Sale and Pelletier Romantic?
Vana22
they are involved?
johns
> they are involved?
I would hope so ... "God will not forgive a man ..."
<Zorba The Greek >
johns
Lonnie
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Oggt
they are involved?>>
<<PWOR, yes they are. And they are a cute couple too... in one of the hundreds
of interviews they did with Brian Williams, David had his arm around her.
It was really sweet, they're going through all this controversy, but it doesn't
seem to affect their relationship.
Tania
Margaret Burwell
Vana22 (van...@aol.com) writes:
> They seem to have a lot of chemistry on and off the ice and just wondered if
> they are involved?
Yes, but they don't talk about that with the media.
Marg
Hattie54
>they are involved?
>
Yes, they sort of admitted it on Larry King .Was David married before ??
Harriet
Us
Chatelaine magazine.
Us
Chatelaine magazine.
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Vana22
What did they say?
I noticed on the podium that he leaned up and kissed the back of her head and
the look in his eyes made me think, he is totally in love with her. It wasn't
a brotherly kind of thing.
Jenn
Maria
about it then said "what do you think" and giggled. David had a huge smile
on his face and said she was beautiful. Jamie then said they were a couple
off the ice but that they've always had their chemistry on the ice even
before they were romantically involved. They also said they don't like to
talk about their relationship in public.
--
-Maria
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Bbarlou
with her former partner because he fathered a child with somebody else while
having a relationship with Jamie. Does anybody know if this is all true?
onthinice4
athletes aren't exempt from heartbreak and bad judgment in personal
relationships...like the rest of the world.
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Fiona McQuarrie
:> I read that Jamie caused the breakup of David's marriage, and that she split
:> with her former partner because he fathered a child with somebody else while
:> having a relationship with Jamie. Does anybody know if this is all true?
Well, *some* of what you have said is semi-true. Jamie's former pairs
partner,
Jason Turner, is the father of Kristy Sargeant's daughter. However, AFAIK
they did not split up as pairs skaters because he was cheating with
Sargeant while going out with Jamie. My understanding was that they didn't
feel the pairs partnership had the big potential to be world-class (they
went to the Olympics as third pair in Canada) and decided not to pursue
the partnership any further.
Although Jamie and David do not talk about their relationship much, I
believe the article in Chatelaine (Canadian women's magazine) implied that
David's marriage broke up before he and Jamie started skating together.
Fiona
Tracy Johnson
> Although Jamie and David do not talk about their relationship much, I
> believe the article in Chatelaine (Canadian women's magazine) implied that
> David's marriage broke up before he and Jamie started skating together.
I don't believe that's so. It seems pretty clear in my memory that in the very first few competitions
in which Jamie & David were skating together in the fall of '98, it was mentioned by the commentators
that David was recently married. No discussion of separations or anything, and if anyone had any idea
he wasn't happily married, they probably would not have mentioned the fact at all, IMO.
Tracy
Lmarit
S&P live together, are romantically involved, but prefer to keep their personal
lives personal.
Bbarlou
she?
Fiona McQuarrie
: Of course they prefer to keep it personal--she broke up his marriage, didn't
: she?
And you know this how?
Fiona
Angela
> Fiona McQuarrie wrote:
>
> > Although Jamie and David do not talk about their relationship much,
> > I believe the article in Chatelaine (Canadian women's magazine)
> > implied that David's marriage broke up before he and Jamie started
> > skating together.
>
> I don't believe that's so. It seems pretty clear in my memory that in
> the very first few competitions in which Jamie & David were skating
> together in the fall of '98, it was mentioned by the commentators
> that David was recently married.
you're right.
on Christmas Eve i couldn't sleep [not my house, 2 dogs, 3 cats,
allergies] and my sister had just installed a satellite dish. the new
WTSN channel was broadcasting old Skate Canada events.
and there were Jaime and David at their first Skate Canada, with Rod and
Debbi mentioning that David had just been married that summer.
angela
Valerie Stark
>: Of course they prefer to keep it personal--she broke up his marriage, didn't
>: she?
An outsider can't break up a marriage. It takes the cooperation of at
least one of the people *in* the marriage.
However, I imagine the media blitz is fairly unpleasant for his ex-wife,
no matter what happened.
Valerie
BN
>They seem to have a lot of chemistry on and off the ice and just wondered if
>they are involved?
Page URL:
http://www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?f=/stories/20020216/75679.html
February 16, 2002
Coming up roses
David Pelletier and Jamie Salé were not acting when they skated this
week to the theme from Love Story. They
are lovers, after all
Brian Hutchinson
National Post
The best love stories are laced with tragedy and leave a trail of
tears. No wonder, then, that the drama starring
figure skaters Jamie Salé and David Pelletier has become a tearjerker
of the highest order. Theirs is a case of life
imitating art imitating life: a rare triple twist.
On Monday evening, before an Olympic audience in the millions, Salé
and Pelletier skated to the swoony theme
from the film Love Story, a bittersweet saga if there ever was one.
They staged a perfect fantasy on the ice: a
love is lost and then regained. Sadly, their display of heart-melting
passion and tenderness was quickly
vanquished by a panel of plotting, cold-hearted judges.
The judges' controversial decision to deny Salé and Pelletier a gold
medal -- a decision that was reversed
yesterday -- has made heros of the two Canadian skaters. Their Salt
Lake City story is already the stuff of
legend.
But there is another, hidden element to their tale, an intriguing and
relevant fact: Jamie and David were not just
acting this week when they skated to Love Story.
They are lovers, after all.
They have kept their affair quiet. It is not something they will
discuss with strangers. It developed
unexpectedly, and has not come without pain, for themselves and for
others.
In the world of figure skating, partnerships are bartered and
arranged like ancient tribal marriages. But romance
is not unusual. A dash of love can add sizzle to a technical skating
routine.
Sometimes, it can lead to ruin.
Salé and Pelletier have seen lots of skaters come together,
emotionally and physically, only to buckle under the
added pressure of a partnership allowed to grow beyond the
professional.
Years ago, well before their bond was formed, the two skaters
floundered. Each of their careers was at a
standstill and they were both considering retirement. Both had
experienced problems with previous partners.
Long days spent training had seemed wasted.
Pairs skating is unlike any other sport. To reach the top, partners
need to do more than work hard and train well
together; they must completely respond to each other. From the moment
they were introduced in 1996, says
Jamie's mother, Pattie Siegel, "people wanted David and Jamie to fall
into each other's arms and become the
perfect couple. On paper, they were perfect. But they weren't ready.
Maybe they didn't appreciate each other.
They'd both been through a whirly-gig of disappointment. Maybe they
needed to go experience some hardship
before they came together."
Salé had learned to skate in Red Deer, Alta. She was just a toddler
when she first donned skates. By the age of
five, she was carving graceful turns. At 12, by virtue of her natural
talent and ability to adapt to other skaters,
local coaches saw that she would make someone a terrific pairs
partner. She was quickly introduced to Jason
Turner, a skater seven years her senior. It was not a perfect match;
truth be told, Salé had more talent and was a
harder worker. But Turner was experienced and was physically capable
of completing such difficult pairs
elements as lifts and spins.
In 1990, 13-year-old Salé competed with Turner at their first
international event; they returned from Europe with
a bronze medal. The following year, they moved to Edmonton, where
they trained at the Royal Glenora Club, a
figure skating factory that had produced such champions as Kurt
Browning. In short order, Salé and Turner
had established themselves on Canada's national team.
Initially, their age difference was not of great concern. The fact
was, however, that Turner was an adult, and
Salé, while mature for her age, was still an adolescent. Their
parents rarely accompanied them when they
journeyed overseas.
A strain developed when Turner began seeing Kristy Sargeant, then a
16-year-old pairs skater from Red Deer.
In 1991, Sargeant became pregnant and gave birth to a baby boy.
Turner and Sargeant did not marry and drifted
apart.
Figure skating is a small world, where everyone is scrutinized. Some
observers clucked that Salé was too young
to be skating with Turner.
"My parents weren't nervous about Jason," Salé later told the
National Post's Cam Cole. "They were nervous
about our lifts, if anything. The other stuff, that was his life, and
we tried to support him as best we could."
Clearly, however, Turner's life off the ice was a distraction.
Salé's partnership with Turner endured through the 1994 Winter
Olympic Games in Lillehammer, Norway, where
they finished 12th in the pairs event. They split almost immediately.
"Jamie and Jason were no longer right for
each other," Siegel says. "We've lost touch with Jason," she adds
tersely.
Rather than look for a new partner, Salé decided to skate as a single
and finished fifth at the 1995 Canadian
figure skating championships in Halifax. She was not happy with
herself or with the direction in which her
career was moving. So Jan Ullmark, her coach at the Royal Glenora
Club, endeavored to find his young pupil
the perfect skating partner. Ullmark says he and his wife, Cynthia,
who is also a skating coach, "looked at all
the boys in the country. There was really only one that made us
excited." His name was David Pelletier.
Born and raised in Sayabec, Que., a tiny hamlet on the edge of the
Gaspé Peninsula, Pelletier was good-looking,
smart and blessed with superb natural talent. Three years older than
Salé, he had, like her, left home during his
early teens to train in a larger centre, in his case Rimouski, Que.
In 1993, he had won a national junior title,
skating a pairs program with Julie Laporte. Later, with his second
partner, Allison Gaylor, he had competed
against Salé and Turner.
"Right away, I knew they would be great together," Ullmark says. "I
approached our [figure skating]
association and said that these two kids should be together. They
said, 'Well, this isn't Russia. We can't force it
to happen.' But David was having some kind of trouble with Allison
and he was open to finding a new partner."
"I was intimidated [by Salé]," Pelletier told Chatelaine magazine.
"She was the star out west; she was the future.
She was a very confident, cocky little girl."
In 1996, Jamie flew alone to Quebec, and spent a week with David and
his coach, Richard Gauthier. By all
accounts, it was a disaster.
"She didn't have a good experience," says Ullmark. "Everyone spoke
French around her, and she didn't really
have a say in what was happening. She was kept out of the
decision-making process."
Jamie returned to Edmonton and for weeks heard nothing from the
Pelletier camp. A few weeks later, David
called and told her that he was pursuing other options. He had hooked
up with another partner, Caroline Roy.
Jamie says she was "devastated. I thought he was my last hope."
Both of their careers suffered. Jamie continued to skate on her own,
but struggled. People frequently expressed
surprise when she told them she was still skating; they thought she
had retired.
For his part, David wasn't clicking with Caroline Roy. In 1998, they
were dropped from the national team. His
former partner, Julie Laporte, had been killed in a car crash earlier
that year. The accident left him feeling
shattered. In a move that some have called the result of youthful
angst, David married a young figure skating
coach. The marriage would not last.
Feeling as if his skating career was slipping from his grasp, David
decided to call Jamie. What, he wondered,
were the chances of another try-out together? Jamie immediately
agreed to give it another chance, with one
condition: this time, David would have to travel west, to her home
turf.
In March, 1998, under the gaze of Jan Ullmark, Jamie and David met on
the Royal Glenora ice.
"They, well, they just moved together," says Ullmark, from his home
in Edmonton. "She would raise her head,
and he would raise his head at the same time. That kind of unison,
that easy, natural placement of their bodies,
it's very rare."
Jamie agreed to move to Montreal and train with David and his coach,
Richard Gauthier. It was there that they
latched on to the theme from Love Story. Success came almost
immediately. In the fall of 1998, they captured
the pairs title at Skate America, a major international tournament.
Suddenly and unexpectedly, they were among the world's elite. They've
used other programs besides the
routine based on Love Story. Last year in Vancouver, they used music
from Richard Wagner's opera Tristan
und Isolde and captured a world title. "They've risen like a rocket,"
says Jamie's mother.
Somewhere along the way, they also fell in love. Last year, David
divorced his wife and moved in with Jamie.
Some say their relationship disturbed Richard Gauthier -- that it was
his disapproval that led the pair to leave
Quebec last summer and reunite with Ullmark in Edmonton.
"It was the strangest turn of events," says Jamie's mother. "I never
thought that would happen. They'd had so
much success with Richard. Whatever the reason behind their move, it
must have been significant. They've
never discussed it with me. They are totally private about that part
of their lives." Indeed, only a handful of
people in Edmonton know where they live.
"Yes, they are a couple, but it's not a bed of roses every day," says
Ullmark. "They go through hard times
when something doesn't go right. They get upset with each other. They
are even at times angry with each
other. I remind them to forget it once they're off the ice."
Does their relationship help their skating? Ullmark says he isn't
sure. "You don't have to be a couple to skate
well. What's important is how you relate to your partner on the ice.
That's all. I've had students who don't even
want to talk to each other off the ice and yet they somehow succeed."
Romance can complicate matters. Lloyd Eisler and Isabelle Brasseur,
five times Canadian pairs champions, tried
dating during their illustrious career. When they stopped, Eisler was
hurt.
"There can be pressure to get together," says figure skating analyst
Sandra Bezic.
"There is a sensuality expressed in pairs skating that fans just
love. It leaves them wanting the skaters to enter
into a love relationship. I think they project [on to] the skaters
their own fantasies. I know some pairs who have
really had to resist that. They've struggled to keep their
relationship on course as a business relationship, and
not a love relationship. It can become very dangerous for skaters to
respond to what the rest of the world
wants."
Dangerous, and even downright sordid. Figure skating has had many
soap operas, but none frothier than the
highly publicized swap meet between four Russian ice dancers.
Pasha Grishuk and her partner, Evgeny Platov, won Olympic gold medals
in 1994 and 1998. Then Platov
coupled with former rival Maya Usova, who dumped her skating partner
and former husband Alexander Zhulin.
Then Grishuk hooked up with Zhulin, with whom she had already had a
passionate affair, which ended after
Usova spotted Grishuk drinking margaritas at a night spot in Los
Angeles, grabbed her by the head, and began
beating her head against the top of the bar.
Jamie and David are passionate, but they aren't insane.
"I don't worry about them," says Jamie's mother. "I can't imagine
them going around and picking fights. They're
a couple but they also know they're doing a job. They're representing
their country, on and off the ice."
Bbarlou
he was to be her lover. Why did you sweep this part of the story away???
J.N.
write the article they posted..
Hattie54
>Turner and Sargeant did not marry and drifted
> apart.
I think Sargeant has a daughter, not a son and is expecting another kid now
with her husband Kris .
Harriet
Bbarlou
Kaiju
Yeah. But very old news. ;> That marriage has come and gone again.
Kaiju <isn't watching broadcasts of old events fun?>
--
Context is everything...
nemo me impune lacessit
CW
They're romantic but not passionate.
CW
dwjones
wonder why so many male figure skaters are gay
Fiona McQuarrie
: Didn't you forget to mention something? David was married when Jamie decided
: he was to be her lover. Why did you sweep this part of the story away???
Because you keep asserting this but haven't provided any evidence to
support it.
Fiona
Fiona McQuarrie
:>
:> on Christmas Eve i couldn't sleep [not my house, 2 dogs, 3 cats,
:> allergies] and my sister had just installed a satellite dish. the new
:> WTSN channel was broadcasting old Skate Canada events.
:>
:> and there were Jaime and David at their first Skate Canada, with Rod and
:> Debbi mentioning that David had just been married that summer.
And how does that Jamie broke up David's marriage? I know a number of
skaters whose marriages ended for reasons that had nothing to do with
their skating partners.
Fiona