The Perfect Lutz
SBachmai
Lots of discussion lately about (f)lutzes and how many skaters don't really
have a good lutz.
Who has (or had) a really great lutz? Or even a satisfactory one?
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WIsil
Paul Wylie and Nancy Kerrigan had just about as perfect as you can get lutzes.
Major kudos to their coaches!!!!!
Wendy
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talk a lot, pick a little more!"
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Dave Amorde
WIsil wrote in message <19990104164149...@ng-ca1.aol.com>...
>>Who has (or had) a really great lutz? Or even a satisfactory one?
>
>Paul Wylie and Nancy Kerrigan had just about as perfect as you can get
lutzes.
>Major kudos to their coaches!!!!!
>
Perhaps I could add to the question by giving an additional condition:
"...entered from connecting moves." Kinda limits the field, doesn't it? As
for the answer, I'd say I don't know of a skater with a truly reliable lutz
from connecting moves.
-Dave-
Skatephile
>"...entered from connecting moves." Kinda limits the field, doesn't it? As
>for the answer, I'd say I don't know of a skater with a truly reliable lutz
>from connecting moves.
>
>-Dave-
Michael Weiss does decent footwork into his 3lutz as required element in his
short program this season.
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Yes indeed, to the Scotvolds (they had the same coach)
Steven Kan
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> >Who has (or had) a really great lutz? Or even a satisfactory one?
>
> Paul Wylie and Nancy Kerrigan had just about as perfect as you can get lutzes.
I don't know if it made it into the televised version, but Paul did
indeed have a picture perfect lutz in last year's Brian Boitano's
Holiday Skating Spectacular (love that name).
The approach was carved (sorry, I don't know the technical term, so I'm
borrowing snowboarding/skiing terminology here), so there could be no
doubt about the outside edge. And it was quick, too. None of the that
ten-second-length-of-ice-glide-hunch-over-drag-toe-pick-grit-teeth
approach we see so often.
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Revjoelle
In article <19990104161300...@ng-fr1.aol.com>, sbac...@aol.com
(SBachmai) writes:
>Lots of discussion lately about (f)lutzes and how many skaters don't really
>have a good lutz.
Scott Hamilton--good deep outside edge--gets very high--as high as taller
skaters and he's done rotating long before he's on his way down--nice smooth
landings.
Joelle
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>have a good lutz.
>
Besides the aformentioned Kerrigan and Wylie, I like Michael Weiss's. When
she's healthy, Tanja Szewczenko has a strong lutz--not only is it not flutzed,
it's *huge*.
Frank
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>
>Perhaps I could add to the question by giving an additional condition:
"...entered from connecting moves." Kinda limits the field, doesn't it? As for
the answer, I'd say I don't know of a skater with a truly reliable lutz from
connecting moves.
Well, Boitano had a fairly reliable 3 lutz for a coupla years there with a
spread eagle entrance. :-) (True, I am definutely not a judge of whether his
lutz is correct technically).
Nancy
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Revjoelle
In article <OWyqPyCO#GA.218@upnetnews05>, "Dave Amorde"
<dave....@startelcorp.com> writes:
>Perhaps I could add to the question by giving an additional condition:
>"...entered from connecting moves." Kinda limits the field, doesn't it? As
>for the answer, I'd say I don't know of a skater with a truly reliable lutz
>from connecting moves
Todd Eldredge often does a triple lutz from footwork. And I do believe you can
consider a spread eagle a connecting move and that would include "you know who"
Sandra Loosemore
> When she's healthy, Tanja Szewczenko has a strong lutz--not only is
> it not flutzed, it's *huge*.
But Tanja has such scary picking technique on her lutz! She doesn't
reach back far enough. At Worlds last year it was evident that she
was having major problems with her technique on this jump.
BTW, my $0.02 worth on "who has the best lutz" is Paul Wylie, without
a doubt. I think he will long be remembered as the textbook example
of proper technique for that jump. Among current competitors,
probably Evgeny Pliuta and Angela Nikodinov have the best lutzes in
the business.
-Sandra
HILL JANET SWAN
>
>Lots of discussion lately about (f)lutzes and how many skaters don't really
>have a good lutz.
>
>Who has (or had) a really great lutz? Or even a satisfactory one?
Paul Wylie, Nancy Kerrigan, Dorothy Hamill, Irina Slutskaya, Brian Orser,
Brian Boitano, Todd Eldredge
janet
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>
>WIsil wrote in message <19990104164149...@ng-ca1.aol.com>...
>>>Who has (or had) a really great lutz? Or even a satisfactory one?
>>
>>Paul Wylie and Nancy Kerrigan had just about as perfect as you can get
>lutzes. Major kudos to their coaches!!!!!
>
>Perhaps I could add to the question by giving an additional condition:
>"...entered from connecting moves." Kinda limits the field, doesn't it? As
>for the answer, I'd say I don't know of a skater with a truly reliable lutz
>from connecting moves.
Well, I think you could still include these two. Specifically Kerrigan,
whose lutz following alternating back lunges is one of my favorite nifty
sequences.
janet
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Ann Lewis
> Specifically Kerrigan,
> whose lutz following alternating back lunges is one of my favorite nifty
> sequences.
Yes. Her lutz certainly looks a lot better than her horsey teeth. :-)
AJL
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Angela? Really? It does seem to be a solid jump for her, but I was under
the impression that she sometimes flutzes a tiny bit (like Michelle Kwan used
to). Then again, I have only seen her skate on tv, and not since Skate
America, so I could be completely mistaken.
Ronald
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WIsil
>> whose lutz following alternating back lunges is one of my favorite nifty
>> sequences.
>
>Yes. Her lutz certainly looks a lot better than her horsey teeth. :-)
>
>AJL
Back to your old self, Ann? What ever happened to refraining from ridicule
and name calling, or was that just more of your bull?
Wendy
Little T
self did it? Sad too, as I was finally considering her a viable
member of this NG!
Toni
On Tue, 05 Jan 1999 11:03:41 -0500, Ann Lewis <ajl...@erols.com>
wrote:
Ann Lewis
> Back to your old self, Ann? What ever happened to refraining from ridicule
> and name calling, or was that just more of your bull?
Well, since you have called me a "bitch" within this newsgroup, you're
hardly one who can point fingers. I didn't engage in any name-calling
in this instance. I merely pointed out that Nancy Kerrigan's lutz is
superior to the hideous cap job she had done on her teeth. :-)
AJL
Isiafs5
I did not find the comment funny. Sad really.
BG ( soft knees wantabe)
actual isia 4.9 but I rounded up
Dave Amorde
HILL JANET SWAN wrote in message <76tcnf$j...@peabody.colorado.edu>...
>Dave Amorde <dave....@startelcorp.com> wrote:
>>
>
>>WIsil wrote in message <19990104164149...@ng-ca1.aol.com>...
>>>>Who has (or had) a really great lutz? Or even a satisfactory one?
>>>
>>>Paul Wylie and Nancy Kerrigan had just about as perfect as you can get
>>lutzes. Major kudos to their coaches!!!!!
>>
>>Perhaps I could add to the question by giving an additional condition:
>>"...entered from connecting moves." Kinda limits the field, doesn't it? As
>>for the answer, I'd say I don't know of a skater with a truly reliable
lutz
>>from connecting moves.
>
>whose lutz following alternating back lunges is one of my favorite nifty
>sequences.
>
I had forgotten about Nancy. Her lutz was always one of the highlights of
what (IMO, ofcourse!) were usually boring programs!
-Dave-
jeste...@my-dejanews.com
> > whose lutz following alternating back lunges is one of my favorite nifty
> > sequences.
>
>
> AJL
>
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! That was pretty good!! I think we all have to agree your
the winner on this one Annie. You beat everyone you are the Perfect....oh,
sorry, I thought that said the Perfect PUTZ. My fault. You woulda won in my
book though.
jester
Virginia Blalock
<dave....@startelcorp.com> wrote:
>>Well, I think you could still include these two. Specifically Kerrigan,
>>whose lutz following alternating back lunges is one of my favorite nifty
>>sequences.
>>
>
>I had forgotten about Nancy. Her lutz was always one of the highlights of
>what (IMO, ofcourse!) were usually boring programs!
I liked the delay before rotating she did when she really hit one
well. Lovely!
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Fred H. Williams
WIsil wrote in message <19990105114042...@ng96.aol.com>...
>>> Specifically Kerrigan,
>>> whose lutz following alternating back lunges is one of my favorite nifty
>>> sequences.
>>
>>
>>AJL
>
ridicule
>and name calling, or was that just more of your bull?
>
Nancy has no problems in the looks dept. Believe me, I'm a connoisseur
of feminine beauty.(;-)) Besides, I don't think there's a mandatory
deduction for "horsey teeth" even if she did have them.
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Debby M. Fortin
lor...@plover.com (Lorrie Kim) wrote:
> Alexei Urmanov's. It soars.
I agree!! He has a great curved edge into it, almost like an arc on a figure circle and the same
type of arc out of it. It's high and has the best air position. Now Alexsei, my dear, just get
it away from the boards in your new long program so you can show us that great exit arc!!!
Cheers,
Debby
Salch0w
>whose lutz following alternating back lunges is one of my favorite nifty
>sequences.
>
My favorite was her double Lutz from a back shoot-the-duck. And in her 92
short program she did the Lutz with hands behind her head. From so low to so
high was very very cool.
Tim
DesertRoaz
>
>My favorite was her double Lutz from a back shoot-the-duck. And in her 92
>short program she did the Lutz with hands behind her head. From so low to so
>high was very very cool.
>
Wait a sec...I thought in her '92 short she did her double jump with her hands
behind her head. Was it a double lutz? And if so, what was her triple?
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Dave Amorde
DesertRoaz wrote in message <19990108021542...@ng142.aol.com>...
>Salchow said:
>
>>
>>My favorite was her double Lutz from a back shoot-the-duck. And in her 92
>>short program she did the Lutz with hands behind her head. From so low to
so
>>high was very very cool.
>>
>
>Wait a sec...I thought in her '92 short she did her double jump with her
hands
>behind her head. Was it a double lutz? And if so, what was her triple?
>
By the "shoot the duck" reference, I'm concluding that you're both referring
to Kerrigan, but correct me if I'm wrong; something about a lack of
threading in the newsreader....;-)
-Dave-
DesertRoaz
>
>By the "shoot the duck" reference, I'm concluding that you're both referring
>to Kerrigan, but correct me if I'm wrong; something about a lack of
>threading in the newsreader....;-)
Yes, Kerrigan. :-)
Jm Comes
Ann Lewis <ajl...@erols.com> wrote in article <369237...@erols.com>...
> HILL JANET SWAN wrote:
>
> > Specifically Kerrigan,
> > whose lutz following alternating back lunges is one of my favorite
nifty
> > sequences.
>
> Yes. Her lutz certainly looks a lot better than her horsey teeth. :-)
>
> AJL
I'm sure you look like a supermodel Ann! You must have really low self
esteem about yourself to do this and waste our time! And nobody reply and
say I am "feeding the troll"!!!!!
Liz
Salch0w
>Me:
>>My favorite was her double Lutz from a back shoot-the-duck. And in her 92
>>short program she did the Lutz with hands behind her head. From so low to
>so
>>high was very very cool.
>
>Wait a sec...I thought in her '92 short she did her double jump with her
>hands
>behind her head. Was it a double lutz? And if so, what was her triple?
Yes, Nancy did the double Lutz with hands behind the head out of a shoot the
duck. Her triple Lutz was her combo with a double toe, and it was a huge
triple Lutz. (I thought she should've won that short program, but that's just
me thinking she was ripped off again.)
Tim
JoMe234
duck. Her triple Lutz was her combo with a double toe, and it was a huge
triple Lutz. (I thought she should've won that short program, but that's just
me thinking she was ripped off again.)
Tim
>>
No Tim, I agree with you on that.
Bill
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erik...@my-dejanews.com
But guys, you HAVE to remember that half the mark is on presentation, and
Kristi's program was MUCH stronger as a program. Kristi's spins are always
better (layback, camel, etc.). And Nancy did NOT do that 2lutz out of
footwork, so she should have had a deduction.
IMO, that SP was not even close.
*cringing at the thought of that CHEESEBALL music Nancy skated to*
Erik
Sandra Loosemore
> And Nancy did NOT do that 2lutz out of
> footwork, so she should have had a deduction.
Repeat after me: The rules were different then.
Back in 1992, it was considered permissible for skaters to use a
free-skating element such as a spread eagle, back spiral, etc as the
entry to their solo jump, instead of footwork. Nancy's back
shoot-the-duck was in the same category. I don't think it was until
the 1994-95 season that the rules were changed to clarify that a single
connecting element of this type was not adequate and that the skaters
had to do multiple elements or steps.
-Sandra
DesertRoaz
>
>Back in 1992, it was considered permissible for skaters to use a
>free-skating element such as a spread eagle, back spiral, etc as the
>entry to their solo jump, instead of footwork. Nancy's back
>shoot-the-duck was in the same category. I don't think it was until
>the 1994-95 season that the rules were changed to clarify that a single
>connecting element of this type was not adequate and that the skaters
>had to do multiple elements or steps.
>
>-Sandra
>
Was it permissable then for the double jump to be the same kind of jump as the
triple? (I assume so, since Nancy received a high placement.)
skat...@aol.com
>
> But guys, you HAVE to remember that half the mark is on presentation, and
> Kristi's program was MUCH stronger as a program. Kristi's spins are always
> footwork, so she should have had a deduction.
The double jump in the SP (like the triple jump today)had to be done out of
footwork OR some other skating move (spiral, ina bauer, shoot the duck, etc.),
so Nancy's program was legal and did NOT require a deduction.
Jean Lenzi
Trudi Marrapodi
<san...@shore.net> wrote:
> erik...@my-dejanews.com writes:
>
> > And Nancy did NOT do that 2lutz out of
> > footwork, so she should have had a deduction.
>
> Repeat after me: The rules were different then.
>
> Back in 1992, it was considered permissible for skaters to use a
> free-skating element such as a spread eagle, back spiral, etc as the
> entry to their solo jump, instead of footwork. Nancy's back
> shoot-the-duck was in the same category. I don't think it was until
> the 1994-95 season that the rules were changed to clarify that a single
> connecting element of this type was not adequate and that the skaters
> had to do multiple elements or steps.
It might have been as early as 1993-94. I seem to recall some question
that season as to whether Brian Boitano's spreadeagle entry to the Tano
lutz qualified as "multiple elements or steps."
Trudi
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