Roger Randle's case on Holmes.
David Covey
Glenn Jennings wrote:
> In the end the most we can say about Mr Randle is that we are not sure if he
> did anything or not. We are however a bit suspicious about his semen being on
> her clothes when he claims nothing happened.
Fair suck of the sav Glenn! Everybody knows 99& of rape victims
are asking for it! Particularly if she's wearing a mini-skirt
or is under 16. Ask any British Judge...
In the meantime... WELEASE WOGER WANDLE!
Doubting Dave
Tracey Nelson
In article <33EA3B94...@aristotl.auckland.ac.nz>,
Tony Elson <a...@aristotl.auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
>J wrote:
>> It's a fact of life that when rugby teams go touring - at home or
>> abroad
>> - the players chase the local skirt.
> The rest of the team has had to
>suffer. I bet there has been some serious words spoken to the whole
>team, and especially to those players involved.
As a direct result of what happened in South Africa, for the rest of the Super
12 season the Wellington Hurricanes players had a complete alcohol ban
imposed by their management - ie. from the time they came together as a squad
before a game until they disbanded afterwards, there was no alcohol consumed,
not even at their post match celebrations.
Tracey.
Rick Boyd
Damon Setterington wrote:
> I missed Holmes last night but someone told me that
> there was
> new evidence in his rape case in South Africa. Can someone tell me if
> the new
> evidence makes him guilty or not.
According to the lengthy article in Rugby News Today, the new evidence
consists solely of the testimony of the woman and a policeman called
Chetty. It goes like this:
The woman went back to the hotel room with Randle and Leavasa. She says
they were all drinking but while later tests showed she had been
drinking heavily there were no traces of alcohol in Randle. She blacked
out and claims she was drugged, but tests found no traces of drugs in
her system. Pissed as a rat more like and rooted everything she could
get her hands on. She says she woke up with blood running down her leg
and started screaming. She can't remember anything so how in the hell
they were going to build a rape case on her testimony I have no idea.
Police found semen from three men on the sheets and her hotpants but
none inside her. The rape is looking real solid so far. A doctor said
her injuries (bruises and internal tears) were consistent with rape, but
a walloping good root would probably have exactly the same affect.
What a pity the case did not proceed to court. Any half decent defence
attorney would have shot her case so full of holes the judge would have
laughed her out of the courtroom.
The police say they dropped her case because she was an unreliable
witness because of her mental state.
And that says it all.
- Rick Boyd
Glenn Jennings
In article <33E93695...@worksafe.wa.gov.au>, bo...@worksafe.wa.gov.au
says...
>
>According to the lengthy article in Rugby News Today, the new evidence
>consists solely of the testimony of the woman and a policeman called
>Chetty. It goes like this:
>
>The woman went back to the hotel room with Randle and Leavasa. She says
>they were all drinking but while later tests showed she had been
>drinking heavily there were no traces of alcohol in Randle. She blacked
>out and claims she was drugged, but tests found no traces of drugs in
So it was ok if she was drunk and he was sober.
>her system. Pissed as a rat more like and rooted everything she could
>get her hands on. She says she woke up with blood running down her leg
>and started screaming. She can't remember anything so how in the hell
>they were going to build a rape case on her testimony I have no idea.
>
>Police found semen from three men on the sheets and her hotpants but
>none inside her. The rape is looking real solid so far. A doctor said
Ah, so rape is only if you ejaculate inside the person. Obviously it is not
possible that Mr Randle decided to withdraw and reduce the chance of an
unwanted child. Maybe he was in fact totally sober and thinking straight.
>her injuries (bruises and internal tears) were consistent with rape, but
>a walloping good root would probably have exactly the same affect.
Surely you jest!
>What a pity the case did not proceed to court. Any half decent defence
>attorney would have shot her case so full of holes the judge would have
>laughed her out of the courtroom.
He would have struggled with the fact that Randle in his statement said that
the only time he touched her was when he held her hand at the nightclub and
yet DNA tests matched his semen on her hotpants.
>The police say they dropped her case because she was an unreliable
>witness because of her mental state.
If she had been gang raped then wouldn't her mental state be a bit shakey.
>
>And that says it all.
You are so right!
In the end the most we can say about Mr Randle is that we are not sure if he
did anything or not. We are however a bit suspicious about his semen being on
her clothes when he claims nothing happened.
Of course as Daryl says "<sigh> A jury, having heard and assessed all of the
evidence, decides if he's guilty" and as it did not go to court we will not
know if he is guilty or not .... unlike OJ Simpson, who we all now know did
not kill his girlfriend.
Glenn
J
Tony Elson wrote:
>
> J wrote:
>
> > ----------
> > It's a fact of life that when rugby teams go touring - at home or
> > abroad
> > these
> > guys were no better or worse than virtually any players who have gone
> > anywhere.
>
> Thats a fact of life in the "old" world. We live in times where
> communication is sophisticated enough to make the world a very small
> place as epotimised by that wanker Holmes. We don't know whether rape
> occurred or not. I am not apologising for that woman in SA for her
> behaviour either, but I am sick of all the apologists for Randle. He
> deserves the shit thats coming his way. Unfortunately, his family
> doesn't - which is my whole point. The rest of the team has had to
> suffer. I bet there has been some serious words spoken to the whole
> team, and especially to those players involved.
>
> same. Thats true, but they showed a distinct lack of maturity and
> general nouse. You can't keep a lid on things like the old days -
> tabloid reporting etc.
-----------
So you are saying sex is off the menu when teams go abroad? Some hope.
choccy
[castrated]
>
> Also she thought she was rooting Lonah too. From other reports she
> sounds like a bit of a root bag, out for a good time. She got what she
> asked for.
>
> Regards
>
> Mailman
>
>
>
No one ever asks to be assaulted and raped. And before anyone
starts with the 'noone proved she was line' that's not the point of
this posting.
I'm not saying that she was raped but frankly
I find the attitude you just showed above appauling.
I hope you can explain this to attitude you your mum or sister or lover
better
than you did here.
Fuckwit
H
Daryl
Mailman <bga...@manawatu.gen.nz> wrote in article
<5sf1m3$t...@news.manawatu.gen.nz>...
(snip)
> Also she thought she was rooting Lonah too. From other reports she
> sounds like a bit of a root bag, out for a good time. She got what she
> asked for.
It's good to see that NZers still retain a healthy respect for members of
the opposite sex in trying circumstances...
cheers
Daryl
J
Tony Elson wrote:
>
> Rick Boyd wrote: What a pity the case did not proceed to court. Any half
> decent defence
>
> > attorney would have shot her case so full of holes the judge would
> > have
> > laughed her out of the courtroom.
> >
> > witness because of her mental state.
> >
> >
>
> Aside from what you have written (whether those are the facts or
> not), there are now some serious repercussions for rugby in NZ imo.
> Specifically for the Hurricanes. The whole affair is bloody sleazy and
> those Hurricane guys are bloody stupid for putting themselves and their
> team in this situation.
>
> Whether this woman is telling the truth or not, it still sounds like she
> may have been roughed up a little (but we don't really know the
> circumstances). I think Randle is a complete fuckwit, who jeapordised
> his career, his family and the Wellington Hurricanes, not to mention NZ
> rugby altogether.
>
> I'll bet that next years away matches to SA will not include Randle or
> Leavasa in the team. In fact, if I was part of the management, they
> wouldn't be in the team.
Mailman
>I'll bet that next years away matches to SA will not include Randle or
>Leavasa in the team. In fact, if I was part of the management, they
>wouldn't be in the team.
Why? Because some woman comes up to you and claims that a player in
your team raped her yet she cant identify which player it was?
Also she thought she was rooting Lonah too. From other reports she
sounds like a bit of a root bag, out for a good time. She got what she
asked for.
Regards
Mailman
Rob Wallace
Tony Elson wrote:
>
> Whether this woman is telling the truth or not, it still sounds like she
> may have been roughed up a little (but we don't really know the
> circumstances). I think Randle is a complete fuckwit, who jeapordised
> his career, his family and the Wellington Hurricanes, not to mention NZ
> rugby altogether.
>
fuckwit.
J
Daryl wrote:
>
> Mailman <bga...@manawatu.gen.nz> wrote in article
> <5sf1m3$t...@news.manawatu.gen.nz>...
>
> (snip)
>
> > sounds like a bit of a root bag, out for a good time. She got what she
> > asked for.
>
> the opposite sex in trying circumstances...
>
> cheers
>
> Daryl
It's funny how an entire people can pick up a particular label on the
strength of one or two postings. To set the record straight...Some Kiwis
don't follow rugby, we're not all sheep farmers and some of us are as
repelled by rape as anyone else.
Mailman
>> Also she thought she was rooting Lonah too. From other reports she
>> sounds like a bit of a root bag, out for a good time. She got what she
>> asked for.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Mailman
>>
>>
>>
>No one ever asks to be assaulted and raped. And before anyone
>starts with the 'noone proved she was line' that's not the point of
>this posting.
> I'm not saying that she was raped but frankly
>I find the attitude you just showed above appauling.
The only thing appaling is that this woman has accused someone of
raping her when the person she was shagged by was his room mate and
yet no one has said that she shouldnt have accused an innocent man of
rape.
What your saying is that its ok to go around and accuse people of rap
that never rapped you. That kind of behaviour is acceptable yet she
very nearly ended his rugby career, and no doubt his relationship with
his wife.
If she was so sure that Randel rapped her she should have continued
with her complaint but instead we see that she was all crap and that
she wasnt actually rapped by Randel. Hell she cant even remember who
the hell she was rooting at the time!!!!
>Fuckwit
Hahahaahahahahahaha, and what are you?
Regards
Mailman
choccy
Well Fuckwit, if you bothered to read the post properly you should have
picked up that I wasn't actually commenting about the case at all, just
your idiotic and stupid idea that women asked to be assaulted and raped.
Go back to your sheep until you can learn to read
H
rick boyd
Mailman wrote:
> What your saying is that its ok to go around and accuse people of rap
> that never rapped you. That kind of behaviour is acceptable yet she
> very nearly ended his rugby career, and no doubt his relationship with
> his wife.
Yes, I quite agree. This rapping has got to stop. Bloody annoying,
especially when I hear it on the radio. You'd think these people who
have to talk their lyrics obviously don't have enough talent to sing and
shouldn't be allowed to make records.
No wonder this woman in SA tried to prosecute Roger Randle. Being rapped
in a hotel room at that hour of the morning would have been bloody
annoying, especially when you were expected a damn good shagging.
Roger probably said:
"Get your funky thing offa the floor
Then get your sorry ass outa the door
I'm a good homeboy an' I don't mess around
So get your funky thing offa the ground
Get your white ass outa the door
I ain't doin' it with no Japie whore
My Kiwi homegirl is waitin' for me
So I ain't doin' it even for free!"
No wonder she was pissed off.
- Rick Boyd
Perth-Bayswater Rugby Union Football Club, Western Australia
club homepage: http://www.wt.com.au/~boyd/index.htm
Daryl
J <jet...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in article <33EE01...@ihug.co.nz>...
> Daryl wrote:
> >
> > Mailman <bga...@manawatu.gen.nz> wrote in article
> > <5sf1m3$t...@news.manawatu.gen.nz>...
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> > > Also she thought she was rooting Lonah too. From other reports she
> > > sounds like a bit of a root bag, out for a good time. She got what
she
> > > asked for.
> >
> > It's good to see that NZers still retain a healthy respect for members
of
> > the opposite sex in trying circumstances...
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > Daryl
> ------------
>
> It's funny how an entire people can pick up a particular label on the
> strength of one or two postings. To set the record straight...Some Kiwis
> don't follow rugby, we're not all sheep farmers and some of us are as
> repelled by rape as anyone else.
>
Yes, not all Welshmen sing in choirs, play rugby, shag sheep or see a
decent Wales result as a new dawn...
...irritating, isn't it? ;-)
cheers
Daryl
choccy
>
> It's funny how an entire people can pick up a particular label on the
> strength of one or two postings. To set the record straight...Some Kiwis
> don't follow rugby, we're not all sheep farmers and some of us are as
> repelled by rape as anyone else.
>
I suggest you read Mailman's comments on the subject then.
H
Daryl
Mailman <bga...@manawatu.gen.nz> wrote in article
<5shf2d$c...@news.manawatu.gen.nz>...
(snip *speculation* for and against)
I suggest that if you know the *facts* of this case that you let the rest
of us into the secret. Maybe then you can appear as the chief prosecution
witness...
...if not, then like everyone else on this group you have
absolutely no idea who is innocent and who is guilty in this whole sorry
mess. Before you make anymore useless statements of fact I suggest you look
up the meaning of the word "respect"
cheers
Daryl
Koos
On Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:00:31 -0700, J <jet...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
<<>It's funny how an entire people can pick up a particular label on
the
>strength of one or two postings. To set the record straight...Some Kiwis
>don't follow rugby, we're not all sheep farmers and some of us are as
>repelled by rape as anyone else.>>
Now why does this sort of paragraph sound so familiar?
...allmost as if I read it in the past - but coming from the SA side
then...?
Roger Conway
rick boyd wrote in article <33ED86...@wt.com.au>...
>Roger probably said:
>
>"Get your funky thing offa the floor
>Then get your sorry ass outa the door
>I'm a good homeboy an' I don't mess around
>So get your funky thing offa the ground
>
>Get your white ass outa the door
>I ain't doin' it with no Japie whore
>My Kiwi homegirl is waitin' for me
>So I ain't doin' it even for free!"
>
>No wonder she was pissed off.
>
>- Rick Boyd
Brilliant!!! You are next in line for a White Merceedes Limo, white suit,
gold jewelery, (including one front tooth) and an exclusive right to go
round saying YO YA MOMMA before being shot dead in a drive-by by some one
with jeans so baggy they house a family of Pakistanies.
I am impressed!
Tony Elson
Mailman wrote:
> >I'll bet that next years away matches to SA will not include Randle
> or
> >Leavasa in the team. In fact, if I was part of the management, they
> >wouldn't be in the team.
>
> Why? Because some woman comes up to you and claims that a player in
> your team raped her yet she cant identify which player it was?
From the reports it sounds like she was a bit under the weather.
>
>
> Also she thought she was rooting Lonah too. From other reports she
> sounds like a bit of a root bag, out for a good time. She got what she
>
> asked for.
A woman who is drunk and out for a good time is not asking for rape.
You don't know that facts and neither do I, and the same can be said for
most on this ng.
That she thought she was "rooting" Jonah is innuendo. To suggest she
asked for it shows what a complete dick head you are.
I am not taking hers or anyone elses side. I just think Randle and his
mates are idiots for putting themselves and their team in a nasty
situation. In this day and age, you can't hide the antics that went on
in the old days.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Mailman
choccy
> "Get your funky thing offa the floor
> Then get your sorry ass outa the door
> I'm a good homeboy an' I don't mess around
> So get your funky thing offa the ground
>
> Get your white ass outa the door
> I ain't doin' it with no Japie whore
> My Kiwi homegirl is waitin' for me
> So I ain't doin' it even for free!"
>
Have you considered becoming a lyricist for Michael Jackson, I understand
he is looking for some new material :)
H
J
Is that an inference I label people? I don't think I do. In the past I
have argued that SA players shouldn't be labelled as dirtier than those
from elsewhere. I don't believe in such generalistions.
Mailman
>Well Fuckwit, if you bothered to read the post properly you should have
>picked up that I wasn't actually commenting about the case at all, just
>your idiotic and stupid idea that women asked to be assaulted and raped.
Well then, if you werent commenting about the case then what are you
doing? Your certainly not adding anything constructive to the
discussion.
Its a fact that she is a root bag that thought she had scored Lomu but
when she woke up in the morning suddenly realising that Lomu wasnt
anywhere near SA all she could do to save face was to scream rape and
poor old Randle just happen to be in the hotel room when she started
her bullshit case.
Lets cut the crap, this SA root bag lied to the police about being
raped, because of here false allegations she unfairly painted Randle
as a rapist (which is something that he will have to live with for the
rest of his life).
However in the end she tells the police that she no longer wishes to
persue criminal charges of rap against Randle, why? Because she knows
that she wasnt raped thats why.
But not being content with letting the game go suddenly a couple of
days after Randles WEDDING she once again pops her ugly little head in
to his life by continueing with her baseless, scurriless lies of being
raped by Randle. Coincidental that she should raise the spectre of
rape so soon after Randles wedding isnt it.
In the end this SA root bag deserves everything she gets, christ even
her ex partner knew her as a root bag and told the police so as well.
>Go back to your sheep until you can learn to read
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!
Regards, as always
Mailman
Colin Francis
bga...@voyager.co.nz (Mailman) wrote:
Sounds like you know her well..
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Koos
<<< She got what she
>>
>> asked for.
>
>A woman who is drunk and out for a good time is not asking for rape.
>You don't know that facts and neither do I, and the same can be said for
>most on this ng.
>
>That she thought she was "rooting" Jonah is innuendo. To suggest she
>asked for it shows what a complete dick head you are.
>
>I am not taking hers or anyone elses side. I just think Randle and his
>mates are idiots for putting themselves and their team in a nasty
>situation. In this day and age, you can't hide the antics that went on
>in the old days.>>
Yes.
I wonder if the guy realises what is locked up in that <<< She got
what she asked for.>>
Mailman
>I suggest that if you know the *facts* of this case that you let the rest
>of us into the secret. Maybe then you can appear as the chief prosecution
>witness...
I do, and I would appear as the chief defence witness. No favours for
a SA hussy!!
Regards
Mailman
Tony Elson
Koos wrote:
>
>
> Yes.
> I wonder if the guy realises what is locked up in that <<< She got
> what she asked for.>>
The guy that posted this Koos is just a complete idiot. He is just
stirring for a bit of idiotic fun. He knows it , but can't help it.
Mark Ogden
Why do NZer rugby players eyes' water when they make love?
Mace!