Dupuy 6 months? Begs another question.....
David K
would a player have to do (staying with gouging here) to get 12/24/36
months.
Personally I think he got off pretty lightly and the punishment was not
sufficient to send out a clear message that this is totally unacceptable in
rugby.
I suppose we might see a more severe punishment if someone is seriously
injured as a consequence but it would be a shame/tragedy/disgrace if we had
to wait for that to happen before more severe bans are handed out.
David K
didgerman
He should've been banned for good, for his own protection: who's going
to wait around in a ruck with him about? Like I said before, it'll be
punch first, worry about it later.
Mentalguy2k8
"David K" <david_s...@crystal-engravers.com> wrote in message
news:hgnlph$oi8$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Trouble is, you have to stop short of the maximum ban where the player isn't
badly injured, or players are going to take the attitude that they'll be
banned for life regardless, so might as well take the eye right out.
Especially considering what must go through these players' minds to gouge in
the first place in full view of the cameras, knowing that a long ban is
inevitable. It's madness. Absurd though it is, you have to give people some
credit for not going the whole hog. A bit like kidnap, if you get a life
sentence for it, you might as well kill the hostage because they can't give
you any more years for it.
I think that fighting should attract smaller penalties, I'd rather see
punch-ups happening more to settle matters, rather than a player full of
frustration sneakily poking someone's eye in. Bring back the good, honest
punch-up!
I reckon 6 months is a long, long time for a professional sportsman though.
Frenchy
wrote:
Dupuy appeals from the decision anyway, so that's not the end of it.
http://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/coupe-d-europe/2009-2010/julien-dupuy-fait-appel_sto2161844/story.shtml
Looks like Ferris testimony was more about a "hand in face" gesture
than a real gouge (and all credit to Ferris for that if this is true),
so maybe there _is_ some ground to think this six months decision a
bit harsh ? We'll see.
Large Paddy
what should Umaga have got for the BOD disgrace?
David F
> Begs the question,
>
> what should Umaga have got for the BOD disgrace?
If you're a Kiwi, a pat on the back - apparently.
Two Dogs
> Begs the question,
>
> what should Umaga have got for the BOD disgrace?
He got what he deserved.
Two Dogs
Two Dogs
Fuck me, you lot are more bitter than the Welsh....
Two Dogs
didgerman
A lifetime of zero credibility?
>
> Two Dogs
Herman van Rumpy (President)
> On 21 déc, 12:22, "David K" <david_spamtr...@crystal-engravers.com>
> wrote:
>
> > If Dupuy was given 6 months for what was described as a top end offence what
> > would a player have to do (staying with gouging here) to get 12/24/36
> > months.
>
> > Personally I think he got off pretty lightly and the punishment was not
> > sufficient to send out a clear message that this is totally unacceptable in
> > rugby.
>
> > I suppose we might see a more severe punishment if someone is seriously
> > injured as a consequence but it would be a shame/tragedy/disgrace if we had
> > to wait for that to happen before more severe bans are handed out.
>
> > David K
>
> Looks like Ferris testimony was more about a "hand in face" gesture
> than a real gouge (and all credit to Ferris for that if this is true),
> so maybe there _is_ some ground to think this six months decision a
> bit harsh ? We'll see.
Stade president Max Guazzini said the ban was "excessive" and "anti-
French",
LOL
Two Dogs
badabing
Everyone forgets the real villain of that first test, he's never
mentioned, no one whined about him, no one blamed him for subsequent
results, but here he is in case you'd all forgotten, cited, convicted
and banned...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2361603/Grewcock-banned-for-biting.html
Biting? FFS....
Two Dogs
Peter Twydell
<b61e3541-67d9-4c56...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
"Herman van Rumpy (President)" <michael...@yahoo.com> writes>> On 21 d�c, 12:22, "David K" <david_spamtr...@crystal-engravers.com>
I refer the learned gentleman to the statement about Lord Astor by Miss
Mandy Rice-Davies.
--
Peter
Ying tong iddle-i po!
didgerman
> On Dec 21, 11:11 am, didgerman <didger...@rfu.com> wrote:
>> Two Dogs wrote:
>>> On Dec 21, 9:49 am, Large Paddy <gol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Begs the question,
>>>> what should Umaga have got for the BOD disgrace?
>>> He got what he deserved.
>> A lifetime of zero credibility?
>>
>
> badabing
>
> Everyone forgets the real villain of that first test, he's never
> mentioned, no one whined about him, no one blamed him for subsequent
> results, but here he is in case you'd all forgotten, cited, convicted
> and banned...
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2361603/Grewcock-banned-for-biting.html
>
> Biting? FFS....
Hey, if you don't want your fingers bit, don't put them in Grewcock's
mouth. It ain't rocket science.
>
> Two Dogs
Mike
"The Judicial Officer accepted that Mealamu�s fingers inadvertently
entered Grewcock�s mouth at the breakdown ..."
Sticking your fingers in the mouth of a player at a ruck? FFS ....
I know it's not as dangerous as gouging or as unpleasant as a Hopoate
but it certainly merits some kind of censure. In my 40+ years my
fingers have never entered anyones mouth "inadvertently ..."
Mike
Charles
wrote:
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA etc. ...
... that must be the most extravagant straw-man argument ever seen at
RSRU.
Do you think that Mealamu was offering Grewcock his thumb in his mouth
as a comforter - the little prick is lucky he's still got it!!
A gross travesty!
PS
I note with interest your habit of quietly forgetting to respond with
an apology when you make a wrongful accusation and have it drawn to
your attention.
Two Dogs
wrote:
> Two Dogs wrote:
> > On Dec 21, 11:11 am, didgerman <didger...@rfu.com> wrote:
> >> Two Dogs wrote:
> >>> On Dec 21, 9:49 am, Large Paddy <gol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Begs the question,
> >>>> what should Umaga have got for the BOD disgrace?
> >>> He got what he deserved.
> >> A lifetime of zero credibility?
>
> > badabing
>
> > Everyone forgets the real villain of that first test, he's never
> > mentioned, no one whined about him, no one blamed him for subsequent
> > results, but here he is in case you'd all forgotten, cited, convicted
> > and banned...
>
> >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2361603/Grewcock-banned-for-biting.html
>
> > Biting? FFS....
>
> > Two Dogs
>
> entered Grewcock’s mouth at the breakdown ..."
>
> Sticking your fingers in the mouth of a player at a ruck? FFS ....
>
> I know it's not as dangerous as gouging or as unpleasant as a Hopoate
> but it certainly merits some kind of censure. In my 40+ years my
> fingers have never entered anyones mouth "inadvertently ..."
>
> Mike
Grewcock: Cited, convicted, banned. No one else was. There is no
other story.
Next you'll be suggesting armbands.
Two Dogs
William Clark
<bb23a432-10e8-45a6...@h9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Frenchy <cru...@club-internet.fr> wrote:
> On 21 d�c, 12:22, "David K" <david spamtr...@crystal-engravers.com>
> wrote:
> > If Dupuy was given 6 months for what was described as a top end offence
> > what
> > would a player have to do (staying with gouging here) to get 12/24/36
> > months.
> >
> > Personally I think he got off pretty lightly and the punishment was not
> > sufficient to send out a clear message that this is totally unacceptable in
> > rugby.
> >
> > I suppose we might see a more severe punishment if someone is seriously
> > injured as a consequence but it would be a shame/tragedy/disgrace if we had
> > to wait for that to happen before more severe bans are handed out.
> >
> > David K
>
> Dupuy appeals from the decision anyway, so that's not the end of it.
> http://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/coupe-d-europe/2009-2010/julien-dupuy-fait-appel
> sto2161844/story.shtml
> Looks like Ferris testimony was more about a "hand in face" gesture
> than a real gouge (and all credit to Ferris for that if this is true),
> so maybe there is some ground to think this six months decision a
> bit harsh ? We'll see.
Not from the video and photographs, there isn't. Good for Ferris to take
the high road, but I doubt the ERC will do likewise.
Two Dogs
I see. So if I don't want one of your first line locks to play
anymore, I shouldn't put my fingers in his mouth, especially if I know
he's stupid enough to bite them?
FWIW I thought the banning improved the Lion's chances...
Two Dogs
Two Dogs
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:37:31 -0800 (PST), Two Dogs <nzre...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Dec 21, 11:11 am, didgerman <didger...@rfu.com> wrote:
> >> Two Dogs wrote:
> >> > On Dec 21, 9:49 am, Large Paddy <gol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Begs the question,
>
> >> >> what should Umaga have got for the BOD disgrace?
>
> >> > He got what he deserved.
>
> >> A lifetime of zero credibility?
>
> > badabing
>
> >Everyone forgets the real villain of that first test, he's never
> >mentioned, no one whined about him, no one blamed him for subsequent
> >results, but here he is in case you'd all forgotten, cited, convicted
> >and banned...
>
> >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2361603/Grewcock-banned-for-biting.html
>
> >Biting? FFS....
>
> BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA etc. ...
>
> ... that must be the most extravagant straw-man argument ever seen at
> RSRU.
>
> Do you think that Mealamu was offering Grewcock his thumb in his mouth
> as a comforter - the little prick is lucky he's still got it!!
>
> A gross travesty!
>
Cited, convicted, Banned.
Where's the straw, Rumpelcharleskin?
Two Never Wrong Dogs
Charles
wrote:
>On Dec 21, 2:30�pm, Charles <char...@msn.com> wrote:
How do you justify such an outrageous segue, from a hypothetical
question about the notorious spear tackle on the captain of the
British Lions, for which no punishment was awarded, to once again
pillorying the hapless Grewcock, who, by comparison, got sent home for
bugger all?
There's the "straw" Two "Wriggling" Dogs!!
Oh, one more thing, you [snipped] and forgot to respond to this:
"PS
I note with interest your habit of quietly forgetting to respond with
an apology when you make a wrongful accusation and have it drawn to
your attention."
Tut tut Two "Evasive" Dogs!
David F
Or able to make a joke without 10 exclamation marks and triple
smilies. It's called wry humour, Try it sometime.
David F
Fishhooking is pretty lame. Stick your fingers in someone's mouth,
don't be surprised to find teeth around them.
David F
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:42:27 -0800 (PST), Two Dogs <nzre...@aol.com>
*ahem* British and Irish Lions. Or, Irish and British Lions as they
were in SA :)
David F
state.edu> wrote:
> In article
> <bb23a432-10e8-45a6-9b4c-8d19b746f...@h9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> Frenchy <crum...@club-internet.fr> wrote:
> > On 21 déc, 12:22, "David K" <david spamtr...@crystal-engravers.com>
> > wrote:
> > > If Dupuy was given 6 months for what was described as a top end offence
> > > what
> > > would a player have to do (staying with gouging here) to get 12/24/36
> > > months.
>
> > > Personally I think he got off pretty lightly and the punishment was not
> > > sufficient to send out a clear message that this is totally unacceptable in
> > > rugby.
>
> > > I suppose we might see a more severe punishment if someone is seriously
> > > injured as a consequence but it would be a shame/tragedy/disgrace if we had
> > > to wait for that to happen before more severe bans are handed out.
>
> > > David K
>
> > Dupuy appeals from the decision anyway, so that's not the end of it.
> > sto2161844/story.shtml
> > Looks like Ferris testimony was more about a "hand in face" gesture
> > than a real gouge (and all credit to Ferris for that if this is true),
> > so maybe there is some ground to think this six months decision a
> > bit harsh ? We'll see.
>
> Not from the video and photographs, there isn't. Good for Ferris to take
> the high road, but I doubt the ERC will do likewise.
Just wondering, why do you think it's good to see Ferris take the
'high road' and not complain? He got fingers stuck in the eye ... by
belittling it, he's making it more likely someone, someday will get a
very serious injury from such behaviour. It's an unacceptable part of
the game, and should be severely punished. I felt similarly sick when
my old pal Leo defended Alan Quinlan. It needs to be stamped out, with
serious and big punishments. Are we going to have to wait until
someone loses an eye?
Charles
wrote:
Please accept my humble apologies; British and Irish Lions it is.
Have a great Christmas and a happy New Year - I intend to!! ;o)
Two Dogs
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:42:27 -0800 (PST), Two Dogs <nzre...@aol.com>
Someone else once pointed out that you didn't understand the term
'strawman' Charles, and I see you haven't taken the time to correct
that.
Suffice it to say that I am talking about a proven foul, cited,
convicted and banned, as opposed to an incident that is one part
legend, two parts frustration at having your arses kicked, and 5 parts
Campbell Coolaid.
Facts, gotta love 'em.
>
> Oh, one more thing, you [snipped] and forgot to respond to this:
>
> "PS
> I note with interest your habit of quietly forgetting to respond with
> an apology when you make a wrongful accusation and have it drawn to
> your attention."
>
> Tut tut Two "Evasive" Dogs!
I have no idea what you are on about Charles. However I'm happy to
apologise if it saves the British taxpayer the expense of another two
weeks of sedation for you.
Give Matron a pinch from me...
Two Dogs
Two Dogs
Especially when it sounds like sour grapes.
>It's called wry humour, Try it sometime.
I'll reread as humour then. Good one.
Two Dogs
Large Paddy
Quinlan for his gouging, nor should they. Dirt should have no place in
sport. The odd punch from frustration is acceptable and no-one creates
much of a fuss about it, but deliberately taking out opponents is just
assault, The problem with it, is that if it's not dealt with, it only
gets worse and worse.
Charles
wrote:
>On Dec 21, 4:02�pm, Charles <char...@msn.com> wrote:
So you say every time we call you on it!
>
>Suffice it to say that I am talking about a proven foul, cited,
>convicted and banned, as opposed to an incident that is one part
>legend, two parts frustration at having your arses kicked, and 5 parts
>Campbell Coolaid.
And pray tell, where is the connection to the substantive?
>
> Facts, gotta love 'em.
Nope dude, you can only use 'em iffen ya gottem, if ya ain't gottem
then ya gotta poke what ya really got up yer double-talking two-timing
ass!!
>
>>
>> Oh, one more thing, you [snipped] and forgot to respond to this:
>>
>> "PS
>> I note with interest your habit of quietly forgetting to respond with
>> an apology when you make a wrongful accusation and have it drawn to
>> your attention."
>>
>> Tut tut Two "Evasive" Dogs!
>
> I have no idea what you are on about Charles. However I'm happy to
>apologise
An insincere apology is no apology at all, and is entirely consistent
with your evasive conduct when you are proved wrong again and won't
admit it.
> if it saves the British taxpayer the expense of another two
>weeks of sedation for you.
You really are a bitchy old cunt; you start the tussle and then get
all eggy when you can't have your own way. Then, out comes all the old
cybernet cowboys stock ammunition: medication; old and feeble;
homosexual; Nazi - oops that's the end of that thread ...
>
> Give Matron a pinch from me...
>
... you wouldn't know what to do with "Matron" if she stuck her bare
arse in your face and said "see anything you like?" Go fuck yourself
you silly old prick, and ferfuckssake get those piles seen to ...
... other than that, do have a wonder Christmas and New Year old chum
- you know I intend to!! ;o)
This is a reciprocal Bullshit, Bollocks & Ad Hominem Production!! �
David K
> Interestingly, almost nobody in this country (Ireland) defended Alan
> Quinlan for his gouging, nor should they.
Correct. Most people would have felt for him missing out on his last
opportunity to go on a Lions Tour but the same people reckon he got what he
deserved. I don't recall too many folk feeling he was hard done by.
Herman van Rumpy (President)
wrote:
> If Dupuy was given 6 months for what was described as a top end offence what
> would a player have to do (staying with gouging here) to get 12/24/36
> months.
>
> Personally I think he got off pretty lightly and the punishment was not
> sufficient to send out a clear message that this is totally unacceptable in
> rugby.
>
> I suppose we might see a more severe punishment if someone is seriously
> injured as a consequence but it would be a shame/tragedy/disgrace if we had
> to wait for that to happen before more severe bans are handed out.
>
> David K
jail would send the right message
GHFAN
gotten over Wilkinson throwing the interception that cost the Lions
the series in Australia.
Two Dogs
What, me worry?
Two Dogs
Mentalguy2k8
"Mike" <mikelovescham...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:hgoc8b$ov8$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
I'd rather have Mealamu's finger in my gob than Hopoate's......
Two Dogs
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:02:11 -0800 (PST), Two Dogs <nzre...@aol.com>
I think you take this all far too seriously, Charles. It's causing
you to tilt at windmills that aren't really there. You're a worry,
really...
I still have no idea of WTF you are going on about, but I'm sure
having a good old mindless rant is making you happy so cheers, good
luck, merry Xmas, and avoid Nurse Harry's Spotted Dick.
Two Dogs
Charles
wrote:
>On Dec 22, 4:22�am, Charles <char...@msn.com> wrote:
Quixotic eh?
>You're a worry, really...
... please don't let it spoil your Christmas, I'll try and cope and no
doubt all your good advice and continuing valuable friendship will see
me through.
You are such a dear person, and I am so grateful to you for all your
kindness, over a number of years now ...
>
> I still have no idea of WTF you are going on about, but I'm sure
>having a good old mindless rant is making you happy so cheers,
That one hit the spot then Two "Bark is worse than his bite" Dogs?!
>good luck, merry Xmas, and avoid Nurse Harry's Spotted Dick.
Same to you old dear, and don't put more in your mouth than you can
cope with, which leaves you enormous scope given the size ... - oh
fuck it, you know the rest!!
Pax for the hols or would you rather carry on with this dopey pissing
competition?
Have a great Christmas and a Happy New Year TD - you know I intend
to!! ;o)
Mike
True ....
mike
Mike
> On Dec 21, 12:45 pm, Mike <mikeloveschampagneandru...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>> Two Dogs wrote:
>>> On Dec 21, 11:11 am, didgerman <didger...@rfu.com> wrote:
>>>> Two Dogs wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 21, 9:49 am, Large Paddy <gol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Begs the question,
>>>>>> what should Umaga have got for the BOD disgrace?
>>>>> He got what he deserved.
>>>> A lifetime of zero credibility?
>>> badabing
>>> Everyone forgets the real villain of that first test, he's never
>>> mentioned, no one whined about him, no one blamed him for subsequent
>>> results, but here he is in case you'd all forgotten, cited, convicted
>>> and banned...
>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2361603/Grewcock-banned-for-biting.html
>>> Biting? FFS....
>>> Two Dogs
>>
>> Sticking your fingers in the mouth of a player at a ruck? FFS ....
>>
>> I know it's not as dangerous as gouging or as unpleasant as a Hopoate
>> but it certainly merits some kind of censure. In my 40+ years my
>> fingers have never entered anyones mouth "inadvertently ..."
>>
>> Mike
>
>
>
> Grewcock: Cited, convicted, banned. No one else was. There is no
> other story.
>
> Next you'll be suggesting armbands.
>
>
> Two Dogs
>
And how just was that Carter ban?
You are a big enough boy to know that the guilty don't always get what
they deserve.
Mike
didgerman
I thought I remembered this story, but I had to google it...:
'Former Australian rugby league international John Hopoate was banned
for 12 weeks Wednesday after being found guilty of "interfering" with
opponents.
The Wests Tigers winger was said to have jammed his fingers up the
backsides of three North Queensland players during a match last weekend.
NRL judiciary commissioner Jim Hall said: "I must say in my 45 years
involvement in rugby league I've never come across a more disgusting
allegation than I've had to deal with now.'
Eye gouging is probably worse, and oddly, less hygienic. That said, ffs.....
Two Dogs
wrote:
> Two Dogs wrote:
> > On Dec 21, 12:45 pm, Mike <mikeloveschampagneandru...@googlemail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Two Dogs wrote:
> >>> On Dec 21, 11:11 am, didgerman <didger...@rfu.com> wrote:
> >>>> Two Dogs wrote:
> >>>>> On Dec 21, 9:49 am, Large Paddy <gol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Begs the question,
> >>>>>> what should Umaga have got for the BOD disgrace?
> >>>>> He got what he deserved.
> >>>> A lifetime of zero credibility?
> >>> badabing
> >>> Everyone forgets the real villain of that first test, he's never
> >>> mentioned, no one whined about him, no one blamed him for subsequent
> >>> results, but here he is in case you'd all forgotten, cited, convicted
> >>> and banned...
> >>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2361603/Grewcock-banned-for-biting.html
> >>> Biting? FFS....
> >>> Two Dogs
>
> >> Sticking your fingers in the mouth of a player at a ruck? FFS ....
>
> >> I know it's not as dangerous as gouging or as unpleasant as a Hopoate
> >> but it certainly merits some kind of censure. In my 40+ years my
> >> fingers have never entered anyones mouth "inadvertently ..."
>
> >> Mike
>
> > Grewcock: Cited, convicted, banned. No one else was. There is no
> > other story.
>
> > Next you'll be suggesting armbands.
>
> > Two Dogs
>
> And how just was that Carter ban?
>
> You are a big enough boy to know that the guilty don't always get what
> they deserve.
>
> Mike
Are you suggesting that Grewcock didn't get what he deserves? I
thought 2 months was fair....
Two Dogs
didgerman
Maybe, maybe not, but Mealamu should've got about two years, so it's not
that fair is it....
>
> Two Dogs
Mike
If I remember rightly it was just his way of saying 'Hello Sailor!' An
typical aussie greeting that Matua would appreciate
Mike
Mike
Very much depends upon what he thought the fingers where doing in his
mouth at the time doesn't it, now if you can explain to me how one grown
man "inadvertently" pops his fingers into another man's mouth at a ruck
then please do so.
Mike
Gib Bogle
> On 21 d�c, 12:22, "David K" <david_spamtr...@crystal-engravers.com>
> Looks like Ferris testimony was more about a "hand in face" gesture
> than a real gouge (and all credit to Ferris for that if this is true),
> bit harsh ? We'll see.
In fact he was just helping to clear some mud out of the other fellow's
eyes.