Katia
Kristen Lee
quite some time. In her book, My Sergei, Katia mentions that her
father's last name was Gordeev. Hers of course is Gordeeva, therefore is
Daria's last name Grinkov, or Grinkova?
Kristen
" I know I ask perfection of a quite imperfect world - and fool enough
to think that's what I'll find." - Karen Carpenter
Sk8Maven
> This I know is a stupid question, but it's one that has nagged me for
> quite some time. In her book, My Sergei, Katia mentions that her
> father's last name was Gordeev. Hers of course is Gordeeva, therefore
> is Daria's last name Grinkov, or Grinkova?
That seems to depend on whether she's in the USA (Grinkov) or in Russia
(Grinkova). She won't have to make her mind up about it for a few years yet.
:-)
Maven
Ann Lewis
>
> In anything I've seen written about the little one, it's been
>"Grinkova"
"The little one?" "The abnormal one," to be more accurate. :-)
AJL
Pandora
Ann Lewis wrote in message <369EB9...@erols.com>...
Pandora
You must be really unhappy and insecure to pick on a child.
Ann Lewis wrote in message <369EBC...@erols.com>...
>Pandora wrote:
>>
>> I thought you were going to try to be less offensive.
>
>That doesn't mean that I'll stop being honest. Daria Grinkova looks
>abnormal; specifically, she looks very much like she has FAS (fetal
>alcohol syndrome). I wouldn't be at all surprised to discover that
>Katia drank excessively while she was pregnant; she did, after all,
>originally want to abort Daria. :-)
>
>AJL
Ann Lewis
Pandora
effort.
Kaiju wrote in message <369EC0B6...@NOSPAM.ecn.com>...
>Why are you trying to reason with a troll?
>
>
>Kaiju
>
>
>Pandora wrote:
>>
>> I thought you were going to try to be less offensive.
>>
>> Ann Lewis wrote in message <369EB9...@erols.com>...
>> >Shillelagh wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In anything I've seen written about the little one, it's been
>> >>"Grinkova"
>> >
>> >"The little one?" "The abnormal one," to be more accurate. :-)
>> >
>> >AJL
>
>--
>
>
>
> No more fiendish punishment could be devised,
> were such a thing physically possible,
> than that one should be turned loose in society
> and remain absolutely unnoticed.
>
> -- William James
Kaiju
Ann Lewis
>
> Daria's a beautiful little girl who looks exactly like her father.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, just as I am to mine. FWIW,
Daria looks most typically like a child who has fetal alcohol syndrome.
And BTW ... Sergei was most decidedly *not* a handsome man. :-)
AJL
Kaiju
people's niceness. Just like certain shark, while in utero, feed off their
siblings.
Kaiju <the similarity between Annie and sharks is striking...>
Pandora wrote:
>
> I don't know. I'm going to ignore her from now on, she isn't worth the
> effort.
>
> Kaiju wrote in message <369EC0B6...@NOSPAM.ecn.com>...
Blair Laugher
Therefore her name is Daria Grinkova.
Kristen Lee wrote in message
<12162-369...@newsd-154.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
This I know is a stupid question, but it's one that has nagged me for
quite some time. In her book, My Sergei, Katia mentions that her
father's last name was Gordeev. Hers of course is Gordeeva, therefore is
Daria's last name Grinkov, or Grinkova?
Shillelagh
In anything I've seen written about the little one, it's been "Grinkova"
Sk8Maven wrote in message <369EADB5...@monumental.com>...
>Kristen Lee wrote:
>> This I know is a stupid question, but it's one that has nagged me for
>> quite some time. In her book, My Sergei, Katia mentions that her
>> father's last name was Gordeev. Hers of course is Gordeeva, therefore
>> is Daria's last name Grinkov, or Grinkova?
>
Patricia Richard
AJL wrote:
>she did, after all, originally want to abort Daria. :-)
This is an option your mother would have done well to consider before
unleashing you on the world. But then, she had no way of knowing she
would give birth to an imbecile.
Patty
ssheehan
general. Also, I guess that at 44 and having lived in downtown Boston for
20 years, traveling extensively around the world by myself, attending
college, etc, I am still somewhat an innocent.
Could someone try to explain to me why some of the people on this list do
nothing but say terrible things about children, repeat lies and offer up
their own opinion in the guise of fact? So far my 3 year experience with
the internet has been SO positive until now. I can't believe that they
don't have something else to do. And why would they do it to children?
First of all, and this is my opinion, Daria Grinkova looks like a normal
little girl to me. I have worked teaching computers in elementary schools
and in pre-schools and my mother is a child physiologist, has been for the
past 50 years, Daria does not look like she has FAS.
However, if she did, I don't see why one would discuss it on this list. To
me children of the rich and/or famous (or any of our children) are totally
off limits to these types of discussions. I can't believe you aren't
ashamed of yourself, your comments are off the scope of this list and plain
old morally wrong. I think you should step away from your computer for a
minute and look closely in the mirror. Pick on someone your own size.
Susan
DeleteN0t
In article <oyHn2.152$Gk4.4...@news2.randori.com>, "ssheehan"
<sshe...@capecod.net> writes:
>Hi, I am relatively new to this newsgroup and for that matter, newsgroups in
>general.
Welcome, Susan!
> Also, I guess that at 44 and having lived in downtown Boston for
>20 years, traveling extensively around the world by myself, attending
>college, etc, I am still somewhat an innocent.
>
>Could someone try to explain to me why some of the people on this list do
>nothing but say terrible things about children, repeat lies and offer up
>their own opinion in the guise of fact?
They're undesirables, Susan, and the term for them is "troll," from fishing.
They throw out comments hoping for responses, and every response makes them
happier and happier. I call it tossing chum into the waters, because it's very
much like throwing chum into the water to lure unsuspecting posters to be
snared and eaten.
Other people are on a mission to gossip here, and that's firmly dissuaded in
our NG's FAQ. You will notice that we don't approve of the gossip, either, but
that doesn't stop immature people from attempting to exert their wills over
that of the community at large. If they want to gossip, they should establish
their own official NG, or post to a celeb site. They're too lazy to do that,
though, and prefer to gain negative attention here. They should be ignored, but
we can't *not* comment on the FAQ violations.
> So far my 3 year experience with
>the internet has been SO positive until now. I can't believe that they
>don't have something else to do. And why would they do it to children?
Ann Lewis is a particularly unfortunate case, and she's
rec.sport.skating.ice.figure's bane, and has been since Oct., 1997. Her vile
posting behavior got her TOSsed from AOL, and she went to Erols, an internet
provider that apparently doesn't care about a continually-disrupting customer
so long as it doesn't post kiddie porn. We keep hoping she'll be TOSsed from
Erols soon to give us a day's relief while she seeks another ISP, but so far no
luck.
>First of all, and this is my opinion, Daria Grinkova looks like a normal
>little girl to me.
Ann will post anything to get attention. Ignore her - that makes her frustrated
and she gets worse, but eventually she'll be gone, at least for a while. But we
must ignore her.
>I can't believe you aren't ashamed of yourself, your comments are
>off the scope of this list and plain old morally wrong.
They do it for the same reason children act purposefully bad: they're hungry
for attention, any attention, and it's a whole lot easier to generate negative
attention than positive reinforcement. Pains get noticed more than quiet,
polite folks. If they didn't get the gratification, they would all move on
(except Ann, who just gets worse).
>I think you should step away from your computer for a
>minute and look closely in the mirror. Pick on someone your own size.
Sage advice. Thanks for saying this, but with the particular losers we have
chumming RSSIF, this will only feed their lust for attention.
Please, feel free to ignore them, and to start your own skating-related
threads. We welcome on-topic comments, we really do! :^)
Peg Lewis (no relation, I hope, to Ann)
reply to pe.gl...@aol.com [re move the obvious ex tra dots]
==
@>--\--- Any request to delete this post is a forgery---/--<@
NOTE: Yes, I've changed my posting screen name. It's an experiment. ;^)
IGRANE
<<<And BTW ... Sergei was most decidedly *not* a handsome man. :-)>>>
Ohh, I beg to differ!!!! As would plenty on this board!!! Sergei was in fact a
very fine, and handsome man! That above statement is preposterous and she knows
it!
Now to answer the woman's 1st question, Katia's name is the feminine of her
fathers name "Gordeev" there for any women who is related to Mr. Gordeev, His
wife's name and his 2 daughters are called "Gordeev- a" The "A" is feminine,
Daria is in fact named Daria Grinkova, Katia's name is Yekaterina Alexandrovna
Grinkova. formerly Gordeeva.
Hope this helps????
Fauve;-)
j...@cypress.com
There is something of a tradition in Russia that adds an A to the
family names of female offspring. This appears to occur when the
family name ends with a cyrillic B. (this appears as a V in English
spelling of Russian names)
eg: Sergei Grinkov, Daria Grinkova. As I recall, Ekaterina Gordeeva's
father was named Gordeev.
It is very likely that the family name of the related male family
members has the A removed:
Eltsova, Marina
Gordeeva, Ekaterina
Kazakova, Oksana
Klimova, Marina
Krylova, Angelika
Markova, Olga
Shishkova, Yevgenia
Sokolova, Elena
Usova, Maya
Yeltsova, Marina
Belousova, Ludmilla
Bestemianova, Natalia
Ivonova, Kira
Kandrashova, Anna
Pakhomova, Ludmilla
Selezneva, Larisa
Vodorezeva, Elena
Romanova, Irena
By the same logic, the sisters and daughters of the following
skaters would have an A appended to their family names:
Bushkov, Andrei
Dmitriev, Artur
Fedorov, Vladimir
Grinkov, Sergei
Naumov, Vadim
Ovsyannikov, Oleg
Petrov, Denis
Platov, Yevgeny
Tataurov, Oleg
Urmanov, Aleksei
Fedeev, Alexander
Gorshkov, Aleksander
Kovalev, Vladimir
Makarov, Oleg
Protopopov, Oleg
Ulanov, Akeksi
Vasiliev, Oleg
Zaitsev, Alexi
Goncharov, Ruslan
Shiliakov, Oleg
In passing...
If I recall what little I know of the Cyrillic alphabet correctly,
Gordeeva should look something like this in Russian:
GGGGGGGG v
G v
G v
G ooooo rrrrrr d eeeee eeeee vvvvvv aaaaaa
G o o r r d d e e e e v v a
G o o r r d d eeeeee eeeeee v v aaaaaaa
G o o r r d d e e v v a a
G ooooo rrrrrr ddddddd eeeee eeeee vvvvvv aaaaaaa
r
r
r
-jl John
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Donna Stephansky
wrote:
>Hi, I am relatively new to this newsgroup and for that matter, newsgroups in
>general. Also, I guess that at 44 and having lived in downtown Boston for
>20 years, traveling extensively around the world by myself, attending
>college, etc, I am still somewhat an innocent.
Welcome fellow Bostonian !
I am 52 years old and have just moved from the suburbs back to the
city (we have been here a week). We *adore* this city. I thought I was
quite worldly until my son taught me to use his computer and I
discovered the culture that lurks within cyberspace. I *also*
found myself somewhat of an innocent in this milieu. It didn't take
long for me to realize that I wasn't "in Kansas anymore".
>Could someone try to explain to me why some of the people on this list do
>nothing but say terrible things about children, repeat lies and offer up
>their own opinion in the guise of fact? So far my 3 year experience with
>the internet has been SO positive until now. I can't believe that they
>don't have something else to do. And why would they do it to children?
*One* particular individual says * most * of the terrible things and
does *all* of the child bashing on this newsgroup. The rest is just
bickering, nit picking and personality clashes. The "malevolent one"
is IMVHO a profoundly ill individual with a major mental illness.
........OR......Again, IMVHO a sociopathic lawyer (she claims to be a
law student but rumor has it she may be a practicing lawyer) testing
the envelope of the US first amendment on the internet. Unfortunately,
she doesn't seem to comprehend the fact that this is an international
forum.... But my money is with the former.... Watch her pathology
escalate during the full moon phase. Whatever the case, she is bright,
she is malevolent, she is manipulative and she has an agenda. That
agenda is to get attention/control ( textbook pathology, ask your
mother) and she is a master at getting what she wants. Once she has
succeeded in getting the newsgroups complete attention she assumes
control by demeaning and humiliating the posters ( think sadist ),
usually followed by a pronouncement of her moral and intellectual
superiority. Some tell her to f---k off, most ignore her. Others do
the same thing (try to control the newsgroup) but with less vigor and
venom. The only way to deal with her is to ignore her......but it is
beyond my comprehension why the regular posters can't ignore her. I
responded to her once (in a year) when she claimed she had turned over
a new leaf. It soon became apparent to me that she is unable to
control her pathology....sad.
>First of all, and this is my opinion, Daria Grinkova looks like a normal
>little girl to me. I have worked teaching computers in elementary schools
>and in pre-schools and my mother is a child physiologist, has been for the
>past 50 years, Daria does not look like she has FAS.
Of course she doesn't. These provocative statements are the means by
which the poster gets attention.
> However, if she did, I don't see why one would discuss it on this list. To
>me children of the rich and/or famous (or any of our children) are totally
>off limits to these types of discussions.
For a sane or civilized human being, they are..... Again, think
pathology.
> I can't believe you aren'tashamed of yourself, your comments are off
>the scope of this list and plain old morally wrong.
Again, think pathology. Sociopaths and active psychotics aren't ruled
by conscience like the rest of us.... That's their pathology.
>I think you should step away from your computer for a minute and look
>closely in the mirror. Pick on someone your own size.
>
>Susan
She will only see through the eyes of the deluded. Let it go Susan,
for your sake... and for hers.
There are many hilarious and informative discussions in this news
group. I read a post last week that had my family and my sons friends
laughing all evening. We were all exhausted and cranky from moving. We
had just set up the computer to get our e-mail when I took a peek at
rssif. There was a thread (regarding the poster we have been
discussing) suggesting the she find Jesus. Then it was declared that
the poster was Jewish so she didn't need to find Jesus. Then the
poster in question posted a response stating that she didn't know
Jesus was missing. Then some clown replied, who is Jesus.... a figure
skater? Then Sandra Loosmore wrote a ten line paragraph describing
the trials and tribulations of "Jesus the figure skater" worthy of a
Saturday Night Live skit..... It was priceless! If you haven't read
it, or you can't find it in the archives, e-mail me. I have saved it.
Hang in there Susan..... think pathology.... and ignore the
provocation. It *can* be fun and interesting around here. You might
even learn something about figure skating.
Donna
PS: Thank you Sandra Loosemore, you brought a much appreciated dose
of humor into an otherwise miserable moving day.
Mary Swim
reading for a few days. Has anyone gotten back in touch with her ISP?
"Pandora" <bp...@netcom.ca> wrote:
>I thought you were going to try to be less offensive.
>Ann Lewis wrote in message <369EB9...@erols.com>...
>>Shillelagh wrote:
>>>
>>> In anything I've seen written about the little one, it's been
>>>"Grinkova"
>>
Marilyn Brady
be added to her father's name.
mb
Kristen Lee wrote in message
<12162-369...@newsd-154.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
This I know is a stupid question, but it's one that has nagged me for
quite some time. In her book, My Sergei, Katia mentions that her
father's last name was Gordeev. Hers of course is Gordeeva, therefore is
Daria's last name Grinkov, or Grinkova?
Kristen
Jane Hunt
> Daria is in fact named Daria Grinkova, Katia's name is Yekaterina Alexandrovna
> Grinkova. formerly Gordeeva.
Katia did (of course) keep "Gordeeva" for her professional name, since
that is how everyone recognizes her name.
But I have never, ever, ever heard of her using "Grinkova", even in
a social situation. In her book, I don't remember her ever saying that
she used it (I could be confused; it's easy to do).
I kinda thought that the Russian culture was that women maintained
their own name, even after marriage.
In the province of Quebec (Canada), a woman's legal name throughout her
life is her maiden name; if she wishes to use her husband's surname then
she has to legally change her name (to the point, perhaps, of getting
a new birth certificate) -- this applies even if the woman was married
for 20 years before ever moving into Quebec. I thought it was the same
in Russia (throughout the old Soviet Republic?).
And back to the original question: I've never heard Daria referred
to as "Grinkov", always "Grinkova". So, Katia Gordeeva and Daria
Grinkova.
Not all threads lead to the movie "The Cutting Edge", but enough of
them do! :) In that movie, one glaring mistake was the name of the
character played by Christine (Tuffy) Hough (in a non-speaking cameo
role) -- the new Russian pair who appeared out of nowhere as "we have
problem" -- her character's name did NOT have an "a" on the end, so
some witty posters flew the suggestion that it was a same-sex pair!
Jane H.
BABSKATE
pregnancy at first.
She was encouraged to do so by her mother and Sergei.
She always has said that she wishes she were a better mother that she was a
skater first,
then a wife, then a mother in that order.
And that Sergei was a much more family
oriented type of person.
kathy burke
bridge waiting to attack innocents as they crossed over it!
--
KABurke
DeleteN0t wrote in message <19990115105905...@ngol04.aol.com>...
in
>>general.
>
>
>> Also, I guess that at 44 and having lived in downtown Boston for
>>20 years, traveling extensively around the world by myself, attending
>>college, etc, I am still somewhat an innocent.
>>
>>nothing but say terrible things about children, repeat lies and offer up
>>their own opinion in the guise of fact?
>
fishing.
>They throw out comments hoping for responses, and every response makes them
>happier and happier. I call it tossing chum into the waters, because it's
very
>much like throwing chum into the water to lure unsuspecting posters to be
>snared and eaten.
>
>Other people are on a mission to gossip here, and that's firmly dissuaded
in
>our NG's FAQ. You will notice that we don't approve of the gossip, either,
but
>that doesn't stop immature people from attempting to exert their wills over
>that of the community at large. If they want to gossip, they should
establish
>their own official NG, or post to a celeb site. They're too lazy to do
that,
>though, and prefer to gain negative attention here. They should be ignored,
but
>we can't *not* comment on the FAQ violations.
>
>>the internet has been SO positive until now. I can't believe that they
>>don't have something else to do. And why would they do it to children?
>
>rec.sport.skating.ice.figure's bane, and has been since Oct., 1997. Her
vile
>posting behavior got her TOSsed from AOL, and she went to Erols, an
internet
>provider that apparently doesn't care about a continually-disrupting
customer
>so long as it doesn't post kiddie porn. We keep hoping she'll be TOSsed
from
>Erols soon to give us a day's relief while she seeks another ISP, but so
far no
>luck.
>
>>little girl to me.
>
frustrated
>and she gets worse, but eventually she'll be gone, at least for a while.
But we
>must ignore her.
>
>>off the scope of this list and plain old morally wrong.
>
hungry
>for attention, any attention, and it's a whole lot easier to generate
negative
>attention than positive reinforcement. Pains get noticed more than quiet,
>polite folks. If they didn't get the gratification, they would all move on
>(except Ann, who just gets worse).
>
>>minute and look closely in the mirror. Pick on someone your own size.
>
Trudi Marrapodi
> Pandora wrote:
> >
> > I thought you were going to try to be less offensive.
>
> That doesn't mean that I'll stop being honest. Daria Grinkova looks
> abnormal; specifically, she looks very much like she has FAS (fetal
> alcohol syndrome). I wouldn't be at all surprised to discover that
> Katia drank excessively while she was pregnant; she did, after all,
> originally want to abort Daria. :-)
>
> AJL
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[snip]
I suggested to Afterburner that I would voluntarily improve my behavior
on this newsgroup. We both agreed that some of my posts were
unnecessarily provocative, irrespective of whether I was responding to a
provocative post myself. Although Afterburner in no way demanded that I
change my behavior, I volunteered to do so in the interest of reducing
overall disruption on this newsgroup. However, there are a number of
points that I would like to make:
1. The behavior that I have chosen to change regards my recent posts
regarding wishing ill toward certain figure skaters. I agree that such
posts are uncalled for, and I shall not post such things any longer. I
never truly wished any skater harm, but was reacting with a parent's
protectiveness to what I consider to be a threat to my daughter.
2. Similarly, I shall refrain from calling any skater or poster here
derogatory names. That said, my opinions shall nonetheless remain as
they are, and my posts shall reflect those opinions. I am well aware
that I frequently have opinions that are in the minority, but I believe
that people must learn to live with opinions that they don't necessarily
share if we are all to live in a democracy. If people disagree with my
respectfully expressed opinions, I hope that they can either choose to
discuss them with me in a rational manner, or, failing that, simply
ignore them.
3. Skaters' privacy is *not* sacrosanct. I shall continue to comment
about the private lives of skaters, but I shall do so in a respectful
manner with no name-calling. Nothing that I have said about any skater
here is actionable in a court of law, but if any particular skater has a
problem with what I say about him or her, then they can address it to me
personally. It's entirely unnecessary (and inappropriate, IMO) for any
poster here to fight their favorite skater's battles for him or her.
I sincerely hope that my promise here substantially reduces the level of
disruption on this newsgroup.
Ann Lewis
--
Trudi
"They do forgive you. They forgive you, but the powers that be--the people that hire you for jobs--they won't call you...They forgive you, and the phone stops ringing." -- Brian Boitano, asked what would happen to Kurt Browning after he finished 6th in the '92 Olympics
Trudi Marrapodi
> Pandora wrote:
> >
> > Daria's a beautiful little girl who looks exactly like her father.
>
> You're certainly entitled to your opinion, just as I am to mine. FWIW,
> Daria looks most typically like a child who has fetal alcohol syndrome.
> And BTW ... Sergei was most decidedly *not* a handsome man. :-)
Trudi Marrapodi
> Shillelagh wrote:
> >
> > In anything I've seen written about the little one, it's been
> >"Grinkova"
>
> "The little one?" "The abnormal one," to be more accurate. :-)
Trudi Marrapodi
br...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jane Hunt) wrote:
[snip]
> In the province of Quebec (Canada), a woman's legal name throughout her
> life is her maiden name;
But then, it isn't her "maiden" name anymore, is it then? It's just her
name, plain and simple.
> if she wishes to use her husband's surname then
> she has to legally change her name (to the point, perhaps, of getting
> a new birth certificate) -- this applies even if the woman was married
> for 20 years before ever moving into Quebec. I thought it was the same
> in Russia (throughout the old Soviet Republic?).
I don't know what the law is there; I only know what custom has been, and
others have already gone over that.
At one time, U.S. laws varied by the state, but I think that today in all
50 states a woman's changing her name when she marries is simply a custom
and can easily be done by indicating the change on her official documents.
But of course she doesn't have to change her birth certificate, as she
wasn't born married. And if she doesn't want to change her name at all,
she doesn't have to. And some men have been known to change their names
when they marry, either by hyphenating or by taking their wife's name. I
guess they figure that it's been the other way around for so long that
it's no skin off their nose to do it differently.
> And back to the original question: I've never heard Daria referred
> to as "Grinkov", always "Grinkova". So, Katia Gordeeva and Daria
> Grinkova.
>
> Not all threads lead to the movie "The Cutting Edge", but enough of
> them do! :) In that movie, one glaring mistake was the name of the
> character played by Christine (Tuffy) Hough (in a non-speaking cameo
> role) -- the new Russian pair who appeared out of nowhere as "we have
> problem" -- her character's name did NOT have an "a" on the end, so
> some witty posters flew the suggestion that it was a same-sex pair!
Yes, some have remarked that whoever came up with the "Russian" names for
the pair wasn't very knowledgeable about Russian surnames.
Sk8Maven
> There are many hilarious and informative discussions in this news
> group. I read a post last week that had my family and my sons friends
> laughing all evening. We were all exhausted and cranky from moving. We
> had just set up the computer to get our e-mail when I took a peek at
> rssif. There was a thread (regarding the poster we have been
> discussing) suggesting the she find Jesus. Then it was declared that
> the poster was Jewish so she didn't need to find Jesus. Then the
> poster in question posted a response stating that she didn't know
> Jesus was missing. Then some clown replied, who is Jesus.... a figure
> skater? Then Sandra Loosmore wrote a ten line paragraph describing
> the trials and tribulations of "Jesus the figure skater" worthy of a
> Saturday Night Live skit..... It was priceless! If you haven't read
> it, or you can't find it in the archives, e-mail me. I have saved it.
I found it easily in DejaNews (http://www.dejanews.com) by searching on
"Loosemore Jesus skater". :-) Very witty and to the point! :-)
> PS: Thank you Sandra Loosemore, you brought a much appreciated dose
> of humor into an otherwise miserable moving day.
The one thing that suprprised me was that the discussion didn't go off on a
tangent to list those figure skaters who have picked up on this theme, usually
by building a number around one or more selections from "Jesus Christ
Superstar". There have been at least *three* male soloist versions of
"Gethsemane", plus Lobacheva/Averbukh's 1997-98 freedance, plus Rudy G hitting
a telltale pose in "Ave Maria", plus...? :-)
Maven
Arie Peltzer
> I kinda thought that the Russian culture was that women maintained
> their own name, even after marriage.
Most of Russian women take their husbands' last names; but some do
retain their maiden names.
> Not all threads lead to the movie "The Cutting Edge", but enough of
> them do! :) In that movie, one glaring mistake was the name of the
> character played by Christine (Tuffy) Hough (in a non-speaking cameo
> role) -- the new Russian pair who appeared out of nowhere as "we have
> problem" -- her character's name did NOT have an "a" on the end, so
> some witty posters flew the suggestion that it was a same-sex pair!
>
> Jane H.
From www.imdb.com:'Cutting Edge' cast:
Christine Hough .... Skater Duo Smilkov & Brushkin
Doug Ladret .... Skater Duo Smilkov & Brushkin
Correct observation!
Fiona McQuarrie
derogatory names?
Cheers, Fiona
acr...@mindspring.com
business isn't limited to names ending in "ov" in the masculine form. There
is Tatiana Malinina, for example, whose father's last name would be Malinin.
Two other interesting (?) points:
The proper spelling of Katia's full name is Ekaterina in English, not
Yekaterina. Russian has a vowel which transliterates as "e" (pronounced as
in "met") and another which transliterates as "ye" (same vowel sound plus
y). The former is uncommon. A professor once said that it appeared only in
words of foreign derivation, and I believe Ekaterina (as in Katherine the
Great) was the example he cited.
And the names ending in "ov" if rendered phonetically would be "of" or
"off", because the sound of the Russian "B" is closer to "f" at the end of a
word, though it is indeed "v" in the middle of a word.
j...@cypress.com wrote in message <77o14h$lrp$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>There is something of a tradition in Russia that adds an A to the
>family names of female offspring. This appears to occur when the
>family name ends with a cyrillic B. (this appears as a V in English
>spelling of Russian names)
>
>eg: Sergei Grinkov, Daria Grinkova. As I recall, Ekaterina Gordeeva's
>father was named Gordeev.
>
><snip -- many more good examples>
>
>John
JQDonna
visited, unfortunately. I really know nothing about how newsgroups work
(mechanics, I mean), but is there not a way to "boot" someone or "ban" them
from being able to post to the group? I am sure it's not possible or you all
would have already done it, but guess I just had to voice it & find out for
sure.
This is a very informative site. I just ignore what I don't like & go on.
Anna Martinsson
And most European countries adds nothing at the end of it.
Anna M
Bucknbonk skrev:
> Yes, Blair is quite right about this, in fact, it is common among most Eastern
> European/Russian/Soviet cultures for the female child to take the father's last
> name, adding an "a" to it, and in some surnames, adding a "-lova." Grinkov
> -----> Grinkova. Tennis great Martina Navratilova is another perfect example;
> her father's last name was Navratil.
>
> Okay, now I'm just waiting for AJL to pick on Martina and *her*
> lifestyle.......
> PLEAE DON'T FEED THE TROLL.
DASBABY932
<<First of all, and this is my opinion, Daria Grinkova looks like a normal
look like she has FAS]>>
Daria is and looks like a normal little girl and nobody without an agenda of
bashing KG would look at her and think she appeared to have FAS. IMO. In the
recent network camera shot from the SOI broadcast, she also appeared to be
growing up to be a extremely pretty little girl. But whether or not one agrees
with that, nobody who has a real familiarity with FAS would look at Daria
Grinkova and honestly think she has it.
IMO, the only reason one poster in particular resorts to bashing the appearance
of Daria Grinkova is because a tactic of the poster in question is to bash
skaters' looks. But Katia Gordeeva is conventionally pretty to such an
obvious extent even this poster cannot assert otherwise. Possibly this vexes
the poster - a preferred avenue of attack closed off by the patently
self-evident. Ergo, let's resort to attacking the appearance of katia's CHILD,
and use a patently ludicrous medical diagnosis as a smokescreen. That
smokescreen can allow the poster to say she's not attacking the child's looks,
but the mother's behavior during pregnancy, and observing a medical condition.
Even though there is no basis in observation - for anyone really familiar with
FAS - to speculate Daria has it. And IMO, this clearly intelligent poster
already knows this.
If one relentlessly finds pretext to post that Daria Grinkova is not
attractive, a poster who claims to protect children and only deal with the
behavior of those above the age of reason could be accused of malicious,
unprovoked attacks on a child because of her dislike for the parent. Hence,
she purports - stupidly for such an intelligent poster - to observe signs of
FAS in Daria - -merely to throw up a false shield for herself, behind which she
can continue to attack the mother, a drive so focused she - a new mother
herself - doesn't hesitate to sacrifice the child to this aim.
How nasty nicknames for the little girl (which we all remember) have any
bearing on the medical condition this poster claims to perceive or the parental
behavior she claims to have had "confirmed" - can never be justified as
anything but an attack on a child. This from a poster who conspicuously
describes herself as an advocate of children. Such protective instincts and
advocacy obviously are readily sacrificed to the gratification from the ng hit
and run.
ea...@ultranet.com
> Hi, I am relatively new to this newsgroup and for that matter, newsgroups in
> general. Also, I guess that at 44 and having lived in downtown Boston for
> 20 years, traveling extensively around the world by myself, attending
> college, etc, I am still somewhat an innocent.
>
> Could someone try to explain to me why some of the people on this list do
> nothing but say terrible things about children, repeat lies and offer up
> their own opinion in the guise of fact? So far my 3 year experience with
> the internet has been SO positive until now. I can't believe that they
> don't have something else to do. And why would they do it to children?
>
Hi All,
I am delurking to agree with Susan that this ng has posts that attack
skaters on a personal level in language that is unecessarily awful. I
have been an active member of at least a dozen ng's and this is THE worst.
I agree that ignoring the offending posts is the only way to get them to
disappear. So I propose that we all exercise a little restraint and the
little angry varmits will go elsewhere.
Better yet - don't even read their posts.
Beth