Rosenberg dumps Tonya as a client
Oscar
memories of her skating? Let the eulogies begin!
I think Tonya will start cashing in on her notoriety now, taking some of the
*shaddy* job offers she turned down in the past. We'll see her pose for
Playboy, wrestle for the WWF, and become a B-movie queen.
http://www.bladesonice.com/mag/blaweb1.htm You have to scroll down a bit.
It's basically just a little blurb saying as of March 1 they have parted
company, and he wishes her the best.
--
Oscar
Fiona McQuarrie
: Pose for Playboy? I don't know, they might actually demand more class.
: Wrestle for the WWF? Do they want a liability like her?
I see an excellent opportunity for her in working with Kurt Angle, the
1996 Olympic wrestling medalist who is now a WWF "superstar". Besides,
Tonya has implants, which seem to be one of the requirements for the WWF
ladies :)
Cheers, Fiona
kbra...@binghamton.edu
> changed its spots. It could whitewash them for a while, but they never
> really went away. And another person who took pity on her situation and
> respected her considerable talent was led down the garden path and has had
> his reputation considerably stained by his association with her.
Do you really think Rosenberg's reputation has suffered? I'm not sure
that I would agree. It would be one thing if he continued to have an
association with her...but, really, taking her on years after the 1994
events didn't seem to hurt his reputation at all. I'm also not sure that
he took pity on her situation -- but perhaps I'm just cynical about
agents. Rosenberg may well be a stand-up guy, but I suspect he took on
Tonya because he thought she was more marketable than she in fact turned
out to be.
-- Kate
Sandra Loosemore
> Do you really think Rosenberg's reputation has suffered? I'm not sure
> that I would agree. It would be one thing if he continued to have an
> association with her...but, really, taking her on years after the 1994
> events didn't seem to hurt his reputation at all. I'm also not sure that
> he took pity on her situation -- but perhaps I'm just cynical about
> agents. Rosenberg may well be a stand-up guy, but I suspect he took on
> Tonya because he thought she was more marketable than she in fact turned
> out to be.
Well, I was personally a little disgusted that Rosenburg would try to
lend Harding the respectability of his services at all. Yeah, I know
he's in business to make money, but I kind of felt sorry for the other
skaters he represents who had to appear with Harding in that pro
competition circus he arranged last fall; most of them aren't in the
position where they can afford to be too fussy about the kinds of work
they're offered. As for him dumping Harding now, it may just be the
result of realizing that her usefulness to him is at an end. Anyway,
agents have their uses, I guess, but after this whole episode I guess
I would be more inclined to council skaters to think long and hard
before they sign with Rosenburg, in spite of having heard generally
good things about him from one of his other clients.
-Sandra
Trudi Marrapodi
<kbra...@binghamton.edu> wrote:
> > Well, as has been so often true of Tonya in the past, the leopard has not
> > changed its spots. It could whitewash them for a while, but they never
> > really went away. And another person who took pity on her situation and
> > respected her considerable talent was led down the garden path and has had
> > his reputation considerably stained by his association with her.
>
> Do you really think Rosenberg's reputation has suffered? I'm not sure
> that I would agree. It would be one thing if he continued to have an
> association with her...but, really, taking her on years after the 1994
> events didn't seem to hurt his reputation at all.
I think only time will tell.
> I'm also not sure that
> he took pity on her situation -- but perhaps I'm just cynical about
> agents. Rosenberg may well be a stand-up guy, but I suspect he took on
> Tonya because he thought she was more marketable than she in fact turned
> out to be.
>
> -- Kate
Well, that too, but if you listen to folks like Lorrie Kim, you get the
impression that Rosenberg is a nice enough guy (I reserve my own judgment
on that matter) that he might have offered to take her back on partly out
of the goodness of his heart, and not just because he thought there was
something there to market. In other words, he didn't just see a pony, he
saw a pile of manure and was willing to do the shoveling to try to find
the pony he hoped was inside. Unfortunately, it appears all he got was the
manure.
--
Trudi
Brian Orser has the Heart of a Guy Who Does Triple Axels--
and He's Not Giving It Back!
God Bless Canada!
lisa smith
incident. Seems to me things were not done and that should have been done
which might be the way of getting her out.
Do you agree Sandra that we should believe a person innocent til proven
guilty and that everything should be done to make sure things done
properly?
To me i think he did a lousy job with some of his other high profile
clients.
Michelle Kwan has a good one who does her justice.
"I smell a dismissal because ie police did not follow certain procedures.
They were supposed to investigate her side of story. Looks like no mention
of what happened to her."
(we got the anti-cybersquatting law on our side. Id say lets use
it...message for Terry HAll)
"Sandra Loosemore" <san...@shore.net> wrote in message
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> <kbra...@binghamton.edu> writes:
>
> > Do you really think Rosenberg's reputation has suffered? I'm not sure
> > that I would agree. It would be one thing if he continued to have an
> > association with her...but, really, taking her on years after the 1994
> > events didn't seem to hurt his reputation at all. I'm also not sure
that
> > he took pity on her situation -- but perhaps I'm just cynical about
> > agents. Rosenberg may well be a stand-up guy, but I suspect he took on
> > Tonya because he thought she was more marketable than she in fact turned
> > out to be.
>
Sk8Maven
> Trudi Marrapodi <marr...@binghamton.edu> wrote:
> : Pose for Playboy? I don't know, they might actually demand more class.
> : Wrestle for the WWF? Do they want a liability like her?
>
> I see an excellent opportunity for her in working with Kurt Angle, the
> 1996 Olympic wrestling medalist who is now a WWF "superstar". Besides,
> Tonya has implants, which seem to be one of the requirements for the WWF
> ladies :)
I still think she ought to take up short-track speedskating. It's
something she could do, and do well, without having to give up the ice
altogether. And she wouldn't be the first short-tracker with a "bad
attitude" and off-ice problems (anyone remember Cathy Turner?).
Maven
Oscar
the kiddies) check out the abomination www.tonyaharding.com has become.
Tonya should sue, and buy her a one-way ticket out of the Northwest. I bet
Tonya would get into less trouble in another part of the country; upstate NY
sounds good to me :-)
--
Oscar
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Trudi Marrapodi
<oscaris...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>More bad, or maybe good news for Tonya! Adults (this is definitely not for
>the kiddies) check out the abomination www.tonyaharding.com has become.
Hey, I just had breakfast.
>Tonya should sue, and buy her a one-way ticket out of the Northwest. I bet
>Tonya would get into less trouble in another part of the country; upstate NY
>sounds good to me :-)
Naah, there's plenty of trouble to get into here.
--
Trudi
"Ho, ho, holy salchow! I want a triple axel for Christmas!"
--Brian Orser dressed as Santa Claus, December 1999
lisa smith
"Trudi Marrapodi" <marr...@binghamton.edu> wrote in message
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Lorrie Kim
Trudi Marrapodi wrote:
> Well, that too, but if you listen to folks like Lorrie Kim, you get the
> impression that Rosenberg is a nice enough guy
Aaagh! I had various good impressions of Rosenberg, but was bewildered after
he re-signed Harding and have been watching quietly ever since. I know nothing of
the thinking that went on there and never will, so I will just continue to watch
and assess.
Lorrie Kim
lor...@plover.com
Fiona McQuarrie
: Aaagh! I had various good impressions of Rosenberg, but was bewildered after
: he re-signed Harding and have been watching quietly ever since. I know nothing of
: the thinking that went on there and never will, so I will just continue to watch
: and assess.
Well, I don't know what went on either, but thinking from a business
standpoint....Rosenberg has had success with signing other skaters who
weren't sure-fire draws (e.g. Jozef Sabovcik), and maybe he figured that
Tonya had had a few years for most of the bad stuff to blow over - and he
knew she could still skate.
But after this hubcap-throwing incident, it's highly unlikely that anyone
is going to want to book her for anything in the skating world - to many
people, it probably indicates that she hasn't changed at all, regardless
of her skating talents. So even if he likes her personally, from a $$
viewpoint I think she is a lost cause, and that may be why he severed
their business relationship.
Cheers, Fiona
Isiafs5
>incident.
Well, the tv report was goofy. I saw the phone call translated into subtitles
on the tv screen. Yet, I heard the boyfriend saying something different that
what was shown on the screen. I heard him saying something like "You're a
convicted felon" and I took this to mean that THs word was worthless against
his. What a sad tale. I certainly hope that she can someday hook up with the
right person.
Sling Skate
Hattie54
>right person.
Sling Skate
I do too but her track record hasn't shown that . She tends to hang out with
losers .
Harriet
LAWigley
Tonya" clauses in skater's contracts.
As for her career (or lack of one), I cannot begin to imagine that anyone will
desire to hire her in the future. Not exactly the image most skating
competitions will want to project.
I know it's tacky (so forgive me or flame away), but can you hear the preview
coverage. Skater X recently beat Skater Y at World's Most Wonderful Skater
Competition, and also competing tonight is Tonya Harding with her most recent
career win of beating her boyfriend. Who will take the gold?
Okay, so I warned you it was tacky...
And what does that reduce her to -- a skating-freak show attraction? Can you
imagine the show "America's Greatest Oddities On Ice" -- Zippy, the dog faced
boy and his trained act of skating poodles followed by "skating's bad girl"
Tonya Harding....
Anyway, Tonya's sort of like the Monica Lewinsky of skating. There's nothing
she's going to be able to do without being ridiculed and hated -- very few
options are left for Tonya.
Missy
Oscar
> she's going to be able to do without being ridiculed and hated -- very few
> options are left for Tonya.
If Tonya joined the WWF, she would generate a ratings bonanza, and big $$$.
Imagine Tonya doing a triple axel in the ring and landing her free leg in
her opponent's stomach! People would pay to watch that! Believe me!
--
Oscar
Fiona McQuarrie
: There's nothing
Well, there *is* a WWF pay per view coming up in early April :)
How do you think Tonya's triple axel would fare against X-Pac's spinning
heel kick?
Cheers, Fiona
DonaldC476
For a long time, I felt that this would have made all the difference in the
world, but she'd never let it happen...
In spite of the fact that I have been a Tonyaphile, methinks it's high time to
let Tonya fade quietly into oblivion, where she perhaps belongs..
For the record, I don't see much parallel between Monica Lewinsky and Tonya. I
think that whole Monica-gate thing was wonderful national entertainment (at
Slick Willie's expense) and have no difficulty at all with Monica getting
awarded an additional 15 minutes of fame. May her Jenny Craig gig drag on at
least another 30 days!!!...
Then again, I may have a deep, Freudian need to collect stray kittens...
Don Cardoza
Oakland, NJ
Donal...@aol.com
Vespertine
<<
Well, the tv report was goofy. I saw the phone call translated into subtitles
on the tv screen. Yet, I heard the boyfriend saying something different that
what was shown on the screen. I heard him saying something like "You're a
convicted felon" and I took this to mean that THs word was worthless against
his. What a sad tale. I certainly hope that she can someday hook up with the
right person.>>
While impuging someone's veracity in a 911 call is indeed unusual, it is a
well-established evidence rule that a felony conviction no more than 10 years
old (from date of conviction or release from prison, whichever is the later) is
probative of credibility, and can be used to impeach a witness at trial. The
specific evidence rule in WA (which is based on the federal rule) is ER 609.
While Washington courts have, in recent years, frowned upon the admission of
felonies that are not in and of themselves indicative of dishonesty (anything
involving theft or fraud), I doubt Oregon has such limitations. Should Tonya H.
take the stand, her prior conviction may be introduced to impeach her
credibility if the court finds that the probative value outweighs any
prejudice.
Oscar
> take the stand, her prior conviction may be introduced to impeach her
> credibility if the court finds that the probative value outweighs any
> prejudice.
The case is being tried in WA, not Oregon.
--
Oscar
Trudi Marrapodi
<pegasu...@ispchannel.com> wrote:
> Trudi copyright laws broken
Huh?!?
Vespertine
<<The case is being tried in WA, not Oregon.>>
I forgot that she lives in WA now. Well, in that case, I seirously doubt that
after State v. King and State v. Hardy, the court will allow Tonya's felony
conviction to come in. OTOH, if she is claiming self-defense, it could come in
for other reasons, but it's doubtful.
This should be an interesting case. In all my years as an attorney, I've only
had one female domestic violence defendant. It's not your typical case.
Kaiju
Judging from what was reported in the National Perspirer...and we know they
are ALWAYS right... Tonya refuses to admit she has an anger management
problem she needs help with. Maybe Rosenberg was among the "family and
friends" who reportedly urged her to seek help. Maybe when she refused and
denied a problem, that caused Rosenberg to give up on her.
Maybe...
Rumors...
Whatever. At this point I don't blame him for wanting out. The girl signs
her name as "SELF-DESTRUCT".
Kaiju <it's a subliminal type message...>
--
Before you think, think.
TCAXEL
>her name as "SELF-DESTRUCT".
>
>
>Kaiju <it's a subliminal type message...>
Along with her middle initial "LOSER MAGNET"
THEO (who wonders if Tonya has thought of staying away from guys for a few
months.)
Terry Hall
Trudi Marrapodi <trudiwan...@clarityconnect.com> wrote in message
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.
> In article <CjPz4.18$5B....@newsin1.ispchannel.com>, "lisa smith"
> <pegasu...@ispchannel.com> wrote:
>
> > Trudi copyright laws broken
>
> Huh?!?
> --
> Trudi
Lisa is referring to the use of the Wedding Night Video stills on the
Tonyaharding.com site. This assumes, of course, that Maxey hasn't bothered
to obtain clearance from Penthouse to use them. Given his run-in with
Playboy over similar issues a few years back, that wouldn't be surprising.
Terry Hall
Head of Special Duties Section
Portland Ice Skating Society - New Zealand's Tonya Harding fan club
http://www.geocities.com/portice
Jim Perry
> Judging from what was reported in the National Perspirer...and we know they
> are ALWAYS right... Tonya refuses to admit she has an anger management
> problem she needs help with. Maybe Rosenberg was among the "family and
> friends" who reportedly urged her to seek help. Maybe when she refused and
> denied a problem, that caused Rosenberg to give up on her.
>
> Maybe...
>
> Rumors...
There was also a report on the same Blades On Ice web site (which
reported the parting between Rosenberg and Harding) that Clear Channel
Communications, Inc. had purchased SFX entertainment (of which Rosenberg
and SFX Skating are a part).
It is just possible that Clear Channels made it a condition of the
purchase that Harding be dropped as a client. All this is sheer
speculation. All that is known for sure is that Tonya Harding, as of now,
has no sports marketing agent.
Jim Perry
blo...@my-deja.com
>
> Well, I was personally a little disgusted that Rosenburg would try to
> lend Harding the respectability of his services at all. Yeah, I know
> he's in business to make money, but I kind of felt sorry for the other
> skaters he represents who had to appear with Harding in that pro
> competition circus he arranged last fall; most of them aren't in the
> position where they can afford to be too fussy about the kinds of work
> they're offered. As for him dumping Harding now, it may just be the
> result of realizing that her usefulness to him is at an end. Anyway,
> agents have their uses, I guess, but after this whole episode I guess
> I would be more inclined to council skaters to think long and hard
> before they sign with Rosenburg, in spite of having heard generally
> good things about him from one of his other clients.
As soon as I heard that Rosenberg had stepped in as
Harding's "advisor," I lost all respect for the man. I know I'm
probably at the end of one continuum, but if my feelings were
representative of others (which I think highly possible), his
reputation was indeed damaged to some extent.
blondee
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
lisa smith
the today show and fox shows are copyrighted
and have a copy of stills on my hd and plan to put them on a zip asap
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lisa smith
A. Finch
>As soon as I heard that Rosenberg had stepped in as
>Harding's "advisor," I lost all respect for the man. I know I'm
>probably at the end of one continuum, but if my feelings were
>representative of others (which I think highly possible), his
>reputation was indeed damaged to some extent.
And yet when she skated her first comeback competition, fans stood and
applauded.
Makes me want to get out a bible and start quoting. But who would
hear?
PegLewis
>
>>As soon as I heard that Rosenberg had stepped in as
>>Harding's "advisor," I lost all respect for the man. I know I'm
>>probably at the end of one continuum, but if my feelings were
>>representative of others (which I think highly possible), his
>>reputation was indeed damaged to some extent.
>
>And yet when she skated her first comeback competition, fans stood and
>applauded.
Yes, and people go to cock fights. What's your point? Different people have
different tastes? Big deal. This person expressed an opinion. Get over it.
>Makes me want to get out a bible and start quoting. But who would
>hear?
More importantly, who would care to watch you do your thing yet again. You grow
tiresome.
Peg
Oscar
skating career back together again, especially if she beats the rap in WA.
.
--
Oscar
A. Finch <mocki...@dissent.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 23:30:28 GMT, blo...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >As soon as I heard that Rosenberg had stepped in as
> >Harding's "advisor," I lost all respect for the man. I know I'm
> >probably at the end of one continuum, but if my feelings were
> >representative of others (which I think highly possible), his
> >reputation was indeed damaged to some extent.
>
> And yet when she skated her first comeback competition, fans stood and
> applauded.
>
Trudi Marrapodi
<oscaris...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Whatever happened to Dody Teachman? She may be Tonya's last hope to put her
> skating career back together again, especially if she beats the rap in WA.
It won't happen without an agent, Oscar. And right now, Tonya is marketing
poison. I wonder what the reaction of all those people in that arena in
Huntington last fall would be now, knowing what they have just heard. If
she tried to skate in that competition today, would she get a standing O
from more than a handful of people? I doubt it.
Trudi Marrapodi
(TCAXEL) wrote:
One of my sisters asked me the same question on the phone last night. I
said "Unfortunately, no. There's always got to be a man in her life, and
it's always a bad one." I said that if anyone would probably benefit from
wearing a chastity belt, it would be Tonya.
Oscar
Tonya needs to take baby steps. First, she has to win in WA court, and
prove it was self-defense. Most people think it's a kick that she managed
to beat up her boyfriend. You don't mess with 5'1", 95 lb, Tonya Harding!
She could be a role-model for abused women everywhere like Rosenberg implied
before he dumped her.
Then, she has to get a COACH, improve her skating, get a make-over, and
enter competitions like the American Open, and skate in small club events.
The agent can wait. She has to get a product to sell first, and Tonya's
skating isn't up-to-par. The problem with Tonya is she wants to start off
right away in COI. If she adopted the baby steps strategy back in 1994, she
may very well have been skating for the big tours right now.
If the Tonya of 1991 returns to the ice, the agents will bite because all
they will see is $$$. Her notoriety will sell tickets, and get big tv
ratings. She's by far the most recognizable name in figure skating. 2
triple jumps are not good enough. She has to get at least 4 solid triples,
and a decent choreographed program to distinguish herself. She needs to
stop going to video poker and make an investment in her career. That means
getting back in the good graces of Dody, or Diane.
Of course, she will never do this, because it's difficult. Dody, and Diane
probably want nothing to do with Tonya, and it will take a lot of effort to
convince them to give her lessons again. Getting her triples back, and
learning new cheorography also takes WORK, and we know Tonya doesn't like
doing that.
I think Tonya wants to feel loved. Her mom was abusive. Her dad was never
around. Men are a substitute. That's why she always went back to Jeff, and
can never be without a man in her life. She's needs a shrink to come to
terms with her childhood, and learn it's ok to be without a man. It's
ruining her life.
--
Oscar
DG511
writes:
>Tonya needs to take baby steps. First, she has to win in WA court, and
>prove it was self-defense. Most people think it's a kick that she managed
>to beat up her boyfriend. You don't mess with 5'1", 95 lb, Tonya Harding!
>She could be a role-model for abused women everywhere like Rosenberg implied
>before he dumped her.
While I take your general point, that women should stand up for themselves, I'm
not sure that Tonya's role model material. OTOH, speakers bureaus hire every
sort of person these days, so maybe. But I'm skeptical.
>Then, she has to get a COACH, improve her skating, get a make-over, and
>enter competitions like the American Open, and skate in small club events.
>The agent can wait. She has to get a product to sell first, and Tonya's
>skating isn't up-to-par. The problem with Tonya is she wants to start off
>right away in COI. If she adopted the baby steps strategy back in 1994, she
>may very well have been skating for the big tours right now.
The trouble is, she's getting older, which is better than the alternative but
it's not going to help her with skating. I'm not sure this is practical or
possible.
>If the Tonya of 1991 returns to the ice, the agents will bite because all
>they will see is $$$. Her notoriety will sell tickets, and get big tv
>ratings. She's by far the most recognizable name in figure skating. 2
>triple jumps are not good enough. She has to get at least 4 solid triples,
>and a decent choreographed program to distinguish herself. She needs to
>stop going to video poker and make an investment in her career. That means
>getting back in the good graces of Dody, or Diane.
Again, this would have been good advice several years ago, but I'm not sure
what she can accomplish now.
>Of course, she will never do this, because it's difficult. Dody, and Diane
>probably want nothing to do with Tonya, and it will take a lot of effort to
>convince them to give her lessons again. Getting her triples back, and
>learning new cheorography also takes WORK, and we know Tonya doesn't like
>doing that.
Which is why if we're going to sit here and hypothetically fix her life, we
probably need to get her going in a whole new direction.
>I think Tonya wants to feel loved. Her mom was abusive. Her dad was never
>around. Men are a substitute. That's why she always went back to Jeff, and
>can never be without a man in her life. She's needs a shrink to come to
>terms with her childhood, and learn it's ok to be without a man. It's
>ruining her life.
People have struggled with these issues for decades without working them out.
And some folks just aren't very resilient. I think Tonya is "tough" in some
ways, but not resilient enough psychologically to move past some of her issues.
Here's what I'd if I were in charge of her life for a while (anyone who saw the
movie Being John Malkovich will know the kind of thing I'm fantasizing about
here):
1. Scrape together some money and move to another part of the country (if the
current legal situation works out so that she can move, that is). No, she
can't run from her problems, but new scenery can help jump-start any changes
she's resolved to make.
2. Join a church or community service group full of warm-hearted people who
think about something other than themselves. Try to be like them in addition
to accepting their support. Try to help someone else.
3. Go back to school. Get a degree in something, anything. It would boost
her confidence and give her some kind of credential beyond that of notorious
figure skater whose bad judgment kept her from ever reaching her potential.
That's a start. Not that I think it would ever happen, but it's something I'd
like to see.
Daria
janet swan hill
>enter competitions like the American Open, and skate in small club events.
She can't skate in small club events, if by "club" you mean either a USFSA or
ISI associated club. Harding is not an eligible person, and cannot compete in
eligible competitions. (ISI and USFSA have reciprocal agreements on
eligibility). Even skating in the same event with those skaters, since USFSA
would likely not grant a sanction to an event that included her. And any
eligible skater sho skates in an unsanctioned event loses her/his eligibility.
She can skate in ineligible events, but I am in agreement with virtually
everybody else who thinks that this last fiasco has done it for her, and she is
very unlikely to be invited to such a skating event again.
janet
Hattie54
>She can skate in ineligible events, but I am in agreement with virtually
>everybody else who thinks that this last fiasco has done it for her, and she
>is
>very unlikely to be invited to such a skating event again.
>
>
>janet
>
Harriet
Oscar
:-) I assume her money is as good as anyone elses. Would you have
represented the little redneck who could skate?
--
Oscar <awaiting a holier-than-thou response from the defense attorney>
Vespertine
I think she's just a loser. She has no class, little education, and is a
convicted felon.. Would you want *your* son or brother to date Tonya? Nope, I'd
say the men she attracts are about on her level, minus the "15 minutes of fame"
thing. I still think she's just a redneck who can skate.
BTW, very interesting sidenote. For all of you who keep fantasizing that
poor little Tonya is physically intimidated and threatened by the big bad men
in her life, I happened to catch a Tonya Harding docudrama on E! last night (a
channel my cable company has apparently recently decided to include in basic
cable). In addition to the standard grainy black-and-white "re-enactments" of
the dirty deed, and interviews with Christine Brennan (anti-Tonya) and
Rosenburg (pro-Tonya), there were extensive interviews with Tonya herself. I
believed her "story" no more now than I did then, but one comment she made
certainly caught my attention. She was talking about her ex-husband (the one
after Jeff G.), and describing an incident in which he had the audacity to
tickle her before she had her morning coffee (apparently an excuse which
mitigates criminal behavior in Tonya's book). After he continued to playfully
poke at her after she told him to stop, she "grabbed him by his ----- and took
him to the floor." This is from the mouth of the little - er - "lady" herself.
It's about the only thing she said that I actually found credible, and it
certainly negated any vision of poor helpless battered wife Tonya.
DonaldC476
NOTHING from the entire gamut of her post-Lillehammer experience. I'm very,
very disappointed. The inspiring "rags-to-riches, Cinderella comes up from
nothing to become the ice princess" story happens far too rarely to just shrug
it off. With just a little bit of smarts, humility, and guidance, she could
have shaken off the guilt and earned her way back to figure skating legitimacy
(even the most ardent RSSIF TonyaTrashers would ultimately have supported her).
Now, it's gone forever; I may be disappointed but in an odd sort of way, I'm
somewhat relieved. Count me amoung the TonyaTrashers, not for what happened in
Cobo Hall, but for what has happened since!!!...
A. Finch
<oscaris...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Tonya needs to take baby steps. First, she has to win in WA court, and
>prove it was self-defense. Most people think it's a kick that she managed
>to beat up her boyfriend. You don't mess with 5'1", 95 lb, Tonya Harding!
>She could be a role-model for abused women everywhere like Rosenberg implied
>before he dumped her.
Whoever she pulled the baseball bat on years ago probably picked up
the newspaper and grinned (scowled?) that some things don't change.
Probably said "Hey, that guy's lucky. Hard to do much damage with a
hub cap."
A. Finch
that your life is largely a function of who you choose to hang around.
The choice of companions can accelerate progress or stop it cold.
Even if she's totally innocent of the charges against her, she wouldnt
have been attacked if she'd chosen peaceable people for her social
life. I wonder if even today she has that thought in mind. I've
defended her against careless slams, but nothing I can do to save her
from the choice of bad social connections. In the worst case
scenario, they could get her killed. I'd hate to see her repeat the
bad choices and end up a some tragic headline. After the applause she
got, doesnt she realize she CAN have better friends?
Trudi Marrapodi
<oscaris...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > It won't happen without an agent, Oscar.
>
> Tonya needs to take baby steps. First, she has to win in WA court, and
> prove it was self-defense. Most people think it's a kick that she managed
> to beat up her boyfriend. You don't mess with 5'1", 95 lb, Tonya Harding!
> She could be a role-model for abused women everywhere like Rosenberg implied
> before he dumped her.
Don't think it will ever happen. The answer to violence is NOT more
violence, and I don't think most women will ever buy that it is. The only
violence most women are interested in learning is just enough to make a
potential rapist, mugger or other assaulter STOP and leave them alone if
they are in trouble. They are not interested in getting completely
medieval on someone as "self-defense."
> Then, she has to get a COACH, improve her skating, get a make-over, and
> enter competitions like the American Open, and skate in small club events.
As others have said, the club events are not an option. But the rest would
have been. Too bad Tonya didn't try this years ago.
> The agent can wait. She has to get a product to sell first, and Tonya's
> skating isn't up-to-par.
That's for sure.
> The problem with Tonya is she wants to start off
> right away in COI. If she adopted the baby steps strategy back in 1994, she
> may very well have been skating for the big tours right now.
Exactly...and now, as others have said, it may be too late. She may be too
old. She may have wasted the best years of her skating life.
> If the Tonya of 1991 returns to the ice, the agents will bite because all
> they will see is $$$.
But that can't happen; the only Tonya who can return is the Tonya of 2000.
> Her notoriety will sell tickets, and get big tv
> ratings.
But she wasn't notorious in 1991. No way is there going to be a Tonya who
skates like it's 1991 and has all the notoriety of 2000.
> She's by far the most recognizable name in figure skating.
Yeah, but for what reasons?
> 2
> triple jumps are not good enough. She has to get at least 4 solid triples,
> and a decent choreographed program to distinguish herself. She needs to
> stop going to video poker and make an investment in her career. That means
> getting back in the good graces of Dody, or Diane.
But it also may mean going back to the kind of body she had a while back,
and it may not be possible. I have to be amused here, Oscar, because you
seem to think this is possible theoretically for Tonya, yet when Brian
Orser lands a triple axel in reality, all you talk about is how we can't
expect him to do it again, because he's too old and decrepit for it to be
likely. ;-)
> Of course, she will never do this, because it's difficult. Dody, and Diane
> probably want nothing to do with Tonya, and it will take a lot of effort to
> convince them to give her lessons again. Getting her triples back, and
> learning new cheorography also takes WORK, and we know Tonya doesn't like
> doing that.
I think you got her pegged there.
> I think Tonya wants to feel loved. Her mom was abusive. Her dad was never
> around. Men are a substitute. That's why she always went back to Jeff, and
> can never be without a man in her life. She's needs a shrink to come to
> terms with her childhood, and learn it's ok to be without a man. It's
> ruining her life.
And I think you've got her pegged there, too.
Vespertine
<<Ves, what would you have said to Tonya if she walked into your law office?
:-) I assume her money is as good as anyone elses. Would you have
represented the little redneck who could skate?>>
I don't do misdemeanors - only felonies.
Oscar
and it may not be possible. I have to be amused here, Oscar, because you
seem to think this is possible theoretically for Tonya, yet when Brian
Orser lands a triple axel in reality, all you talk about is how we can't
expect him to do it again, because he's too old and decrepit for it to be
likely. ;-)>>
Tonya's only 29. She has 2-3 prime skating years left in her to do
something with her jumps on the ice. She's looks like she's in better shape
now than she was in Lillehammer, at least 5-10 lbs lighter. Jumps are only
one aspect of skating though. If Tonya learns how to present a program,
that skill will allow her to skate into her 40's like Dorothy Hamill.
Tonya's basics are still very strong, speed, stroking, spins, even jumps.
(remember Brennan's comment on her double axel) She needs to spend time
refining those elements with someone who KNOWS what they are doing.
I'm sure one of these days Tonya will have an epiphany and actually do some
of the stuff I'm always harping on her to do. The problem is by then her
body won't let her do the things she wants to do, or nobody will give a damn
that she can.
--
Oscar
Trudi Marrapodi <trudiwan...@clarityconnect.com> wrote in message
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> In article <8b0f05$j7p$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>, "Oscar"
> <oscaris...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > It won't happen without an agent, Oscar.
> >
> > Tonya needs to take baby steps. First, she has to win in WA court, and
> > prove it was self-defense. Most people think it's a kick that she
managed