Max Boyce and Treorchy Rugby Club
Darren
Some one tried to sell me "Live at Treorchy" the other day in Rheola
Market for three quid and one thing led to the other...
The "Live at Treorchy" recording was made in 1973 at Treorchy Rugby Club.
On Max Boyce's website, he claims this album propelled him to fame.
What was so special about Max Boyce's songs ? Did the humour travel far
outside the Valleys ?
He seemed to be singing during the so-called golden era of Welsh rugby,
whilst much of industrial Wales was slowly disappearing. The song "Duw,
it's hard" captures so much of this post-industrialising Wales.
The last deep mine in Wales, Tower Colliery, situated a few miles from
Boyce's home town of Glynneath is due to close next year. He was singing
about pit closures thirty years ago, but now this community faces the end
of an industry and way of life.
Does the same Treorchy Rugby Club building from 1973 still exist ? The
only one I've seen in Treorchy looks no bigger than a chicken shed.
Look forward to hearing your thoughts on this rugby entertainer.
Darren
--
Aberdare Blog
Strong Views from the Valleys
http://blog.aberdare.org/
Nigel Evans
"Darren" <dar...@gwe.cymraeg.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.11.18.16.14.04.111408@aberdare-cps-org...
> Look forward to hearing your thoughts on this rugby entertainer.
I'd like to point out that this is a rugby newsgroup which does not
encourage crossposting. It is generally of a high standard, and so I am
disappointed that you have linked the low standard newsgroups,
uk.local.south-wales and soc.culture.welsh with this one. I am not a
policeman for this group but feel the need to speak out when a "snake"
misbehaves.
didgerman
Yeah, the pit head {something} is a supermarket now, etc etc
I remember it well, although not that well obviously.
AIUI Welsh steel is twice the price of other steel, and as for coal, who
knows. I suppose digging stuff out of the ground is always going to be a
finite project. Maybe Wales could serve as a model for the rest of the
world, things are running out, beware....
Boyce saves world, not that outrageous when you think about it....
didgerman
Well that's you banned from Treorchy boyo. How's that make you feel, uh?
&
|| I'll take a chance on asking a Max Boyce question on these groups...
|| Some one tried to sell me "Live at Treorchy" the other day in Rheola
|| Market for three quid and one thing led to the other...
||
|| The "Live at Treorchy" recording was made in 1973 at Treorchy Rugby Club.
|| On Max Boyce's website, he claims this album propelled him to fame.
||
|| far outside the Valleys ?
||
|| He seemed to be singing during the so-called golden era of Welsh rugby,
|| whilst much of industrial Wales was slowly disappearing. The song "Duw,
||
|| The last deep mine in Wales, Tower Colliery, situated a few miles from
|| Boyce's home town of Glynneath is due to close next year. He was singing
|| about pit closures thirty years ago, but now this community faces the end
|| of an industry and way of life.
||
|| Does the same Treorchy Rugby Club building from 1973 still exist ? The
|| only one I've seen in Treorchy looks no bigger than a chicken shed.
||
|| Look forward to hearing your thoughts on this rugby entertainer.
When I was a boy many family members of mine had Max Boyce LP's and back
then I liked him. It was the 2nd golden age of Welsh rugby and the game and
especially the supporters were much better back then.
By better I mean the supporters were more knowledgeable and also the
atmosphere was better. Boyce like many of his countrymen would have
attended chapel and throughout the valley communities everyone knew the same
hymns, although the language differed the hymn was the same. These hymns
were then sung at the matches and all would join in.
English fans can only manage 2 lines of the chorus of "Swing Low", sadly at
Wales games you will only hear a couple of lines of "Guide Me O Thy Great
Jehovah. Boyce was able to transform the banter and bonhomie of the rugby
fans onto the stage. My father was a big fan and the first time I saw Boyce
on TV was on a program titled "Poems and Pints".
The humor was purely local and myself I find it very dated although we still
sing his songs, IMHO. I met English people who asked why people bought his
records when he was not funny. Boyce was funny when relaying stories that
people from mining communities could relate to. Holiday's in Porthcawl
during "miners fortnight" and he would mention the odd town at random (where
he had probably toured) and people liked him for it.
Personally myself I think he was a better folk singer than a comedian and he
released albums that continued only contemporary folk songs. Strangely
though he toured in England, I could not see how someone living anywhere
other than South Wales could understand his gag's.
What I do not like about Boyce is that he epitomizes the term "sing when
your winning", when Wales were strong he could not stop crowing, when Wales
were crap, which lasted 20 years and more, we never saw him. When Wales
started to make a comeback and played excellent rugby again, back came
Boyce. Also Boyce is notoriously mean and had many a good time at
receptions and dinners off the back of the Welsh team.
A former Welsh captain who is a very controversial figure once told me that
he actually called Boyce out at "a do" and said to him, "come on Maxey it is
time you shouted a round for the boy's, you have had many a good piss up off
the backs of us". Boyce instead of doing the decent thing stormed out.
Max Boyce has also angered many homophobics, and there are many attached to
Welsh rugby. A can of worms was opened due to his relationship with BBC
newscaster Jamie Owen (the rumor was it was Brockway). Boyce left his wife
to go and live with Owen and for many it was the last straw.
You can also attach him to cronyism, he always had VIP treatment at Welsh
games which I have always detested, however he was the chairman as you
probably know of his local rugby club.
As regards to the Treorchy rugby club I have no idea what it is like now,
but in the mid to late 1990's they played themselves into the old Welsh
first division. They played in black and white and I believe they were
known as the "Zebra's". They were there for a couple of seasons and had a
very loyal and partisan following(a couple of women assaulted one of the
officials) at times.
They were not a big money club but it was good to see them do well.
Unfortunately there are no valley clubs playing in the Celtic league, but
that is the way it is. However you can go anywhere in South Wales to watch
a game of rugby. I tend to watch Pill Harrier's youth, or if I fancy a
drive I will have a run about, look in the paper and find a game. The
Dragon's are local to me but I have never liked the atmosphere at Rodney
Parade.
You mentioned the pits, I was the first of a generation not to work in the
pit's. My father always told me as a boy that he would never allow it but
the industry was on it's way out. The loss of the pit was a massive blow to
South Wales and I do not want to go over the affect it had on these
communities. However mining was a dirty stinking business and it ruined
men's lives, from that angle I am glad that men do not have to mine coal
anymore.
When Wales were on top of the game most of the players were working in a
professional capacity, but they had played the game against miners, dockers
and steel workers. This made the game physical for the time, and there was
the likes of Dai Morris(miner), Terry Holmes(a scrap metal man) and Charlie
Faulkner who managed to hold down physical jobs and play for Wales.
Holmes was a man I greatly admired because he was the understudy to Gareth
Edward's at Cardiff, lesser men like Dewi Morris and Colin Smart "flagged
out" due to better players being in the position. Holmes could have done
the same much chose to stay put.
All round times have indeed changed both on and off the field, some of it is
to the good, and some of it is not to good. But that is life, but they were
great day's.
Jimmy
&
Gareth Slee
> AIUI Welsh steel is twice the price of other steel,
Check your facts before making stupid claims.
--
Gareth Slee
http://www.meroffice.com
&
It could be considered a relevant topic though.
Jimmy
The Green Phantom
[...]
Oh crap! The place is going to be full of Alexander Cordell
reminiscences now. Why do people bloody well cross-post? This is a
local newsgroup for local people to discuss rugby - providing they like
permanent warfare between kiwis and anglos.
regards
The Green Phantom
Sharky
> didgerman <didg...@rfu.com> wrote:
>
>> AIUI Welsh steel is twice the price of other steel,
>
> Check your facts before making stupid claims.
>
didgerman
> didgerman <didg...@rfu.com> wrote:
>
>> AIUI Welsh steel is twice the price of other steel,
>
> Check your facts before making stupid claims.
>
From the BBC:
'It also emerged at the conference that steel cost twice as much to
produce in south Wales as in India.'
I'd read that some time ago. I also did not state it as fact, just as
something I understood from reading an article.
You bloody Welsh should be grateful you have such nice neighbours, now
give me some more coal, it's freezing here......
Nigel Evans
"didgerman" <didg...@rfu.com> wrote in message
news:XkH7h.33662$TH3....@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
No chance of me being banned from Treorchy. I am Zebra friendly.
&
That was the best thing that could have happened to British rugby, England
winning today. It means that the great "ham bone" Robinson will get to
inflict more damage than we could have hoped for.
The scrum half - no good.
Cohen - no good.
Cueto - vastly over rated (I know the family well BTW).
Lewsey - good in the tackle, bad kicking today.
Correy- replace him.
A decent side would have thrashed England today.
Jimmy
Gareth Slee
> It also emerged at the conference that steel cost twice as much to
> produce in south Wales as in India.'
Would you want Indian steel in your car? I bloody wouldn't. They
concentrate on the cheaper end of the market where steel manufactured in
the UK concentrates on the higher end.
Hence the price difference.
There's more than the price of something.
Corus are a very competitive steel maker and they have plants not only
in Wales, but also in England, and Holland.
> You bloody Welsh should be grateful you have such nice neighbours, now
> give me some more coal, it's freezing here......
LOL
We wouldn't sell it to you bloody English mate :-)
didgerman
Well there you have it, in black and white...
didgerman
> didgerman <didg...@rfu.com> wrote:
>
>> It also emerged at the conference that steel cost twice as much to
>> produce in south Wales as in India.'
>
> Would you want Indian steel in your car? I bloody wouldn't. They
> concentrate on the cheaper end of the market where steel manufactured in
> the UK concentrates on the higher end.
> Hence the price difference.
> There's more than the price of something.
> Corus are a very competitive steel maker and they have plants not only
> in Wales, but also in England, and Holland.
I can see I've touched a nerve here, but rest easy. I only read that
Welsh steel was twice the price, I haven't said emphatically that it is,
or have I said I'd prefer one or the other.
My 'car' is a 35 year old Volkswagen, so no, I do not want a car made
from cheap monkey metal thankyouverymuch.
Believe me, in Glasgow's car mad crowded west end, my steel bumpers
cause no end of parking mirth. Every week I'll get a new colour of paint
on one corner, whilst some oaf writes off a wing. Given VW's
pan-european workforce at that time, there's every chance that some were
made from British, possibly Welsh steel. I'll ask one of the beardy ones
when I'm at the next club night {not that club matua....}.
>
>
>> You bloody Welsh should be grateful you have such nice neighbours, now
>> give me some more coal, it's freezing here......
>
> LOL
> We wouldn't sell it to you bloody English mate :-)
I'd love to offer you two goats, or whatever you Welsh use for money
these days, but I've got Children of Men to watch on DVD, there's lovely....
P.S, bought coal from Indian man at corner shop, so piss off...
>
&
Climb back into bed with your mother then.
Jimmy (£)
&
You piss off Georgie, back to Germany
Jimmy (Ł)
&
|| & blathered...
||| English fans can only manage 2 lines of the chorus of "Swing Low",
||| sadly at Wales games you will only hear a couple of lines of "Guide Me
||| O Thy Great Jehovah.
|||
||
|| However, I can sing all the verses of 'Guide Me O Thou great Redeemer'.
|| --
|| Bev.
Well then take a lesson.
It was composed in Wales by a Welshman and the tune is Cwm Rhondda.
The correct and traditional Hymn is Guide Me O Thy Great Jehovah.
Like everything else it has been bastardized.
Jimmy
Jane
<b...@YoullHaveToAsk.con> writes
>& blathered...
>> English fans can only manage 2 lines of the chorus of "Swing Low", sadly at
>> Wales games you will only hear a couple of lines of "Guide Me O Thy Great
>> Jehovah.
>>
>
>However, I can sing all the verses of 'Guide Me O Thou great Redeemer'.
Ah, but can you sing it in the original language?
'Arglwydd, arwain trwy'r anialwch'.
--
Jane
Jane
<spea...@hotmail.com> writes
Williams Pantycelyn's "Arglwydd, arwain trwy'r anialwch" (No. 251 in his
"Caniadau y rhai sydd ar y Mor o Wydr i Frenin y Saint") into English
was "Guide me, O thou great Jehovah", at No.72 in his "Gloria in
Excelsis, or Hymns of Praise to God and the Lamb".
--
Jane
Jimmy O' Sheene
I am awfully sorry but that I can not do !!!
My granny often did it proud though.
She was one of the few left in Monmouthshire who could converse in Welsh.
Although I would imagine there are a few more speaking it today.
My great grandmother who was also fluent in "Cymraeg" was also the first
person to sell banana's in the valleys of Monmouthshire.
Jimmy (£)
(Jimmy the Pound)
The Green Phantom
Could I ask you guys politely to remove rec.sport.rugby.union from your
follow-ups please?
We already have more than our share of irritation over rugby and an
argument over Max Boyce Live At The Pit Head Baths followed by a
discussion over the appropriate gender or title, in Welsh, of the
Almighty, is perhaps more than our world-wide audience can deal with.
regards
The Green Phantom
Miguel
The Green Phantom wrote:
> Could I ask you guys politely to remove rec.sport.rugby.union from your
> follow-ups please?
>
> We already have more than our share of irritation over rugby and an
> argument over Max Boyce Live At The Pit Head Baths followed by a
> discussion over the appropriate gender or title, in Welsh, of the
> Almighty, is perhaps more than our world-wide audience can deal with.
>
> regards
>
> The Green Phantom
I'll politely second that.
Regards
Miguel
rick boyd
> His 'humour' never travelled much further than Neath. A couple of years
> ago he did a televised show in the Sydney Opera House. He was shite.
> Only a few of the audience were laughing.
I saw him in Sydney in the early 80s. He was hilarious. Loved every
minute of it.
-- rick boyd
Jane
<b...@YoullHaveToAsk.con> writes
>Jane blathered...
>> Ah, but can you sing it in the original language?
>>
>> 'Arglwydd, arwain trwy'r anialwch'.
>>
>I don't have a problem reading something so phonetic.
Here you go, then. Enjoy!
Arglwydd, arwain trwy'r anialwch
Fi bererin gwael ei wedd,
Nad oes ynof nerth na bywyd,
Fel yn gorwedd yn y bedd;
Hollalluog, Hollalluog, &c.
Ydyw'r un a'm cwyd i'r lan.
Myfi grwydrais hir flynyddau,
Ac heb weled codi'r wawr,
Anobeithiais heb dy allu
Dd'od o'r anial dir yn awr;
Dere dy hunan, &c.
Dyna'r pryd y dof i ma's.
Rho'r g'lofn dân y nos i'm harwain,
A rho'r golofn niwl y dydd,
Dal fi pan b'wy'n teithio'r manau
Geirwon yn fy ffordd y sydd;
Rho i mi fanna, &c.
Fel na b'wyf i lwfrhau.
Agor y ffynonau melus,
Sydd yn tarddu o'r graig i maes,
'R hyd yr anial mawr canlyned
Afon iechydwriaeth gras;
Rho i mi hyny, &c.
Dim i mi ond dy fwynhau.
Pan b'wy'n myned trwy'r Iorddonen,
Angeu creulon yn ei rym,
Ti est trwyddi gynt dy hunan,
P'am yr ofnaf bellach ddim?
Buddygoliaeth, &c.
Gwna i mi waeddi yn y llif.
Mi ymddiriedaf yn dy allu,
Mawr yw'r gwaith a wnest erioed,
Ti ge'st angeu, ti ge'st uffern,
Ti ge'st Satan tan dy droed;
Pen Calfaria, &c.
Nac aed hwnw byth o'm cof.
--
Jane
Dave L
news:MPG.1fc94fb1f...@news.readfreenews.net:
> Darren wrote
>
>> I'll take a chance on asking a Max Boyce question on these groups...
>> Some one tried to sell me "Live at Treorchy" the other day in Rheola
>> Market for three quid and one thing led to the other...
>>
>> The "Live at Treorchy" recording was made in 1973 at Treorchy Rugby
>> Club. On Max Boyce's website, he claims this album propelled him to
>> fame.
>
> ... and the one's after propelled him to obscurity.
>
Oh you mean his second album, "We All Had Doctors Papers" that reached No 1
in the album chart and got him into the Guiness Book of Records as the
first comedy album to top the charts.
Dave
Jane
<b...@YoullHaveToAsk.con> writes
>& blathered...
>> Bev wrote:
>> || & blathered...
>> ||| English fans can only manage 2 lines of the chorus of "Swing Low",
>> ||| sadly at Wales games you will only hear a couple of lines of "Guide Me
>> ||| O Thy Great Jehovah.
>> |||
>> || Never heard of it.
>> ||
>> || However, I can sing all the verses of 'Guide Me O Thou great Redeemer'.
>> || --
>> || Bev.
>>
>> Well then take a lesson.
>>
>> It was composed in Wales by a Welshman and the tune is Cwm Rhondda.
>>
>
>And you can give me as many lessons as you like, but the point remains
>that I can sing all the verses of
>Guide.... Redeemer,
>and not Guide... Jehovah
>regardless of which came first or which is 'correct'.
Of course, if you want to be pedantic, neither "Jehovah" nor "Redeemer"
is correct. The Welsh "Arglwydd" translates as "Lord".
--
Jane
Jane
Green Phantom <a...@the.right.time> writes
>Could I ask you guys politely to remove rec.sport.rugby.union from your
>follow-ups please?
>
>We already have more than our share of irritation over rugby and an
>argument over Max Boyce Live At The Pit Head Baths followed by a
>discussion over the appropriate gender or title, in Welsh, of the
>Almighty, is perhaps more than our world-wide audience can deal with.
>
>regards
>
>The Green Phantom
Bore da (Good Morning) Mr Phantom
I'm sorry that the members of rec.sport.rugby.union are being annoyed by
the erudite discussion of Max Boyce and other things Welsh in this
thread. However it is not our fault that things are being posted to your
newsgroup, but that of the person who added uk.local.south-wales in the
first place.
I'm sure you are aware that for me to remove rsru would be to deny
whoever is interested in this rambling discussion from continuing
therein. This would be unfair and would probably infringe their human
rights. So, as it is easiest for me to do nothing, I shall do nothing. I
assume the others in uls-w feel likewise, but then I only speak for
myself and not for anyone else.
By the way, I was hoping Yr Eidal would beat Yr Arianwn, but it was not
to be. Ah, well! Here's to the next time, whenever that may be!
Have a nice day.
--
Jane
Mike
> I'll take a chance on asking a Max Boyce question on these groups...
> Some one tried to sell me "Live at Treorchy" the other day in Rheola
> Market for three quid and one thing led to the other...
>
> The "Live at Treorchy" recording was made in 1973 at Treorchy Rugby Club.
> On Max Boyce's website, he claims this album propelled him to fame.
>
> outside the Valleys ?
>
> He seemed to be singing during the so-called golden era of Welsh rugby,
> whilst much of industrial Wales was slowly disappearing. The song "Duw,
> it's hard" captures so much of this post-industrialising Wales.
>
> The last deep mine in Wales, Tower Colliery, situated a few miles from
> Boyce's home town of Glynneath is due to close next year. He was singing
> about pit closures thirty years ago, but now this community faces the end
> of an industry and way of life.
>
> Does the same Treorchy Rugby Club building from 1973 still exist ? The
> only one I've seen in Treorchy looks no bigger than a chicken shed.
> Look forward to hearing your thoughts on this rugby entertainer.
>
>
I saw Max Boyce live once, I had free tickets and nothing to do. I
should have asked for my money back .....
I may have missed the joke though, is a large artificial leak funny to
welsh people?
Mike
Nigel Evans
"Jimmy O' Sheene" <spea...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Q2L7h.18427$yz3....@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> My great grandmother who was also fluent in "Cymraeg" was also the first
> person to sell banana's in the valleys of Monmouthshire.
Yes, she realised that there were more monkeys living in Gwent than there
were in Glamorgan.
The Green Phantom
> In message <455f88e5$0$8758$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>, The
> Green Phantom <a...@the.right.time> writes
>> Could I ask you guys politely to remove rec.sport.rugby.union from
>> your follow-ups please?
>>
>> We already have more than our share of irritation over rugby and an
>> argument over Max Boyce Live At The Pit Head Baths followed by a
>> discussion over the appropriate gender or title, in Welsh, of the
>> Almighty, is perhaps more than our world-wide audience can deal with.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> The Green Phantom
>
> Bore da (Good Morning) Mr Phantom
>
> I'm sorry that the members of rec.sport.rugby.union are being annoyed by
> the erudite discussion of Max Boyce and other things Welsh in this
> thread. However it is not our fault that things are being posted to your
> newsgroup, but that of the person who added uk.local.south-wales in the
> first place.
Bore da i chi.
How bloody nice, a rogueish, welsh person who with a twinkle in the eye
feels that it's perfectly acceptable to reply to a polite request, not
with an 'I'm sorry, I don't know how to do it' but what is clearly meant
to be an example of the wit for which we are not famous around the world.
When Ryan and Ronny were legends in Wales, and their catchphrase
'natural wit o' the miner' was famous (in Wales). There was actually
some comedic talent available. I can promise you however that that wit
is now in extremely short supply. It relies on the occasional visits by
such as Nigel Evans to give us some semblance of what Welsh wit actually is.
Now, it's bad enough that we get occasional cross posting from Muscle
Mary and Captain Cod having one of their interminable spats, followed up
by some clown over on the league game.
We even have our own dimwits who we have to tolerate because at least
they respect the purpose of the group ie rugby.
When some dimwit from the province cross posts however it becomes a
tiresome chore. uk.local.south-wales I can understand for this topic,
soc.culture.welsh definitely, even wales.sport.rugby-union has at least
a slight association with the topic, if not a major one these days.
The relevance of Max Boyce to Kiwis such as Bobs and Blanchett et al,
Ferdi on the bloody veldt or GHFAN in New York, even Ardvaark in
Scotland, or God Forbid Didgerman in the same climatic hell hole is at
best tenous and at worst breaches their human rights far more
significantly by forcing them to endure discussions of 'redeemer' v
'jehovah' in Welsh.
Should you wish to continue being rogueish and delightfully 'Welsh' I
shall be more than happy to start cross-posting Matuas' cultural
offerings for your equal appreciation of human rights.
Before replying that you welcome one and all I suggest you use Google
groups and check first.
Iawn?
regards
The Green Phantom
Jimmy O' Sheene
I would prefer to live among monkees than red arsed baboons any day of the
week.
Jimmy
Jimmy O' Sheene
|| Bev <b...@YoullHaveToAsk.con> wrote:
||
||| Jane blathered...
|||| Ah, but can you sing it in the original language?
||||
|||| 'Arglwydd, arwain trwy'r anialwch'.
||||
||| I don't have a problem reading something so phonetic.
||
|| as if it is ever really going to matter one way or the other anyway.
|| Give it 20 years then count the effort, and financial, waste.
I would say there are more people speaking Welsh correctly in Wales, than
there are English people speaking their native tongue in England.
Jimmy
Trigger
"Darren" <dar...@gwe.cymraeg.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.11.18.16.14.04.111408@aberdare-cps-org...
> Some one tried to sell me "Live at Treorchy" the other day in Rheola
> Market for three quid and one thing led to the other...
>
> The "Live at Treorchy" recording was made in 1973 at Treorchy Rugby Club.
> On Max Boyce's website, he claims this album propelled him to fame.
>
> What was so special about Max Boyce's songs ? Did the humour travel far
> outside the Valleys ?
I saw him and his troop in the London palladium in the late 70s or early
80s. He was funny and connected well with the audience. He did a mix of
songs which was nice.
As I recall he had a phrase "ogee, ogee ogee" and the audience would join in
the chant. The phrase was borrowed later at government (Thatcher) demos
""ogee, ogee ogee Maggie, Maggie, Maggie - out" something like that.
Nigel Evans
Do you know a lot about monkeys ? Why don't you make a newsgroup for monkeys
?
Nigel Evans
> I would say there are more people speaking Welsh correctly in Wales, than
> there are English people speaking their native tongue in England.
Would you ? Why ? I don't know the extent of your language skills but those
relating to mathematics appear to be very poor indeed. Please try to find an
estimate of the number of natives in Wales and England. ( I'll give you a
clue - lots more English people than Welsh people. ) Have I read your
remarks too literally ? Then, try to be more precise when you express
yourself.
rick boyd
> I saw him and his troop in the London palladium in the late 70s or early
> 80s. He was funny and connected well with the audience. He did a mix of
> songs which was nice.
>
> As I recall he had a phrase "ogee, ogee ogee" and the audience would join in
> the chant. The phrase was borrowed later at government (Thatcher) demos
> ""ogee, ogee ogee Maggie, Maggie, Maggie - out" something like that.
Now borrowed by Australians as "Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi".
They're not very original with that sort of thing, unfortunately.
-- rick boyd
Sharky
> Darren wrote:
>> Darren
>>
>
> I saw Max Boyce live once, I had free tickets and nothing to do. I
> should have asked for my money back .....
>
> I may have missed the joke though, is a large artificial leak funny to
> welsh people?
>
> Mike
It was when he got the phone out of it!
hahahah.
Mind you, I was only 7 when I saw him in Swansea.
Mike
Maybe I was too old to appreciate it, I must have been 21 and I was
sober as well so perhaps I was not being fair to old max.
It's like Chubby Brown, the first couple of jokes were amusing enough
but the constant stream of obscenities ceases to be funny and becomes
.... boring!
Hey that sounds familiar .....
Mike
Peter Twydell
<Tri...@nags.head.com> writes
first heard it in club rugby in Somerset in the sixties, long before Max
Boyce became known east of the Severn.
--
Peter
Ying tong iddle-i po!
lurkio
>>> What was so special about Max Boyce's songs ? Did the humour
>>> travel far outside the Valleys ?
>>
sell out in Sydney mate
Peter Twydell
<lur...@privcy.com> writes
>Peter Twydell wrote:
>
No I didn't. That was the OP, Darren. Get a grip.
>>>> What was so special about Max Boyce's songs ? Did the humour
>>>> travel far outside the Valleys ?
>>>
>sell out in Sydney mate
>
>
--
didgerman
Opened the Red Green?
The Green Phantom
> The Green Phantom wrote:
[snip rant]
> Opened the Red Green?
What was that joke about what do you tell a woman with two black eyes?
Anyway, it was white.
regards
The Green Phantom
Pablo
Do I need to tell you a third time ?
P
Jane
writes
>excess of 60 millions. A bit like attempting to compare oranges and
>apples. In any event, I fail to see what point you are trying to make.
>
>How does the number of English people speaking their native tongue
>incorrectly, have a bearing on the amount of effort and money being
>squandered on the Welsh language?
AIUI there are more people in England who can speak Welsh, than there
are in Wales.
--
Jane
Jimmy O' Sheene
|| "Jimmy O' Sheene" <spea...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
|| news:ybW7h.33760$TH3....@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
||| Nigel Evans wrote:
||||| "Jimmy O' Sheene" <spea...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
||||| news:Q2L7h.18427$yz3....@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
|||||
|||||| My great grandmother who was also fluent in "Cymraeg" was also the
|||||| first person to sell banana's in the valleys of Monmouthshire.
|||||
||||| Yes, she realised that there were more monkeys living in Gwent than
||||| there were in Glamorgan.
|||
||| I would prefer to live among monkees than red arsed baboons any day of
||| the week.
|||
||| Jimmy
|||
||
|| Do you know a lot about monkeys ? Why don't you make a newsgroup for
|| monkeys ?
One is enough "red".
Jimmy
Jimmy O' Sheene
Gwent ?
No such place!
Jimmy
Jimmy O' Sheene
|| excess of 60 millions. A bit like attempting to compare oranges and
|| apples. In any event, I fail to see what point you are trying to make.
||
|| How does the number of English people speaking their native tongue
|| incorrectly, have a bearing on the amount of effort and money being
|| squandered on the Welsh language?
Who cares and what has money got to do with anything ?
Jimmy
Jimmy O' Sheene
Well if you take a look around the place you will see.
Example
"yeh I fink we cud go down the Pink Pussycat club, I like it there blood,
everthing is cheep an get wight pissed innit. If we lukky we go fuckking in
der lane wid de bouncer innit, fag for a shag Shirrelle innit cool roodster.
Jimmy.
The Anglo-Germans have forgotten their own tongue
Nigel Evans
> Well if you take a look around the place you will see.
>
> Example
>
> "yeh I fink we cud go down the Pink Pussycat club, I like it there blood,
> everthing is cheep an get wight pissed innit. If we lukky we go fuckking
> in der lane wid de bouncer innit, fag for a shag Shirrelle innit cool
> roodster.
>
> Jimmy.
>
> The Anglo-Germans have forgotten their own tongue
>
I've let myself down badly. I swore I would never sit next to the nutter on
the bus again.
Jimmy O' Sheene
South I would have said.
Jimmy
didgerman
Sure there is, there used to be a G there, bit it went.
Ithankyou.....
The Green Phantom
I'm telling you now. You'll be sorry. You know what happened when we
got cross-posts from alt.steroids.muscle.queens.
regards
The Green Phantom
Tim Fitzmaurice
> Well then take a lesson.
>
> It was composed in Wales by a Welshman and the tune is Cwm Rhondda.
>
> The correct and traditional Hymn is Guide Me O Thy Great Jehovah.
'Stone him!!! He said Jehov....aaaargh'
Apologies to Messers Cleese, Idle, Jones, Chapman and Gilliam
Tim
--
When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart
ICQ: 5178568
didgerman
> didgerman wrote:
> || Gareth Slee wrote:
> ||| didgerman <didg...@rfu.com> wrote:
> |||
> |||| It also emerged at the conference that steel cost twice as much to
> |||| produce in south Wales as in India.'
> |||
> ||| Would you want Indian steel in your car? I bloody wouldn't. They
> ||| concentrate on the cheaper end of the market where steel manufactured in
> ||| the UK concentrates on the higher end.
> ||| Hence the price difference.
> ||| There's more than the price of something.
> ||| Corus are a very competitive steel maker and they have plants not only
> ||| in Wales, but also in England, and Holland.
> ||
> || I can see I've touched a nerve here, but rest easy. I only read that
> || Welsh steel was twice the price, I haven't said emphatically that it is,
> || or have I said I'd prefer one or the other.
> || My 'car' is a 35 year old Volkswagen, so no, I do not want a car made
> || from cheap monkey metal thankyouverymuch.
> || Believe me, in Glasgow's car mad crowded west end, my steel bumpers
> || cause no end of parking mirth. Every week I'll get a new colour of paint
> || on one corner, whilst some oaf writes off a wing. Given VW's
> || pan-european workforce at that time, there's every chance that some were
> || made from British, possibly Welsh steel. I'll ask one of the beardy ones
> || when I'm at the next club night {not that club matua....}.
> ||
> |||
> |||
> |||| You bloody Welsh should be grateful you have such nice neighbours, now
> |||| give me some more coal, it's freezing here......
> |||
> ||| LOL
> ||| We wouldn't sell it to you bloody English mate :-)
> ||
> || I'd love to offer you two goats, or whatever you Welsh use for money
> || these days, but I've got Children of Men to watch on DVD, there's
> || lovely.... P.S, bought coal from Indian man at corner shop, so piss
> || off...
>
> You piss off Georgie, back to Germany
>
> Jimmy (Ł)
>
>
Whooosh
Darren
> I saw Max Boyce live once, I had free tickets and nothing to do. I
> should have asked for my money back .....
>
> I may have missed the joke though, is a large artificial leak funny to
> welsh people?
A giant leek ? Absolutely hilarious.
In Welsh culture, the leek represents a phallus, a source of great comedy.
Max Boyce walking on to a stage with a giant 'prick'... bloody hilarious!
Darren
--
Aberdare Blog
Strong Views from the Valleys
http://blog.aberdare.org/
Darren
> When I was a boy many family members of mine had Max Boyce LP's and back
> then I liked him. It was the 2nd golden age of Welsh rugby and the game and
> especially the supporters were much better back then.
Excuse my ignorance, but what was the FIRST golden age ?
> The humor was purely local and myself I find it very dated although we
> still sing his songs, IMHO. I met English people who asked why people
> bought his records when he was not funny. Boyce was funny when relaying
> stories that people from mining communities could relate to. Holiday's
> in Porthcawl during "miners fortnight" and he would mention the odd town
> at random (where he had probably toured) and people liked him for it.
What was "miners fortnight" ?
> Max Boyce has also angered many homophobics, and there are many attached
> to Welsh rugby. A can of worms was opened due to his relationship with
> BBC newscaster Jamie Owen (the rumor was it was Brockway). Boyce left
> his wife to go and live with Owen and for many it was the last straw.
Max boyce is a gay-er ? I don't believe it. The man with a big leek.
No.... This must be one of those USENET legends.
> mining was a dirty stinking business and it ruined men's lives, from that
> angle I am glad that men do not have to mine coal anymore.
I've never worked in the mines. I'm interested to hear your opinion and
that of other people who know about this "dirty stinking business".
Thanks for your comments Jimmy.
Sharky
> On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:05:49 +0000, & wrote:
>
>> When I was a boy many family members of mine had Max Boyce LP's and back
>> then I liked him. It was the 2nd golden age of Welsh rugby and the game and
>> especially the supporters were much better back then.
>
> Excuse my ignorance, but what was the FIRST golden age ?
>
>> The humor was purely local and myself I find it very dated although we
>> still sing his songs, IMHO. I met English people who asked why people
>> bought his records when he was not funny. Boyce was funny when relaying
>> stories that people from mining communities could relate to. Holiday's
>> in Porthcawl during "miners fortnight" and he would mention the odd town
>> at random (where he had probably toured) and people liked him for it.
>
> What was "miners fortnight" ?
>
You're taking the piss right? You run a webpage devoted to Aberdare and
you don't know?
Ah
"Firefighters attended a fire at Aberdare Tesco in Depot Road, Gadlys on
Saturday 18th November at 19.28. The fire involved a large amount of
toilet rolls on an artic trailer.
These were severely damaged by fire, and fire fighters from Aberdare
fire station used two jets and two hose reel jets to extinguish the blaze."
I guess you don't know much about shit!
Jimmy O' Sheene
|| On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:05:49 +0000, & wrote:
||
||| When I was a boy many family members of mine had Max Boyce LP's and back
||| then I liked him. It was the 2nd golden age of Welsh rugby and the
||| game and especially the supporters were much better back then.
||
|| Excuse my ignorance, but what was the FIRST golden age ?
||
||| The humor was purely local and myself I find it very dated although we
||| still sing his songs, IMHO. I met English people who asked why people
||| bought his records when he was not funny. Boyce was funny when relaying
||| stories that people from mining communities could relate to. Holiday's
||| in Porthcawl during "miners fortnight" and he would mention the odd town
||| at random (where he had probably toured) and people liked him for it.
||
|| ||
||| to Welsh rugby. A can of worms was opened due to his relationship with
||| BBC newscaster Jamie Owen (the rumor was it was Brockway). Boyce left
||| his wife to go and live with Owen and for many it was the last straw.
||
|| Max boyce is a gay-er ? I don't believe it. The man with a big leek.
||
|| No.... This must be one of those USENET legends.
||
||| mining was a dirty stinking business and it ruined men's lives, from
||| that angle I am glad that men do not have to mine coal anymore.
||
|| I've never worked in the mines. I'm interested to hear your opinion and
|| that of other people who know about this "dirty stinking business".
||
|| Thanks for your comments Jimmy.
||
|| Darren
Well I had it a little bit mixed up myself but I was made aware of it
originally by a video that was introduced by Cliff Morgan. I think Boyce
would have been talking about the 3rd "golden age"
Anyway.
http://digidol.llgc.org.uk/METS/XCH00001/arddeitem?locale=en&ID=XCHdmd4%20XCHdmd4a&eitem=4
Not always the best source but you could always check with the WRU site.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales_national_rugby_union_team
What was "miners fortnight" ?
Well mining being the type of business that it was, the pits would more or
less shut down at the same time. The miners would then take their 2 week
holiday's at places like Porthcawl. My family did and I remember many of
the neighbors doing the same. They did not all have transport back then
(60's, 70's) as they do today so it was the easiest but not always the
cheapest holiday.
You could be in Porthcawl in the same caravan every year and you next door
neighbor could be next door to you in the next caravan, or across the way
from you would be people from the same street. They nicknamed Porthcawl
"hiya butty bay", because everyone would know someone, hiya but would be a
familiar greeting.
I've never worked in the mines. I'm interested to hear your opinion and
|| that of other people who know about this "dirty stinking business".
The pits went and it caused all sorts of problems and destroyed communities,
but the fact remains it was a nasty old way to earn a living.
Way back in the 19C it was common for women and children as young as 7 to be
working underground but I will stick to the point raised.
I never worked in the pit myself but all my family did before me and I grew
up listening to comments made by the family. I will try and keep it brief.
I laugh at some peoples ignorance when they say "get the coal up Taff" and
quite honestly they would shit seven different shades of shit if they had to
go down in the cage themselves.
My maternal grandfather lost his hand in a mining accident, received very
little compensation (as they get today), but as was the way, as soon as he
was fit he returned without complaint, to a job on top of the pit. The
dust he picked up on his lungs while underground caused all manner of
complaints and hospitalized him on several occasions.
Miners were retired early at 60 due to the fact many would not live to see
70 years. My grandfather died aged 62 due to the dust collected underground
when he was in his prime. Heart disease done him in the end as it did many
others.
My paternal grandfather (who was in Burma aged 21) also died of the same
cause, only in his case it took him about 14 years and a slow death, again
the dust, Both my grandmother refused to claim any compensation, which they
should have, but they were people of a different age and their view was that
the coal board could shove the money where the sun don't shine.
My Mothers uncle was killed in the Six Bells mining disaster in the early
1960's as were a couple more in our street. Another Uncle was a fireman
underground and had complained about the level of gas, but they still sent
the men down. Today they would not get away with it.
http://www.welshcoalmines.co.uk/deathrolls/SixBells.htm
My uncles name is on the above (Earnie)
http://www.pitwork.net/sixbells.htm
My Father's time underground was over when he was about 30 due to back and
leg trouble caused by working in water underground, although he never
stopped working.
I can remember seeing all the old men, most are dead now, wheezing on the
buses and trying to walk up the hill, my father uncle dropped dead out the
garden while in his 50's.
This is just personal accounts that I know of but if you ask around you will
no doubt find much of the same. Even today the Government tried to leave it
as long as they could without paying miners or their families compensation
in the hope they would die first. Then you get idiots moaning about what
has to come out of the treasury for stuff like the Welsh Language. To tell
the truth they have had a lot more out of Wales than they ever put back in.
All these old men would have blue scars on their faces from where they got
cut underground and it looked like they had been tattooed. Even with the
Aberfan disaster the Government took the money to move the tip out of the
disaster fund and they are still haggling about givng the money back.
Max boyce is a gay-er ? I don't believe it. The man with a big leek.
Well apparently it is pretty well known and probably explains why he has
got on well at the BBC that his only my own opinion mind. Many of these
creative types are gay.
Jimmy
Trigger
"M˛ T.." <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message ...
> Darren wrote
>
>> I'll take a chance on asking a Max Boyce question on these groups...
>> Boyce's home town of Glynneath is due to close next year. He was singing
>> about pit closures thirty years ago, but now this community faces the end
>> of an industry and way of life.
>
> Like he knows. Hasn't he 'come out'?
Do you mean to say he is a homosexual?
lurkio
>>>>> What was so special about Max Boyce's songs ? Did the humour
>>>>> travel far outside the Valleys ?
>>>>
>>>> I saw him and his troop in the London palladium in the late 70s or
>>>> early 80s. He was funny and connected well with the audience. He
>>>> did a mix of songs which was nice.
>>>>
I think he came to national conscience around the same time as Mr Connelly,
maybe as the Scot was a world phenomenon (i,e broke into the US market) Max
was eclipsed as he was very big for a few years in english markets exc the
US and also had several concerts in the Middle East for the brits e.g
Dubai,hong kong etc.
There aren't many people who remain big stars for decades without a certain
"hardness" or single mindedness - Max always came across as to normal
/decent,
Having a friend who worked in a food environment(? ) he told me of many
stars who kept looking young (men 2) who would spalsh out and have an egg
white omlette as theironly meal of the day
Sharky
Rugby meets American Football.
First two thirds of the programme was about how Rugby was played by hard
men and Am Football by poofs who needed padding.
Max went out to play Am Football to show how a Welshman could kick their
arses.
Last third of program was Max getting put on his arse by very large
Merkins, several times over.
Funniest thing he ever did (including leeks with phones)
lurkio
>
> The twat was about 40 when he did that show. And he's a shortarse.
And we can always rely on you for an intelligent balanced sensible
contribution :-)
Rick Hughes
"Darren" <dar...@gwe.cymraeg.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.11.18.16.14.04.111408@aberdare-cps-org...
> Market for three quid and one thing led to the other...
>
> The "Live at Treorchy" recording was made in 1973 at Treorchy Rugby Club.
> On Max Boyce's website, he claims this album propelled him to fame.
Others will answer your Questions, I met Max on several occasions, initially
when he worked at Metal Box factory in Neath as an Electrician.
On the last occasion my boy was playing a kids rugby game against Gylnneath
... he turned up, and was more thna happy to have pictures with the team,
and spent a long time talking to all the kids - he had his TV show on at the
time during the World cup.
The kids loved it - and he really had an affection for them and the kids
game.
His humour may be parochial, (like Mike Harding) and very much of the time,
but that doesn't detract from the fact that he is a genuine guy, and makes
time for people - he has personally bankrolled Glynneath rugby club on more
than one occasion, it would no longer exist if it wasn't for Max.
You may not find him funny - that is personal choice, I loved "Live at
Treorchy", but cringed when I saw the Max series where he went to America -
embarrassing stuff.
A couple of years back (probably on the 30th anniversary) there was a
programme on TV about the making of "Live at Treorchy" and Max went back to
club, so assume it's still there.
One of the highlights for Max, was when the Arms Park took to singing 'Hymns
and Arias', this was the time when singing at Internationals was a very big
thing ... now it's the damn Mexican Wave.
Rick Hughes
>
Your mother must be so proud
Nigel Evans
"Rick Hughes" <rick_...@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:_5udnbdtPchRe_vY...@bt.com...
> A couple of years back (probably on the 30th anniversary) there was a
> programme on TV about the making of "Live at Treorchy" and Max went back
> to club, so assume it's still there.
You could find out by driving up Gynneath Bank, trurn right at the
roudabout, up over the Rhigos. down the hill and drive down the one street
which is the Rhondda. Make it a daytrip for the family. Have a horrible cup
of frothy milk and water at a quaint Italian cafe. Complete your Rhondda
valley experience by driving to Ponty, turning left onto the A470 and
speeding to the oasis which is Merthyr Tydfil. Back up the hill, wait four
hours for the traffic lights, turn right at Hirwaun and you're back home
again.
Alternatively, you could check the phone book and give them a ring. I can
just imagine the answer you will get when you ask, " Do you still exist,
please ? "