Brian Orser Sued for Palimony
Pat C
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Pat C
Fiona McQuarrie wrote in message <72v5d5$m9m$1...@morgoth.sfu.ca>...
>Well, I guess this answers *that* question :)
>
>The Globe and Mail reports today (I read it in that old-fashioned paper
>stuff, don't have a URL) that Brian Orser is being sued for palimony by
>the guy he lived with until 1997.
Pat C
>The dogs are what bother me most - I hope Brian's side of it is more
>accurate. Anyone who would have an animal killed just because it has
>become an "inconvenience" is a really slimy critter, IMHO.
Let's just remember that this may be not be true. It could be
sensationalistic
journalism. Let's not hang him yet.
Pat C
Fiona McQuarrie
The Globe and Mail reports today (I read it in that old-fashioned paper
stuff, don't have a URL) that Brian Orser is being sued for palimony by
the guy he lived with until 1997.
Orser kicked the guy out of his house in Toronto in late 1997. The guy
(who has a job, according to the story) wants a share of Orser's income,
his car (a Porsche), a share in his cottage in the Muskokas (cottage
country north of of Toronto), and a bunch of stuff he claims Orser kept
that belongs to him.
He also says that Orser had the couple's dogs put to sleep after the
breakup and he wants compensation for that too.
The suit estimates Orser's income at $2 million CDN per year and says that
his earning power will "only increase in the future".
The suit was actually filed in January but only became public yesterday
after a couple of news organizations filed to have the names of the
parties put on the public record.
Cheers, Fiona
Vespertine
<<He also says that Orser had the couple's dogs put to sleep after the breakup
and he wants compensation for that too.>>
I really, really hope this is not true. If it is shown to be true, and it
was done for vindictive as opposed to health reasons, I will never ever ever
watch anything Orser skates in again, and I will believe he is a total jerk.
Child and animal abuse are unforgivable IMO.
Vespertine
<<Orser said he offered them to Leask but he declined and one is
"happily" in a new home while the other was put down on a vet's
advice.>>
Good. Sounds like Orser can offer credible evidence that he is NOT cruel to
animals!
Seriously, I would have to boycott his skating as a matter of principle!!
As much as I love Woody Allen's movies, I haven't seen one since he started
"dating" his step-daughter. Sicko.
Marcusfam1
>the guy he lived with until 1997.
>
Palimony !! Guess the gay rumors are true !!<G>
Harriet
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Sk8Maven
I read it. Eww, what an *ugly* way to get "outed". Just as emotionally
messy and nasty as Sasha/Maya/Pasha. Who says living together is
"simpler" than being married? (I never believed that one anyway.)
The dogs are what bother me most - I hope Brian's side of it is more
accurate. Anyone who would have an animal killed just because it has
become an "inconvenience" is a really slimy critter, IMHO.
Maven
Ellen B. Edgerton
: The dogs are what bother me most - I hope Brian's side of it is more
: accurate. Anyone who would have an animal killed just because it has
: become an "inconvenience" is a really slimy critter, IMHO.
What if Brian's side of it *isn't* accurate? Is he going to hell?
Just wondering. :-)
BladeArt
to imply. This is a serious matter, and an innocent person has to suffer
because of someone acting out of spite.
Secondly, for the record: Brian Orser adored his dogs (which HE had long before
this person came along). One of the dogs had to be put to sleep for medical
reasons, and the other one Brian gave to someone close to him when he moved
from Toronto.
From what I can tell, the rest of the charges against him are equally
ridiculous, and I hope most fans on this board will give Brian the benefit of
the doubt before believing everything out there. Everyone who has ever met
Brian knows what a kind and thoughtful human being he is. How could anyone
believe such crap about him?
Barbara Hoffman
"A former boyfriend of Olympic skating champ Brian Orser has launched a
$300,000 palimony suit, alleging the figure skater promised he'd always
support him...Instead, Craig Leask, 35, claims Orser cheated on him, killed
the couple's dogs, kicked him out of their...home...and has since moved to
Ottawa and is living with another man...Leask alleges he...bowed to Orser's
desire that he perform the housekeeping duties to the detriment of his own
career, thus losing chances of promotion at CIBC where he worked as a
project manager...Leask is asking for a $300,000 lump sum or $5,000 a
month...He also wants to be the beneficiary of Orser's life insurance and
wants payment of his health plan and dental needs...Leaske is claiming
ownership of a cottage and half of Orser's assets including a Porsche, a
boat and their home...Orser denies all allegations and says not only did he
'never promise' to support Leaske, but claims Leask said he wouldn't go
after him for support like a previous Orser lover did. Orser also rejects
the claim he asked Leask to keep house for him...but notes he caught Leask
in bed with other men more than once and it was Leaske's conduct that led to
their mid-1997 breakup...Leask says Orser had their dogs put to sleep as a
rejection of their affair...Orser said one is 'happily' in a new home while
the other was put down on a vet's advice..."
This reminds me of a palimony suit against a Hollywood celebrity (can't
remember who) whose ex claimed she was entitled to support because she had
given up her career as a dental hygienist to be a full-time girlfriend. My
question is: What is Orser's ex going to do with half a Porsche?
Barbara
"Some mornings it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps." -
Emo Phillips
Sk8Maven
> : The dogs are what bother me most - I hope Brian's side of it is more
> : accurate. Anyone who would have an animal killed just because it has
> : become an "inconvenience" is a really slimy critter, IMHO.
>
> What if Brian's side of it *isn't* accurate? Is he going to hell?
>
> Just wondering. :-)
No...but he'd be MUCH lower and scuzzier than the type of creep who
would give his wedding ring to his mistress and let her flaunt it in
front of his wife.
Animals are a *major* responsibility, and should be properly cared for -
or else don't have pets in the first place!
Maven
Ann Lewis
>
> Well, I guess this answers *that* question :)
>
>Brian Orser is being sued for palimony by
> the guy he lived with until 1997.
>
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!
> He also says that Orser had the couple's dogs put to sleep after the
> breakup and he wants compensation for that too.
Brian Orser is SCUM. 'Nuff said. <g>
AJL, moral conscience of rssif
Ann Lewis
> Let's not hang him yet.
Let's hang him NOW. It would be fun to see Trudi flip out. <giggle>
Sk8Maven
> First of all, I don't think the subject is as amusing as a couple of
> you seem to imply. This is a serious matter, and an innocent person has
> to suffer because of someone acting out of spite.
Sad but true...and if, as the article implies, this is the *second* time
Orser has been "taken" by someone he had a serious relationship with,
one has to wonder if his judgment of character is any better than
Dorothy Hamill's. (Then again, she got fooled *three* times, wasn't it?)
Love really *is* blind.
> Secondly, for the record: Brian Orser adored his dogs (which HE had
> long before this person came along). One of the dogs had to be put to
> sleep for medical reasons, and the other one Brian gave to someone
> close to him when he moved from Toronto.
Thanks - independent confirmations are always welcome and valuable.
> From what I can tell, the rest of the charges against him are equally
> ridiculous, and I hope most fans on this board will give Brian the
> benefit of the doubt before believing everything out there. Everyone
> who has ever met Brian knows what a kind and thoughtful human being he
> is. How could anyone believe such crap about him?
Divorce suits are *always* ugly, and it seems to me the ugliest kind are
the ones where the parties in question weren't legally married in the
first place. (I'm *not* being frivolous about this.)
I don't know what it all goes to show you, except that relationships
between human beings can get *incredibly* tangled and messy and hurtful.
Maven
Lorrie Kim
out and responding to this crisis with level-headed calm. It was his
fluidity, curvaceous footwork and non-verbal expressive range that got
me interested in skating several years ago, and I was proud to add him
to the roster of out gay skaters on my website:
http://www.plover.com/rainbowice/
It sounds like this guy is just going after his money. "Killed their
dogs"? Give me a break. If that's the worst he can come up with, my
guess is that this break-up is just your average messy break-up.
Note to closeted figure skaters: come out before you discover
that your supposed true love is going to sue for palimony!
It must not be easy to have a relationship between equals when
one partner is gorgeous, famous, wealthy, and impossibly talented.
Good for Orser that he just reminded us of his fabulousness four days
ago. My throat was sore for 24 hours after I cheered for his triple
lutz-double toe (never thought I'd see _that_ again).
Lorrie Kim
lor...@plover.com
Lisa Van Every
If one is trying to make another person look horrible and reviled to
others, the easiest way to do it is to accuse that person of some awful
misdeed towards the helpless. Such accusations are likely to cause
immediate condemnation and outcry against the person they are leveled
at. In this instance, they seem to have worked.
I would humbly suggest that perhaps hearing a larger sampling of facts
before deciding anyone is scum of the earth would be a prudent move--in
*any* circumstance, not just this one.
======================================================================
Lisa Van Every icp...@blarg.net http://www.blarg.net/~icprncs/
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Ellen B. Edgerton
: > What if Brian's side of it *isn't* accurate? Is he going to hell?
: >
: > Just wondering. :-)
: No...but he'd be MUCH lower and scuzzier than the type of creep who
: would give his wedding ring to his mistress and let her flaunt it in
: front of his wife.
So such a person would be *closer* to hell, you're saying? I mean, you
ARE referring to "lower" here, I assume that's what you're implying. (It
should be understood that "hell" in this instance means "the place that is
farthest away from my good person").
For the record...much as I hate to comment on this, it does seem plausible
to me that Orser's side of the story is more accurate, if only because of
the detail he goes into in his rebuttal and because there seems to be no
particular malice directed at his accuser in his (Orser's) version of
events.
Ellen B. Edgerton
: I am sorry it had to be this way, but I'm happy that Orser is
: out and responding to this crisis with level-headed calm. It was his
: fluidity, curvaceous footwork and non-verbal expressive range that got
: me interested in skating several years ago, and I was proud to add him
: to the roster of out gay skaters on my website:
: http://www.plover.com/rainbowice/
Ummm... do you distinguish between "out" and "outed"? Or does Orser
appearing in court after being dragged there by a vengeful ex count as a
"voluntary" coming out?
HILL JANET SWAN
considering the "untidiness" of this business, it makes Orser's re-found
triple lutz and recent wonderful skating even more impressive .....
janet
--
David Fraser
>Well, I guess this answers *that* question :)
>
>The Globe and Mail reports today (I read it in that old-fashioned paper
>stuff, don't have a URL) that Brian Orser is being sued for palimony by
>the guy he lived with until 1997.
I just checked my figure skating calendar, and Brian is not the
November picture.:-)
Regards, Dave Fraser (dfr...@nbnet.nb.ca)
David Fraser
wrote:
I have a picture of Brian somewhere. I'm going to hang it right on the
wall here over my computer. Why would Trudi flip out over that???
Regards, Dave Fraser (dfr...@nbnet.nb.ca)
David Fraser
>Fiona recaps a news article:
>
><<He also says that Orser had the couple's dogs put to sleep after the breakup
>and he wants compensation for that too.>>
>
> I really, really hope this is not true. If it is shown to be true, and it
>was done for vindictive as opposed to health reasons, I will never ever ever
>watch anything Orser skates in again, and I will believe he is a total jerk.
> Child and animal abuse are unforgivable IMO.
The allegations from the former live-in seem to be on a par with
spurious child abuse allegations encountered when hetero marriages
break up.
Regards, Dave Fraser (dfr...@nbnet.nb.ca)
Sk8Maven
> : > What if Brian's side of it *isn't* accurate? Is he going to hell?
> : >
> : > Just wondering. :-)
>
> : No...but he'd be MUCH lower and scuzzier than the type of creep who
> : would give his wedding ring to his mistress and let her flaunt it in
> : front of his wife.
>
> So such a person would be *closer* to hell, you're saying? I mean, you
> ARE referring to "lower" here, I assume that's what you're implying.
> (It should be understood that "hell" in this instance means "the place
> that is farthest away from my good person").
I was thinking in relation to "the gutter", but it comes to the same
thing I guess. I'm very touchy when it comes to animals - I think most
people who are owned by pets are.
> For the record...much as I hate to comment on this, it does seem
> plausible to me that Orser's side of the story is more accurate, if
> only because of the detail he goes into in his rebuttal and because
> there seems to be no particular malice directed at his accuser in his
> (Orser's) version of events.
It also conforms to what's known publicly about his character - nothing
but kindness and consideration for others.
Maven
Sk8Maven
> The allegations from the former live-in seem to be on a par with
> spurious child abuse allegations encountered when hetero marriages
> break up.
Yup, it's a divorce case by any other name (complicated, legally *and*
emotionally, by the fact that the participants weren't legally married.)
Maven
Virginia Blalock
>Fiona recaps a news article:
>
><<He also says that Orser had the couple's dogs put to sleep after the breakup
>and he wants compensation for that too.>>
>
> I really, really hope this is not true. If it is shown to be true, and it
>was done for vindictive as opposed to health reasons, I will never ever ever
>watch anything Orser skates in again, and I will believe he is a total jerk.
> Child and animal abuse are unforgivable IMO.
According to another article I read, Brian says one dog is in another
home and the other was put to sleep on the advice of a vet.
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Sarah Weinman
> Well, I guess this answers *that* question :)
I agree with the person who said that it's an ugly way to get outed. However,
kudos to Brian for responding with calm.
As to the dogs, well, I am inclined to believe Orser on this count. It's the
messy divorce "I want to take you for all that you are worth" syndrome so
typical of people who get involved with those who have some sort of fame. Sad
that when a relationship has to fall apart, one of the parties has to get so
vindictive.
Here's hoping that Orser can get through this as quickly as possible and get
on with his life. And now that he's out--well, let that be a reminder to all
the other skaters (like someone else said): first, the best of relationships
can suddenly blow up. Second, *anyone* can become your enemy. And third,
secrets are very, very hard to keep.
Sarah
Virginia Blalock
Edgerton) wrote:
>Sk8Maven (sk8m...@monumental.com) wrote:
>
>: The dogs are what bother me most - I hope Brian's side of it is more
>: accurate. Anyone who would have an animal killed just because it has
>: become an "inconvenience" is a really slimy critter, IMHO.
>
>What if Brian's side of it *isn't* accurate? Is he going to hell?
>
>Just wondering. :-)
You know, it is almost nice that the dogs are more of an issue with
people than the "main" issue. At least many of us are praticing what
we preach "we don't care about their sexual orientation. Only their
skating matters."
Ann Lewis
> I agree with the person who said that it's an ugly way to get outed.
Did anyone honestly have ANY doubt as to Brian Orser's sexual
preference? The best thing about this news is that Trudi is now
officially confirmed to be a F_G H_G. <giggle>
Virginia Blalock
>First of all, I don't think the subject is as amusing as a couple of you seem
>to imply. This is a serious matter, and an innocent person has to suffer
>because of someone acting out of spite.
>
>Secondly, for the record: Brian Orser adored his dogs (which HE had long before
>this person came along). One of the dogs had to be put to sleep for medical
>reasons, and the other one Brian gave to someone close to him when he moved
>from Toronto.
>
>From what I can tell, the rest of the charges against him are equally
>ridiculous, and I hope most fans on this board will give Brian the benefit of
>the doubt before believing everything out there. Everyone who has ever met
>Brian knows what a kind and thoughtful human being he is. How could anyone
>believe such crap about him?
For the record, I am inclined to believe Orser's side of things, not
only because I like Brian the skater and he appears to be a nice guy,
but also because this whole thing sounds like the "get all the money
you can out of my rich and famous ex-boyfriend/girlfriend" scenario we
see all too often in Hollywood.
Sandra Loosemore
> It sounds like this guy is just going after his money. "Killed their
> dogs"? Give me a break. If that's the worst he can come up with, my
> guess is that this break-up is just your average messy break-up.
It sounds to me like this lawsuit was really a thinly-disguised
attempt to blackmail Orser over his orientation. I'd guess it was
probably initiated as a threat to get him to settle out-of-court as an
alternative to public disclosure, rather than because there's any real
merit in the case. To me, the claims this guy is making sound totally
pathetic, at least.
I think Orser is to be commended for quietly standing up to his
blackmailer and letting the facts come out into the open, instead of
acting as if he has a terrible secret he must hide at all costs, both
in terms of money and his own conscience. I find it pretty telling
that people are more upset about the charges that he did away with the
dogs than about the revelation of his sexual orientation! I think
this can only be an affirmation that he did the right thing, and that
this could turn out to be a liberating experience for him in terms of
his skating as well as his sense of himself. In fact I have to wonder
if the extra freedom and joy we saw in his skating last weekend was
there because he had already made his decision and knew this was going
to happen. Whatever. I just want to see him skate like that some
more.
-Sandra
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probably having fallen in love with Buddy, who we got when he was 12 weeks old
(he was tossed from a car into a corn field as we were walking by the field);
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Fiona McQuarrie
: I think Orser is to be commended for quietly standing up to his
: blackmailer and letting the facts come out into the open, instead of
: acting as if he has a terrible secret he must hide at all costs, both
: in terms of money and his own conscience. I find it pretty telling
: that people are more upset about the charges that he did away with the
: dogs than about the revelation of his sexual orientation! I think
: this can only be an affirmation that he did the right thing, and that
: this could turn out to be a liberating experience for him in terms of
: his skating as well as his sense of himself. In fact I have to wonder
: if the extra freedom and joy we saw in his skating last weekend was
: there because he had already made his decision and knew this was going
: to happen. Whatever. I just want to see him skate like that some
: more.
Well, I am not sure about the blackmail (although, Sandra, I agree with
everything else you've said.) One detail in the original article which I
mentioned is that the suit was filed in January and it was only because
some news organizations petitioned the court that the names of the
"participants" were revealed this week.
I am no expert on the Ontario court system (although I am sure the TROLL
will soon morph into one) but I believe in B.C., at least, if the names of
the parties are not in the public record, they can only be revealed if the
parties both agree or if the court decides it is in the public interest.
So as far as I know Orser's ex-BF would have no power (at least through
the court) to have the names revealed unless Orser also agreed, which
obviously he didn't. It was apparently only the motion filed by the news
organizations which caused the names to be made public.
That said, I agree that it seems pretty obvious this is a bitter divorce
situation. The guy has a good job at the Canadian Imperial Bank of
Commerce, so he's not going to be rattling a tin cup for change
on the corner because Orser isn's supporting him.
Cheers, Fiona
TCAXEL
on with his life. And now that he's out--well, let that be a reminder to all
the other skaters (like someone else said): first, the best of relationships
can suddenly blow up. Second, *anyone* can become your enemy. And third,
secrets are very, very hard to keep.
Well, if his skating at Masters is any indication, he certainly performed as
well as ever with this hanging over his head. Interesting premise brought out
by Sandra, that having no more secrets could have actually helped his skating.
Sort of that "being true to yourself " business? However, someone posted and
said this has happened to him before with his previous lover. In fact they
might have even quoted Brian. Does this mean he had been previously outed
already? Or was the alleged previous problem not revealed in the media?
TCAXEL (THEo)
Dave Amorde
Sandra Loosemore wrote in message <7ou7lws...@shell2.shore.net>...
<snip>
>In fact I have to wonder
>if the extra freedom and joy we saw in his skating last weekend was
>there because he had already made his decision and knew this was going
>to happen. Whatever. I just want to see him skate like that some
>more.
>
Amen! Frankly, my first concern when I first heard the story was that it
might impact his skating. I think you're right, however, that may have been
a recent source of inspiration. Either way, his recent performance was a joy
to watch, and I only want more. Fight on, Brian!
-Dave-
Revjoelle
>people than the "main" issue. At least many of us are praticing what
>we preach "we don't care about their sexual orientation. Only their
>skating matters."
No. I think what really matters is how you treat your dogs :-)
Joelle
"Whoever you like is the best skater in the world."
Scott Hamilton
Chelsea Christenson
>
> *sigh* go here:
>
> http://www.canoe.ca/SlamSkating/nov18_ors.html
>
So, housekeeping duties are detrimental to one's career? File this
under "things Mom never told me."
Ellen B. Edgerton
: So as far as I know Orser's ex-BF would have no power (at least through
: the court) to have the names revealed unless Orser also agreed, which
: obviously he didn't. It was apparently only the motion filed by the news
: organizations which caused the names to be made public.
Mm, mm, mm. Gotta love that Canadian media!
Attention, all upcoming Canadian skating stars -- we'd love to have you
here in the U.S. where the press can't even spell your names right --
defect while you still have the chance!!!
Sarah Weinman
> Well, if his skating at Masters is any indication, he certainly performed as
> well as ever with this hanging over his head. Interesting premise brought out
> by Sandra, that having no more secrets could have actually helped his skating.
> Sort of that "being true to yourself " business? However, someone posted and
> said this has happened to him before with his previous lover. In fact they
> might have even quoted Brian. Does this mean he had been previously outed
> already? Or was the alleged previous problem not revealed in the media?
Theo, I agree-maybe his decision to finally let the lawsuit go public (because for
all that the media petitioned for the names to be made public, *someone* had to
give the go-ahead) has made Brian refocus his energy into skating and rediscover
the joy in it. I wonder--will other skaters be able to come to terms with their
lives, preferences (whatever they are, straight or gay), and translate it into
great skating?
Sarah, who really wishes she could have seen Masters......
Trudi Marrapodi
marcu...@aol.com (Marcusfam1) wrote:
> >palimony by
> >the guy he lived with until 1997.
> >
>
> Palimony !! Guess the gay rumors are true !!<G>
>
> Harriet
Gosh golly gee! Once again, Harriet believes everything she reads! And of
course, all that dog stuff (figuratively) flew right over her head!
Go home, Harriet--back to your lengthy magazine article about the
hush-hush passionate love affair between Brian Boitano and Katarina Witt.
Wouldn't want to interrup your reading now!
Trudi
Trudi Marrapodi
blad...@aol.com (BladeArt) wrote:
> First of all, I don't think the subject is as amusing as a couple of you seem
> to imply. This is a serious matter, and an innocent person has to suffer
> because of someone acting out of spite.
>
> Secondly, for the record: Brian Orser adored his dogs (which HE had long
before
> this person came along). One of the dogs had to be put to sleep for medical
> reasons, and the other one Brian gave to someone close to him when he moved
> from Toronto.
>
> From what I can tell, the rest of the charges against him are equally
> ridiculous, and I hope most fans on this board will give Brian the benefit of
> the doubt before believing everything out there. Everyone who has ever met
> Brian knows what a kind and thoughtful human being he is. How could anyone
> believe such crap about him?
Well, BladeArt is right. The way I see it, it's not funny, and while I'm
sure some gossip-mongers will have a field day, and those who are always
ready, willing and able to believe the worst of everyone, the more
virtuous-appearing the better (I won't name names, but one of them spells
hers A-N-N L-E-W-I-S) will also dance and sing, I don't see any cause for
it.
Obviously, some take delight in the misfortunes of others. Others choose
to believe what they have seen of a person so far, and give the benefit of
the doubt, even when not privy to the whole story.
Actually, seeing that a lot of people here appear to belong to the latter
group rather than the former is restoring my faith in skatefandom.
Trudi
Trudi Marrapodi
> Let's just remember that this may be not be true. It could be
> sensationalistic
> journalism. Let's not hang him yet.
That it certainly is. The media dragged this story out. It's obvious that
they were the ones demanding names to be released in this case. That's
because the Sun newspapers in Canada just couldn't wait to have a juicy
celebrity name to drag through the mud.
Trudi
Sk8Maven
> >> Let's not hang him yet.
Anjule:
> >Let's hang him NOW. It would be fun to see Trudi flip out. <giggle>
Dave Fraser:
> I have a picture of Brian somewhere. I'm going to hang it right on the
> wall here over my computer. Why would Trudi flip out over that???
I've had a painting of him (that I did myself) hanging on my wall for
some time. I bet Trudi would flip *for* that! :-)
Maven
Sk8Maven
> I am absolutely sure that Brian Orser has been "out" for quite some
> time. I remember seeing something on this in the late 80's or early
> 90's. This was pre-Rudy.
I don't recall his ever previously making a formal statement on the
matter. Most of us drew our own conclusions about him long ago (I know I
did), and only an irresponsible few chattered about it -- the rest kept
quiet because it was his decision how much to reveal and when to do so,
and until he did, it was none of our business.
Rumors? Yes, there have always been rumors. At least now everything is
out in the open and there won't be any more whispers behind backs. That
is one good thing to have come of a regrettably messy situation.
Maven
Sk8Maven
> > I agree with the person who said that it's an ugly way to get outed.
>
> Did anyone honestly have ANY doubt as to Brian Orser's sexual
> preference?
Probably not, but *most* of us had the good taste to keep quiet until he
himself went public about it. Then again, Annie can't even spell "good
taste", let alone understand what it means.
Maven
Lorrie Kim
Ellen B. Edgerton <ebed...@mailbox.syr.edu> wrote:
>Ummm... do you distinguish between "out" and "outed"? Or does Orser
>appearing in court after being dragged there by a vengeful ex count as a
>"voluntary" coming out?
Good question, Ellen.
Orser is not on my website because of this lawsuit. He
is there because he was quoted as acknowledging the relationship.
That was a voluntary public statement. If he had maintained silence
or denied being gay, I would have left him off the website.
Lorrie Kim
mine...@pacbell.net
>
> lor...@plover.com (Lorrie Kim) writes:
>
> > It sounds like this guy is just going after his money. "Killed their
> > dogs"? Give me a break. If that's the worst he can come up with, my
> > guess is that this break-up is just your average messy break-up.
>
> It sounds to me like this lawsuit was really a thinly-disguised
> attempt to blackmail Orser over his orientation. I'd guess it was
> probably initiated as a threat to get him to settle out-of-court as an
> alternative to public disclosure, rather than because there's any real
> merit in the case. To me, the claims this guy is making sound totally
> pathetic, at least.
Sounds like the boyfriend is a "gold digger".
They have just been together five years, and the guy
wants everything he can get out of Orser.
The claim that Leask was forced to do the housework and thereby
lost out on a promotion sounds kind of strange.
... Apparently same sex relationships are not exempt from the gold
digger phenomena.
RJ
wrote:
>> Did anyone honestly have ANY doubt as to Brian Orser's sexual
>> preference?
>
>Probably not, but *most* of us had the good taste to keep quiet until he
>himself went public about it. Then again, Annie can't even spell "good
>taste", let alone understand what it means.
You don't censor this matter out of "good taste." You are doing it
because you want to be in denial as long as possible because it would
ruin your fantasies about male skaters. If you people had "good taste"
you wouldn't spend so much time going out of your way to bash Tara and
other skaters. I'm seeing through your bullshit.
Sk8Maven
> >> Did anyone honestly have ANY doubt as to Brian Orser's sexual
> >> preference?
Sk8maven (me):
> >Probably not, but *most* of us had the good taste to keep quiet until
> >he himself went public about it. Then again, Annie can't even spell
> >"good taste", let alone understand what it means.
RJ:
> You don't censor this matter out of "good taste." You are doing it
> because you want to be in denial as long as possible because it would
> ruin your fantasies about male skaters. If you people had "good taste"
> you wouldn't spend so much time going out of your way to bash Tara and
> other skaters. I'm seeing through your bullshit.
Ricky-baby, you don't know one bit more about "good taste" than Annie
does, and you're SOOO predictable. *EVERYTHING* in your universe
revolves around Tara Lipinski, whether it has anything to do with her or
not -- and this does *NOT*.
For the record, the only person "in denial" here is YOU.
Maven
RJ
>Maven:
>>The dogs are what bother me most - I hope Brian's side of it is more
>>accurate. Anyone who would have an animal killed just because it has
>>become an "inconvenience" is a really slimy critter, IMHO.
I think you are trying to deflect the main issue by talking about the
dogs. As for myself I'm going to put that aside until it's proven.
RJ
wrote:
>
>Pat C wrote:
>
>> Let's not hang him yet.
>
>Let's hang him NOW. It would be fun to see Trudi flip out. <giggle>
>
>AJL, moral conscience of rssif
She's already flipping out. She can't stand other people talking about
Gay male figure skaters. It wounds her emotionally. She is devastated.
Guess what Trudi? You can't shut me up! Gay skaters gay skaters gay
skaters gay skaters.
RJ
(Virginia Blalock) wrote:
>You know, it is almost nice that the dogs are more of an issue with
>people than the "main" issue. At least many of us are praticing what
>we preach "we don't care about their sexual orientation. Only their
>skating matters."
They are trying to make the dogs the main issue because they'd rather
talk about anything rather than homosexual male figure skaters.
Kaiju
Well, it should be obvious why Ricky has such fascination with male gay
skaters. After all, it was he who boldly, while typing with one hand, advised
the participants of RSSIF to peruse www.hotmen.com. He must spend much time
there.
There is a definite pattern here as it pertains to Ricky's favorite issues,
wouldn't you agree?
Kaiju
--
Before you think, think.
Kaiju
>
> <<Seriously, I would have to boycott his skating as a matter of principle!!
> As much as I love Woody Allen's movies, I haven't seen one since he started
> "dating" his step-daughter. Sicko.
> >>
>
> not skating related but I heard he and mia were never actually married...it was
> commonwealth
I believe you mean "common-law".
It's still off-topic, but Allen had taken on the role of stepfather to
Farrow's children. Due to this, many people have found the relationship
rather nauseating.
Pat C
Ann Lewis wrote in message <3653B0...@erols.com>...
>>
>What's DISGUSTING is what Brian allegedly did to innocent animals, and
>Trudi's attempt to divert the issue.
And what did he do? Show me proof, show me url's, show me charges
laid by the spca.
I am DELIGHTED that Brian has been
>forced to acknowledge his queerness publicly this way. If his income
>"irreparably suffers" as a result, that will be the proverbial icing on
>the cake. GO BACK TO CANADA, BRIAN, AND STAY OUT OF THE U.S.!!!!!
Damn the sun newspapers, damn that columnist who wrote the story.
Damn people who have no more compassion and understanding than
a rock.
Pat C
I know - I fed the troll...........
shel...@my-dejanews.com
Ann Lewis <ajl...@erols.com> wrote:
> Brian Orser is SCUM. 'Nuff said. <g>
>
> AJL, moral conscience of rssif
>
You'd be an expert on scum, wouldn't you Ann? <g>
Just like you're an expert on child abuse. You're never going to have a
chance to inflict your twisted morality on a real child, though, because
fortunately no adoption agency is gullible enough to miss seeing what a sick
person you are. <g>
Since no one who isn't related to you will ever have anything to do with you,
you're going to be doomed to leading a lonely, empty life with nothing to keep
you warm but your hellish vitriol. <g>
I'm sure a lot of people here would echo my thinking that the end to your
miserable existence can't come soon enough. <g>
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Marcusfam1
>we just added a fourth cat to our
I T A ! I they are now saying and noticing that crimminals that murder , have
shown a pattern of abusing animals first . One or two states are now treating
kids or teens that do kill pets or animals in hoping to prevent a future murder
.
harriet
LFer688479
attempt to blackmail Orser over his orientation. I'd guess it was
probably initiated as a threat to get him to settle out-of-court as an
alternative to public disclosure, rather than because there's any real
merit in the case. To me, the claims this guy is making sound totally
pathetic, at least.
I think Orser is to be commended for quietly standing up to his
blackmailer and letting the facts come out into the open, instead of
acting as if he has a terrible secret he must hide at all costs, both
in terms of money and his own conscience. I find it pretty telling
that people are more upset about the charges that he did away with the
dogs than about the revelation of his sexual orientation! I think
this can only be an affirmation that he did the right thing, and that
this could turn out to be a liberating experience for him in terms of
his skating as well as his sense of himself. In fact I have to wonder
if the extra freedom and joy we saw in his skating last weekend was
there because he had already made his decision and knew this was going
to happen. Whatever. I just want to see him skate like that some
more.
-Sandra>>
Exactly. It sounds like Brian is taking the high road, regardless of the
repercussions that may ensue. He could have easily paid the guy off, and gone
about his business, but it looks like he chose not to.
Kudos to Brian for that.
SchnellJan
>
>Harriet
I am absolutely sure that Brian Orser has been "out" for quite some time. I
NNRathbun
blackmail ... One detail in the original article which I
>mentioned is that the suit was filed in January and it was only because some
news organizations petitioned the court that the names of the "participants"
were revealed this week.
****
That certainly doesn't preclude blackmail. How did the news organizations know
to be interested in the case anyway? They could (emphasize "could") have been
tipped off by the ex and lawyers. This is, of course, a zillion percent
speculation.
Nancy
Tmoms
deciding anyone is scum of the earth would be a prudent move--in *any*
circumstance, not just this one.>>
No kidding. I'm not a big Orser fan, but as presented here, I'm thinking,
"Jeeze, no lawyer would even take on such a case if there were not deep pockets
to be mined! And the bit about the dogs is facially absurd. Brian Orser can
certainly afford to have his dogs adopted. My GOODNESS, these divorce/palimony
lawyers can get down and dirty.
Tmoms
Marcusfam1
>hush-hush passionate love affair between Brian Boitano and Katarina Witt.
>Wouldn't want to interrup your reading now!
>
>Trudi
>
are more interesting than mine .
Harriet
>
>
>
>
Tohdturtel
SchnellJan
>matter.
I don't know about a statement, it has been a long time since I saw it. But I
can tell you this, that my memory of it was that he spoke about it. It was in
conjunction with his confidence problems, which was the thrust of the story.
It was one of those moments when I said "wow, what incredible courage".
Remember, this was close to ten years ago.
Karen Frank
I don't think you are giving yourself enough credit, Harriet. Your
posts were certainly as interesting as Annie's. In fact, I can
imagine the two of you having a nice slumber party and <giggling> over
the tabloids.
Karen
WIsil
>officially confirmed to be a F_G H_G
Dare I ask????? What does this mean?
Wendy
"Pick a little, talk a little, pick a little, talk a little, cheep cheep cheep,
talk a lot, pick a little more!"
The ladies of River City
Michalle S Gould
: On 18 Nov 1998 15:39:19 -0500, ebed...@newstand.syr.edu (Ellen B.
: Edgerton) wrote:
:
: >Sk8Maven (sk8m...@monumental.com) wrote:
: >
: >: The dogs are what bother me most - I hope Brian's side of it is more
: >: accurate. Anyone who would have an animal killed just because it has
: >: become an "inconvenience" is a really slimy critter, IMHO.
: >What if Brian's side of it *isn't* accurate? Is he going to hell?
: >
: >Just wondering. :-)
:
: You know, it is almost nice that the dogs are more of an issue with
: people than the "main" issue. At least many of us are praticing what
: we preach "we don't care about their sexual orientation. Only their
: skating matters."
:
:
Well - their skating and apparently whether or not they take care of
their dogs!
:)
Michalle
OperettaJK
I find it utterly ironic that I just said last week that Brian Orser looks like
Rock Hudson (Excuse my spelling. I learned his name in Chinese while really
young and don't really know the exact English spelling.). And to think both
were forced to go public......
Jas
Heather Holder
>
> Pat C wrote:
>
> > Let's not hang him yet.
>
> Let's hang him NOW. It would be fun to see Trudi flip out. <giggle>
Fun in what way, Annie? You mean like your posts? No, wait, that would
be obnoxious...
<giggle>
Heather
(growing increasingly bored with our dear Ann's posts...)
--
************
Heather Holder
sk8...@hotmail.com
http://www.geocities.com/~heather77
"All I know how to do is skate." -- Roz Sumners
Michelle
Chelsea Christenson wrote:
> Pat C wrote:
> >
> > *sigh* go here:
> >
> > http://www.canoe.ca/SlamSkating/nov18_ors.html
> >
>
> So, housekeeping duties are detrimental to one's career? File this
> under "things Mom never told me."
ROFLOL!
That's the best laugh I've ever had from this newsgroup.
Thanks!
Michelle (wondering how she can make this work for her...)
--
"I have seen Hell, and it is Candy Corn!!"
-Figureskates the Weatherman
Trudi Marrapodi
> > >Pat C wrote:
> > >> Let's not hang him yet.
>
> Anjule:
> > >Let's hang him NOW. It would be fun to see Trudi flip out. <giggle>
>
> Dave Fraser:
> > I have a picture of Brian somewhere. I'm going to hang it right on the
> > wall here over my computer. Why would Trudi flip out over that???
>
> I've had a painting of him (that I did myself) hanging on my wall for
> some time. I bet Trudi would flip *for* that! :-)
>
> Maven
I guess if you want to put it that way, I've hung Brian many, many times.
No wonder he wants to shoot me. ;-)
Trudi
Trudi Marrapodi
> Sandra Loosemore wrote:
> >
> > lor...@plover.com (Lorrie Kim) writes:
> >
> > > It sounds like this guy is just going after his money. "Killed their
> > > dogs"? Give me a break. If that's the worst he can come up with, my
> > > guess is that this break-up is just your average messy break-up.
> >
> > It sounds to me like this lawsuit was really a thinly-disguised
> > attempt to blackmail Orser over his orientation. I'd guess it was
> > probably initiated as a threat to get him to settle out-of-court as an
> > alternative to public disclosure, rather than because there's any real
> > merit in the case. To me, the claims this guy is making sound totally
> > pathetic, at least.
>
> Sounds like the boyfriend is a "gold digger".
Yeah, and if I wree Brian, I'd be tempted to make a joke out of it: "He's
digging for gold from a guy who won all that silver." ;-)
> They have just been together five years, and the guy
> wants everything he can get out of Orser.
That's what makes it especially absurd. There are women who put their
husbands through med school or the MBA, just to get dumped for a trophy
wife after he became successful. This is obviously NOT such a case.
> The claim that Leask was forced to do the housework and thereby
> lost out on a promotion sounds kind of strange.
I don't think there's a thing to it.
> ... Apparently same sex relationships are not exempt from the gold
> digger phenomena.
Of course not, and we've seen it before, so it should be obvious. With
that little soupcon of blackmail thrown in.
Trudi
Trudi Marrapodi
tohdt...@aol.com (Tohdturtel) wrote:
That would be "common-law."
Trudi
Trudi Marrapodi
> On Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:04:12 -0500, Sk8Maven <sk8m...@monumental.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> Did anyone honestly have ANY doubt as to Brian Orser's sexual
> >> preference?
> >
> >Probably not, but *most* of us had the good taste to keep quiet until he
> >himself went public about it. Then again, Annie can't even spell "good
> >taste", let alone understand what it means.
>
> You don't censor this matter out of "good taste." You are doing it
> because you want to be in denial as long as possible because it would
> ruin your fantasies about male skaters. If you people had "good taste"
> you wouldn't spend so much time going out of your way to bash Tara and
> other skaters. I'm seeing through your bullshit.
Ah, Ricky, we knew we could count on ya! :-)
Trudi
Trudi Marrapodi
schne...@aol.com (SchnellJan) wrote:
You have a poor memory, because he didn't.
Trudi
Trudi Marrapodi
> On Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:46:13 -0600, "Pat C" <pcol...@t2.net> wrote:
>
> >Maven:
> >>The dogs are what bother me most - I hope Brian's side of it is more
> >>accurate. Anyone who would have an animal killed just because it has
> >>become an "inconvenience" is a really slimy critter, IMHO.
>
> I think you are trying to deflect the main issue by talking about the
> dogs. As for myself I'm going to put that aside until it's proven.
Why Ricky, how honorable of you...I think.
Anyway, we can put that aside right now. Anyone with a copy of Brian
Orser's 1991 CBC special "Skating Free" can see his dogs right there in
the opening credits (Brian passes them while skating under the movie
marquee with Katarina Witt's name on it). A pair of Finnish Spitzes being
walked. The fans have known for years that those were his dogs.
That show was taped in 1991. Before the relationship in question started
in 1992.
That part of the case, at least, should be open and shut. Even if Brian
were the kind of person to put dogs to sleep out of spite (which he
isn't), why would he do it to his own dogs?
Trudi
Ellen B. Edgerton
: Good question, Ellen.
: Orser is not on my website because of this lawsuit. He
: is there because he was quoted as acknowledging the relationship.
: That was a voluntary public statement. If he had maintained silence
: or denied being gay, I would have left him off the website.
Was he under oath to tell the truth?
Possibly not, but somehow I don't feel one can really count this case as a
"voluntary" public statement. It seems obvious to me that Orser would
rather not have gone on the public record about his orientation. He tried
and failed to get the case records sealed.
What is required for making your list, anyway? Simply saying "I'm gay?"
If I'm not mistaken your list is for people who have "gone on record about
their gay orientation," but did Orser actually make a statement to that
effect, or did he simply acknowledge the details of one homosexual
relationship? What would happen if some male skater said in an interview,
"I kissed Rudy Galindo on the mouth backstage at COI"? Would that
automatically make him eligible for the list?
I guess I wouldn't have these questions if Orser had not been added to
your list so summarily and swiftly, but now that I have them, I guess I'll
ask them. Realistically, I don't believe these questions really apply to
Orser's case, although I don't recall him discussing in these news stories
anything but the details of the case, not "my homosexuality." What if
Orser, despite these relationships alluded to, did not categorize himself
as "gay"? Would he still belong on the list?
Don't get me wrong, I think your website is an idea whose time has come,
but I've always been curious about The List and why people are on it.
Humbly I suggest that the issues would be much better served if you
refrained from putting people on a "list" and instead made the effort to
mention people's "coming out" -- or *apparent* "coming out" -- in more
detail. No two people are alike. I don't like anything that telescopes
the experiences of real people into something that narrow. How can you
call your site "Rainbow Ice" which is a term that implies many gradations
and variations in experience and orientation, and yet have such a feature
that blandly assumes "Gay and Out," cut and dried, with no further
exploration presented to your audience?
Love the site, love the mentions of gay skaters for informational
purposes. Hate "The List."
SchnellJan
>
>Trudi
>
So, are you saying you saw the same segment? No. It was pretty definite on
that program and they weren't doing a "sensationalized" commentary.
Marcusfam1
>were forced to go public......
I'm sure other skaters will be " forced " to go public someday and they can't
stay in the closet forever !
Harriet
Marcusfam1
>I don't think you are giving yourself enough credit, Harriet. Your
>posts were certainly as interesting as Annie's. In fact, I can
>imagine the two of you having a nice slumber party and <giggling> over
>the tabloids.
>
>Karen
>
!! Ann and I would have a grand old time <G>!
Harriet
>
>
>
>
Marcusfam1
>Guess what Trudi? You can't shut me up! Gay skaters gay skaters gay
>skaters gay skaters.
I just bet there are alot more gay male skaters out there and we haven't heard
about it yet ! Waiting for more shoes , oops , skates to drop !<G>
Harriet
RJ
> I'm sure other skaters will be " forced " to go public someday and they can't
>stay in the closet forever !
>
>Harriet
Have you heard any news stories or anything about any of them having
boyfriends or "roommates", besides Orser and Galindo?
ghg...@northnet.org
they might have received in a divorce settlement had their been a marriage.
Has anyone ever "won" one of these. Seems as if they are usually settled out
of court.
But my question is, if there was no possibility of a legal marriage, does
either party have grounds for a "palimony" suit.?
Just curious.
Fred
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>breakup and he wants compensation for that too.
I couldn't care less that Brian Orser is gay, or that anyone else is either,
but if this is true and the dogs were not in anyway too sick or old to be
adopted by someone else, my respect for Orser is now gone--which is
unfortunate, because I really loved the expression and compassion in his
skating. He even made me like Neil Diamond. Too bad he may not have that kind
of compassion for two dogs who once shared his life and may have been fatally
punished for a break-up that happened between two humans.
Saddened, SallyH
Sally4sbb
>"happily" in a new home while the other was put down on a vet's
>advice.>>
About the dogs. Good, I was a little too angry at the moment I wrote my
previous response. I certainly hope the above is true.
SallyH
Sally4sbb
>: > What if Brian's side of it *isn't* accurate? Is he going to hell?
>: >
>So such a person would be *closer* to hell, you're saying? I mean, you
>ARE referring to "lower" here, I assume that's what you're implying. (It
>should be understood that "hell" in this instance means "the place that is
>farthest away from my good person").
I don't get it. What does hell have to do with anything. Can't Sk8Maven (and
many other people) think that putting down dogs just because they are an
inconvenience is enough to cause us to no longer respect said person any long
without it being about Judgement with a Capital J? I just don't get the
question/reference.
SallyH
Sally4sbb
RSSIFers being afraid to talk about gay male skaters? Do you have issues??
Frankly, I would hazard a guess that most skating fans are extremely accepting
about skater's sexuality and couldn't give a rip what they do in their free
time. Being a skating fan means dealing with and fighting against the
stereotype that male skaters and other male artistic performers are gay.
That's the way it has always been. So, most skating fans don't even think it
is an issue and it shouldn't be and isn't. Why you keep implying that it is,
is beyond me.
SallyH
Sk8Maven
Well, there's still one point about the dog situation that bothers me,
and it has more to do with the putative character of Orser's current
Significant Other than anything else. If someone were to invite me to
live with them and insist as a precondition that I give up my cat --
well, sorry, but I'd stick with the cat. If someone really loves *you*,
they'll take you as you are -- dogs/cats and all.
Maven
Sk8Maven
> >Have you heard any news stories or anything about any of them having
> >boyfriends or "roommates", besides Orser and Galindo?
RonNgNoz wrote:
> I've heard a lot about Brian Boitano's boyfriend.
You shouldn't encourage Ricky, Drip.
General statement: There have always been rumors about Brian B, too, and
there probably will always be rumors until he's too old for it to
matter, or until the day when he steps up to the microphone and publicly
declares his orientation one way or the other.
The sad thing is that if he states that he's gay, everyone will believe
him -- but if he states that he's straight, some people will *not*
believe him.
Maven
Virginia Blalock
So, you're writing Brian off because there is a possibility of this? I
would not be so quick to judge. Besides, I am more inclined to believe
Brian's side to this if only for the reason that the ex sounds like a
goldigger out for lots of money from a famous ex-lover.
Virginia
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RJ
>RJ, why on earth do you persist on making this ridiculous statement about
>RSSIFers being afraid to talk about gay male skaters? Do you have issues??
Yes I have an issue. My issue is the attempted censorship by some
arrogant women on this newsgroup. How dare you say it is ridiculous
when it is an overwhelming fact? One might think they are getting paid
by gay figure skaters not to talk about it. Every time someone brings
up the subject they are called trolls and all attempts are made to
deflect the discussion by talking about things like dogs and chairs. A
while back, Trudi went out of her way to call someone a troll when he
asked if Orser was gay. Now we find out Orser had at least two long
term gay relationships. To me this just makes Trudi look like a jerk.
Somehow they have decided to declare gay male skaters "protected
species," while declaring open hunting season on Oksana & Tara. Well I
now declare gay male figure skaters a subject that is fully open to
discussion. That's MY FAQ. Lets dig up all the stories we can find on
them and pass them on to RSSIF. You can bet if I find anything I'll
pass it on. (BTW Paul Wylie getting engaged doesn't mean he's not gay.
Elton John got married.)
PegLewis
>Somehow they have decided to declare gay male skaters "protected
>species," while declaring open hunting season on Oksana & Tara.
I had no idea that Oksana and Tara were linked in some prurient fashion. Have
you a URL, Ricky? Or are you spreading rumors?
Peg, curious
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Virginia Blalock
>>And to think both
>>were forced to go public......
>
> I'm sure other skaters will be " forced " to go public someday and they can't
>stay in the closet forever !
Why do you care so much about whether they do or don't?
Virginia Blalock
>RJ, why on earth do you persist on making this ridiculous statement about
>RSSIFers being afraid to talk about gay male skaters? Do you have issues??
>Frankly, I would hazard a guess that most skating fans are extremely accepting
>about skater's sexuality and couldn't give a rip what they do in their free
>time. Being a skating fan means dealing with and fighting against the
>stereotype that male skaters and other male artistic performers are gay.
>That's the way it has always been. So, most skating fans don't even think it
>is an issue and it shouldn't be and isn't. Why you keep implying that it is,
>is beyond me.
Ricky seems to think that all the women fantasize about our fave
skaters like he does about his. In general, though, women usually are
MORE accepting of gay men that other men are.
Virginia Blalock
(Virginia Blalock) wrote:
>On 19 Nov 1998 13:56:20 GMT, sall...@aol.com (Sally4sbb) wrote:
>
>>>He also says that Orser had the couple's dogs put to sleep after the
>>>breakup and he wants compensation for that too.
>>
>>I couldn't care less that Brian Orser is gay, or that anyone else is either,
>>but if this is true and the dogs were not in anyway too sick or old to be
>>adopted by someone else, my respect for Orser is now gone--which is
>>unfortunate, because I really loved the expression and compassion in his
>>skating. He even made me like Neil Diamond. Too bad he may not have that kind
>>of compassion for two dogs who once shared his life and may have been fatally
>>punished for a break-up that happened between two humans.
>
>So, you're writing Brian off because there is a possibility of this? I
>would not be so quick to judge. Besides, I am more inclined to believe
>Brian's side to this if only for the reason that the ex sounds like a
>goldigger out for lots of money from a famous ex-lover.
>
I wrote this before seeing your other message. Sorry!
Virginia Blalock
wrote:
>General statement: There have always been rumors about Brian B, too, and
>there probably will always be rumors until he's too old for it to
>matter, or until the day when he steps up to the microphone and publicly
>declares his orientation one way or the other.
What I don't like is that skaters get this treatment like no others.
Why isn't anyone wondering why say Mark McGuire is gay? Well, it's
because baseball players are assumed to be straight.
>The sad thing is that if he states that he's gay, everyone will believe
>him -- but if he states that he's straight, some people will *not*
>believe him.
Yup. This is part of the reason lots of us don't want to get into all
the speculating. Like someone mentioned before, even if a straight
skater took his girlfriend and banged her time and time again in front
of everyone, there would still be those saying, "Oh, he's just doing
this to hide the TRUTH."
RJ
(Virginia Blalock) wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:30:26 -0500, Sk8Maven <sk8m...@monumental.com>
>wrote:
>
>>General statement: There have always been rumors about Brian B, too, and
>>there probably will always be rumors until he's too old for it to
>>matter, or until the day when he steps up to the microphone and publicly
>>declares his orientation one way or the other.
>What I don't like is that skaters get this treatment like no others.
>Why isn't anyone wondering why say Mark McGuire is gay? Well, it's
>because baseball players are assumed to be straight.
Now you're playing dumb. People know that certain activities are more
feminine in nature, because a lot more women are interested in those
activities than men are. Baseball is predominantly a male sport. I
don't recall ever seeing a baseball player flame around like Rudy
does.
RJ
>Me too, to quote our beloved Hog Doodle (resident philosopher of rssif),
>
>"Whoe gives a flying fart whos gaiy or not"
>
>Donna Stephansky
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