Karen Kwan enaged to Peter Oppegard??
smak...@hotmail.com
and Peter is 40 and it's old enough to be her fater and I don't think
her parents would approved their daughter to be married this young.
Didn't Karen went to college in Boston? and Peter is a coach in
California? How can they keep thier relationship going if they live in
different coast? Anyone care to comment? Where is Oppegard's dad? I read
some of his message on this broad long time ago. Somehow i think this is
a prank.
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Before you buy.
Tracey Seslen
Frank Downey wrote:
> smak...@hotmail.com wrote in message <8li07r$15o$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>
> >Didn't Karen went to college in Boston? and Peter is a coach in
> >California? How can they keep thier relationship going if they live in
> >different coast?
>
> If my memory is correct--and if Karen completes her degree in
> four years--the upcoming school year will be Karen's last.
>
> Frank
No. When I spoke to Karen at the MIT competition this past March, she said
she was graduating in May. She could have already gone back to California
to be with her family/Peter.
Tracey
Frank Downey
tw...@my-deja.com
Karen graduated from college, MK and Karen took a trip right after the
conclusion of COI tour to Mexico to celebrate Karen's graudation. karen
is back in CA. People who attended the 7/1/00 event at Lake Arrowhead
said Karen's boyfriend was an attractive looking blonde guy.
He is 19 years older than Karen, How long had he been coaching at Ice
castles, Karen and Peter must have known each other for a long time.
Interesting news.
CLC
DG511
think the age difference here is probably a detail. Karen knows his world
(elite figure-skating), but with her college experience that's not the only
thing she knows, so she's got some basis for comparison and probably has some
idea of what kind of lifestyle they'd have. The question I would ask is, how
long have they been involved? That's area where I see room for delusion, not
with them specifically but with any couple.
Daria
BABSKATE
They would seem to be a strange pairing
but who knows maybe it is true.
I believe that she has graduated from college.
If it is true then best wishes to them both!
Barb
Kaiju
smak...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> The odd part is that didn't Peter knows Karen when she was 14 when she
> 1st went to Ice Castle? Didn't Peter sort of saw Karen grew up? Does any
> one find that biazzre? You are enaged to someone that u knew when
> she was a kid...and when she became an adult..you decided to marry her?
> I think this is really a joke.
Big whoop.
It appears you have a personal problem with this age difference issue. A
suggestion: Since you are not involved in the relationship, it shouldn't
bother you, no less concern you. That goes for anyone else.
Ta-ta...
Kaiju <yeeesh...>
--
Before you think, think.
Fiona McQuarrie
: I find this matter really biazzard. 1st of all, Karen is only 22 or 21
: and Peter is 40 and it's old enough to be her fater and I don't think
: her parents would approved their daughter to be married this young.
: California? How can they keep thier relationship going if they live in
: some of his message on this broad long time ago. Somehow i think this is
: a prank.
My comment is that if they are happy, what business is it of yours?
Cheers, Fiona
Vocalise 1
a boyfriend that also attended B.U. for at least the majority of her junior
year. When COI was in town in '99, I saw Karen, Michelle, and Karen's boyfriend
hanging out at Gillian's, a sort of adult arcade. Now, I have no idea whether
Karen and the guy are still together, or if she is indeed engaged to Peter
Oppegard....but somehow I doubt it.
Lori
taboo999
news:20000724220650...@ng-fk1.aol.com...
Did the boyfriend have blond hair?
smak...@hotmail.com
1st went to Ice Castle? Didn't Peter sort of saw Karen grew up? Does any
one find that biazzre? You are enaged to someone that u knew when
she was a kid...and when she became an adult..you decided to marry her?
I think this is really a joke.
capcomop
If it's true then *D#MN* another guy I wouldn't kick out of bed for eating
crackers....gone!
Sigh.....
>and Peter is 40 and it's old enough to be her fater and I don't think
>her parents would approved their daughter to be married this young.
>Didn't Karen went to college in Boston? and Peter is a coach in
>California? How can they keep thier relationship going if they live in
>different coast? Anyone care to comment? Where is Oppegard's dad? I read
>some of his message on this broad long time ago. Somehow i think this is
>a prank.
>
>
Janice
>crackers....gone!
>Sigh....
Doesn't Peter's mother peruse this newsgroup? I'm sure if the information is
incorrect, she would let us know. Besides, the information came from Dave A.
I consider him a reliable source.
Janice
The only disability in life is a bad attitude. -Scott Hamilton
Hattie54
>she was a kid...and when she became an adult..you decided to marry her?
>I think this is really a joke.
Sounds like Scott H. and his old girlfriend . He knew her since she was a kid
and they were " dating" nine years before going their separate ways.
Harriet
Donna Ice
Janice wrote:
--
Peace and Joy,
Donna
toonces
information is
incorrect, she would let us know. Besides, the information came from Dave A.
I consider him a reliable source.>>>
Not sure about his mom coming here - but I know for a fact that his Dad does. I
don't expect him to deny or confirm though.
Toonces (the driving cat)
Tracey Seslen
I though Peter Oppegard's mom was the poster with the screen name "Zucchini"
Tracey
PosterBoy
"Janice" <jani...@aol.comxxxzzy> wrote in message
news:20000725074450...@ng-mf1.aol.com...
> >If it's true then *D#MN* another guy I wouldn't kick out of bed for
eating
> >crackers....gone!
> >Sigh....
>
>
>
is
> incorrect, she would let us know. Besides, the information came from Dave
A.
> I consider him a reliable source.
Dave Amorde?
Does he post on Skatefans?
Thanks.
styli...@my-deja.com
smak...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I find this matter really biazzard. 1st of all, Karen is only 22 or 21
> and Peter is 40 and it's old enough to be her fater and I don't think
> her parents would approved their daughter to be married this young.
> Didn't Karen went to college in Boston? and Peter is a coach in
> California? How can they keep thier relationship going if they live in
> different coast? Anyone care to comment? Where is Oppegard's dad? I
read
> some of his message on this broad long time ago. Somehow i think this
is
> a prank.
Karen and Peter have been dating off and on for at least a couple of
years now. At one point Karen was trying to get Peter to move to NY so
he would be on the east coast. I had heard they are living together in
CA now that she is done with school and back on the west coast.
kbra...@binghamton.edu
I wonder if 'age differences' are more common when people are very wrapped
up in one particular endeavor such as skating. People remark occasionally
about the age difference between Ilya Kulik and Katya Gordeeva, between
Michael and Lisa Weiss, between Doug and Michelle Leigh...but, really,
when so much of one's life is devoted to a particular sport, it makes
sense that a 22 year old skater (who still skates in exhibition-type
contexts, and whose family is still heavily involved in the sport at the
eligible level) would have more in common with a 40 year old skater /
coach than with a 22 year old non-skater.
-- Kate
Dave Amorde
PosterBoy <bra...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:Aykf5.65598$8u4.6...@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com...
>
> "Janice" <jani...@aol.comxxxzzy> wrote in message
> news:20000725074450...@ng-mf1.aol.com...
> >
information
> > is incorrect, she would let us know. Besides, the information came from
> > Dave A.
> > I consider him a reliable source.
>
> Dave Amorde?
> Does he post on Skatefans?
>
Yes, I do, and yes, I did. The information came to me during a club
competition in Lake Arrowhead, where Danny Kwan was also in attendance - I
have big ears.
-Dave- < fly, Dumbo, fly!>
reality_...@my-deja.com
Unfortunately, your big ears heard incorrectly. Karen and Peter are
not engaged. She told me this directly about an hour ago.
Tracey Seslen
reality_...@my-deja.com wrote:
Uh huh. So what is your real name? Why should we trust you? And what
are your connections to the skating world? Until you can answer these
questions in a satisfactory manner, you don't have an ounce of
credibility in this forum.
Tracey
taboo999
"Tracey Seslen" <tse...@athena.dialup.mit.edu> wrote in message
news:397E0DA2...@athena.dialup.mit.edu...
>
>
> reality_...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
To Dave Amorde:
> >
> > Unfortunately, your big ears heard incorrectly. Karen and Peter are
> > not engaged. She told me this directly about an hour ago.
>
> Uh huh. So what is your real name?
I'll take a shot at it and guess Jenny Chin. :-P
PosterBoy
"Dave Amorde" <KillFi...@Prodigion.com> wrote in message
news:8lkqp...@news1.newsguy.com...
>
> PosterBoy <bra...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:Aykf5.65598$8u4.6...@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com...
> >
> > "Janice" <jani...@aol.comxxxzzy> wrote in message
> > news:20000725074450...@ng-mf1.aol.com...
> > >
> > > Doesn't Peter's mother peruse this newsgroup? I'm sure if the
> information
> > > is incorrect, she would let us know. Besides, the information came
from
> > > Dave A.
> > > I consider him a reliable source.
> >
> > Dave Amorde?
> > Does he post on Skatefans?
> >
>
> Yes, I do, and yes, I did. The information came to me during a club
> competition in Lake Arrowhead, where Danny Kwan was also in attendance - I
> have big ears.
>
> -Dave- < fly, Dumbo, fly!>
<G>
Cheers.
Michsktr
It is not politically correct to discuss homosexual relationships, speculate
about-shared telephone numbers or phony girl friends.
Yet it is ok to take Karen Kwan and Peter Oppergard apart for possibly entering
into what, to most, is a perfectly normal and accepted heterosexual
relationship. They may or may not be engaged. But, if they are why should not
such a relationship be cheered because two people have found each other. The
comments speculating on the looks of children possibly resulting from a match
of Karen and Peter are especially revealing. At least with the homosexual
relationships there can be not opportunity to comment on resulting children
Comments on that decry the age difference between Karen and Peter again show
the double standard. No one seems to be interested in examining the age
differences between a number of well-known homosexual relationships.
If it were not for the double standard that is again apparent in this thread I
should end with LOL, but it is instead a sad commentary.
TCAXEL
***************
>It is not politically correct to discuss homosexual relationships, speculate
about-shared telephone numbers or phony girl friends
*********************
Like ANY newsgroup, there is no unanimous consensus. Some felt that the facts
didn';t warrant discussion, others felt the people involved publicly identified
themselves as in a relationship. It was a discussion that was not resolved
>Yet it is ok to take Karen Kwan and Peter Oppergard apart for possibly
entering
into what, to most, is a perfectly normal and accepted heterosexual
relationship. They may or may not be engaged. But, if they are why should not
such a relationship be cheered because two people have found each other
***************
Please note: many posters have said as much, that they are happy fo them. Among
them Kate Bratton, Kaiju, etc.
> The comments speculating on the looks of children possibly resulting from a
match
of Karen and Peter are especially revealing.
*****************
Please note: those derogatory comments have come from trolls, namely Ron Ny
(running nose), a particularly odious and persistent troll who seems fixated on
the looks of skaters. I don't think such comments "reveal" anything about most
regular posters of this ng who repudiate such posts.
>At least with the homosexual
>relationships there can be not opportunity to comment on resulting children
*************
?????
>Comments on that decry the age difference between Karen and Peter again show
the double standard. No one seems to be interested in examining the age
differences between a number of well-known homosexual relationships.
************
Well, you're right. Some would rather not. Some would. Talk about age
differences. But since I don't know what "well-known" homosexual relationships
you're talking about I'll leave it at that.
Once again, reread all the posts. Some people have questioned the
age-difference, whereas other posters have basically said, "so what? as long
they're happy"
And I do recall that once the Maurizi/Callaghan issue hit the fan last year
there was ample discussion of the age issue, and in that instance, it was of a
homosexual nature.
>If it were not for the double standard that is again apparent in this thread
I should end with LOL, but it is instead a sad commentary.
*********************
I can understand you disagreeing with some of the posts; but when others have
objected to the same things you have, and have posted in DEFENSE of the couple,
it seems a bit harsh to call up a double standard for the whole newsgroup.
THEO
Joelle
>the double standard
Ahem. Please note who is discussing this relationship. It's the same people
who gossip about homosexuals. You don't see the people who oppose gossip
discussing these two.
When there is an official announcement I will offer my congratulations.
Joelle
Kitties are on the farm now.
Janice
LOL Taboo999, I'd almost forgotten about Jenny.
Tracey Seslen
>
> >Comments on that decry the age difference between Karen and Peter again show
> the double standard. No one seems to be interested in examining the age
> differences between a number of well-known homosexual relationships.
> ************
> Well, you're right. Some would rather not. Some would. Talk about age
> differences. But since I don't know what "well-known" homosexual relationships
> you're talking about I'll leave it at that.
>
> Once again, reread all the posts. Some people have questioned the
> age-difference, whereas other posters have basically said, "so what? as long
> they're happy"
>
> And I do recall that once the Maurizi/Callaghan issue hit the fan last year
> there was ample discussion of the age issue, and in that instance, it was of a
> homosexual nature.
But they weren't a couple! Age only mattered in regard to the criminal charges
attached with abusing/having sex with a minor...
You know, I'm kind of surprised that no one has yet brought up the case of
Katherine Healy and Peter Burrows. Just imagine if Peter Oppegard had been Karen's
coach at one time...then I think people might start to question the chain of events
that led up to this alleged engagement.
Tracey
Minibeads
> she was a kid...
Huh? Lotsa folks marry people they knew as kids. Just because he wasn't a kid
at the same time she was, I don't understand what's bizarre about that.
Love changes with age. Look how many times/ways it changes between a child and
parents throughout life.
minibeads
philou.meresse
<smak...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message :
8li07r$15o$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> I find this matter really biazzard. 1st of all, Karen is only 22 or 21
> and Peter is 40 and it's old enough to be her fater and I don't think
> her parents would approved their daughter to be married this young.
> Didn't Karen went to college in Boston? and Peter is a coach in
> California? How can they keep thier relationship going if they live in
> different coast? Anyone care to comment? Where is Oppegard's dad? I
read
> some of his message on this broad long time ago. Somehow i think this
is
> a prank.
Always the same, the man is older and the woman is too young and people
look at them as animals from another world.
I think if there are in love together and if their age doesn't make them
embarassed, it doesn't make any matters. So it isn't our business, well,
except we are very happy, aren't we? :o)
Bye
Bastien
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.multimania.com/mmeresse/deep1/
SB world
Olivia: Go to hell.
Annie: Probably.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sandra Loosemore
> You know, I'm kind of surprised that no one has yet brought up the
> case of Katherine Healy and Peter Burrows.
This *was* discussed last summer, when we were talking generally about
the ethics of sexual/romantic relationships between (older) coaches
and their students. Other examples that were cited were Michelle and
Doug Leigh, and Michael Weiss and Lisa Thornton as an example where
there's a considerable age difference in the other direction.
-Sandra
TFBWWW
>there's a considerable age difference
but that one was arranged.
TFBWWW
kbra...@binghamton.edu
> It is amazing to watch the doulbe standard in action for this thread.
>
> It is not politically correct to discuss homosexual relationships, speculate
> about-shared telephone numbers or phony girl friends.
>
> Yet it is ok to take Karen Kwan and Peter Oppergard apart for possibly entering
> into what, to most, is a perfectly normal and accepted heterosexual
> relationship. They may or may not be engaged.
It's only a double standard if the same people who are suggesting that
it's not okay to speculate that people with shared telephone numbers are
having a sexual relationship...are the same people who are taking KK and
PO 'apart' for their (rumored) relationship.
Are there lots of people who have done both?
-- Kate
Dimarela
>there's a considerable age difference in the other direction.
>
What is the difference in there ages??
Trudi Marrapodi
mich...@aol.com (Michsktr) wrote:
> It is amazing to watch the doulbe standard in action for this thread.
>
> It is not politically correct to discuss homosexual relationships, speculate
> about-shared telephone numbers or phony girl friends.
>
> Yet it is ok to take Karen Kwan and Peter Oppergard apart for possibly
entering
> into what, to most, is a perfectly normal and accepted heterosexual
> relationship. They may or may not be engaged. But, if they are why should not
> such a relationship be cheered because two people have found each other. The
> comments speculating on the looks of children possibly resulting from a match
> of Karen and Peter are especially revealing. At least with the homosexual
> relationships there can be not opportunity to comment on resulting children
No, it is NOT OK. I have always decried the "double standard" when it
comes to gossip here.
> Comments on that decry the age difference between Karen and Peter again show
> the double standard. No one seems to be interested in examining the age
> differences between a number of well-known homosexual relationships.
>
> If it were not for the double standard that is again apparent in this thread I
> should end with LOL, but it is instead a sad commentary.
I hate double standards. You don't see me following them.
--
Trudi
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Sandra Loosemore
10 years, I think. Weiss had barely turned 21 when they married, and
Thornton was 30 or 31. After that they stopped talking about her age
entirely. :-P
-Sandra
Vespertine
<<
> >and Michael Weiss and Lisa Thornton as an example where
> >there's a considerable age difference in the other direction.>>
And speaking of Michael Weiss, did anyone notice that in many of the pictures
of Lance Armstrong after his Tour de France victory, he was holding his new
baby?
I'm surprised not to have heard any complaints about him flaunting his
heterosexuality <g>.
Suzanne Lainson
Sandra Loosemore wrote:
> 10 years, I think. Weiss had barely turned 21 when they married, and
> Thornton was 30 or 31. After that they stopped talking about her age
> entirely. :-P
>
> -Sandra
I don't think this relationship would have provoked all that much
comment if it had been kept out of the news. Many skaters have private
lives fans know relatively little about it. And had Michael quietly
gotten married to his older choreographer, it might have raised some
eyebrows in skating gossip circles, but wouldn't have been as likely to
be discussed here. I mean, I have heard about skating relationships
which haven't appeared here. People who are going to rinks on a
day-to-day basis know who is involved with whom. Most of that stuff
doesn't get to rssif.
Mike gets the scrutiny because he invites the attention.
I don't think the difference between Burrows/Healy and Weiss/Thormton
has as much to do with a double standard as it does with sought after
publicity or lack of it.
Suzanne
Frank Downey
Vespertine wrote in message
<20000726181523...@ng-fu1.aol.com>...
> And speaking of Michael Weiss, did anyone notice that in many of the
pictures
>of Lance Armstrong after his Tour de France victory, he was holding his new
>baby?
> I'm surprised not to have heard any complaints about him flaunting his
>heterosexuality <g>.
Naah, just the kid. And anyone who's overcome *testicular*
cancer can flaunt his kid all he wants <G>
Frank
Kaiju
Precisely. Given the circumstances, he can even ride that kid a lap around
the track during the award ceremony.
Kaiju <or whatever they do to celebrate the Tour de France victory...>
--
Before you think, think.
Trudi Marrapodi
vespe...@aol.com (Vespertine) wrote:
> someone asked:
> <<
> > >and Michael Weiss and Lisa Thornton as an example where
> > >there's a considerable age difference in the other direction.>>
>
> And speaking of Michael Weiss, did anyone notice that in many of the
pictures
> of Lance Armstrong after his Tour de France victory, he was holding his new
> baby?
> I'm surprised not to have heard any complaints about him flaunting his
> heterosexuality <g>.
Ah, he's not flaunting his heterosexuality. He's flaunting the fact that
he prepared ahead, and that testicular cancer did not prevent him from
becoming a father after the fact. Good for him.
Suzanne Lainson
TFBWWW wrote:
> but that will never happen for scott hamillton.
>
> TFBWWW
So you are saying that Hamilton, unlike Armstrong, did not save sperm for
future use? And that Scott would not choose to father a child through
artifical insemination? You know all of this?
Suzanne
Suzanne Lainson
TFBWWW wrote:
> no im not saying that. im saying that unless he hires a surragate he is not
> going to be a father. he dumped karin you know.
>
> as if that was a real relationship.
>
> TFBWWW
So Karen was his only hope to be a father? Well, I'll be. I had no idea.
Suzanne
Suzanne Lainson
Ron Ng wrote:
> Future use with whom? Men don't have babies.
>
> Ron Ng Knows!
You guys are really yet dumb. Let's assume, as you assert, that Scott is gay
(which is contrary to the discussions I was hearing 10 years ago). Gay guys
become fathers. A man's ability to father children has absolutely nothing to
with sexual preference. I had a gay friend who was planning to marry a
lesbian friend because they both wanted to be parents.
Suzanne
Suzanne Lainson
Now just so we can get off of trying to out individual skaters, let's just say
they are all gay and be done with it. Out them all. There's not a straight male
or female skater anywhere. Now, there is no shock value left. Really, they are
ALL gay.
Suzanne
Suzanne Lainson
TFBWWW wrote:
> but only when they pay surragates to have babies or when they adopt.
>
> TFBWWW
You know, gay guys can and have done it with women. How do you think all
those closeted married guys manage to have children?
Suzanne
Suzanne Lainson
because he and Scott were fighting over Katia?
Suzanne
TFBWWW
>he prepared ahead, and that testicular cancer did not prevent him from
>becoming a father after the fact.
but that will never happen for scott hamillton.
TFBWWW
TFBWWW
>future use?
he said he did.
>Scott would not choose to father a child through
>artifical insemination? You know all of this?
no im not saying that. im saying that unless he hires a surragate he is not
TFBWWW
> Gay guys
>become fathers.
TFBWWW
actualy karin wasnt his hope at all since that was a fake relationship. and he
is not in a new relationship. at least not with a female.
TFBWWW
TFBWWW
thats not very fair to the women they lie to.
TFBWWW
Virginia Blalock
<slai...@sportstrust.com> wrote:
>> as if that was a real relationship.
>>
>> TFBWWW
>
>So Karen was his only hope to be a father? Well, I'll be. I had no idea.
You mean you didn't know that Scott has decided to become a skating
monk? Girl, you're behind on your gossip! :)
The Skating Rink http://www.visionsnet.com/skate/index.html
Figure Skating at esportfans.com
http://www.esportfans.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi5/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro&category=3
TFBWWW
>because he and Scott were fighting over Katia?
no silly. kurt wasnt in soi because he and katya had an affair and his wife
was steamed. kurt and scott were not fighting over katya.
TFBWWW
janet swan hill
>
>TFBWWW
uhhh. no. (are you really that naive?)
In any case, I'm with Suzanne. Let's just say they are all gay and have done
with it. Nevermind the womanizing. Never mind the heterosexual affairs.
Never mind the kids. Never mind the marriages. Never mind common sense.
Never mind intelligence. Never mind that most of us here don't know these
folks, and most of us have never even seen them "close up". They're all gay
(of couse, some are more joyous than others). Now, can we move on?
moving on ........
I'd like to thank Lorrie and Sylvia for their reports from Wissahikon,
especially since the coverage told me about what's happening with the daughter
of a childhood friend of whom I had lost track.
I'm delighted to hear about Delmore's "resurgence" following his graduation.
I'm glad to hear that Jeremy Allen has found a new partner and they're looking
good. I'm excited to hear about the good field in Novice Ladies. I'm
bemused to see that a skater of my acquaintance who, I had thought, quit
competitive skating, actually shows up at Wissahikon, thousands of miles from
her home, for a summer competition. I guess she didn't quit after all.
janet
Trudi Marrapodi
<slai...@sportstrust.com> wrote:
There you go! And so is everyone else. Everyone should be assumed gay
until you start hearing rumors that they're straight--right?
It's like that movie IN AND OUT, in which everyone starts standing up at
the end and yelling "I'M GAY!" as a show of solidarity.
Isn't there a story about at least one place during WWII in which everyone
wore a yellow star so the Nazis couldn't tell who the real Jews were?
And with that..."Hitler"...
Trudi Marrapodi
<slai...@sportstrust.com> wrote:
> Wasn't it just two years ago that people were saying Kurt wasn't in SOI
> because he and Scott were fighting over Katia?
>
> Suzanne
True. But you see, the trolls, in their eagerness to rip on skaters any
way they can, sometimes tell conflicting tales about skaters. One second
their Most Hated Skater is having an affair with some woman he shouldn't
be sleeping with; the next second, they decide he's gay, because that
sounds more scandalous. It's kinda amusing to watch their lies shift and
change over the years.
Minibeads
After Katia, maybe a man doesn't want another woman?
toonces
everyone
wore a yellow star so the Nazis couldn't tell who the real Jews were?
And with that..."Hitler"...
--
Trudi>>>.
Yes - there is. I believe it was the residents of an entire country. Holland, I
think.
Toonces (the driving cat)
toonces
Tracey>>>>
Tracey - If Zuccini wants to reveal his/her identity, I'm sure he/she will....
Toonces (the driving cat)
Tracey Seslen
toonces wrote:
Toonces, I assure you there is no way I would know this unless at some point
Zucchini or some other reputable poster (i.e. Trudi, Peg, Dave, etc.) on r.s.s.i.f.
said it in explicit terms. It's not a guess or a hunch.
Tracey
SophiaS371
>- there is. I believe it was the residents of an entire country. Holland, I
>think.
no, it was denmark or sweden. i'm ashamed to say i can't remember which but i
do believe it was sweden.
sophia
PegLewis
As I recall, she identified herself in her own posts.
Peg
TFBWWW
why. is she that good.
TFBWWW
toonces
Peg>>>>
Is it possible, then, that Mr and Mrs. O. share the screen name?. I absolutely
spoke with Mr. not Mrs.
Toonces (who never meant to imply that Tracey was revealing something she
shouldn't.)
Toonces (the driving cat)
sprin...@my-deja.com
No, it was Denmark. Ernest Gann wrote a great novel about it entitled
NIGHT OF WATCHING.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
toonces
>From: ssto...@aol.commeow (toonces)
>- there is. I believe it was the residents of an entire country. Holland, I
>think.
no, it was denmark or sweden. i'm ashamed to say i can't remember which but i
do believe it was sweden.
sophia
>>>>
You're right, Sophia. It was Denmark. It's actually an apocryphal story though.
When Hitler upon invading Denmark said to King Christian of Denmark "the Jews
must wear yellow stars", the King replied "certainly" and proceeded to put a
star on himself. Hitler, realizing that the stars wouldn't work as he intended,
never imposed the "star" rule.
Obskating: anyone know what's up with the Israeli skater (male - name Michael?)
who stopped competing for a while?
.
Toonces (the driving cat)
Ellyn
> Obskating: anyone know what's up with the Israeli skater (male - name
Michael?)> who stopped competing for a while?
Michael Shmerkin? He did compete this year; I forget how he did at
Europeans. Evidently he has been training (and coaching?) in Virginia; I
saw him skate at a send-off exhibition before Worlds where he *skated*
very well but had some troubles with the jumps (although he had been
attempting and not quite completing triple axel-triple toe in the
warmup, a combination I'd never seen from him before). At Worlds he
evidently had more troubles and didn't get past the qualifying round.
-Ellyn
SophiaS371
>Date: 7/28/00 11:22 AM Central
> no, it was denmark or sweden. . . . but i do believe it was sweden.
>>
>> sophia
>
>No, it was Denmark. Ernest Gann wrote a great novel about it entitled
>NIGHT OF WATCHING.
>
oops, well, you know they say the first thing that goes is your hearing or your
memory--i just can't remember which.
sophia
oops
DG511
>> And speaking of Michael Weiss, did anyone notice that in many of the
>pictures
>> of Lance Armstrong after his Tour de France victory, he was holding his new
>> baby?
>> I'm surprised not to have heard any complaints about him flaunting his
>> heterosexuality <g>.
>
>Ah, he's not flaunting his heterosexuality. He's flaunting the fact that
>he prepared ahead, and that testicular cancer did not prevent him from
>becoming a father after the fact. Good for him.
I think the message Armstrong is trying to send has to do with getting regular
check-ups and promoting early detection, because it's not only possible to live
a normal life after testicular cancer (presumably including fatherhood) but you
can go back to being whatever level of jock you were before, including a great
one. I think ability to reproduce and "jockitude" are two major male values in
this culture. And I'm sure I'll be corrected if anyone thinks I'm wrong.
Daria
TFBWWW
>a normal life after testicular cancer (presumably including fatherhood)
not for scott hamillton.
TFBWWW
kbra...@binghamton.edu
> Michael Shmerkin? He did compete this year; I forget how he did at
> Europeans. Evidently he has been training (and coaching?) in Virginia; I
> saw him skate at a send-off exhibition before Worlds where he *skated*
> very well but had some troubles with the jumps (although he had been
> attempting and not quite completing triple axel-triple toe in the
> warmup, a combination I'd never seen from him before). At Worlds he
> evidently had more troubles and didn't get past the qualifying round.
>
He came in 19th -- there was some talk of tension about skating in Vienna
because of the Freedom Party's rise to power. The results at Worlds
indicate that he has been generally struggling, though. It's a shame --
Shmerkin is someone who I'd like to see have a decent pro career, and it's
difficult enough to do that if you're a second-tier skater. Struggling in
your last couple of eligible years (he's 30) must make it even more
difficult.
-- Kate
blo...@my-deja.com
dg...@aol.comDaria (DG511) wrote:
> Trudi wrote:
>
> >> And speaking of Michael Weiss, did anyone notice that in many of
the
> >pictures
> >> of Lance Armstrong after his Tour de France victory, he was
holding his new
> >> baby?
> >> I'm surprised not to have heard any complaints about him
flaunting his
> >> heterosexuality <g>.
> >
> >Ah, he's not flaunting his heterosexuality. He's flaunting the fact
that
> >he prepared ahead, and that testicular cancer did not prevent him
from
> >becoming a father after the fact. Good for him.
>
> I think the message Armstrong is trying to send has to do with
getting regular
possible to live
> a normal life after testicular cancer (presumably including
> can go back to being whatever level of jock you were before,
including a great
> one. I think ability to reproduce and "jockitude" are two major male
values in
> this culture. And I'm sure I'll be corrected if anyone thinks I'm
wrong.
I agree, Daria. But I would also add that with respect to Lance
Armstrong, the grueling 21 stage journey of the Tour de France kept him
from enjoying his loved ones. At the end of that journey, I can only
imagine how grateful he was to be able to embrace his wife and son.
And, in cycling, the loved ones are right there at the end of the
road ... along with the media ... Lance didn't carry his son on his
shoulders for the last mile of the ride. Moreover, people's tolerance
for seeing Lance with his son is probably greater than Weiss with his
as the Tour is the only major cycling event of the year that gets any
media coverage to speak of. We don't exactly get inundated with photo
ops of Lance/Luke (but many of us would probably say that we got
downright tired of seeing Weiss with his babies -- and both of them).
blondee
TCAXEL
>ops of Lance/Luke (but many of us would probably say that we got
>downright tired of seeing Weiss with his babies -- and both of them).
>
>blondee
Sigh.
Jeez. If that was the worst of Weiss crimes.............
THEO
blo...@my-deja.com
I'd hardly call it a crime, Theo. But there certainly has been quite a
lot of criticism on this ng re Weiss and his children, and certainly
not simply because Weiss was seen throughout the season pictured with
his children. We all recall, I'm sure, the chicken pox episode. For
that, the criticism was deserved, IMO.
May he and his children share many more happy (and healthy!) moments
together at the rink.
Grrrr8 sk8
> > We don't exactly get inundated with photo
> >ops of Lance/Luke (but many of us would probably say that we got
> >downright tired of seeing Weiss with his babies -- and both of them).
> >
> >blondee
> *****************
> Sigh.
>
> Jeez. If that was the worst of Weiss crimes.............
>
> THEO
I'd hardly call it a crime, Theo. But there certainly has been quite a
lot of criticism on this ng re Weiss and his children>>
Well, you are correct. There has been a LOT of criticism for him brandying (is
that the correct word? Someone correct me if I am misusing or spelling it) his
kid about. But there has also been an AWFUL lot of talk about peoples'
sexuality on this newsgroup. So the mere fact that people are talking about it
on this newsgroup in a certain context doesn't make the topic or context all
that important or relevant.
<< and certainly not simply because Weiss was seen throughout the season
pictured with his children. We all recall, I'm sure, the chicken pox episode.
For that, the criticism was deserved, IMO.
>>
Well, see above comment.
Mike
W
PosterBoy
"Grrrr8 sk8" <grrr...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000729111141...@ng-cf1.aol.com...
> Well, you are correct. There has been a LOT of criticism for him
brandying (is
> that the correct word? Someone correct me if I am misusing or spelling it)
his
> kid about.
Heeeeeere comes the ambulance................
The medics leap out....................
"Quick, the bandages"...................
It's b-A-n-d-y.
(Only when St. Bernards are performing the rescue is it bRandy!!! ) <g>
Cheers.
SophiaS371
>(snip) (but many of us would probably say that we got downright tired of
seeing Weiss with his babies -- and both of them).
>>
>>blondee
>*****************
>Sigh.
>
>Jeez. If that was the worst of Weiss crimes.............
>
>THEO
i agree wholeheartedly with you, theo. but i am curious how many of the folks
who object to sightings of mw with his children are parents themselves.
sophia
whatever
>i agree wholeheartedly with you, theo. but i am curious how
many of the folks
>who object to sightings of mw with his children are parents
themselves.
>
>sophia
>
>
It seems like many of them are people who don't particularly
like Mike so they will use any excuse they can to criticize him.
whatever
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DG511
writes:
>>i agree wholeheartedly with you, theo. but i am curious how
>many of the folks
>>who object to sightings of mw with his children are parents
>themselves.
>>
>>sophia
>>
>>
>It seems like many of them are people who don't particularly
>like Mike so they will use any excuse they can to criticize him.
>
No, for many it gets back to the whole sexual preference thing. Is he trying
too hard to show the world evidence that he's straight? Some people suspect
that he is doing just that.
Others don't care about skaters' personal lives and don't like fluff pieces on
anyone. And when there is a fluff piece on Weiss, it tends to focus on him as
"family man."
And finally, a few of us thought it was stupid to take a sick baby to a crowded
arena, like he did at Nationals. It didn't do anyone any good, especially the
baby.
I like the man's skating. I'm not a big fan of fluff pieces in general, and I
think the baby should have been kept somewhere more comfortable so he could
have gotten some rest where it was quiet. Yet there are those in this ng who
will accuse me of being anti-Weiss or anti-kid. Neither is true.
And that's all I've got to say about it *this* time.
Daria
Kaiju
SophiaS371 wrote:
>
> >From: tca...@aol.com (TCAXEL)
>
> >(snip) (but many of us would probably say that we got downright tired of
> seeing Weiss with his babies -- and both of them).
> >>
> >>blondee
> >*****************
> >Sigh.
> >
> >Jeez. If that was the worst of Weiss crimes.............
> >
> >THEO
>
> i agree wholeheartedly with you, theo. but i am curious how many of the folks
> who object to sightings of mw with his children are parents themselves.
I believe that horse's corpse has been adequately flogged at this point.
Kaiju
--
Before you think, think.
toonces
at
Europeans. Evidently he has been training (and coaching?) in Virginia; I
saw him skate at a send-off exhibition before Worlds where he *skated*
very well but had some troubles with the jumps (although he had been
attempting and not quite completing triple axel-triple toe in the
warmup, a combination I'd never seen from him before). At Worlds he
evidently had more troubles and didn't get past the qualifying round.
>>>>
Thanks, Ellyn - yes it's Michael Schmerkin. Glad to hear he's still skating. I
hope he makes it far enough to be shown on TV. He has a wonderful style.
Toonces (the driving cat)
whatever
>>It seems like many of them are people who don't particularly
>>like Mike so they will use any excuse they can to criticize
him.
>>
>
>No, for many it gets back to the whole sexual preference
thing. Is he trying
>too hard to show the world evidence that he's straight? Some
people suspect
>that he is doing just that.
And love to make something out of nothing by endlessly
complaining about it.
>
>Others don't care about skaters' personal lives and don't like
fluff pieces on
>anyone. And when there is a fluff piece on Weiss, it tends to
focus on him as
>"family man."
>
Most likely because there aren't any other American skaters with
children. If more skaters had them, you would see less of his.
It's been ages since I've seen a decent "fluff piece" on anyone.
Trudi Marrapodi
ssto...@aol.commeow (toonces) wrote:
My understanding is that he's also had difficulty focusing on/affording
skating because of a nasty divorce he's been working through. Probably
doesn't help. Too bad. One of my lasting memories of skating is him saying
a prayer on the ice at Skate Canada after Rabin was assassinated.
--
Trudi
Just Another Ventilator of Ice Skating Around the World
****Be Stupidly Happy, RSSIFers! Take the Pledge!****
Donna Ice
Michael Weiss show off his kids. Enough already -- we get it! You're proud and
we know it!
SophiaS371 wrote:
> >From: tca...@aol.com (TCAXEL)
>
> >(snip) (but many of us would probably say that we got downright tired of
> seeing Weiss with his babies -- and both of them).
> >>
> >>blondee
> >*****************
> >Sigh.
> >
> >Jeez. If that was the worst of Weiss crimes.............
> >
> >THEO
>
> i agree wholeheartedly with you, theo. but i am curious how many of the folks
> who object to sightings of mw with his children are parents themselves.
>
> sophia
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i remember..I cried!
it really moved me...i really like that kid.
Shelly
Podium99
>information is
>incorrect, she would let us know. Besides, the information came from Dave A.
>
>I consider him a reliable source.>>>
danny was telling some people at the rink i guess dave over heard. danny is
pretty happy.this is one i'll get attend. boy this skating is really full of
surprizes.
Amy
PosterBoy wrote:
> "Grrrr8 sk8" wrote (about Weiss):
> > There has been a LOT of criticism for him
> brandying (is
> > that the correct word? Someone correct me if I am misusing or spelling it)
> his
> > kid about.
>
> Heeeeeere comes the ambulance................
> The medics leap out....................
> "Quick, the bandages"...................
> It's b-A-n-d-y.
Or -- brandish: "to wave menancingly or as a challenge; to flourish."
As in, "Michael brandishes his children about to any who question his
heterosexuality." <g>
Amy
(wondering what this has to do with Karen and Peter anymore)
Grrrr8 sk8
Mike
Hattie54
>downright tired of seeing Weiss with his babies -- and both of them).
>
>blondee
Who knows ? There may be a third one someday .<G>
Harriet
speed
Who (besides you) really cares?
Podium99
>competition in Lake Arrowhead, where Danny Kwan was also in attendance - I
>have big ears.
>
>-Dave- < fly, Dumbo, fly!>
well a point for you at least you are not claming to be danny's best friend. i
knew you over heard it. and the kilfile poddy is adding to my fame. posters
asking if iam kilfile poddy in e mail. yes iam i like it.
rla...@ziplink.net
revj...@aol.comnospam (Joelle) wrote:
> >Comments on that decry the age difference between Karen and Peter
again show
> >the double standard
>
> Ahem. Please note who is discussing this relationship. It's the
same people
> who gossip about homosexuals. You don't see the people who oppose
gossip
> discussing these two.
Actually, I've seen several members of the RSSIF "gossip police"
participating in this thread. Certainly there hasn't been the loud,
indignant "we don't talk about personal relationships unless they're
public" outcry that there normally is about relationship-gossip.
There really is a double standard. If someone had posted that they
overheard at a rink that Male Skater X's parent said Male Skater X and
Male Coach Y were planning a commitment ceremony, people would come
down on that person like a ton of bricks and then said "We'd act just
the same if they were straight." Baloney!
> When there is an official announcement I will offer my
congratulations.
Well at least one person here isn't acting like a hypocrit, although
I'd put it that if the scenario I mentioned above had happened, Joelle
would be condemning the gossip more vociferously.
--Ruth
--
" ... [O]nly with effortless technique can artistry truly speak ...."
Peg Lewis.
"Art cannot be subordinate to its subject, otherwise it is not art but
biography, and biography is the mesh through which our real life
escapes." Tom Stoppard -- "Inventions of Love"
kbra...@binghamton.edu
> participating in this thread. Certainly there hasn't been the loud,
> indignant "we don't talk about personal relationships unless they're
> public" outcry that there normally is about relationship-gossip.
>
I agree. My personal standard for when something is inappropriate isn't
really whether it's gossip or not -- it's whether it's nasty and
ill-intentioned. This rumor (which may be true -- but as of now, from the
perspective of this ng, it's a rumor) wasn't either of those, so I didn't
have a problem with it. But it's undeniably gossip, by any definition
I've ever seen. I'm also surprised that there wasn't any outcry.
-- Kate
Sandra Loosemore
> I agree. My personal standard for when something is inappropriate isn't
> really whether it's gossip or not -- it's whether it's nasty and
> ill-intentioned. This rumor (which may be true -- but as of now, from the
> perspective of this ng, it's a rumor) wasn't either of those, so I didn't
> have a problem with it. But it's undeniably gossip, by any definition
> I've ever seen. I'm also surprised that there wasn't any outcry.
Is it really "gossip" if the person who reports it gets the
information directly from the parent of the skater involved? I
generally consider that parents and coaches are reliable sources of
information about their skaters, and that they would not pass on news
that wasn't OK to make public.
What I tend to be wary of is stuff that comes from unknown sources or
that appears to be third- or fourth-hand information, possibly coming
from a source who has something to gain by spreading ill-intentioned
rumors.
As an example, at Skate Detroit, a skater told a friend of mine that
zie had heard from zir coach that Braden Overett had quit skating.
(Braden was practically the only senior man from the whole Midwestern
section who was not competing in Detroit, and people were wondering
about his absence.) Well, Braden has *not* quit skating. Even before
I verified that, I was instantly suspicious of the report that he had
quit, not only because I'd talked to him myself only two months ago,
but because the report came from someone who doesn't have any direct
contact with him. (Braden trains in Colorado and the rumor came from
someone in the Eastern Great Lakes region.) And yes, it was suggested
that the coach who was spreading the unfounded rumor was deliberately
trying to do Braden a disservice.
-Sandra
kbra...@binghamton.edu
> information directly from the parent of the skater involved? I
> generally consider that parents and coaches are reliable sources of
> information about their skaters, and that they would not pass on news
> that wasn't OK to make public.
>
Well, I *still* haven't unpacked my dictionary in my office. Second time
this week I've needed it. :) But I would guess yes: that people can
gossip
about things they know to be true. So, if skater A leaves her husband, it
may be confirmed -- but all discussions of it are still gossip, I think.
(?)
I've always thought it odd that people on this ng sometimes say that we
discourage discussions of personal lives, when in fact it seems perfectly
okay to discuss personal lives, as long as the info comes from a credible
source -- however unsavory the information.
This particular subject matter isn't all that unsavory. But it also isn't
confirmed -- Dave may have overheard it, and I tend to trust Dave, but the
main parties involved don't seem to have made any statements.
-- Kate
kbra...@binghamton.edu
Actually, let me correct myself -- it isn't unsavory at all. :)
-- Kate
Smallovian Insider
<kbra...@binghamton.edu> writes:
>I've always thought it odd that people on this ng sometimes say that we
>discourage discussions of personal lives, when in fact it seems perfectly
>okay to discuss personal lives, as long as the info comes from a credible
>source -- however unsavory the information.
What the FAQ discourages, in fact, is this:
quote:
* Don't post unverified second-hand rumors or malicious/defamatory
gossip about skaters (or their coaches or parents). Likewise,
don't believe every rumor you see posted here -- for example,
"news" that some skater has decided to turn pro, or that a pair
or dance team has broken up. It sometimes happens that so many
people repeat or comment on or speculate about a rumor that it's
hard to tell what the truth is. Instead of propagating the rumor
further by posting followups, look for confirmation from reliable
sources such as news reports or people who have spoken directly
with the skater or their parent, coach, or agent.
endquote.
It amuses me - bemuses me, even ;^) - to see "all" gossip discouraged by folks
- that's careless quotation of the FAQ. It's "malicious/defamatory gossip"
that's discouraged by the FAQ.
Now, if any of you (the general "you") think it's malicious or defamatory to
chat about an impending heterosexual wedding, feel free to rip folks for
chatting about an impending heterosexual wedding. Me, I don't see an impending
heterosexual wedding as being malicious or defamatory. As a rule, I don't get
all excited about weddings anyway, but that's just me.
I can't speak for anyone else, of course, so I'm sure someone somewhere will be
offended by wedding chat, or claim there's a double standard. I don't see it.
By the same token, folks will be excited by impending wedding chat. More power
to them, as long as it's skating-related, and last time I checked, both the
bride and groom were involved in skating, so what the heck is the problem with
this thread?
Peg, scratching her head in confusion
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