Michelle Kwan and Frank Carroll split
brmacneil
10/23/2001
AP Online
Copyright 2001 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) - Michelle Kwan, the reigning world and
national figure skating champion, split with longtime coach Frank
Carroll on Tuesday and plans to direct her own career.
Kwan and Carroll had been together since 1992. During that time, Kwan
won four world championships, five U.S. titles and the 1998 Olympic
silver medal.
"Frank and I have always had the same goal, to be the best skater I
can be," Kwan said. "Over the past few months, I have come to realize
that although we share that common goal, we have different views on
the direction needed to get there."
Kwan will go it alone this weekend at the Skate America competition in
Colorado Springs, Colo.
johns
> Kwan will go it alone this weekend at the Skate America competition in
> Colorado Springs, Colo.
Oh yeah! Boyfriend!
johns
Barb Iverson
Has there ever been and olympic chamption without a coach? - - - NO!
I have no idea why she is upset, but does it matter???????
Obiously to her it does - but to the rest of the world who pays her
salary - no!!!!
OK - so she can afford to do what she wants, but is she thinking
globaly???? Probably not and should she - depends on where she is
with her career.
Since the Pros are defunct, since we need to promote the "Michelle's"
of this world - I totally hate this sceario!
On 23 Oct 2001 10:27:11 -0700, brma...@hotmail.com (brmacneil)
wrote:
Internet Pariah
"Barb Iverson" <golf...@paulbunyan.net> wrote in message
news:3bd669a8...@news.paulbunyan.net...
> I'm sorry, but I have to say that Michelle has totally fucked up!!!!
>
> Has there ever been and olympic chamption without a coach? - - - NO!
>
> I have no idea why she is upset, but does it matter???????
>
> Obiously to her it does - but to the rest of the world who pays her
> salary - no!!!!
>
> OK - so she can afford to do what she wants, but is she thinking
> globaly???? Probably not and should she - depends on where she is
> with her career.
>
> Since the Pros are defunct, since we need to promote the "Michelle's"
> of this world - I totally hate this sceario!
I would rather see Michelle be left off the Olympic team completely and
happy than see her be an Olympic champion who is found hanging off a rafter
or ceiling fan or with a bottle of pills in her tummy because she was so
miserable. It's a shame that the gold medal matters more to some of
Michelle's (so-called) fans that her own well being does.
--
Let the dog out to e-mail me.
Joelle
Of course, Michelle Kwans feelings don't matter. All that matters is that she
fulfill YOUR dreams for her. How dare she even consider anything else.
Yeesh.
Joelle
If you want to make God laugh, tell him what you are doing tomorrow
Father Mike
Patti Cassalia
> I have no idea why she is upset, but does it matter???????
Uh, yeah, it matters. See, this is HER life.
> Obiously to her it does - but to the rest of the world who pays her
> salary - no!!!!
She owes the rest of us NOTHING. I know I've paid to see Michelle skate
and in exchange she's performed for me. There is no running tab going
forward.
> OK - so she can afford to do what she wants, but is she thinking
> globaly???? Probably not and should she - depends on where she is
> with her career.
> Since the Pros are defunct, since we need to promote the "Michelle's"
> of this world - I totally hate this sceario!
Thinking globally? Are you serious?
Patti
Trudi Marrapodi
> Barb Iverson <golf...@paulbunyan.net> wrote:
>
> > I have no idea why she is upset, but does it matter???????
>
> Uh, yeah, it matters. See, this is HER life.
Agreed. That it is. Whether it makes sense to all the rest of us or not.
> > Obiously to her it does - but to the rest of the world who pays her
> > salary - no!!!!
>
> She owes the rest of us NOTHING. I know I've paid to see Michelle skate
> and in exchange she's performed for me. There is no running tab going
> forward.
Agreed again. Besides, if this turned out to be a good decision for her,
"the rest of the world who pays her salary" would be very quick to pat her
on the back. That's not the point. She doesn't owe it to her fans to do
only what they think she should do. And I say that even though I don't get
why she did this. I may disagree with her, but I know better than to think
I am somehow the boss of her.
[snip]
> > Since the Pros are defunct, since we need to promote the "Michelle's"
> > of this world - I totally hate this sceario!
Huh? Barb, since when are the pros "defunct"? Are you just saying that
your season was messed up when the Landover competition folded, and so all
you have to look forward to is the Olympics, so if Michelle doesn't do
exactly what you want her to do, you feel personally screwed?
The pros aren't "defunct" to me. I saw a whole bunch of them just the
other weekend. Had fun, too.
--
Trudi
this space for rent
Susan Wilbanks
"Patti Cassalia" <pat...@tdl.com> wrote in message
news:9r7bno$h8s$1...@news.tdl.com...
> Barb Iverson <golf...@paulbunyan.net> wrote:
>
> > Obiously to her it does - but to the rest of the world who pays her
> > salary - no!!!!
>
> She owes the rest of us NOTHING. I know I've paid to see Michelle skate
> and in exchange she's performed for me. There is no running tab going
> forward.
Exactly. I suppose in some very, very loose sense I pay part of the
salaries of all my favorite athletes and entertainers, but there's no
long-term obligation involved. They can quit competing/performing any time
they want, and I can quit watching. None of us owes each other anything.
Michelle has long been my favorite skater, and I'd be seriously bummed if
she quit before the Olympics, but what she chooses to do with her life is
her business and hers alone. I hope she skates, but what I want much more
is for her to be happy and at peace with herself, whatever that takes.
--Susan
Tamera
revj...@aol.comgoaway (Joelle) writes:
>Of course, Michelle Kwans feelings don't matter. All that matters is that
>she
>fulfill YOUR dreams for her. How dare she even consider anything else.
>
>Yeesh.
>
>Joelle
Joelle- AMEN----I'd rather see a medal-less HAPPY Michelle come March 2002 then
an unhappy gold medalist. It's HER life and she owes us NOTHING.
Tamera
Tamera
The Dancing Cat
Hattie54
>Joelle- AMEN----I'd rather see a medal-less HAPPY Michelle come March 2002
>then
>an unhappy gold medalist. It's HER life and she owes us NOTHING.
>Tamera
Amen, that means " screw the fans ".
Harriet
Joelle
That would certainly give people something to talk about.
Roaz
>From: revj...@aol.comgoaway (Joelle)
>Date: 10/25/2001 3:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20011025182858...@mb-mv.aol.com>
>
>>Amen, that means " screw the fans ".
>
>That would certainly give people something to talk about.
>
I'm too old for Michelle.
DesertRoaz
Equal Rights for Figure Skaters
Barbara Hoffman
>>>Amen, that means "screw the fans".
>>That would certainly give people something to talk about.
>I'm too old for Michelle.
Stop complaining -- *I'm* too old for Frank.
Barbara
--
"The badness of a movie is directly proportional to the number
of helicopters in it." - Dave Barry
Hattie54
>Stop complaining -- *I'm* too old for Frank.
>
>Barbara
Frank is gay .
Harriet
TFBWWW
may be. but brian b is too.
TFBWWW
~August 1, 1999 - the day my prayers were answered!~
Locutus of Borg
>Roaz wrote:
>
>>>>Amen, that means "screw the fans".
>
>>>That would certainly give people something to talk about.
>
>>I'm too old for Michelle.
>
>Stop complaining -- *I'm* too old for Frank.
I just found this thread.
Thanks for the laughs. I almost did the ROFLOL thing again (in-joke for a
select two). Good thing it wasn't, because I'm too tired to get up off the
floor today.
Obskating: I read somewhere that Ben Ferrerrrererrrererrerr, er, F. (Canadian
guy)'s allergies have been bad and it's his medication that's making his heart
race faster than normal, making him so gassed at the end of his programs. I
feel for him. He looked soooo tired at times.
Peg
==
"I think there's the philosophy, If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But if it's
sort of molding, you don't want to stick it in the freezer, you've got to make
changes, either cut off the mold or do something different." - MKwan
Jason Someone
or March, whenever.
She probably split with her coach because of his pressure of wanting her
to win, or because she is just wanting all the accolades from it for
herself. Either way it is selfish. It is really ridiculous that people
so much covet a piece of medal, a title. They have made it to be much
more than it is to themselves. It's ignorant, and people need to get a
grip.
Janice
>to win, or because she is just wanting all the accolades from it for
>herself. Either way it is selfish.
Well, Jason Somebody, there could be any number of reasons for Michelle's split
with Frank. But Michelle said she wanted to put it all out on the line, on her
own.
Perhaps she feels that should she fail, she will take all the blame and Frank
will be blameless and knows that should she win the whole shebang, Frank will
be acknowledged as the one who got her there. Now, how selfish is that?
Janice
Will work for skating tickets.
"Just can't trust a man with a stolen thumb." Ms. Parker (The Pretender)
Margaret Burwell
Locutus of Borg (pegl...@aol.compurgator) writes:
> Obskating: I read somewhere that Ben Ferrerrrererrrererrerr, er, F. (Canadian
> guy)'s allergies have been bad and it's his medication that's making his heart
> race faster than normal, making him so gassed at the end of his programs. I
> feel for him. He looked soooo tired at times.
>
> Peg
Having had a bronchodialator prescribed one time, I sympathize. I think I
took two of them and the racing heart was worse than the cough.
OBSkating, lot's of skaters have asthma.
Marg
Roaz
>Date: 11/4/2001 9:09 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <2757-3BE...@storefull-623.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
Then why is it selfish to split from her coach if he's pressuring her to win?
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DesertRoaz
Frame of reference is everything.
Althealeo
so much covet a piece of medal, a title. They have made it to be much more than
it is to themselves. It's ignorant, and people need to get a grip.>>
Well, I'm not a fan of winning at all costs, but I doubt that Kwan is,
either...the reality is that medals are there to be coveted. Otherwise, why
even bother having medals? The skaters could just all go home pleased with the
fact that they had done their best (or displeased if they had not), and not
even bother worrying about how they had done relative to the field.
-- Kate, chuckling about the demands of human nature this would make
janet swan hill
> Either way it is selfish ...It is really ridiculous that people
>so much covet a piece of medal, a title. They have made it to be much
>more than it is to themselves. It's ignorant, and people need to get a
>grip.
Note: Jason has been here before. He appears to believe anyone who wants to
win something is "selfish". He seems to have a special animus toward Kwan --
possibly because she has won so often. At least this particular post didn't
get into religion ...... as many of his past posts have.
janet