the why on Denise Bielman
Kaiju
>
> Certain posters wondered why Denise didn't have more success than she did as a
> pro skater.
>
> Here's my take.
<snipping excellent observations>
> Personally I admire her style. For example she never goes for the superficial
> hand movements that many female skaters do to prettify their program. Her
> programs seem to distill certain skating elements she wants presented and dares
> the audience to admire them for that. Sort of a "thinking skater's skater".
> I would take a Denise Bielman number over a generic love ballad skating number
> anyday of the week. (how could you not love someone that even worked with
> gregorian chants?)
> Anyways, just my spin on it.
I agree TCAXEL. Maybe because she does challenge the audience is why I like
her so much. I'd infinitely prefer to watch her over Caryn Kadavy's Celine
Dion programs. Any day. I guess in the final assessment, I'm grateful the
pro competition promoters invite her to skate at all.
Guess I'm a "thinking skater's skater", eh? ;>
Kaiju
Kaiju
>
> In article <199808060507...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, tca...@aol.com
> (TCAXEL) writes:
>
> >Anyways, just my spin on it.
>
>
> I'd love to contribute, but I truthfully do not remember how Denise skated as
> an amateur (because that's what they were called then). Did the USA even get to
> see her then? Me, I was in music school, toiling hard. ;-)
Yes, we in the US did get to see her skate. Generally she wasn't chacked. In
fact, it seems in the olden days, all of the skaters were shown, especially if
they were in the top 10. Denise certainly was consistently in the top
groups. Unfortunately, I don't have her on tape. That predated the purchase
of my first VCR.
Kaiju
Takeuchi, Kaz & Diep
>
> Certain posters wondered why Denise didn't have more success than she did as a
> pro skater.
>
> Here's my take.
>
> always a bit detached, in the sense that she never went for showboating or
> crowdpleasing or generic programs that other people expected. Her skating
> persona/style is more "hard" or "angular", it wasn't usually generically
> soft or feminine (mind you I'm not saying she wasn't capable of it) In fact, I
> find many of her programs (if you close your eyes) could easily be transposed
> to a male skater. Add to that the "avant garde" nature of many of her programs
> (which could be really out there) and I don't think judges could figure her out
> or ever warmed up to her. Her skating style elicited admiration, but not
> necessarily warmth even from the audience.
>
> Personally I admire her style. For example she never goes for the superficial
> hand movements that many female skaters do to prettify their program. Her
> programs seem to distill certain skating elements she wants presented and dares
> the audience to admire them for that. Sort of a "thinking skater's skater".
> I would take a Denise Bielman number over a generic love ballad skating number
> anyday of the week. (how could you not love someone that even worked with
> gregorian chants?)
>
>
denise is one of my favorite skater since she won the worlds back in????
her famous spin was considered a gimmick to most people at that time. 20
years later everyone and their uncles are copying her style or a
modified version of it... go denise go!
Takeuchi, Kaz & Diep
>
> In article <199808060507...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, tca...@aol.com
> (TCAXEL) writes:
>
>
>
> I'd love to contribute, but I truthfully do not remember how Denise skated as
> an amateur (because that's what they were called then). Did the USA even get to
> see her then? Me, I was in music school, toiling hard. ;-)
>
>
> (PegL...@aol.com)
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i used to see her on wide world of sports in the worlds. thats where i
fell in love with her skating. when i first saw the "bielman spin" my
jaw hit the floor and was speechless for days. she will always be one of
my favorite skater even though she does not get enough credit for her
influences in skating. iam hoping to see more of her in the pros. she
has to be in her early 40's????
TCAXEL
pro skater.
Here's my take.
Denise Bielman is not what you would call a "crowd" skater. Her skating was
always a bit detached, in the sense that she never went for showboating or
crowdpleasing or generic programs that other people expected. Her skating
persona/style is more "hard" or "angular", it wasn't usually generically
soft or feminine (mind you I'm not saying she wasn't capable of it) In fact, I
find many of her programs (if you close your eyes) could easily be transposed
to a male skater. Add to that the "avant garde" nature of many of her programs
(which could be really out there) and I don't think judges could figure her out
or ever warmed up to her. Her skating style elicited admiration, but not
necessarily warmth even from the audience.
Personally I admire her style. For example she never goes for the superficial
hand movements that many female skaters do to prettify their program. Her
programs seem to distill certain skating elements she wants presented and dares
the audience to admire them for that. Sort of a "thinking skater's skater".
I would take a Denise Bielman number over a generic love ballad skating number
anyday of the week. (how could you not love someone that even worked with
gregorian chants?)
Anyways, just my spin on it.
TCAXEL
PegLewis
>Anyways, just my spin on it.
::groan::
Karen Frank
>I'd love to contribute, but I truthfully do not remember how Denise skated as
>an amateur (because that's what they were called then). Did the USA even get to
>see her then? Me, I was in music school, toiling hard. ;-)
Actually in 1980, they did show either her Olympic long program or the
exhibition.... I remember, because of "THE spin." I was in junior
high.... no toil at all. No VCR though either.
>(PegL...@aol.com)
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>Visit Ljudmillia's text archives (courtesy Don Edwards) at
>http://home.swbell.net/icedance/millia.htm
>SmallovianNGB site coming soon!
Karen
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"We are all Kosh"
TCAXEL
>Kaiju
***************
Hey, who said figure skating wasn't related to rocket science?
TCAXEL
LoisY
>
>PegLewis wrote:
>>
>> In article <199808060507...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>tca...@aol.com
>> (TCAXEL) writes:
as
>> an amateur (because that's what they were called then). Did the USA even get
>to
>> see her then? Me, I was in music school, toiling hard. ;-)
>
>fact, it seems in the olden days, all of the skaters were shown, especially if
>they were in the top 10. Denise certainly was consistently in the top
>groups. Unfortunately, I don't have her on tape. That predated the purchase
>of my first VCR.
Well, as someone who was watching skating in the olden days, I couldn't
disagree more. Hardly *any* of the top 10 skaters were shown from events back
then, especially if they weren't American, and it was common even for medalists
to be chacked or have only the ends of their long programs shown. Short
programs on TV were almost entirely limited to a few during the Olympics. But
Denise did relatively well on US TV for the period because of her unusual
spins. ABC even showed her short, long (which she won), and exhibition from
the '80 Olympics, and her style as an amateur was IMHO totally different from
what it is now. She had a much softer style in '81, with a wider variety of
spins and footwork and connecting moves, though she did have an unconventional
streak in her skating and music selections even as a teenager (she was 18 when
she won Worlds in '81 and turned pro). Denise was always far behind in figures
and had to try to pull up in the short and long, in which she was consistently
at or near the top, but figures kept her from winning any major titles until
1981. The '80 Olympics is a good example, where she was 12th in figures, 2nd
in the short, and won the long to end up 4th overall.
During her amateur career (she first went to Worlds in 1976) Denise was shown
on US TV only in her '78 Europeans long (with the first triple lutz by a woman
in competition), the end of her '79 Europeans long plus that exhibition, all
three numbers from the '80 Olympics, the end of long only from '80 Worlds, '81
Europeans (*end* of long and exhibition--and she won this event!), and '81
Worlds (long and exhibition). That's 11 programs in 5 years of World level
competition, 3 of those programs only partial. Compare this with what you see
of the current group of eligibles, and remember that Denise did relatively well
for a non-American skater in getting on TV during this period! The '70s and
'80s were a terribly frustrating time for skating fans who only had US TV.
Anyone else remember the Wide World of Boxing? Canadian TV was another story,
from what I've heard--the Canadians did a much better job covering amateur
skating.
Lois
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LoisY wrote in message <199808060731...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
DO, Lois. Not "did." (Although not necessarily better commentary).
Other than that quibble....a GREAT post, IMVHAAO.
Cheers.
LoisY
>she has to be in her early 40's????
Denise Biellmann is 35 now, and was a teenage jumping and spinning phenomenon
during her amateur days. She won '81 Worlds and turned pro at 18. I think
she is unique among the top pro women, and probably also the non-TV pro women,
in keeping up her triple jumps for 17 years and counting as a pro.
To give some more examples of our pathetic US TV skating coverage during the
'70s and '80s, in both the 1984 and 1988 Olympics ABC only showed the *end* of
the men's bronze medalist's program (Josef Sabovcik and Victor Petrenko,
respectively) and didn't show Josef's Olympic short or the long of the 1984
Olympic 4th place finisher, Rudi Cerne. Can you imagine only seeing 2 1/2 of
the top four men's longs at the Nagano Olympics on CBS?
Robert Wagenhoffer was the 1981 surprise US men's bronze medalist, and moved up
to the US silver medal in 1982 before turning pro, yet during these years ABC
only showed the end of his excellent '81 Nationals long and his complete '82
Nationals long (but not his short, where he placed ahead of Scott Hamilton),
plus his '81 Skate America long. Robert was never shown at Worlds by ABC
despite being American and 6th in the world in '82, 10th in '81. ESPN did show
Robert's short and long in their first Worlds coverage in '82, but fewer people
had cable then.
Fumio Igarashi, a popular Worlds-top-ten skater in the 1978, '80, and '81 World
Tours (which TV would never dream of covering in those days, much less showing
in multiple tours such as we have now), only made it on network TV twice as an
amateur, in the '77 Worlds exhibitions on ABC (solely because those were held
in Tokyo, I'm sure) and the '80 Superskates exhibition on CBS. ESPN showed his
short and long in '82, but ABC did not, so his competitive programs never aired
outside of cable TV, even though Fumio was 4th in the '81 Worlds in Hartford,
Connecticut!
These are just a very few examples from the gargantuan books long-time US
skating fans could write on what we *didn't* get to see on TV!
Lois
BielmnSpin
>an amateur (because that's what they were called then).
Let's not forget that Denise would have won the 1980 Olympics if it hadn't been
for compulsory figures! She won the freeskate then placed low (something like
9th or 12th?) and ended up placing 4th overall. Oh well... Denise will always
be the gold medalist of the 1980 Olympics in me heart! I was fortunate to
obtain a copy of her winning freeskate at the 1981 worlds. Though she was an
excellent skater then, her skating has only improved. Her spins are faster,
much more centered and the positions (especially on the sit spin) have inproved
immensly over the years. I have seen nothing but improvement. Her jumps have
only gotten bigger and higher. Her speed has increased. She has certainly
worked hard to earn the title of one of the world's best spinners. Denise seems
to be like a fine wine- she only gets better with age! Haha! Actually, I would
not be at all surprised if in 5 or so years when Denise decides to retire from
competitive skating she decides to go out with a big bang- like bring back more
triples like the triple lutz, which she was the first lady to land. With Denise
you never know what she's going to do next!
Denise Biellmann's #1 Fan (hence my screen name),
-Katja
~*~Die dummsten Bauern haben die größesten Kartoffeln!~*~- anon., from Frau M.
~Denise Biellmann: Die erste Frau die den dreifachen Lutz schaffte.~
BielmnSpin
>has to be in her early 40's???
Actually, Denise is only 35 (b. Zurich, Switzerland, Dec. 11, 1962 in the
morning!).
-Katja, #1 Denise Biellmann fan.
BielmnSpin
>a
>pro skater.
garde. I've seen her say in many interviews that she likes to do something new
and different, not like what everybody else is doing. If you ask me, I think
Denise's skating style isn't something that really grows on you. I think it
just takes a certain kind of person to really enjoy it. Some people enjoy
traditional and generic programs. I'm not so sure that Denise's skating style
is something that you learn to love/that eventually grows on you. She is often
marked low because conservative judges simply "just don't get it" in terms of
her artistry/choreography. Many people in the audience/at home in front of the
TV, etc. I believe are the same way (hence the audience reaction during her
"Earth Cry" program at the World Pros a few years back). With Denise's skating
you either "get it" or you don't. I feel fortunate that I "get it" in terms of
her artistry. Her creativity truly is something at which to be marveled. I
really cannot think of any other skaters that take such a risk with
choreography and artistry. She never allows (unfair) low artistic marks to
lower her confidence or to make her feel as if she should just conform to the
traditional (or as I say, generic) crowd.
>Her skating
>persona/style is more "hard" or "angular", it wasn't usually generically
>soft or feminine (mind you I'm not saying she wasn't capable of it)
>) In fact, I
>find many of her programs (if you close your eyes) could easily be transposed
>to a male skater.
Yes, I have to agree here partially. I believe some of her newer programs are
more feminine. For example, I just can't see a man skating her Samba De Janeiro
program (especially with the little flirtatious dance moves and the costume...)
or Lick It/No Limits. Same with Summertime and Le Jazz Hot. Her style has
softened immensly since 1996. I'll admit, that prior to '96 her look was a bit
hard core. The short, frizzy, puffy hair style did nothing for her and she wore
too much make-up, particularly black eye-liner. I thought her new look in '96
was beautiful (the "50s flip" hair-do and the new style of costumes and music).
Her "bun" hairstyle from this past season (as in La Wally) was simply elegant
as were both the blue and white dresses from La Wally. But I agree... She did
have quite a hard core image. The old unitards did nothing to help, either!
> Add to that the "avant garde" nature of many of her programs
And that's why I love her so much!
> (how could you not love someone that even worked with
>gregorian chants?)
Oh really?! Which program was this? (Ya learn something new everyday!)
~My other thoughts~: Denise simply is a skating prodigy. I have a copy of her
biography and at the very young age of 5 she choreographed her first program-
on paper (it's amazing!). She had asthma and would often have to stay in bed
for long periods of time in which she would choreograph programs (which I think
is another reason she learned to read and write at an early age). She started
skating at the age of 2 (she was simple adorable. One of the cutest little kids
I've ever seen) and... correct me if I'm wrong.. but didn't she learn to do an
axel after only one year on the ice? (I'll have to go back and reread that part
in the book). Denise truly is someone at which to be marveled!
-Katja, Denise Biellmann's #1 fan and enjoying this thread since there's hardly
ever discussion on her favorite skater on this newsgroup.
BCacananta
Exactly what I felt but could not explain well! I was ticked off when
other skaters who skated less cleanly than Denise were placed ahead of her in
some of the pro competitions this year! The judges need a lesson in judging
originality (of course that's a subjective matter so that may be virtually
impssible). Denise has the whole package--jumps, spins, speed, posture, and
solid line, but she's often undermarked because of her style--too, too bad. I
thought her her Istanbul and La Wally programs were excellently choreographed.
Kkonas
>originality (of course that's a subjective matter so that may be virtually
>impssible). Denise has the whole package--jumps, spins, speed, posture, and
>solid line, but she's often undermarked because of her style--too, too bad.
>I
>thought her her Istanbul and La Wally programs were excellently
>choreographed.
><
Pro judges are not trained judges but coaches so they certainly do need lessons
in judging. Unfortunately so many times with the pro competitions,pro judging
merely follows the skater's "eligible" reputation or popularity, rather than
rewarding nteresting choreography and unique programs. Biellmann is a prime
example of someone who is usually lowballed by the judges.
LoisY
>Question--Is Denise's book available in English?
No, only in German that I know of, and I believe it's been out of print for
some time (it was published in '81). The Denise Biellmann page has a scan of
the book cover at
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Stadium/6678/autocover.html.
rla...@ziplink.net
lo...@aol.com (LoisY) wrote:
> Fumio Igarashi, a popular Worlds-top-ten skater in the 1978, '80, and '81
World
> Tours (which TV would never dream of covering in those days, much less showing
> in multiple tours such as we have now), only made it on network TV twice as an
> amateur, in the '77 Worlds exhibitions on ABC (solely because those were held
> in Tokyo, I'm sure) and the '80 Superskates exhibition on CBS. ESPN showed
his
> short and long in '82, but ABC did not, so his competitive programs never
aired
> outside of cable TV, even though Fumio was 4th in the '81 Worlds in Hartford,
> Connecticut!
Thanks for bringing up this skater, Lois. I've been trying to figure out for
years who the wonderful Japanese male skater I saw at TOC around that time,
and I thought I remembered that he was introduced as having been 4th at
Worlds, so maybe this is who he was. I remember at the time I really enjoyed
his skating, even though I'd never heard of him.
--Ruth
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BielmnSpin
>
Unfortunately, no. It has been out of print for years. It came out in about '83
or '84 in German. I was fortunate enough to obtain a xeroxed copy. It has tons
of wonderful pictures and an abundance of information as well as an interview
chapter which is very interesting.
-Katja, Denise Biellmann's #1 fan.
LoisY
>In article <199808062107...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>lo...@aol.com (LoisY) wrote:
>
>> Fumio Igarashi, a popular Worlds-top-ten skater in the 1978, '80, and '81
>World
>> Tours (which TV would never dream of covering in those days, much less
>showing
>> in multiple tours such as we have now), only made it on network TV twice as
>>an amateur
>SNIP
>
>Thanks for bringing up this skater, Lois. I've been trying to figure out for
>years who the wonderful Japanese male skater I saw at TOC around that time,
>and I thought I remembered that he was introduced as having been 4th at
>Worlds, so maybe this is who he was. I remember at the time I really enjoyed
>his skating, even though I'd never heard of him.
Yes, that must have been Fumio. He was the only Japanese skater in the '78,
'80, and '81 World Tours and was a huge hit with the audiences when I saw the
Tours, even though virtually no one would have known who he was. He had great
Russian Splits, and did a long series of them. The first time I ever saw him
was the '78 World Tour, and Tom Collins obviously liked Fumio enough to invite
him back twice even without his ever winning a Worlds medal. Does anyone know
what he is doing now?
Takeuchi, Kaz & Diep
>
> I've seen Fumio Igarashi on tape from '81 worlds, and I really liked him.
> I was sorry I didn't get to see him skate until many years afterward.
>
> Trudi
can we get back to the topic at hand: denise biellman. this is about the
first post i have seen about her-just want to get her all the PR i
can... :-))
DesertRoaz
ladies' if no others).>>
Yes, but only for Worlds and the Olympics, for the most part. Fox might show
the occasional short program during the Champion Series.
Margaret Burwell
Trudi Marrapodi (marr...@binghamton.edu) writes:
> Canadian skating coverage today is so star-driven that there's no time to
> show as many programs as before. Yes, you see a lot of long programs--but
> not as many shorts, and you see a whole lot more "star profiles." Maybe if
> CTV gets its sports network going this will change and they'll start
> offering the kind of coverage they used to have of Canadians and worlds.
> But I have Canadian and U.S. coverage of '96 worlds and to me, ABC did a
> better job. Except for Terry Gannon talking over Chen Lu.
I agree. Once you mix ESPN and ESPN2 into the mix, US fans with
cable get a lot more coverage than we do. I have my fingers crossed that
the CTV Sports network, or even the Womens's network will pick up more
coverage next season. I want to see competitive performances and not up
close and personal interviews. Cross you fingers, maybe Debbie Wilkes
will be back.
Marg
Trudi Marrapodi
Trudi Marrapodi
deser...@aol.com (DesertRoaz) wrote:
Hey, for Champions Series all bets are off. It is obviously the most
pathetically covered skating event on U.S. TV. You may get one short
program (from Michelle Kwan), three long programs from the ladies, three
from the pairs, three from the men. Time approximate after football, and
if football runs over, we chack the men. The whole program may be chacked
in your area for reruns of Deep Space Nine.
Ice dance? Oh, that doesn't exist until the final, when you may actually
get to see two or three of the free dances. Oh, and lots and lots and lots
of profiles of Michelle Kwan.
I'm talking strictly about ABC/ESPN/ESPN2 coverage when I speak of skating
coverage having improved in the U.S. for nationals and worlds. Coverage of
other nonqualifying events has always been poor and inconsistent, despite
whoever has the TV contract at the time.
Trudi
PegLewis
<trudiwantsnospam...@cci-209150250034.clarityconnect.net>,
trudiwan...@clarityconnect.com (Trudi Marrapodi) writes:
>Ice dance? Oh, that doesn't exist until the final, when you may actually
>get to see two or three of the free dances. Oh, and lots and lots and lots
>of profiles of Michelle Kwan.
Not if she skips the series. <g>
Peg
Janice Hanes
says...
>
>In article
><trudiwantsnospam...@cci-209150250034.clarityconnect.net>,
>trudiwan...@clarityconnect.com (Trudi Marrapodi) writes:
>
>>Ice dance? Oh, that doesn't exist until the final, when you may actually
>>get to see two or three of the free dances. Oh, and lots and lots and lots
>>of profiles of Michelle Kwan.
>
>Not if she skips the series. <g>
Last year, Fox televised a Kwan interview during a competition she
wasn't even in. If she skips the Champions Series, Fox will
probably babble incessantly about her skipping the series. Sigh.
Janice
Uselbean
Ice Show" in NYC in the '70s and have always thought Denise Bielman was in it,
and that she did "'the spin" - her name hadn't meant anything to me before
then but after that I watched for her skating and have enjoyed it ever since.
But if she's 35 now, she must have been *really* young then--- was it really
she that I saw, or am I disremembering? If not,who could it have been?
Sandra Loosemore
Well, I don't think it was Denise Biellmann.
I happen to have a program (just a single sheet of paper!) from
the Canadian tour of The Ice Show -- "Direct from Broadway", it says!
The cast and their credentials are listed as
Janet & Mark Hominuke (Canadian Senior Compulsory Pairs Champions [?])
Elizabeth Freeman (US Eastern Ladies Champion)
Bob Rubens (Canadian medalist)
Kath Malmberg (US Ladies medalist)
Wendy Burge (World Professonal Freestyle Champion)
Candy Jones & Don Fraser (Canadian World Professional Seniors Pairs [huh?])
Barbara Berezowski & David Porter (Canadian & World Prof. Dance Champions)
Gordon McKellen, Jr. (Three Times US Mens Champion)
Colleen O'Connor & Jim Millns (Olympic & World Medalists Champions [huh?])
... And Starring Canada's Own International Olympic World Champion [!!]
MR. TOLLER CRANSTON
-Sandra
Takeuchi, Kaz & Diep
>
> Question for long-lived fans with good memories: I saw Toller Cranston's "The
> Ice Show" in NYC in the '70s and have always thought Denise Bielman was in it,
> and that she did "'the spin" - her name hadn't meant anything to me before
> then but after that I watched for her skating and have enjoyed it ever since.
> But if she's 35 now, she must have been *really* young then--- was it really
> she that I saw, or am I disremembering? If not,who could it have been?
18 when she took the worlds...
Uselbean
Curry's touring show instead? Both shows were magnificent and they seem to
have melded together in my memory.
LoisY
>Thanks to those who responded. Might I have seen Denise Bielman in John
>Curry's touring show instead? Both shows were magnificent and they seem to
>have melded together in my memory.
No, Denise Biellmann never skated in John Curry's shows either, but when she
competed in Pro Skate in 1982-1985 both Curry and Cranston did skate in that
event, if you're sure you saw them all at the same time...
Chelsea Christenson
> Ice dance? Oh, that doesn't exist until the final, when you may
> actually get to see two or three of the free dances.
In between allegations of fixed judging.
Albert H. Dobyns
>
> In article <199808080345...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
> deser...@aol.com (DesertRoaz) wrote:
>
> > Even without cable, you may at least see some short programs (the
> > ladies' if no others).>>
> >
> > Yes, but only for Worlds and the Olympics, for the most part. Fox might show
> > the occasional short program during the Champion Series.
>
> Hey, for Champions Series all bets are off. It is obviously the most
> pathetically covered skating event on U.S. TV. You may get one short
> program (from Michelle Kwan), three long programs from the ladies, three
> from the pairs, three from the men. Time approximate after football, and
> if football runs over, we chack the men. The whole program may be chacked
> in your area for reruns of Deep Space Nine.
>
> of profiles of Michelle Kwan.
>
> coverage having improved in the U.S. for nationals and worlds. Coverage of
> other nonqualifying events has always been poor and inconsistent, despite
> whoever has the TV contract at the time.
>
> Trudi
Trudi, I agree with you about the lack of tv coverage of less popular or
less well known skating events. The only thing I can suggest is people
in other locations where an event is being held should contact their
local cable tv company. It may be possible for them to videotape the
event and play it back on one of their channels. As I learned from
last year's coverage by NCTV with the authorization by the USFSA,
they should make sure they don't violate and contract obligations.
So if one of these events is televised only in the town where the
event was held, at least cable subscribers can see it.
--
Al