JONATHAN DAVIES (What an Annoying fart)
Akamoke
commentation arena
He is such a self gratifying , conceited , arrogant $h!t
He really seems to be losing his credibility with me, and his cynical way of
knocking down players, either Welsh (ie vs France) or Italy (vs Wales) is very
appauling..
I think the problem is that, since he left for Rugby league and the Welsh team
went into a decade of misery, the Welsh have been clamouring for him, they ve
made him a demi god and an overrated superstar, so he has developed an over
inflated ego in the process. I saw a video on the "Welsh greatest players" or
such like and you should have heard the crap this guy was spitting,
"When I went to Rugby league, Rugby union had been the loser becaue it had been
deprived of my services"
Even Cliff Morgan, Barry John, and Phil Bennet before him would not sing their
praises as he does, I don' t think he was any better than those players in his
hey day and its not like Wales were all that successful in his era, one triple
crow, even Rob Andrew has a better case to be cocky than he is..
His commentating for BBC, almost turns me off watching Welsh games, I really
love watching the Welsh I just hope he doesnt commentate much and I like the
way Bill McLaren subtly shut him up in the Wales vs France game, maybe thats
why we had JJ as a commentating sidekick in the Italy game, commentators need
not be opinionated and he needs some lessons before he can walk in the shoes of
great sidekicks like Gareth Edwards , even Phil Bennet and JJ. Welsh Rugby can
do without this guy Jonathan Davies, he may have been a silky player but hes
not all that and sometimes he needs to keep his opinions to himself. His
insinuations that England plays Boring Rugby was also uncalled for last weekend
after the news of them beating France came in, whatever misgivings one may have
about the English Rugby, as a commentator, thats not your position.
Has this guy been so lost in the wilderness that he feels that he needs so much
attention ala David Campese?
Grow up Mr Davies
Kenny MacLeod
news:20000221060909...@nso-fi.aol.com...
>
> He is such a self gratifying , conceited , arrogant $h!t
You don't like old smiler?
> His commentating for BBC, almost turns me off watching Welsh games, I
really
> love watching the Welsh I just hope he doesnt commentate much and I like
the
> way Bill McLaren subtly shut him up in the Wales vs France game, maybe
thats
> why we had JJ as a commentating sidekick in the Italy game, commentators
need
> not be opinionated and he needs some lessons before he can walk in the
shoes of
> great sidekicks like Gareth Edwards , even Phil Bennet and JJ. Welsh Rugby
can
> do without this guy Jonathan Davies, he may have been a silky player but
hes
> not all that and sometimes he needs to keep his opinions to himself. His
> insinuations that England plays Boring Rugby was also uncalled for last
weekend
> after the news of them beating France came in, whatever misgivings one may
have
> about the English Rugby, as a commentator, thats not your position.
Don't be daft... as a commentator and a pundit it's your _job_ to give
opinions.
Akamoke
<kenny_...@S.P.A.M.yahoo.com> writes:
>ve
>> about the English Rugby, as a commentator, thats not your position.
>
>Don't be daft... as a commentator and a pundit it's your _job_ to give
>opinions.
>
Dont be daft, as a commentator, its your job to call the game
Ivanalias
What right do you have to criticise him? Don't recall your success with Wales
at both codes, the Lions and Great Britain.
Or could you just be another know-nothing nouveau rugby fan? (Watched a few
games in RWC99, now thinks he's an expert..)
Go away.
Ivan
'You cannot hope to bribe or twist, thank God! the British Journalist,
but seeing what the chap will do, unbribed, there is no reason to..'
Des
JG
> commentation arena
>
As a former player, coach and administrator he tends to tell the truth as he
sees it, consequently he is considered to be "controversial" which makes for
"more interesting" television. The inevitable drawback is that some people
assume that he is arrogant. An additional feature is that he can comment on
both Rugby Union and League with equal validity so he is good value for
money.
As far as his talent is concerned the fact that he is mentioned in the same
breath as Messrs Edwards John, Bennett etc despite having spent the best
part of his career playing League gives an indication of how good he really
was. Do not forget that this man captained Wales in New Zealand. Despite
losing both tests to an aggregate 100 point deficit, Davies was unanimously
voted man of the series (out of both teams by the Kiwi journalists).
One of the problems with NH rugby is that very few people are prepared to go
against the Status Quo. Without respected members of rugby community making
their feelings heard the idiots will continue to chase their tails.
Jonathan Davies may not always be correct in his analyses but at least he
has the balls to call it as he sees it. Compare that to Jerry Guscott who
must now be working with a spin doctor. His comments about England were so
on message that he could have stayed at home for all the value they gave.
Akamoke
>You appear to have missed the point of using Jonathan Davies as a TV pundit.
>As a former player, coach and administrator he tends to tell the truth as he
>sees it, consequently he is considered to be "controversial" which makes for
>"more interesting" television. The inevitable drawback is that some people
>assume that he is arrogant. An additional feature is that he can comment on
>both Rugby Union and League with equal validity so he is good value for
>money.
>
>As far as his talent is concerned the fact that he is mentioned in the same
>breath as Messrs Edwards John, Bennett etc despite having spent the best
>part of his career playing League gives an indication of how good he really
>was. Do not forget that this man captained Wales in New Zealand. Despite
>losing both tests to an aggregate 100 point deficit, Davies was unanimously
>voted man of the series (out of both teams by the Kiwi journalists).
>
>One of the problems with NH rugby is that very few people are prepared to go
>against the Status Quo. Without respected members of rugby community making
>their feelings heard the idiots will continue to chase their tails.
>
>Jonathan Davies may not always be correct in his analyses but at least he
>has the balls to call it as he sees it. Compare that to Jerry Guscott who
>must now be working with a spin doctor. His comments about England were so
>on message that he could have stayed at home for all the value they gave.
>
>
Well I appreciate your clear interpretation of JD's position in the seat of
analyst , i just feel there are more civilized way of making his opinions known
on TV about the game, you are right though, its good for the TV ratings, if
indeed that was the purpose of his being there, i dont doubt he is a great
player, but i dont think he is the greatest Wales have ever produced that his
Ego had to be stroked like that
peace
Akamoke
(Ivanalias) writes:
>
>There's nothing wrong with Jiffy. At least he has been there and done that.
>What right do you have to criticise him? Don't recall your success with Wales
>at both codes, the Lions and Great Britain.
>
i guess we are all entitled to our opinions, i think he's opinionated thats all
there is to say, take it or leave it
>Or could you just be another know-nothing nouveau rugby fan? (Watched a few
>games in RWC99, now thinks he's an expert..)
>
oh yeah, thats exactly what is is, Bozo
>
Go away.
What, you cant take someone criticizing your bumchum, sorry to shock you, i
aint going anywhere, maybe you should disappear
garj...@spamlessglobalnet.co.uk
Ivanalias <ivan...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000221110303...@ng-bj1.aol.com...
> There's nothing wrong with Jiffy. At least he has been there and done
that.
> What right do you have to criticise him? Don't recall your success with
Wales
> at both codes, the Lions and Great Britain.
>
few
> games in RWC99, now thinks he's an expert..)
Apart from the fact that he never played for the Lions I agree totally with
Ivan. Jiffy calls it like it is and that may get up peoples' backs but I
prefer it to bland uninformed comment like we usually get. JD was a
phenomenal player in a crap side, Rob Andrew was a good player in a good
side. Listen and learn from a guy who has been there and done it and isn't
frightened to impart his opinions.
--
Cheers Drive!
Gareth
Ivanalias
>all
>there is to say, take it or leave it
>
>
And you aren't? I think his opinions have a wider audience than yours, eh?
>>Or could you just be another know-nothing nouveau rugby fan? (Watched a few
>>games in RWC99, now thinks he's an expert..)
>>
>
>oh yeah, thats exactly what is is, Bozo
'What is is, Bozo'? What language is this, btw? I'd suggest that a few hours
with a dictionary would at least give you the appearance of sentience.....
>What, you cant take someone criticizing your bumchum, sorry to shock you, i
>aint going anywhere, maybe you should disappear
'bumchum?' Rather out-of-date slang for homosexual partner. I'm not homosexual
(neither is my wife), and I don't think JD is either. Does this outline the
fact that you are, in reality, a know-nothing bigot?
> i
>aint going anywhere
When referring to ones own self, one should capitalize.
> maybe you should disappear
Matter can neither be created nor destroyed. Disappearance is therefore
impossible. If you recall, I did not ask you to disappear - merely to go away.
This request is still current...
David Hefford
so be quiet until u get the chance to commentate on a game
dont have a go at him for saying what he think hes is great and u r jelous
Akamoke wrote in message <20000221060909...@nso-fi.aol.com>...
>Is it just me or is this guy continuing to be an annoying git in the
>commentation arena
>
>
of
>knocking down players, either Welsh (ie vs France) or Italy (vs Wales) is
very
>appauling..
>
>I think the problem is that, since he left for Rugby league and the Welsh
team
>went into a decade of misery, the Welsh have been clamouring for him, they
ve
>made him a demi god and an overrated superstar, so he has developed an over
>inflated ego in the process. I saw a video on the "Welsh greatest players"
or
>such like and you should have heard the crap this guy was spitting,
>"When I went to Rugby league, Rugby union had been the loser becaue it had
been
>deprived of my services"
>
>Even Cliff Morgan, Barry John, and Phil Bennet before him would not sing
their
>praises as he does, I don' t think he was any better than those players in
his
>hey day and its not like Wales were all that successful in his era, one
triple
>crow, even Rob Andrew has a better case to be cocky than he is..
>
really
>love watching the Welsh I just hope he doesnt commentate much and I like
the
>way Bill McLaren subtly shut him up in the Wales vs France game, maybe
thats
>why we had JJ as a commentating sidekick in the Italy game, commentators
need
>not be opinionated and he needs some lessons before he can walk in the
shoes of
>great sidekicks like Gareth Edwards , even Phil Bennet and JJ. Welsh Rugby
can
>do without this guy Jonathan Davies, he may have been a silky player but
hes
>not all that and sometimes he needs to keep his opinions to himself. His
>insinuations that England plays Boring Rugby was also uncalled for last
weekend
>after the news of them beating France came in, whatever misgivings one may
have
>
petier
Hefford <DA...@dhefford.freeserve.co.uk> conjured up the following:-
>i think jhomathan davies just speaks his mind and he is good at doing that
>so be quiet until u get the chance to commentate on a game
>dont have a go at him for saying what he think hes is great and u r jelous
Hey D3WD, how's about cutting us some slack and learning where the caps
lock and full stop keys are? Once you've mastered that come back and
we'll talk about your spellchecka.
--
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David Gallagher
David Hefford wrote in message <88uldq$m43$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>i think jhomathan davies just speaks his mind and he is good at doing that
>so be quiet until u get the chance to commentate on a game
>dont have a go at him for saying what he think hes is great and u r jelous
>
quiet about him. He's hopeless anywhere near the commentary box. He whines
on and on like a bad tabloid newspaper journalist. (No offence to Wales or
welsh supporters. I'm a Yorkshire cricket fan but don't get me started on
Fred Trueman.)
garj...@spamlessglobalnet.co.uk
David Gallagher <da...@ballagher.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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I disagree. I think Jonathan speaks with humour and he's deadly accurate
with predictions (you probably can't see Scrum V on BBC Wales where he makes
them). He does have an element of arrogance but I think it's off-set by the
fact that he's invariably right and really knows what he's talking about.
The easiest route for a commentator is to take the Bill Beaumont or Trevor
Brooking "on the fence" style, I'd rather listen to someone with something
to say.
--
Cheers Drive!
Gareth
David Gallagher
garj...@spamlessmadasafish.com wrote in message ...
>
>
>I disagree. I think Jonathan speaks with humour and he's deadly accurate
>with predictions (you probably can't see Scrum V on BBC Wales where he
makes
>them).
You're right. There isn't an equivalent as far as I can see in England.
He does have an element of arrogance but I think it's off-set by the
>fact that he's invariably right and really knows what he's talking about.
Well if he's INVARIABLY right then fair enough I take it back - but I bet he
isn't. Maybe he talks some sense about the Welsh scene but his comments
about England are obvious and often childish. Either last year or the year
before he was slating England and Grayson in particular for a static game
and how Wilkinson should be at fly half to get the running game going. At
the time, unless he was a regular in the NE, he won't have seen Jonny play
more than once or twice in that position. (Don't get me wrong, JW may be
the man for the number 10 shirt but he couldn't have made a lot of
difference on the day.)
"Knows what he's talking about!" I'm sorry Gareth but much as I respect
yours (and Kev's and Mike's) comments, JD is one Welshman I can't abide. At
times I'm reminded of Fawlty Towers. Name: Johnathan Davies. Specialised
subject: The bleeding obvious. When, during the France match, he said
something like, "I can't understand it. Wales don't seem to REALISE that
they can't afford to make so many mistakes." I was shouting at the tele that
they ought to get the message on from the bench or something.
>The easiest route for a commentator is to take the Bill Beaumont or Trevor
>Brooking "on the fence" style, I'd rather listen to someone with something
>to say.
>--
>Agreed. Which is why I chose Fred rather than Geoffrey in my earlier
comment. (Whilst I can't stand the man at least Boycott says something
worth hearing.) But I want to hear someone with something to add (ie. point
something out that I would otherwise miss). Failing that humour is good. I
thought Martin Bayfield was hilarious during the Saints - Grenoble match on
British Eurosport (alongside the Irish commentator whose name I can never
remember but who I think we both agree is very good).
garj...@spamlessglobalnet.co.uk
>
> garj...@spamlessmadasafish.com wrote in message ...
> >
> >
> >I disagree. I think Jonathan speaks with humour and he's deadly accurate
> >with predictions (you probably can't see Scrum V on BBC Wales where he
> makes
> >them).
>
> You're right. There isn't an equivalent as far as I can see in England.
>
> He does have an element of arrogance but I think it's off-set by the
> >fact that he's invariably right and really knows what he's talking about.
>
> Well if he's INVARIABLY right then fair enough I take it back - but I bet
he
> isn't. Maybe he talks some sense about the Welsh scene but his comments
> about England are obvious and often childish. Either last year or the
year
> before he was slating England and Grayson in particular for a static game
> and how Wilkinson should be at fly half to get the running game going. At
> the time, unless he was a regular in the NE, he won't have seen Jonny play
> more than once or twice in that position. (Don't get me wrong, JW may be
> the man for the number 10 shirt but he couldn't have made a lot of
> difference on the day.)
Well I don't know - Grayson is pretty static. Remember every club match is
filmed nowadays - I've never been to Newcastle in my life but I've sure seen
them play a few games.
>
> "Knows what he's talking about!" I'm sorry Gareth but much as I respect
> yours (and Kev's and Mike's) comments, JD is one Welshman I can't abide.
At
> times I'm reminded of Fawlty Towers. Name: Johnathan Davies. Specialised
> subject: The bleeding obvious. When, during the France match, he said
> something like, "I can't understand it. Wales don't seem to REALISE that
> they can't afford to make so many mistakes." I was shouting at the tele
that
> they ought to get the message on from the bench or something.
Fair enough there's rarely unanimity on commentators. I quite like Stuart
Barnes as well but loads of people hate him. My pet hate is bothering to ask
players too close to the teams, where everything is so one-sided and
'mission statement'. Bracken and Guscott make me cringe at times - sure
they're big stars for the telly but impartial is hardly the word! If England
or Wales are crap then at least you know that Barnes and Davies will tell
you so.
>
> >The easiest route for a commentator is to take the Bill Beaumont or
Trevor
> >Brooking "on the fence" style, I'd rather listen to someone with
something
> >to say.
> >--
> >Agreed. Which is why I chose Fred rather than Geoffrey in my earlier
> comment. (Whilst I can't stand the man at least Boycott says something
> worth hearing.) But I want to hear someone with something to add (ie.
point
> something out that I would otherwise miss). Failing that humour is good.
I
> thought Martin Bayfield was hilarious during the Saints - Grenoble match
on
> British Eurosport (alongside the Irish commentator whose name I can never
> remember but who I think we both agree is very good).
Mark Robson I think, and yes he is good - along with Bayfield and Gwyn Jones
they've managed to get a good little team there on their obviously fairly
modest budget.
--
Cheers Drive!
Gareth
>
>
>
garj...@spamlessglobalnet.co.uk
Tom Joyce <t.m....@dunelm.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Also sprach "garj...@spamlessmadasafish.com"
> <garj...@spamlessglobalnet.co.uk>:
>
> }Fair enough there's rarely unanimity on commentators. I quite like Stuart
> }Barnes as well
>
>
> } but loads of people hate him.
>
> watching last weekend's games... *everyone* slgging Barnes off and
> appreciating Bill Mclaren - particularly his insistance on refering to
> various members of the Scottish team as "the New Zealander <name>".
I'll never disagree that Bill is the finest commentator in ANY sport on
British TV. However he does have a different job in reality. Barnes and
Davies do what the Americans call 'color' commentary, the main commentator
gives the facts while the sidekick gives the opinion.
--
Cheers Drive!
Gareth
nickli...@gmail.com
BrritSki
> On Monday, 21 February 2000 08:00:00 UTC, Akamoke wrote:
>> Is it just me or is this guy continuing to be an annoying git in the
>> commentation arena
I agree with you entirely, plus his whiney voice is increasingly
irritating. I used to think he was good as an analyst at half time, but
as a commentator he's awful.
Eddie Butler - not Bill McLaren who'd be much quieter :) - and Brian
Moore are not much better either having snide little digs at each other
and also talking over what were probably interesting discussions between
the ref and TMO.
ITV team are MUCH better. I particularly like the inclusion of Maggie
Alphonso as an analyst, good to see such a good (disabled !) player and
interesting broadcaster. As are Wilko and SCW - so much insight and good
sense.
John Williams
wrote:
>On Monday, 21 February 2000 08:00:00 UTC, Akamoke wrote:
>> His commentating for BBC, almost turns me off watching Welsh games, I really
>> love watching the Welsh I just hope he doesnt commentate much and I like the
>> way Bill McLaren subtly shut him up in the Wales vs France game, maybe thats
>> why we had JJ as a commentating sidekick in the Italy game, commentators need
>> not be opinionated and he needs some lessons before he can walk in the shoes of
>> great sidekicks like Gareth Edwards , even Phil Bennet and JJ.
16 years later and JD is still very squeaky. Eddie Butler seems to be
getting more and more partisan when commentating on Wales games. Last
night in the dire game v France you'd have thought only one team was
on the field for most of the game when in fact there were two half
teams on all fixture. Bah, I'm getting old and man flu doesn't help.
--
All the best
John Williams
earldu...@hotmail.co.uk
Peter J Ross
wrote:
> On 26/02/2016 21:55, nickli...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, 21 February 2000 08:00:00 UTC, Akamoke wrote:
>>> Is it just me or is this guy continuing to be an annoying git in the
>>> commentation arena
>
> <snip much good sense>
>
> I agree with you entirely, plus his whiney voice is increasingly
> irritating. I used to think he was good as an analyst at half time, but
> as a commentator he's awful.
to SHOUT ALL THE TIME.
> Eddie Butler - not Bill McLaren who'd be much quieter :) - and Brian
> Moore are not much better either having snide little digs at each other
> and also talking over what were probably interesting discussions between
> the ref and TMO.
hearing, but *not* when they're supposed to be elucidating a game in
progress.
> ITV team are MUCH better. I particularly like the inclusion of Maggie
> Alphonso as an analyst, good to see such a good (disabled !) player and
> interesting broadcaster. As are Wilko and SCW - so much insight and good
> sense.
the early matches of the RWC. Ditching Una Paloma Blanca or whatever
her name is has helped. All they need to do now is to schedule their
commercial breaks for the times when certain superannuated Knights of
the Realm are droning on, instead of during the tense moments between
the anthems and the start of play.
Having said all that, at least Brian Moore brings an ability to
explain the mysteries of the scrum. Laurence Dallaglio and Gordon
D'Arcy today were clearly as mystified as I was, if not more so.
--
PJR :-)
τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
earldu...@hotmail.co.uk
Peter J Ross
> On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 12:55:42 -0800 (PST), nickli...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, 21 February 2000 08:00:00 UTC, Akamoke wrote:
>
>>> His commentating for BBC, almost turns me off watching Welsh
>>> games, I really love watching the Welsh I just hope he doesnt
>>> commentate much and I like the way Bill McLaren subtly shut him up
>>> in the Wales vs France game, maybe thats why we had JJ as a
>>> commentating sidekick in the Italy game, commentators need not be
>>> opinionated and he needs some lessons before he can walk in the
>>> shoes of great sidekicks like Gareth Edwards , even Phil Bennet
>>> and JJ.
>
> Ahh Bill, how you are missed.
competence isn't too much to ask of people who are paid to be
competent broadcasters.
> 16 years later and JD is still very squeaky. Eddie Butler seems to
> be getting more and more partisan when commentating on Wales games.
> Last night in the dire game v France you'd have thought only one
> team was on the field for most of the game when in fact there were
> two half teams on all fixture.
Scotland. It's monstrously unfair!
You and I disagreed about the merits of France two or three weeks ago.
I think you'll now have to concede that France are utter rubbish.
However, Wales somehow succeeded in making France look good during
much of last night's game.
> Bah, I'm getting old and man flu doesn't help.
newsgroup.
Get well soon.
Peter J Ross
> Talking of scrums, is the Earl correct in thinking that it is a
> props fault if the opposing flyhalf pulls his hand off the bind and
> the scrum collapses?
But are you absolutely sure that it was the fly-half who was dropping
his bind, not the full-back?