canterbury all time greats
Kelvyn Stevens
best ever,greatest rugby team !!consider the Ranfurly
shield, super 12 record and now having
defeated the Irish,Fiji and halfway to
re-claiming the Bledisloe Cup surely
they are up there with the best !
matt
u got to think back 10 years when auckland was in this postion.
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Wild Colonial Boy
Yes they are and don't call me Shirley!
WCB
Peter Ashford
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It's a pretty bloody good team, there's no doubt about that. While I don't
agree that they're all AB quality, it's pretty damn close.
I wonder how this team would have gone against the might Aucks in their
heyday?
Peter.
Stephen Doyle
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They would be creamed.
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Kip
<st...@dmsystems.co.nz> wrote:
>> I wonder how this team would have gone against the might Aucks in their
>> heyday?
>>
>> Peter.
>
>They would be creamed.
Not really fair, it would be professionals playing amateurs.
Peter Ashford
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Well, the other problem with the comparison is that the rules of the game
have changed significantly enough for tactics which the teams excell at to
not transfer too well into the other's era.
Wild Colonial Boy
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Rugby has moved on since the heyday of the Aucks. The current
Canterbury team would win.
WCB
Gary Thompson
the crusaders now .
FRONT ROW
Drake Fitzpatrick Mcdowell vs Sommerville Hammet Hewitt
pretty much a clear win to the Aucks - Sommerville the only player allowed
to carry the boots of the Auckland front row.
LOCKS
Whetton&? vs Jack&Maxwell
Crusaders win here
LOOSIES
Whetton, Jones and Brooke vs Thorne, McCaw and Roberston
Another clear win the the blues with whetton and Thorne canceling each other
out and the Brooke and Robertson on another level (although Mccaw looks to
be making the step up)
Half back
Kirk vs Marshall - a marsahll in his prime would have beaten Kirk but seeing
that was 3-4 years ago I'll pick Kirk but probably pretty even.
Ist Five
Fox vs Merts - Merts offers a bit more on attack 9but different games then
and now) on bablance probably even
2nd Five
can't for the life of me remember who the Auck guy was so i'll give Mauger
the nod here
Center
Joe vs Robertson
Smoking Joe by a lot
Right Wing
Kirwin and Wright vs Vanibuka & Ralph
Kirwin on a different level than the two Crusaders gives the Auckland team
this matchup. Wright vs Ralph - the former a better attacker the latter gets
the nod in defence.
Who the hell was the Auckland fullback - I know Wright covered there in some
games I give this match up to the Crusaders
So all in all the Auck pack out muscles the Crusaders - mid fields basically
cancel each other out and the Aucklanders have the better attack out wide.
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Mr Scebe
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<snip>
> LOCKS
> Whetton&? vs Jack&Maxwell
>
> Crusaders win here
>
> LOOSIES
> Whetton, Jones and Brooke vs Thorne, McCaw and Roberston
>
> Another clear win the the blues with whetton and Thorne canceling each
other
> out and the Brooke and Robertson on another level (although Mccaw looks to
> be making the step up)
You're quite happy to mix your teams, and include players from the 90's side
when it suits. In the 80's the side included the Uni No8 (Harvey?) who was a
rugged player, but lacking in some skills. It would be closer than you
think, if you were more discriminating in your selections.
> Half back
> Kirk vs Marshall - a marsahll in his prime would have beaten Kirk but
seeing
> that was 3-4 years ago I'll pick Kirk but probably pretty even.
Kirk didn't play that much. You obviously wanted to forget Jason Hewett.
I'll give it to Marshall, for his longevity as a top player.
> Ist Five
> Fox vs Merts - Merts offers a bit more on attack 9but different games then
> and now) on bablance probably even
Give it a bone. Mehrts is better, and even Fox admits as much.
> 2nd Five
> can't for the life of me remember who the Auck guy was so i'll give Mauger
> the nod here
MacCahill, Sherlock or Stensness (or are you picking purely from the 80's?),
take your pick. None of them has anything like the potential that Mauger
has.
> Center
> Joe vs Robertson
> Smoking Joe by a lot
His name is Robinson, and you would be surprised how close this is. Joe
couldn't even get in the Auckland side for years, as he was so
one-dimensional. Robbo offers much higher skills levels at the same
respective point in their careers.
> Right Wing
> Kirwin and Wright vs Vanibuka & Ralph
>
> Kirwin on a different level than the two Crusaders gives the Auckland team
> this matchup. Wright vs Ralph - the former a better attacker the latter
gets
> the nod in defence.
Terry Wright punched well above his weight in defence, but would be shown up
by the *huge* (comparatively) wings of today. Shame, but that's the way it
is.
> Who the hell was the Auckland fullback - I know Wright covered there in
some
> games I give this match up to the Crusaders
Can't recall, but i will surely go "of course" when someone comes up with
it.
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Mr Scebe
Losers always whine about their 'best'.
Winners go home and fuck the prom queen".
~Sean Connery in "The Rock"
Bobs
TEAM. A very good one, but just a team of hard men who knuckle down and do their
shit. Man per man they aren't that great really. Most of them wouldn't even be
fit to lay eyes on the great Auckland team that held the shield 63 times and won
4 straight NPC's and was the backbone of the best AB team to ever set foot on
this planet.
Now obviously players like Fox would get spanked in todays game. Why? Because
it's totally different. But in their era the Auckland team was far more
impressive than the Cuntab team of this era who came 10th place in the 2001 S12,
have only won a couple of NPC's in the last five years, and are a backbone of a
rather average AB team.
Auckland 1987-1990. The best provincial team in NZ history. Second best is
Auckland 93-96. Third best is a toss up between the Hawkes Bay team of the 60's
or this Cunterbury team.
Bank that you one eyed rectum assassin.
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"Where did all these fucking Indians come from?" General Custer.
"Where the fuck is all this water coming from?" Captain of the Titanic.
"That's not a real fucking gun." John Lennon.
"Who's gonna fucking find out?" Richard Nixon.
"Heads are going to fucking roll." Anne Boleyn.
"Let the fucking woman drive." Commander of the Challenger.
"Any fucking idiot could understand that." Albert Einstein.
"It does so fucking look like her!" Picasso.
"How the fuck did you work that out?" Pythagoras.
"You want what on the fucking ceiling?" Michelangelo.
"Fuck the duck." Walt Disney.
"Why? Because it's fucking there!" Edmund Hilary.
"I don't suppose its gonna fucking rain?" Joan of Arc.
"Scattered fucking showers my ass." Noah.
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> "Gary Thompson" <gary_th...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> <snip>
>
> > LOCKS
> > Whetton&? vs Jack&Maxwell
It depends which part of the 80s you are referring to. In Hart's
Auckland team the "other" lock is Haden. Love him or hate him, he was
voted in the all-time AB team a few years back. For the latter part it
was Marty Brooke IIRC.
> > Crusaders win here
Even at best.
> > LOOSIES
> > Whetton, Jones and Brooke vs Thorne, McCaw and Roberston
> >
> > Another clear win the the blues with whetton and Thorne canceling each
> > other out and the Brooke and Robertson on another level (although Mccaw
> > looks to be making the step up)
>
> You're quite happy to mix your teams, and include players from the 90's
> side when it suits.
Brooke-Cowden would have been the no.7 I think for most of the mid 80s
until MJ arrived.
> In the 80's the side included the Uni No8 (Harvey?) who was a
> rugged player, but lacking in some skills. It would be closer than you
> think, if you were more discriminating in your selections.
Of course, they had Buck on the bench at some stage. I think Rich was
in the mix too as the no.8.
> > 2nd Five
> > can't for the life of me remember who the Auck guy was so i'll give
> > Mauger the nod here
>
> MacCahill, Sherlock or Stensness (or are you picking purely from the
> 80's?),
Even Pokere for a season or two.
> take your pick. None of them has anything like the potential that Mauger
> has.
Which is irrelevant in such a comparison. Sherlock was the main 2nd 5 -
a player who was more known for his defence before he went to RL. Nod
to Mauger.
> > Center
> > Joe vs Robertson
> > Smoking Joe by a lot
>
> His name is Robinson, and you would be surprised how close this is. Joe
> couldn't even get in the Auckland side for years, as he was so
> one-dimensional. Robbo offers much higher skills levels at the same
> respective point in their careers.
I'd still take Stanley in this matchup.
> > Right Wing
> > Kirwin and Wright vs Vanibuka & Ralph
> >
> > Kirwin on a different level than the two Crusaders gives the Auckland
> > team this matchup. Wright vs Ralph - the former a better attacker the
> > latter gets the nod in defence.
>
> Terry Wright punched well above his weight in defence, but would be shown
> up by the *huge* (comparatively) wings of today. Shame, but that's the way
> it is.
True but Wright was a smart player. Not sure when Inga made his debut.
> > Who the hell was the Auckland fullback - I know Wright covered there in
> > some games I give this match up to the Crusaders
>
> Can't recall, but i will surely go "of course" when someone comes up with
> it.
Lindsay Harris. Probably unlucky not to make the ABs during his career.
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BrentC
>Scebe, I always love your revisionist posts. This Cuntab team is just that. A
>TEAM. A very good one, but just a team of hard men who knuckle down and do their
>shit. Man per man they aren't that great really. Most of them wouldn't even be
>fit to lay eyes on the great Auckland team that held the shield 63 times and won
>4 straight NPC's and was the backbone of the best AB team to ever set foot on
>this planet.
>
>Now obviously players like Fox would get spanked in todays game. Why? Because
>it's totally different. But in their era the Auckland team was far more
>impressive than the Cuntab team of this era who came 10th place in the 2001 S12,
>have only won a couple of NPC's in the last five years, and are a backbone of a
>rather average AB team.
>
>Auckland 1987-1990. The best provincial team in NZ history. Second best is
>Auckland 93-96. Third best is a toss up between the Hawkes Bay team of the 60's
>or this Cunterbury team.
>
>Bank that you one eyed rectum assassin.
>
Keep taking the pills, Bobs :)
I hope the Greens candidate gets in out west.
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Mr Scebe
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Glenn Rich it was - i'm sure he was the Uni captain as well. I was thinking
Alwyn Harvey, but not sure why now. Oh well.
> > > 2nd Five
> > > can't for the life of me remember who the Auck guy was so i'll give
> > > Mauger the nod here
> >
> > MacCahill, Sherlock or Stensness (or are you picking purely from the
> > 80's?),
>
> Even Pokere for a season or two.
>
> > take your pick. None of them has anything like the potential that Mauger
> > has.
>
> Which is irrelevant in such a comparison. Sherlock was the main 2nd 5 -
> a player who was more known for his defence before he went to RL. Nod
> to Mauger.
> > > Center
> > > Joe vs Robertson
> > > Smoking Joe by a lot
> >
> > His name is Robinson, and you would be surprised how close this is. Joe
> > couldn't even get in the Auckland side for years, as he was so
> > one-dimensional. Robbo offers much higher skills levels at the same
> > respective point in their careers.
>
> I'd still take Stanley in this matchup.
And i'd still say that you're being harsh given the relative ages of the
combatants. I am sure that by the time Robinson gets to 30 or so he will be
seen as a top centre, whereas Stanley had to shake off the moniker of
"crash-ball" at that age.
> > > Right Wing
> > > Kirwin and Wright vs Vanibuka & Ralph
> > >
> > > Kirwin on a different level than the two Crusaders gives the Auckland
> > > team this matchup. Wright vs Ralph - the former a better attacker the
> > > latter gets the nod in defence.
> >
> > Terry Wright punched well above his weight in defence, but would be
shown
> > up by the *huge* (comparatively) wings of today. Shame, but that's the
way
> > it is.
>
> True but Wright was a smart player. Not sure when Inga made his debut.
He was also very fast, and would probably still run round his man today. I
thought Inga came in about 88.
> > > Who the hell was the Auckland fullback - I know Wright covered there
in
> > > some games I give this match up to the Crusaders
> >
> > Can't recall, but i will surely go "of course" when someone comes up
with
> > it.
>
> Lindsay Harris. Probably unlucky not to make the ABs during his career.
Of course ;)