Re: Soviet Karelia, the 16th Soviet Republic
Chilly8
"John Lincoln" <linc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Chilly8 wrote:
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>> X-No-Archive: Yes
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>> There was once a 16th Soviet Republic, the Karleia Soviet
>> Socailist Republic, until Russian Soviet Republic in 1956.
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>> Had that Republic stayed around and became indpendent
>> after the breakup of the Soviet Union, it would have had
>> several figure skating medals.
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>> Grischuck and Platov would have been two time Olympic
>> dance medallists for Karelia (Platov was from Petrozavodsk).
>> Oksana Grishuck was born in Mexico but her parents were originally from
>> St Petersburg, so G&P would have
>> been skating for Karelia.
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>> Karelia would have had the ladies gold medal in 1994, as
>> Oksana Baiul is from Archangelsk, which would have been
>> in Karelia.
>> The Karelian SSR also included Leningrad (St
>> Petersburg), and the country would have had one Olympic
>> mens gold medallist, Alexei Yagudin, who was born in
>> St Petersburg.
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>> Karelia would have have a world ice dace title
>> in 2005 with Navka and Kostomorov and
>> the 2006 Olympic title.
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>> Karelia would would likely have become the dominant
>> country in European skating, had it remained a Soviet
>> republic,and became independent after the fall of the
>> Soviet Union. Most of the top Russian coaches
>> come from that part of Russia. I figure that Tatiana
>> Tarasova would likely be the head of the Karelian
>> Skating Federation.
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>> Gordeeva and Grinkov would have won the 1994
>> Olympic pairs gold for Karelia as they were born
>> in what would have been Karelia. They were born
>> in St Petersburg. Both were born in St Petersburg.
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>> And many of the Mexican-born Russian skaters
>> I have mentioned would have also been competing
>> for Karelia, including Elena Sokolova, Alejandro
>> Urmanov, and Maria Butyrskaya.
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>> How would some controversial judging have been?
>> Would Yuri Balkov (who would also have been Karelian) have judged any
>> differnetly? Who knows
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> Hey there Chuckster, Obama and the Obamunists need to appoint a skating
> czar to go with all their other brain damaged czars and czarinas but
I agree with that, that is the ONLY way skating is going to
make a comback in America. When my station broadcasts
skating, most of the audience is from Europe. Skating is still
hot in Europe, but not in America.
American skating has pretty much gone down the loo.
The only Americans that have any chance of a medal in
Vancouver are ice dancers Belbin and Agosto. You
can pretty much write off America in all the other skating
disciplines.
I don't see how Speedy could keep Obama from
appointing a skating czar. Speedy cannot tell America
how to run its government. With Obama hot to hand
out government bailouts, I think American figure
skating needs it. American skating has gone so
far down the loo in the past several years that it
needs a government bailout. COI is out of business
and I am sure that SOI will be among the high
number of business failures. I could see the USFSA
going under in a few years without a government
bailout.
If Congress wanted to the American government to
take over the USFSA that is NOTHING that Speedy
could DO or SAY about it.
There are scenarios saying this downturn could
cause the "balkinization of America". There
are many scenarios.
One scenario has a Republic Of Pacifica in the
weastern USA, Confederate States of America
in the southeast and the New England States
forming their own countries while all of Mexico,
in adddition to Yukon, Alberta, Saskatchuwan
and Mannitoba coming in after a balkinization of
Canada. The rest of Canada becomes a
much smaller Canada, consisting of
just Ontario, plus Quebec, Nuvavat,
and the Maritimes forming their own
countries.
If that happened today, this is how the Nationals
of an expanded USA might look like, the state
in parenthesis is the state of the reconfigured
USA where each skater was born. While
US nationals and North Americans merged
in 1971, and overall bigger USA would
probably have to bring back Nationals, and
this is how I think it would look (US state of
birth in this reconfigured America in parenthesis)
1. Rachael Flatt (North Baja)
2. Alissa Czisny (North Baja)
3. Joani Rochette (Mannitoba)
As you can see, Alissa and Rachael would be on the
Olympic team. In a reconfigured USA, nobody else
would beat them. Even with Alberta, Saskakatchuwan
and Mannitoba in the Union, there are NO skaters
from there that would beat them.
With a reconfgirued North America
that included several new countries,
Vancouver 2010 would look
something like this
1. Kim Yu-Na South Korea
2. Sasha Cohen Confederate States
3. Michelle Kwan Confederate States
4. Rachael Flatt United States
5. Mireya Nagasu Panama
I do believe that Michelle would come out of
retirement to skate for the CSA if this scenario
did take place.
In ice dancing it would likely be
1. Domnina and Shabalin United States (*)
2. Belbin and Agosto Confederate States
3. Virtue and Moir United States
(*) Maximo Shabalin born in Ciudad Delicias, which would
be in the USA in this scenario
In mens, it might look like that
1. Evan Lysacek St Kitts
2. Patrick Chan Rep. of Pacifica
3. Daisuke Takahashi Japan
If this scenario had happened during the 1990s, this
how I think 1996 worlds would have gone
1. Lucia Chen Confederate States
2. Michelle Kwan Confederate States
3. Tonia Kwatkowski United States
4. Nicole Bobeck Australia