible-ineligible" farce altogether -- and since that is their main
carrot-and-stick for controlling "eligible" skaters, they're not about to do
that.
Oleg Protopopov lobbied in vain for years to get himself and Ludmilla
reinstated. If the ISU wouldn't make an exception for *them*, they're not
going to make it for anyone else.
Maven
SkateSand
In article <78ci3t$iev$1...@picasso.op.net>, lor...@plover.com wrote:
<<
I think it's sexist and rude to call Pasha a "slut." Especially
because it singles her out for sexual misbehavior when she was not the
worst offender within this bunch.
My goodness, I wonder if American TV is going to ruin the pro
career of an outstanding athlete. Just think, if we didn't have horrible
"fluff" broadcasting, we wouldn't be tortured with the whole soap opera
all the time, and that frightful "happy birthday Mr. President" feature
would never have aired, and Pasha could be judged on her SKATING rather
than be stoned by the crowds.
Lorrie Kim
lor...@plover.com
>>
Yes, I'm getting very tired of the Pasha name-calling, too. Unfortunately, it
is a great, big, juicy human interest story for the broadcasters, so as long as
some of the principals are skating, it's not going to go away. And, of course,
since some of the principals keep talking about it, that also spurs the adverse
PR. I, for one, am sad that this relentless Pasha/Sasha morals bashing has
maybe contributed to the apparent split of what could have been an interesting
ice dance couple.
Laurie
BIGB0882
Usova her eligibility back, and they can do the same for Oksana too!
Virginia Blalock
wrote:
>BIGB0882 wrote:
>> I heard Usova and Platov wanna stay eligible.
>
>"Stay" eligible? Both of them went pro, separately, and simply recombining in
>a new dance team does not give them back what they individually gave up.
Evgeny is still elgible I believe.
Virginia
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Sk8Maven
> >> I heard Usova and Platov wanna stay eligible.
Sk8Maven wrote:
> >"Stay" eligible? Both of them went pro, separately, and simply
> >recombining in a new dance team does not give them back what they
> >individually gave up.
Virginia Blalock wrote:
> Evgeny is still elgible I believe.
Hmm. With the confused and confusing "Open" situation this year, you just
might be right. It won't matter, though, any more than it would for the new
pairs team of Yuka Sato (professional for years) and Jason Dungjen (nominally
"eligible"). They can't skate as "eligibles" because *she* is no longer
"eligible" and the ISU is no longer allowing reinstatements -- "not nobody,
not nohow!"
Maven
HILL JANET SWAN
>>> I heard Usova and Platov wanna stay eligible.
>>
>>"Stay" eligible? Both of them went pro, separately, and simply recombining in
>>a new dance team does not give them back what they individually gave up.
>
>Evgeny is still elgible I believe.
Not any more. Performing in a competition with (i.e. as partner to) a
non-eligible is enough to do it.
janet
--
SKHazen
Bear with me, folks. A bit of thinking out loud.
Of all the "open" events this year, the one which most offended my sense of the
importance of establishing and following rules was the World Pro (nee
"Landover") event -- in this case, both what they were and how they were
established although my impression is that once established they were well
implimented.
That irritation aside, my initial reaction to watching the Saturday broadcast
on US TV was that there may at last be a ray of hope for emergence of an
identifiable form of competition in figure skating which is both distinct from
eligible standards and potentially quite popular. In its more polished form:
Rudy's violin and Kurt's clown. In its less polished form form: Oksana's
telephone.
Whatever that form be, it is *not* "figure skating" [the term an admitted
anachronism itself] as *I* know it. Far too much of each program referenced
above simply had *nothing* to do with the ice or even movement over it much
less the blades. All of that could have been done on "dry land".
OTOH, there actually was quite a bit of technical content on that front which
had merit on its own and even more meit for the integration of that content
into the overall program. IMO, for Kurt that integration was seamless, for
Rudy polished, for Oksana nascent. [Side commentarry: (a) Kurt's clown -- so
seamless as to make it easy for folks to miss the remarkable technical content,
(b) Rudy's violin -- so impressive I probably would have started these
ruminations even without Kurt's clown, (c) Oksana's telephone -- integration so
unpolished as to distract many from the fact that her technical content
actually repesented a remarkable step on the comeback trail.]
So I put all of that in the perspective of recent threads such as Boitano/BOI,
a troika of competive paths (eligible, open, and pro), and of course Hog's
"cornfusion". And in that context I conclude that Landover may actually have
marked a flicker of hope in this long journey through the tunnel created by the
ISU's ill-prepared and ill-thought out foray into the "open" millieu as
evidenced this year. There *is* a place for competitive "performance" on ice
which is not limited by rules and requirements of mandatory technical
components (or even presentation, which actually does have prescribed
components) of eligible skating.
My proposal for a new Rudy/Kurt/Oksana-inspired category: "Ice Performance."
The most comparable analogy: Circque du Soleil, on ice and with identiable
stars. The analogy is not to the gymnastics/acrobatics component of the latter
but to the creativity and focus on performance.
As much as I enjoyed the winning performances in each of the disciplines shown
on TV, I note that none of them would actually fall into this new category. At
least not as I envision it.
Whatever happens, I *do* hope that the ad hoc, rules of week (in some cases, it
came close to being *hours*) nonesense will go the way of the dinosaurs -- and
leave no fossils or dna spores for future revivification or cloning.
Respectfully,
Steven <----- speaking, of course, as an individual "private citizen"
although I doubt anyone would particularly care in this context.
ghg...@my-dejanews.com
Is Janet right? Idon't know. the competition was sanctioned for eligibles
to appear.
Fred
> --
Virginia Blalock
SWAN) wrote:
>Virginia Blalock <skat...@visions.simplenet.com> wrote:
>
>>>> I heard Usova and Platov wanna stay eligible.
>>>
>>>"Stay" eligible? Both of them went pro, separately, and simply recombining in
>>>a new dance team does not give them back what they individually gave up.
>>
>>Evgeny is still elgible I believe.
>
>Not any more. Performing in a competition with (i.e. as partner to) a
>non-eligible is enough to do it.
I have always been led to believe that eligibility was an INDIVIDUAL
thing. Evgeny and Maia have done just open events this year(Canadian
Open, World Open, and Japan Open).
When did this change?
DesertRoaz
This is the first pro team to excite me since Klimova and Ponomorenko. Platov
is a dream out there... such flow, passion, joy, expressiveness, so giving with
his partner. I think I'm in love, hyuk hyuk! Maya skates with an excitement
and fire that I never saw from her before. Their personalities and skating
styles fit together so well. I wish I could express myself with more technical
knowledge when it comes to ice dancing, so the best I can say is that I
understand the criticism of other dance teams better when I see a pair like
Usova and Platov...I don't know *how* they do it, but the proof is in the
pudding.
As for the other dancers....
I have criticized Pasha in the past but I thought she conducted herself with
class and decorum at the World Pros. She and Zhulin didn't skate as well as
U&P and Punsulan and Swallow, but their programs were good and showed a lot of
potential. I hope Pasha finds another good dance partner rather than go solo.
Zhulin wasn't the best match for her I think.
Punsulan and Swallow! The male half looked like Robert Smith of the Cure out
there, lol! I liked the look though, I never knew he was so *baaaaad.*
Their program surprised me, it reminded me of Klimova and Ponomorenko's sexy,
gothic stuff. If it weren't for U&P's sublime performance, I would have been
rooting for them to win. And I never liked 'em before.
I'm getting excited about pro ice dancing again! Cool!
DesertRoaz
"I lurk." -- Angel
"I don't." -- Roaz
delete "cutie" to reply
www.expage.com/page/desertroaz (my movie-buff website)
Donna Stephansky
>Bear with me, folks. A bit of thinking out loud.
>, my initial reaction to watching the Saturday broadcast on US TV was that there may at
>last be a ray of hope for emergence of an identifiable form of competition in figure
>skating which is both distinct from eligible standards and potentially quite popular. In
>its more polished form: Rudy's violin and Kurt's clown. In its less polished form form:
>Oksana's telephone.
God Bless you Steve! .....This is what I have been harping about
since I started posting on these skating boards (after the Olympics).
The face of skating is changing at a phenomenal pace. There will soon
be no place in the competitive genre (eligible or ineligible) for the
skaters you have mentioned and many more. Where will we be able to
see them? I don't like going to cheesy commercial ice shows but I have
to pay a lot of money and go in order to see the skaters that I like
under conditions I hate. Many of them don't belong in cheesy
commercial productions. Robin Cousins sure showed us that with Improv
Ice.
relevent but sniped so as not to garner janet's disfavor
>There *is* a place for competitive "performance" on ice
>which is not limited by rules and requirements of mandatory technical
>components (or even presentation, which actually does have prescribed
>components) of eligible skating.
Yes!..... Oy!
>My proposal for a new Rudy/Kurt/Oksana-inspired category: "Ice Performance."
>The most comparable analogy: Circque du Soleil, on ice and with identiable
>stars. The analogy is not to the gymnastics/acrobatics component of the latter
>but to the creativity and focus on performance.
Unique performance artists with uniqe skills, *great* analogy.
>As much as I enjoyed the winning performances in each of the disciplines shown
>on TV, I note that none of them would actually fall into this new category. At
>least not as I envision it.
>Respectfully,
>Steven <----- speaking, of course, as an individual "private citizen"
>although I doubt anyone would particularly care in this context.
What a great post Steve!
I sincerely hope that these skaters stop bitchin and get movin. The
times they are a changin (fast). They have a lot to offer but they
need to develop concepts, organize them and *SELL* them. The audience
will always be there.They don't have to make a living skating in these
grueling tours and compititions that burn them out before their time.
Some are great performance artists (and I don't use those words
loosely) who need a more suitable platform. IMHO, a more intimate one.
I agree with everything you said....and you didn't piss me off once.
Respectfully,
Donna
CKilyanek
From: deser...@aol.comcutie (DesertRoaz)
Date: Sun, Jan 24, 1999 5:08 PM
Message-id: <19990124160839...@ng41.aol.com>
Punsulan and Swallow! The male half looked like Robert Smith of the Cure out
there, lol!
>>
Robert Smith gets a mention on r.s.s.i.f.!! Cool! :)
Carol
SKHazen
In article <36ab7ed0...@news.cloud9.net>, skat...@visions.simplenet.com
(Virginia Blalock) writes [under the original thread title: "Re: MIA
USOVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!" quoting Janet]:
>>Not any more. Performing in a competition with (i.e. as partner to) a
>>non-eligible is enough to do it.
>
>I have always been led to believe that eligibility was an INDIVIDUAL
>thing. Evgeny and Maia have done just open events this year(Canadian
>Open, World Open, and Japan Open).
I cannot recall the last time (if ever) I took exception to Janet, or the last
time I specifically agreed with Virginia (the latter simply reflecting the fact
that I cannot *any* prior juxtopositions of issues/ideas), but:
ISU General Regulations 1998, Rule 102, Para 2:
A person becomes ineligible to participate in ISU activities and
competitions by: (1) participating in a skating competition,
exhibition or tour and any of the sport disciplines of the ISU; (ii)
participating in a competition conducted by officials (Referees,
Judges, Starters, Competition Stewards, etc.,) not on the
approved list of the respective Member or on the ISU approved
list; (iii) participating in an event not sanctioned by a Member
and/or the ISU; or (iv) otherwise violating this Rule 102.
Note that all of Rule 102 is new with the 47th Ordinary Congress. My copy of
the Rules in effect after the 46th is in my office so cannot recall whether the
changes had the effect of removing a prior provision making a person ineligible
for competing in a sanctioned event with an ineligible partner.
Result: Platov's current status (if, as asserted, he has not competed in any
event not sanctioned by the ISU) is governed by the eligibility rules of the
RUS fed. Were his status to be subject to the USFSA eligility rules, the
applicable ones are set forth in ER 4.00 and ER 5.00 -- which as characterized
by Virginia and as set forth in ISU Rule 102, are specific to individuals and
events in which they participate not to the status of his/her pairs/dance
partner.
Actually, Platov's eligibility situation presents some interesting questions
albeit almost certainly purely hypothetical.
Note also: Under the ISU Rule 102 provision quoted above, Grishuk's status as
a competitor in Ladies should she follow up on her announced desire to do that
would be exactly the same as for Dance.
Respectfully,
Steven <------ individulal "private citizen" and all
SKHazen
In article <19990124172934...@ngol02.aol.com>, skh...@aol.com2qv
(SKHazen) writes:
>ISU General Regulations 1998, Rule 102, Para 2:
>
> A person becomes ineligible to participate in ISU activities and
> competitions by: (1) participating in a skating competition,
> exhibition or tour and any of the sport disciplines of the ISU; (ii)
OOOOPS! Senior moment folks. Clause (1) should read in its entirety as
follows:
"... participating, without the prior express authorization of the respective
Member, in any capacity in a skating competition, exhibition or tour in any of
the sport disciplines of the ISU ..."
Had I not provided the text indentation, I might be able to convince myself
that the pertinent text got dropped in cyberspace, but .....
Respectfully,
Steven <---- who may be the "elderly horse" referenced in another thread
Kevin Wells
was still married to Mia Pasha was wearin ghis wedding ring around her neck
on a chain. Nice guy hey.
Rich wrote in message <36ad861a...@news1.newscene.com>...
>On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:37:19 -0800 (PST), RRI...@webtv.net wrote:
>
>>I have to say I really have alot of respect for Mia Usova for her
>>relationship with Sasha. Especially having to deal with that
>>backstabbing SLUT Pasha!!!!!!!!!! I was surprised by some of the details
>>in the story that they showed on the World Pros. It is great that she is
>>happy and is skating beautifully with her new partner Evgeny Plavtov. I
>>like him alot too and it definitely shows that he is happy away from the
>>little tramp Pasha. I am so happy that they won World Pros. Not because
>>and abandonment. What do you guys think?
>
>I think Zhulin cheated on Usova at least a few years ago. I think they
>are making a big deal out of it now because they hope it will help the
>TV ratings like the Harding/Kerrigan scandal did.
>
Kevin Wells
do everything in her power to ruin Bourne and Kratzes changes at the last
olympics. And she did because of everythink she did and said they didn't win
a Medal at all they should of had at least the silver.
Lorrie Kim wrote in message <78ci3t$iev$1...@picasso.op.net>...
>In article <26666-36...@newsd-212.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> <RRI...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>(stuff about the ice dancers snipped)
>
>
HILL JANET SWAN
>On 24 Jan 1999 18:36:52 GMT, hil...@spot.Colorado.EDU (HILL JANET
>SWAN) wrote:
>
>>Virginia Blalock <skat...@visions.simplenet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I heard Usova and Platov wanna stay eligible.
>>>>
>>>>"Stay" eligible? Both of them went pro, separately, and simply recombining in
>>>>a new dance team does not give them back what they individually gave up.
>>>
>>>Evgeny is still elgible I believe.
>>
>>non-eligible is enough to do it.
>
>I have always been led to believe that eligibility was an INDIVIDUAL
>thing. Evgeny and Maia have done just open events this year(Canadian
>Open, World Open, and Japan Open).
>
It didn't change. One of the things that has always resulted in a loss of
eligibility was skating with pros, unless you specifically had permission
of your NGB to do so.
I understand the confusion -- you're thinking that when people ask, "why
couldn't Kristi reinstate to skate pairs again?" they get the answer that
"a pro is a pro, regardless of the discipline. If s/he went pro as a
pair, s/he's a pro for singles and dance. If s/he went pro as a single,
s/he's a pro for pairs or dance."
But that's only part of the story. A dance pair or a dance couple is
either eligible, or it's not. And ineligibility is "catching" .... you
skate in a competition with an ineligible person, and you are too.
It's a little like (please forgive an unsavory analogy) the way in which
people are/were categorized as to race. Back when there were actually
laws about such things in the US (the laws being made by Whites), a person
with one Black parent and one White one was always considered Black, and
this practice continued even for those who were 1/4 or 1/8 Black in
parentage.
janet
--
DesertRoaz
>
>I think they skate pretty slow--she is simply not the skater he is. He also
>carries her everywhere on the ice. Their number last night was stroking and
>then tricks. I was surprised they were ahead of Pasha. It's clear watching
>these two, that Usova is not the skater that Pasha is.
>Rosie
>
>
I would ordinarily agree that Pasha is a better skater than Maya, but Pasha
wasn't up to form in my opinion at World Pro. I thought Maya skated better at
this competition.
I'm glad Pasha and Sasha split up, myself. I'd rather see her with a partner
who doesn't slap women around and act flippant about the issue when asked about
it.
HILL JANET SWAN
Cool, Steve. Thanks for the more precise information, by the way.
janet
--
DesertRoaz
<<My proposal for a new Rudy/Kurt/Oksana-inspired category: "Ice Performance."
The most comparable analogy: Circque du Soleil, on ice and with identiable
stars. The analogy is not to the gymnastics/acrobatics component of the latter
but to the creativity and focus on performance.>>
I am with you. A lot of people complain about Rudy and Oskana's posing, and I
don't blame them, because too much non-skating bothers me too. But I make
exceptions when a skater is such a great performer that the "posing" or dancing
in place actually adds to the overall performance, creating an integration of
more than one art form. I loved Oksana's Arabian in spite of the amount of
time spent lying on the ice because her moves were so incredible and helped
tell the story of the program. Yet when judging skating, it is arguably not
fair to judge such a program higher than one where the skater spends the entire
time skating. Rudy's posing doesn't impress me as much, but I love his violin
program and I'd hate to see programs like this fall by the wayside.
As for Kurt, I guess I was too ignorant to even suspect that his program didn't
contain enough skating content. ;-)
Jane Hunt
(ghg...@my-dejanews.com) writes:
> In article <78fp84$m...@peabody.colorado.edu>,
> hil...@spot.Colorado.EDU (HILL JANET SWAN) wrote:
>> Virginia Blalock <skat...@visions.simplenet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> I heard Usova and Platov wanna stay eligible.
>> >>
>> >>"Stay" eligible? Both of them went pro, separately, and simply recombining in
>> >>a new dance team does not give them back what they individually gave up.
>> >
>> >Evgeny is still elgible I believe.
>>
>> Not any more. Performing in a competition with (i.e. as partner to) a
>> non-eligible is enough to do it.
>>
>
> Is Janet right? Idon't know. the competition was sanctioned for eligibles
> to appear.
>
> Fred
My understanding of the rule is the same as Janet's -- that an
individual eligible skater will lose their eligibility either by
skating in a non-eligible-sanctioned event OR by partnering
a non-eligible skater, even if the event is a sanctioned one.
I think that Evgeny gave up his eligibility when he became
Maia's partner.
Someone pull out a rule book....
Jane H.
HILL JANET SWAN
>If Pasha was as good as skater as everyone thinks she was then why did she
>do everything in her power to ruin Bourne and Kratzes changes at the last
>olympics.
Because she's good at more than skating. She's also good at competing and
gamesmanship.
janet
--
SKHazen
In article <78ggph$k...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, br...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
(Jane Hunt) writes:
>Someone pull out a rule book....
I did. See the thread titled "Eligibility - Pairs/Dance partners". Of course,
maybe I missed something.
Steven
DesertRoaz
>>If Pasha was as good as skater as everyone thinks she was then why did she
>>do everything in her power to ruin Bourne and Kratzes changes at the last
>>olympics.
What did Pasha do re Bourne and Kraatz at the last Olympics?
DesertRoaz
ghg...@my-dejanews.com
hil...@spot.Colorado.EDU (HILL JANET SWAN) wrote:
> Virginia Blalock <skat...@visions.simplenet.com> wrote:
> >SWAN) wrote:
> >
> >>Virginia Blalock <skat...@visions.simplenet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> I heard Usova and Platov wanna stay eligible.
> >>>>
> >>>>"Stay" eligible? Both of them went pro, separately, and simply recombining in
> >>>>a new dance team does not give them back what they individually gave up.
> >>>
> >>>Evgeny is still elgible I believe.
> >>
> >>Not any more. Performing in a competition with (i.e. as partner to) a
> >>non-eligible is enough to do it.
> >
> >thing. Evgeny and Maia have done just open events this year(Canadian
> >Open, World Open, and Japan Open).
> >
> >When did this change?
>
> It didn't change. One of the things that has always resulted in a loss of
> eligibility was skating with pros, unless you specifically had permission
> of your NGB to do so.
>
> I understand the confusion -- you're thinking that when people ask, "why
> couldn't Kristi reinstate to skate pairs again?" they get the answer that
> "a pro is a pro, regardless of the discipline. If s/he went pro as a
> pair, s/he's a pro for singles and dance. If s/he went pro as a single,
> s/he's a pro for pairs or dance."
>
> But that's only part of the story. A dance pair or a dance couple is
> either eligible, or it's not. And ineligibility is "catching" .... you
> skate in a competition with an ineligible person, and you are too.
>
> It's a little like (please forgive an unsavory analogy) the way in which
> people are/were categorized as to race. Back when there were actually
> laws about such things in the US (the laws being made by Whites), a person
> with one Black parent and one White one was always considered Black, and
> this practice continued even for those who were 1/4 or 1/8 Black in
> parentage.
>
> janet
>
Fred
Fred
Laura D Birch
blades are touching the ice or not. It was so nice to see two happy faces
and know that it's genuine. Hurray for Usava & Platov for a great first
showing!
DesertRoaz <deser...@aol.comcutie> wrote in article
<19990124200319...@ng41.aol.com>...
> Rosie said:
>
> >
> >I think they skate pretty slow--she is simply not the skater he is. He
also
> >carries her everywhere on the ice. Their number last night was stroking
and
> >then tricks. I was surprised they were ahead of Pasha. It's clear
watching
> >these two, that Usova is not the skater that Pasha is.
> >Rosie
> >
> >
>
> I would ordinarily agree that Pasha is a better skater than Maya, but
Pasha
> wasn't up to form in my opinion at World Pro. I thought Maya skated
better at
> this competition.
>
> I'm glad Pasha and Sasha split up, myself. I'd rather see her with a
partner
> who doesn't slap women around and act flippant about the issue when asked
about
> it.
>
>
SKHazen
Quite apart from the question of Platov'e eligibility, each time I see this
thread I note to myself that Maya is *not* Missing In Action.
Chelsea Christenson
>
> My opinion is that Maya has unbelievable, beautiful positions whether
> her blades are touching the ice or not.
If nothing else, she has abs of steel -- many of those positions
wouldn't have mattered if she hadn't been able to hold them so well.
> It was so nice to see two happy faces and know that it's genuine.
> Hurray for Usava & Platov for a great first showing!
Maia Usova is about the only skater I would absolve from my "facial
expressions" peeve, because even her face muscles have learned great
presentation skills....
Virginia Blalock
>
>Quite apart from the question of Platov'e eligibility, each time I see this
>thread I note to myself that Maya is *not* Missing In Action.
>
Heck, when I look at them, I see BOTH of them! I mean, poor Evgeny was
hidden behind Pasha for so long. Now, they are a team where both are
noticed. I like that.
Spiral88
time that she get a life.
Alexandria
Fred Williams
Laura D Birch wrote in message
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>My opinion is that Maya has unbelievable, beautiful positions whether her
>and know that it's genuine. Hurray for Usava & Platov for a great first
>showing!
>
Zhulin, (however you spell his name in English), and thought how wonderful
it was that they had that connection even though they were divorced. They
skated beautifully together. All the time there was this history of
animosity and abuse.
Maya has to be an even better actress than Hilary Clinton!
Maya, in my opinion, is perhaps the most underrated skater around. She
has beautiful positions, and edges,...and flexibility and a sense of the
dramatric. What can I say...Wow!
--
Let us give to the poorest of the poor.
Fred Williams
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HILL JANET SWAN wrote in message <78gv9n$2...@peabody.colorado.edu>...
>Kevin Wells <kwe...@connect.ab.ca> wrote:
>>If Pasha was as good as skater as everyone thinks she was then why did she
>>do everything in her power to ruin Bourne and Kratzes changes at the last
>>olympics.
>
>gamesmanship.
>
Fred Williams