article: "No woman on skates spins better, leaps farther or jumps higher than Sasha Cohen"
Shallah
Making Adjustment To New Coast, Coach
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A surprise fall on a simple jump like this or a sudden misstep in
footwork might have been the reason Cohen left last year's nationals
without a title and the Olympics and World Championships without a
medal. Maybe it was a loss in concentration. Some called it
inconsistency. But one thing is certain: No woman on skates spins
better, leaps farther or jumps higher than Sasha Cohen.
Cohen is determined those blips on the ice won't happen this year. And
right now, she's on a roll.
"You want it to be perfect every time, and sometimes it can't be,"
Cohen said. "I'm hard on myself. I want everything to be perfect all
the time. I want to be the No.1 skater. I want to be best in the
world."
Shallah
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Chana410
>better, leaps farther or jumps higher than Sasha Cohen.
... or skates more elegantly! :-)
~~~~Chana~~~~
Fiona McQuarrie
: A surprise fall on a simple jump like this or a sudden misstep in
: footwork might have been the reason Cohen left last year's nationals
: without a title and the Olympics and World Championships without a
: medal. Maybe it was a loss in concentration. Some called it
: inconsistency. But one thing is certain: No woman on skates spins
: better, leaps farther or jumps higher than Sasha Cohen.
Jeezus! How much lunch did Team Cohen have to buy this author in exchange
for him or her writing such blatant crap?
Fiona
lefty
Now, now. Consider the source.
Althealeo
might have been the reason Cohen left last year's nationals
without a title and the Olympics and World Championships without a medal. Maybe
it was a loss in concentration. Some called it
inconsistency. But one thing is certain: No woman on skates spins better, leaps
farther or jumps higher than Sasha Cohen.>
Well, Sarah Hughes certainly spins better, IMO. Leaps farther -- Victoria
Volchkova, hands down. Ditto for jumping higher.
-- Kate
Capcomop
The author points out that Cohen couldn't get it together long enough to win
a thing. But is sure that she does all the skills of skating better than
anyone!
According to the author she does all the skills the best she just can't do
them well enough to win!
Sigh.
Once again a lovely article that continues to push the
know-nothing-about-the-sport mentality on the public.
As for a little sarcasm....as far as I can see only Jenny Kirk and Tara
Lipinski have higher and farther jumps!:-)
Ellyn Kestnbaum
I don't know that I would agree with that. Both have nice positions
although Cohen's more of Cohen's are flashier, neither is known for
perfect centering, Cohen has better speed and more revolutions. On a
particular occasion Cohen may travel more or really lose balance as at
that Campbell's competition this fall, but other times she does spin
better than Hughes IMO.
Leaps farther -- Victoria
> Volchkova, hands down. Ditto for jumping higher.
Yes, and she isn't the only one.
-Ellyn
Robert Dister
"Shallah" <shallahS...@earthlink.net.com> wrote:
> Sasha's Big Move
> Making Adjustment To New Coast, Coach
> http://www.ctnow.com/sports/hc-cohen0114.artjan14,0,6601788.story?coll
> =hc%2Dheadlines%2Dsports
>
> A surprise fall on a simple jump like this or a sudden misstep in
> footwork might have been the reason Cohen left last year's nationals
> without a title and the Olympics and World Championships without a
> medal. Maybe it was a loss in concentration. Some called it
> inconsistency. But one thing is certain: No woman on skates spins
> better, leaps farther or jumps higher than Sasha Cohen.
>
Hmmm, I wonder who is keeping her from also being the fastest?!
Bob
Gorilma98
Maybe the author meant who can get into the most unusual positions in spins??
Many people are taken by Sasha's super-flex positions...
Her spins often travel though and I still think that one spin where she pulls
her leg up is painful and ugly looking...
I agree that Sarah Hughes spins better. I think she has a nice variety of
positions, good speed and good centering for the most part. She also can do a
"pull your leg up" spin (not sure what it is called) without looking pained or
like she's straining every muscle in her body..in fact she usually does it with
a smile.
But I will say that Sasha has unusual positions....but I sometimes think that
she comes up with positions just so she can say, "look how I can bend my body."
rather than because they necessarily are difficult or fit in with her
program.....But that's JMO...I'm not into all the "ta-da" moves.
As far as jumps...absolutely Volchkova has bigger jumps...and leaps farther. So
do many other skaters. Sasha has lovely position in the air...but big jumps????
Not unless you compare her jumps as someone said to Tara and Jenny Kirk.
Chris
Amy or Brian
"Althealeo" <alth...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20030115104006...@mb-bd.news.cs.com...
are getting SO sick of the double-Bielmann spin (7 or 8 years in a row is a
little tough to take!), I think Slute still spins better than Cohen. At
least when she does a difficult position she doesn't look pained, and her
speed in the spins is incredible.
-Amy
Amy or Brian
"Gorilma98" <gori...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030115164416...@mb-fo.aol.com...
my leg" is usually called a Y-spin, because everyone who does it *except*
Sasha ends up being shaped like a Y for the duration of the spin. Sasha's
the only one who pulls it so far in. I might be in the minority here,
because *when the spin is done well*, and I must stress only under those
circumstances, I actually like Sasha's variation on the spin.
Unfortunately, too many times in recent memory that spin has been, to quote
Uncle Dick, "just awful."
-Amy
bagelpuss
> > Well, Sarah Hughes certainly spins better, IMO.
>
> I don't know that I would agree with that. Both have nice positions
> although Cohen's more of Cohen's are flashier, neither is known for
> perfect centering, Cohen has better speed and more revolutions. On a
> particular occasion Cohen may travel more or really lose balance as at
> that Campbell's competition this fall, but other times she does spin
> better than Hughes IMO.
In my mind no one on planet Earth spins better than Lucinda Ruh
> Leaps farther -- Victoria
> > Volchkova, hands down. Ditto for jumping higher.
>
> Yes, and she isn't the only one.
Yup, just look at Nikodinov, Sluteskaya, and Onda, to name a few...To
be fair though, Sasha does have some wonderful spin positions and
lovely in-air jump positions...it would be nice if she could
consistently land on one foot...but please remember that this is a
local CT paper and the writer probably just wants people to cheer to
the (recently relocated) hometown girl...or some such nonsense.
>
> -Ellyn
MyRomanHoliday
Volchkova, Slutskaya, Onda, etc.? Sasha's skating has many lovely qualities.
But her jumps are tiny compared to Volchkova's. When you see the two of them
live, the difference is astounding. Cohen's jumps look like those of a 12 y.o.
junior skater when seen next to Volchkova's powerful, high and secure jumps.
Bbarlou
: better, leaps farther or jumps higher than Sasha Cohen.
Jeezus! How much lunch did Team Cohen have to buy this author in exchange
for him or her writing such blatant crap?
Fiona
Now, Fiona, you know good and well that if somebody said that about Kwan you
would agree wholeheartedly. However, it's true about Cohen, not Kwan; and you
had better get used to people loving Cohen;s skating.
Althealeo
out that Cohen couldn't get it together long enough to win a thing. But is sure
that she does all the skills of skating better than
anyone!>
I think the point was that Cohen is inconsistent, but has the best basic skills
of anyone when she does land the jumps. Not that I agree with that.
-- Kate
Icedncer34
for him or her writing such blatant crap?>>
:shrug: This is my local paper, and this writer does most of the local skating
stories. Usually he's very good, but I agree, this went a little over the top.
3 axel
in a single bound, Sasha Cohen who came to Earth with powers far beyond
those of mortal women......
3axel
Chana410
>in a single bound, Sasha Cohen who came to Earth with powers far beyond
>those of mortal women......
Sounds like Sasha's phenomenal success really bothers you!
~~~~Chana~~~~
Fiona McQuarrie
: But one thing is certain: No woman on skates spins
: : better, leaps farther or jumps higher than Sasha Cohen.
: Jeezus! How much lunch did Team Cohen have to buy this author in exchange
: for him or her writing such blatant crap?
: Fiona
: Now, Fiona, you know good and well that if somebody said that about Kwan you
: would agree wholeheartedly.
No, I would not. It is no more true about Kwan than it is about Cohen.
Adjust your medication.
Fiona
pinkbuddha
Allan Suaza
FnSkating
I hardly call blowing your opportunities at Olympics and Worlds phenomenal
success! She's working on it but not really there yet.
Trudi Marrapodi
myroman...@aol.com (MyRomanHoliday) wrote:
> In what alternative Universe does Sasha Cohen leap farther and jump
higher than
> Volchkova, Slutskaya, Onda, etc.?
The alternative universe known as Connecticut.
> Sasha's skating has many lovely qualities.
> But her jumps are tiny compared to Volchkova's. When you see the two of them
> live, the difference is astounding. Cohen's jumps look like those of a 12 y.o.
> junior skater when seen next to Volchkova's powerful, high and secure jumps.
I think we are all agreed that this writer was simply banging the drum for
the homegirl. Trouble is, it's all too common in skating, and it's a kind
of sportswriting that never seems to be done in other sports. How many
times have you opened the sports page and seen your local high school
football team praised as "the best" even when they're on a losing streak?
Never. How many times do you read about an NBA game and the results say
"Team A lost because they committed 20 turnovers and shot only 5% from the
floor--but despite all that, nobody shoots better or handles the ball
better than Team A"? You don't.
In other sports, this kind of writing would be called empty boosterism,
and the readers would see it and say "Oh, bull, they don't know what
they're talking about." In figure skating, however, people read this
editorializing and believe it is true. Or at least the sportswriters seem
to think they can put one over on the reader.
--
Trudi
finally back after she lost all newsgroup service for a bloody week
Bbarlou
"finally back after she lost all newsgroup service for a bloody week"
Hah! They punished her for being such a malicious know-it-all.
Trudi Marrapodi
figuresk...@webtv.net (3 axel) wrote:
Sasha Cohen, able to bend steel blades with her bare hands...
--
Chana410
Psst ... that's Michelle who blew her opportunities ... NOT Sasha! :-)
~~~~Chana~~~~
Althealeo
success! She's working on it but not really there yet.>>
Actually, I *would* call top 5 in Worlds and Olympics during your first year at
those comps to be pretty successful; maybe not 'phenomenal' but definitely not
blowing it, at least if you don't buy Cohen's unrealistic apparent belief that
she was likely to win a medal in that field.
-- Kate
Icedncer34
I tried to take offense at that... but it's just too accurate :grin:
FnSkating
Michelle medaled, Sasha did not. Where were you?
Jeanne Douglas
gori...@aol.com (Gorilma98) wrote:
> >>A surprise fall on a simple jump like this or a sudden misstep in footwork
> >might have been the reason Cohen left last year's nationals
> >without a title and the Olympics and World Championships without a medal.
> >Maybe
> >it was a loss in concentration. Some called it
> >inconsistency. But one thing is certain: No woman on skates spins better,
> >leaps
> >farther or jumps higher than Sasha Cohen.>
>
> >Well, Sarah Hughes certainly spins better, IMO. Leaps farther -- Victoria
> >Volchkova, hands down. Ditto for jumping higher.
> >
> >-- Kate
> >
> Maybe the author meant who can get into the most unusual positions in spins??
> Many people are taken by Sasha's super-flex positions...
>
> Her spins often travel though and I still think that one spin where she pulls
> her leg up is painful and ugly looking...
I agree--she looks like Quasimodo. If she can't straighten her back, she
shouldn't be doing that move.
--
JD
"I see great things in baseball. It's our game, the American game.
It will repair our losses and be a blessing to us."-- Walt Whitman
Jeanne Douglas
bage...@hotmail.com (bagelpuss) wrote:
> EKest...@yahoo.com (Ellyn Kestnbaum) wrote in message
> news:<d00f3db8.03011...@posting.google.com>...
> > > Well, Sarah Hughes certainly spins better, IMO.
> >
> > I don't know that I would agree with that. Both have nice positions
> > although Cohen's more of Cohen's are flashier, neither is known for
> > perfect centering, Cohen has better speed and more revolutions. On a
> > particular occasion Cohen may travel more or really lose balance as at
> > that Campbell's competition this fall, but other times she does spin
> > better than Hughes IMO.
>
> In my mind no one on planet Earth spins better than Lucinda Ruh
That goes without saying ;-) . She's other-worldly. And I'd rather watch
just one of her spins than any 10 triple-triple combinations.
tt
> In article <20030115164416...@mb-fo.aol.com>,
> gori...@aol.com (Gorilma98) wrote:
>
If she can't straighten her back, she
> shouldn't be doing that move.
Well, actually, she *can* straighten her back on that spin, although she
didn't quite manage it this year at Nat's. Check your tapes of last year. Mind
you, I'm not a big fan of any of those types of spins, either. As I once heard a
ballet coach say to her pupil:
"Just because your leg *can* go there, Dahling, doesn't mean that it
*should* go there, everytime...!"