Story about Nancy & Tonya a Hoax
Revjoelle
There was an AP story claiming that Nancy & Tonya had agreed to skate in a show
together--lots of AOLers got the story today.
Now David Krieff, president of Destiny Productions, which was considering
producing the show for Fox Sports, said Saturday is claiming that it's not
going to happen.
Sounds like some people were tossing ideas around and some reporter got carried
away.
I thought Nancy had too much class for such a stunt.
Joelle
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Trudi Marrapodi
In article <19971220214...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
revj...@aol.com (Revjoelle) wrote:
> There was an AP story claiming that Nancy & Tonya had agreed to skate in
a show
> together--lots of AOLers got the story today.
>
> Now David Krieff, president of Destiny Productions, which was considering
> producing the show for Fox Sports, said Saturday is claiming that it's not
> going to happen.
>
> Sounds like some people were tossing ideas around and some reporter got
carried
> away.
>
> I thought Nancy had too much class for such a stunt.
>
> Joelle
Know what? I read the story on Nando, and I think this was more a
"telephone game" amongst fans than anything else. People misreported it to
other people.
When I first heard about this secondhand, I was told it was a COMPETITION
and that the contestants were not yet set but that Tonya and Nancy might
be included.
I then read the Nando story. It said that Fox wanted to produce a SPECIAL
with an exhibition including the lady skaters from Lillehammer. Tonya was
NEVER going to be invited to skate, however. The producers seemed well
aware that when you try to sign Tonya to skate, other skaters and their
agents begin refusing to cooperate. None wants to share the ice with her.
An IMG person was quoted as saying they hoped to include an interview with
Tonya in the show. I thought that might be possible, but they'd better
interview her well away from Vail and the show, and not tell the other
skaters, because that alone might make them refuse to have anything to do
with it.
If it's not going to happen at all, I wouldn't be surprised. But in any
case, the article itself never said Tonya and Nancy had agreed to do
anything together. It did speculate on how IF these plans came off, it
would be the first time they had since the Whack. Sort of. That's all. You
know, the media doing their usual reach for an angle.
Trudi
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LUELLENB
On Sun Dec 21 1997, www...@forgetaboutit.net(Trudi Marrapodi) wrote:
>Know what? I read the story on Nando, and I think this was more >a "telephone
game" amongst fans than anything else. People >misreported it to other people.
>
The story was on the front page of yesterday's Denver Post (12/20/97). Sounds
a little suspicious to me too. . .
But the show/exhibition itself (if it happens) sounds cool. . . especially
since I'm within driving distance (2 hours) of Vail. I'm going to look into
it, and if I hear anything re: Tonya I'll report here ASAP!
LuEllen Blum
(luel...@aol.com)
ANONNYC
>From: luel...@aol.com (LUELLENB)
>Date: Sun, Dec 21, 1997 14:55 EST
>LuEllen Blum
>(luel...@aol.com)
There were three AP wires posted to AOL. The first stated that Nancy and Tonya
would appear at a competition in Vail, a reunion of the Lillehammer skaters.
The second stated that they would appear at an exhibition there, same premise.
The third stated that 'Nancy and Tonya keep their distance'. While an
exhibition is being discussed for Vail, Tonya has not been invited (mention of
boycott by other skaters). Comment (paraphrased) from a rep of the company
organizing the event: 'many ideas get tossed around in these discussions, and
most of them come to nothing'.
WJW
Joe Mendiola
Sounds like IMG hasn't made enough money off one Lillehammer gold medalist
(Gordeeva). They now want to bring Kerrigan into the fold. IMHO, I believe a 10th
year reunion of Calgary would do much better (and be much easier to put together)
than a 4th year anniversary of Lillehammer would. BTW, would it be too much to ask
IMG for a charity (money to go to the IOC's effort to rebuild Zetra) show featuring
skaters from Sarajevo? Instead, IMG has to float the possibility for whoring
Lillehammer one more time. Junk, total junk.
LCarter 01
.>There was an AP story claiming that Nancy & Tonya had agreed to skate in a
>show together-
I am feeling sarcastic today. If Nancy and Tonya agreed to do any kind of show
together, I doubt it would be a figure skating show. Maybe it would be
something more like the main event at a "professional" wrestling show. Hmmm, I
know who would win that one. My money is on Tonya, even though Nancy probably
has more motivation to put up a good fight.
>I thought Nancy had too much class for such a stunt.
>
Excuse me, but I am astounded that anyone would ever accuse Nancy Kerrigan of
having "class". I don't mean to be rude, and I don't know her personally, but
I have always gotten the exact opposite impression of her.
Lacy
Revjoelle
I said:
>>I thought Nancy had too much class for such a stunt.
Lacy said:
>Excuse me, but I am astounded that anyone would ever accuse Nancy Kerrigan of
having "class". I don't mean to be rude, and I don't know her personally, but
I have always gotten the exact opposite impression of her.
Well considering that Nancy turned down quite a bit of money to skate with
Tonya...I would say my original statement about Nancy having too much class to
do that is true, regardless of your impressions.
I understand Nancy has made some unfortunate statements. In the past. They've
been hashed and rehashed here. I think it is unfortunate that someone would
use a phoney story to start taking pot shots at her again. She's done nothing
recently to deserve it.
Trudi Marrapodi
In article <19971222013...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
ano...@aol.com (ANONNYC) wrote:
The fact that there were three versions of this story, each one pulling
further away from the idea of a Tonya-Nancy reunion, probably explains
what I read. I did not read the Nando story until the evening of the 20th.
So perhaps there were earlier versions that did indeed imply:
1. Tonya and Nancy were going to compete in Vail
2. Tonya and Nancy were going to skate an exhibition in Vail
But by the time I read the story, it had been revised to:
3. People are trying to put together an exhibition of Lillehammer ladies
in Vail, but Tonya is not being invited; however, the producers would like
to interview her and run the interview on the broadcast.
Trudi Marrapodi
In article <349DFB98...@akron.infi.net>, Joe Mendiola
<buck...@akron.infi.net> wrote:
> Sounds like IMG hasn't made enough money off one Lillehammer gold
medalist
> (Gordeeva). They now want to bring Kerrigan into the fold. IMHO, I
believe a 10th
> year reunion of Calgary would do much better (and be much easier to put
together)
> than a 4th year anniversary of Lillehammer would.
Great idea. Brian Orser tried it back in 1993. He called it "Rekindle the
Flame" and it was a benefit for the local hospitals. Raised a half million
dollars. The only problem was, he wasn't able to get as many Calgary
skaters as he would have liked. For example, at the time G&G were training
for the Olympics, and Russia wouldn't let them out to do exhibitions. A
real shame.
However, of the Calgary bunch, he did have himself, Liz Manley, Katarina
Witt, Tracy Wilson (introducing the Sarajevo tribute ensemble), and the
Duchesnays.
> BTW, would it be too much to ask
> IMG for a charity (money to go to the IOC's effort to rebuild Zetra)
show featuring
> skaters from Sarajevo?
Actually, I read in International Figure Skating that someone would like
to stage a show IN Zetra once it is finished, featuring the Sarajevo
skaters, the proceeds to be used for more war relief. I believe it is
being rebuilt now.
> Instead, IMG has to float the possibility for whoring
> Lillehammer one more time. Junk, total junk.
Well, that's just the easiest, sleaziest thing to do. And, of course, it
would just give Christine Brennan another excuse to say "Poor Tonya, she
is being left out of all the bounty she herself created. How unfair. If
she is going to go to all that trouble to make skaters so popular by
hanging around with a guy who would have one of her opponents whacked, she
deserves to share in the wealth." :-P
Sk8Maven
> >I thought Nancy had too much class for such a stunt.
> >
> Kerrigan of having "class". I don't mean to be rude, and I don't know
> her personally, but I have always gotten the exact opposite impression
> of her.
She has plenty of class -- it's TACT she doesn't have. And she has far
too much *common sense* to agree to appear anywhere within 1000 miles of
the woman responsible for nearly crippling her for life.
Maven
gonzalo vergara
I agree. Nancy may shoot from the hip at times, but that doesn't imply
lack of class... Irish temper! Agree on the common sense angle... TH is
a NUT!!!... Nancy won't get anywhere near her.
gonzalo
Tzigaane
In article <wwwords-2112...@srv-5-10.roc.ny.frontiernet.net>,
www...@forgetaboutit.net wrote:
>Know what? I read the story on Nando, and I think this was more a
>"telephone game" amongst fans than anything else. People misreported >it to
other people.
No, it wasn't just the fans. My newsreader sent me 3 different AP articles on
this and the first one said "Nancy and Tonya will compete against each other
for the first time since the Olympics" then went on to say that the event was
an "ice show". Struck me simply as a reporter who didn't know the difference
between a competition and a show.
Then I went on to the 2nd article which back pedaled on this and said Tonya
wouldn't actually skate, but would only be interviewed.
The 3rd article back tracked even further and said Tonya wouldn't even be
involved since none of the other "girls" involved wanted her to be there -
there had been an informal boycott.
>When I first heard about this secondhand, I was told it was a >COMPETITION and
that the contestants were not yet set but that Tonya >and Nancy might be
included.
First version
>I then read the Nando story. It said that Fox wanted to produce a
>SPECIAL with an exhibition including the lady skaters from >Lillehammer. Tonya
was NEVER going to be invited to skate, however. >The producers seemed well
aware that when you try to sign Tonya to >skate, other skaters and their agents
begin refusing to cooperate. None >wants to share the ice with her.
Third version
>An IMG person was quoted as saying they hoped to include an interview >with
Tonya in the show.
Second version
>I thought that might be possible, but they'd better
>interview her well away from Vail and the show, and not tell the other
>skaters, because that alone might make them refuse to have anything to
>do with it.
Third version
>If it's not going to happen at all, I wouldn't be surprised. But in any
>case, the article itself never said Tonya and Nancy had agreed to do
>anything together. It did speculate on how IF these plans came off, it
>would be the first time they had since the Whack. Sort of. That's all.
Third version
Quite a bit of premature reporting I guess.
Tzigaane
Christopher Jefferson
Joe Mendiola wrote:
>
> Sk8Maven wrote:
>
> > > >I thought Nancy had too much class for such a stunt.
> > > >
> > > Excuse me, but I am astounded that anyone would ever accuse Nancy
> > > Kerrigan of having "class". I don't mean to be rude, and I don't know
> > > her personally, but I have always gotten the exact opposite impression
> > > of her.
> >
> > She has plenty of class -- it's TACT she doesn't have. And she has far
> > too much *common sense* to agree to appear anywhere within 1000 miles of
> > the woman responsible for nearly crippling her for life.
>
> after Lillehammer (94, 95, etc.)?
It certainly does. Actually, the way that this came off was simple.
Kerrigan, and the other Lillehammer women are doing this Fox show called
the "Ladies of Lillehammer". The closest Harding gets to the ice is an
on camera interview.
Of course, as I told Trudi, I'm all for resolving this by means of a
Texas Cage Death Match, but that would be bad for the costumes, now
wouldn't it.
Be Seeing You,
Chris
A friend of Belldandy, Tonya, Nixon, and Whittaker Chambers.
Joe Mendiola
Christopher Jefferson wrote:
The comment about the costumes coming off made me realize an interesting
little fact about the men who ran Nancy and Tonya's respective careers at that
time, Jeff Gillooly and Jerry Solomon. Both "managers" regularly see or saw
their main respective clients naked. How many other managers do you think can
say that about their athlete clients? :-}
JM
> The comment about the costumes coming off made me realize an interesting
>little fact about the men who ran Nancy and Tonya's respective careers at that
>time, Jeff Gillooly and Jerry Solomon. Both "managers" regularly see or saw
>their main respective clients naked. How many other managers do you think can
>say that about their athlete clients? :-}
>
Interesting question. Here's another. How many would WANT to in
these two cases?
Gail Turley
Somebody might be lacking class here, but it ain't Nancy Kerrigan. How
crude of both of you.
BTW, whoever said it originally, if you did know Nancy, and took the time
to talk to her when she wasn't trying to do somethign that you were
preventing her from doing, you might find out that she has a lot of
class and is a very nice girl. A number of people at World Pros found
out exactly that in the lobby of the hotel when she stopped and talked to
and posed with a large number of people, myself included. She was down
there for at least 25 minutes, and perhaps longer. She was very nice,
and she certainly deserves better than this kind of crudeness. Grow up,
people.
gail
Joe Mendiola
Gail Turley wrote:
Don't believe you're the only person here who has met Nancy Kerrigan
backstage at an event, Gail. Trust my personal experience, you're not. I
happen to be Roman Catholic as is Kerrigan. Our religion believes that
marrying a person divorced who did not have that marriage annulled (as
Solomon most likely would have been) is immoral and grounds for banishment
from the Church. That's probably why her marriage took place in a
non-denominational cathedral. Next time you whip the whammo my way, make
sure you don't have to hit 2000+ years of Church doctrine in the process.
Nancy Kerrigan truly has no clue on what levels she has offended people.
Louis Epstein
Joe Mendiola (buck...@akron.infi.net) wrote:
:
:
: Don't believe you're the only person here who has met Nancy Kerrigan
: backstage at an event, Gail. Trust my personal experience, you're not. I
: happen to be Roman Catholic as is Kerrigan. Our religion believes that
: marrying a person divorced who did not have that marriage annulled (as
: Solomon most likely would have been) is immoral and grounds for banishment
: from the Church. That's probably why her marriage took place in a
: non-denominational cathedral.
"non-denominational cathedral"?Housing whose cathedra?
Trish O'Brien
first Joe Mendiola wrote:
>
> : Don't believe you're the only person here who has met Nancy Kerrigan
> : backstage at an event, Gail. Trust my personal experience, you're not. I
> : happen to be Roman Catholic as is Kerrigan. Our religion believes that
> : marrying a person divorced who did not have that marriage annulled (as
> : Solomon most likely would have been) is immoral and grounds for banishment
> : from the Church. That's probably why her marriage took place in a
> : non-denominational cathedral.
then Louis Epstein wrote:
> "non-denominational cathedral"?Housing whose cathedra?
1. This is a good argument for why a skater's religion has no more place
here than a discussion of their sexual orientation.
2. It is possible to be raised Catholic and then choose to practise
something else. Like so many things, it is a personal choice, and
nobody else's business.
3. She was not married from a cathedral. It is a regular old chuch-I
believe Episcopal or Congregational (about 3 blocks from my former
office.)
Trish O'Brien
Sk8Maven
To put it simply, a Catholic girl *can't* marry a Jewish guy in a
Catholic church. It doesn't matter whether he has been divorced or not
-- the mere fact that he is not Catholic rules it right out.
Conversely, a Jewish guy can't marry a Catholic girl in a synagogue. (A
generation ago Jerry Solomon's parents would have "sat shiva" -- gone
into mourning -- for him for marrying a Gentile.) Again, previous
marital status is irrelevant.
This type of problem has come up three times in my own family, with
three different solutions.
1. My sister (not born Jewish) fell in love with a rabbi's son. She
converted, and had her wedding in a synagogue with three rabbis
(including the groom's father) officiating.
2. One Catholic cousin fell in love with an Eastern Orthodox guy. They
were married in his church by his rites.
3. Another Catholic cousin fell in love with an unbaptized "heathen"
fella who didn't want to play the religion game at all. They were
married from our front lawn by a local Justice of the Peace.
All three couples are still quite solidly married, I'm happy to say.
Maven
LKrokat
Joe Mendiola (buck...@akron.infi.net) wrote:
> I happen to be Roman Catholic as is Kerrigan. Our religion >believes
that marrying a person divorced who did not have that >marriage annulled (as
Solomon most likely would have been) is >immoral and grounds for banishment
from the Church. That's >probably why her marriage took place in a
non-denominational >cathedral.
It is my understanding that IF Jerry Solomon was previosly not married before
in an religious ceremony in a religion recognized by the Catholic Church (i.e.
if he was married by a Justice of the Peace), the Catholic Church would have
nothing to say against him remarrying. Unless you have actual information as
to the nature of his previous wedding vows maybe playing "fill in the blank"
isn't a fair thing to play. Perhaps Mr. Solomon's did not want to be married
in the Catholic Church.
Some other religious ideas that come to mind on this topic are:
Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness Against Thy Neighbor and
Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast The First Stone
Trudi Marrapodi
In article <19971231235...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
lkr...@aol.com (LKrokat) wrote:
This is probably irrelevant, but isn't Solomon Jewish? :-)
Trudi Marrapodi
> To put it simply, a Catholic girl *can't* marry a Jewish guy in a
> Catholic church. It doesn't matter whether he has been divorced or not
> -- the mere fact that he is not Catholic rules it right out.
Actually, it's not quite that simple. My sister was married to her
Catholic husband in a Catholic church, although my family is Lutheran. And
there was no restriction that the ceremony could only take place in this
or that part of the church, as I understand there used to be when
marriages between Catholics and non-Catholics were first permitted in
Catholic churches. She did not even have to sign a paper promising to
raise her children Catholic, although this agreement was more or less
implied. All she had to do was take pre-Cana instruction with his priest.
Oh, and none of us heathen Lutherans were permitted to parkate in
Communion like the Catholics were. This was denied us. Oh well.
Back to skating again, eh?
rg
Okay. I'm not sure if anyone else has commented on this, but I need to
step in. I work for a Roman Catholic Diocese and I work specifically for
the Tribunal. These are the general rules for marriages:
If two non-Catholics marry, either in a church or before a Justice of the
Peace, it is considered a valid marriage in which an annulment is needed.
If a Catholic and a non-Catholic, or two Catholics marry before a Justice
of the Peace or another non-Catholic minister, it is not considered a valid
marriage (unless proper permission was granted) and a simple decree needs
to be issued declaring the marriage null.
If two Catholics marry in a Catholic Church, it is considered valid.
Hope this clarifies things up some.
--Gidget
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