Top 10 dirtiest players ever
Jeremy Chames
taste for All Black and was banned for 18months
Massimo Giovannelli, Italian captain otherwiseehrwise known as Mad Max
almost ended Scot, Eric Peter's, career
Richard Lowe, fearsome All Black prop top of the eye-gougerss
Adri Geldenhuys - Springbok lock, general all round bad guy and implicated
in the stamping that caused England's Jonathan Callard's very visible facial
scarring.
James Small - former Springbok wing with a short, very short fuse,
Martin Johnson - Great lock, excellent mountaineer
The 30 men who on the field took part in the battle of Boet Erasmus WC95
Canada v SA
Ivor Dorrington - eighth man played for Western Province in the 1950's,
Ginger-haired, vicious temper apparently.
Troy Flavell - Another New Zealander who confuses the rugby balls with eye
balls.
Kevin Yeats - of Bath another notorius ear biter
Any additions to this motley crew?
Stringo
against him at club level in the Waikato (NZ) and on one particular
Saturday, he took off a blokes ear with his teeth. He was then banned for
life for playing rugby in the Waikato province and gained the nickname in
the Waikato as Joe "The Ear" Veitayaki.........
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"If ya see a leg poking out of a ruck at club level you ruck it, if its at
provincial level you stomp on it, at international level you break it"
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Charlie Pearce
<jer...@365digital.co.za> wrote:
>Johan "It tastes just like pork" le Roux, Springbok prop who developed a
>taste for All Black and was banned for 18months
>Massimo Giovannelli, Italian captain otherwiseehrwise known as Mad Max
>almost ended Scot, Eric Peter's, career
>Richard Lowe, fearsome All Black prop top of the eye-gougerss
>Adri Geldenhuys - Springbok lock, general all round bad guy and implicated
>in the stamping that caused England's Jonathan Callard's very visible facial
>scarring.
>James Small - former Springbok wing with a short, very short fuse,
>Martin Johnson - Great lock, excellent mountaineer
>The 30 men who on the field took part in the battle of Boet Erasmus WC95
>Canada v SA
>Ivor Dorrington - eighth man played for Western Province in the 1950's,
>Ginger-haired, vicious temper apparently.
>Troy Flavell - Another New Zealander who confuses the rugby balls with eye
>balls.
>Kevin Yeats - of Bath another notorius ear biter
Er, that's 39... ;-)
>Any additions to this motley crew?
Jamie Joseph for his impromptu ankle surgery on Kyran Bracken in 1993.
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SO bloody cold and calculating. Hope he's having a miserable time in Japan.
Anthony
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> Johan "It tastes just like pork" le Roux, Springbok prop who developed a
> taste for All Black and was banned for 18months
He makes the top ten for one provoked indiscretion?
> Massimo Giovannelli, Italian captain otherwiseehrwise known as Mad Max
> almost ended Scot, Eric Peter's, career
Don't know him.
> Richard Lowe, fearsome All Black prop top of the eye-gougerss
He is? I have seen him play a time or two and doesn't strike me as
particulary dirty.
> Adri Geldenhuys - Springbok lock, general all round bad guy and
implicated
> in the stamping that caused England's Jonathan Callard's very visible
facial
> scarring.
Implicated? Proved?
> James Small - former Springbok wing with a short, very short fuse,
Never really see him play dirty. Short fused yet, but he would definately
not make my top 10 list.
> Martin Johnson - Great lock, excellent mountaineer
He is?
> The 30 men who on the field took part in the battle of Boet Erasmus WC95
> Canada v SA
Your top 10 is now 40 people. This sentence leads me to believe you are
just trolling. Are you?
> Ivor Dorrington - eighth man played for Western Province in the 1950's,
> Ginger-haired, vicious temper apparently.
Wasn't born yet, so I won't know.
> Troy Flavell - Another New Zealander who confuses the rugby balls with eye
> balls.
An easy mistake to make in the heat of the moment. I mean, a ball is a
ball.
> Kevin Yeats - of Bath another notorius ear biter
How many ears did he bite to become notorius?
> Any additions to this motley crew?
>
Nope, but how about a Top Ten list of crap talkers? ;-))
1. Jeremy Chames.
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>
>Any additions to this motley crew?
>
Robin Brooke when playing for Auckland.
Doesn't matter where the ball is. Just get in there and jog on your
opponent.
Another Richard Loe incident. Breaking Oz winger Paul Carozza's nose as he
lay on the ground just after scoring a try.
Michael Brial. Got tackled by Frank Bunce and thinking he was in a boxing
ring, proceeded to use Bunce as a punching bag
Tony Hastie
Anthony Andrews <aandrews2@'nospam'ohiou.edu> wrote in article
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>
> >
> >Jamie Joseph for his impromptu ankle surgery on Kyran Bracken in 1993.
> >
> Glad someone else remembers this. I've always hated Jospeh for this
incident.
> SO bloody cold and calculating. Hope he's having a miserable time in
Japan.
>
>
Yes, I bet its been playing on his concience all these years :o)
>
>
Tony Hastie
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>
>
> Michael Brial. Got tackled by Frank Bunce and thinking he was in a boxing
> ring, proceeded to use Bunce as a punching bag
>
> Bunce admitted in his book to using a bit of an elbow which got Brial
started. Cant have been that dirty anyway, Bunce smiled all the way through
the apparent beating!
>
Ian Diddams
>
> Michael Brial. Got tackled by Frank Bunce and thinking he was in a
>boxing ring, proceeded to use Bunce as a punching bag
More like "Top Ten handbag swingers".
Bunce just covered up and when Brial had finshed, just walked away.
Not that what Brial did was acceptable (and he should have walked IMO)
but the damage cuased (or not) doesn't even register as "dirty"!!
Didds
Jeremy Chames
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> Jeremy Chames <jer...@365digital.co.za> wrote in message
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> > Johan "It tastes just like pork" le Roux, Springbok prop who developed
a
> > taste for All Black and was banned for 18months
>
> He makes the top ten for one provoked indiscretion?
>
> > Massimo Giovannelli, Italian captain otherwiseehrwise known as Mad Max
> > almost ended Scot, Eric Peter's, career
>
> Don't know him.
>
>
> > Any additions to this motley crew?
> >
>
> 1. Jeremy Chames.
>
>
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>Johan "It tastes just like pork" le Roux, Springbok prop who developed a
>taste for All Black and was banned for 18months
>Massimo Giovannelli, Italian captain otherwiseehrwise known as Mad
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developed
> a
> > > taste for All Black and was banned for 18months
> >
> >
> Indiscretion, Ok so maybe he was hungry?
Nope, not hungry, but frustrated beyond human endurance.
> > How many ears did he bite to become notorius?
> 1 ear to be precise
One ear gets you to be notorious? Wow! I wonder what he would be if he
chomped 10?
> > > Any additions to this motley crew?
> > >
> > Nope, but how about a Top Ten list of crap talkers? ;-))
> >
> > 1. Jeremy Chames.
> >
> >
> Maybe, but I'm glad to see it has generated some debate.
>
Of course it generated debate. Good one too.
Mark Ogden
Tony Hastie
Mark Ogden <ogd...@global.co.za> wrote in article
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> Add sean fitzpatrick and brian lima
>
>
>Face it, there hasnt been a player born that can pass as a clean player.
Apart from Alan Hewson who never got dirty :o)
Ibjamesbnd
>Apart from Alan Hewson who never got dirty :o)
>
>
well there was Andre Jubre(SP?) SA #15 a few years back, He never seemed to
get dirty either
Bill
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Chris Carroll
"Jeremy Chames" <jer...@365digital.co.za> wrote:
> Johan "It tastes just like pork" le Roux, Springbok prop who
developed a
> taste for All Black and was banned for 18months
> almost ended Scot, Eric Peter's, career
You can't just label Lowe as an eye gougher. You must surely remember
him spreading Paul Carozza's node all over his face with a late forearm
(about 5 seconds after Carozza scored a try). Lowe is a man of many
talents.
> Adri Geldenhuys - Springbok lock, general all round bad guy and
implicated
> in the stamping that caused England's Jonathan Callard's very visible
facial
> scarring.
> James Small - former Springbok wing with a short, very short fuse,
> Martin Johnson - Great lock, excellent mountaineer
> The 30 men who on the field took part in the battle of Boet Erasmus
WC95
> Canada v SA
> Ivor Dorrington - eighth man played for Western Province in the
1950's,
> Ginger-haired, vicious temper apparently.
> Troy Flavell - Another New Zealander who confuses the rugby balls with
eye
> balls.
Man that is harsh for several reasons:
1. He was acquited of any wrong doing by the judicury.
2. The guy he got didn't feel that any wrong was done and actually
testified in Flavells defense at the hearing.
3. Video footage found a week later show that the thumb-in-the-eye was a
pure accident and a result of a poor tackle where his arm bounced off
the ball the opponent was holding. The photo that showed the goughing
didn't show any of this.
> Kevin Yeats - of Bath another notorius ear biter
>
> Any additions to this motley crew?
Any French forward you can name.
>
>
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Bracken has been laying on the wrong side of the rucks all day long
slowing down the AB ball (along with the rest of the forwards). The
only pity was the the action taken to 'discourage' Bracken from straying
back into a ruck was a bit over the top.
PS: Joseph is having a great time in Japan.
Chris Carroll
Fitzpatrick was never dirty. He is a just a niggly player and winds up
most opponents with some well timed comments. A master of witty reparte
(spelling?) on the rugby field.
An what has Lima ever done (apart from one head high tackle which just
about killed a Tongan player)?
Chris Carroll
ibjam...@aol.com (Ibjamesbnd) wrote:
> >>Face it, there hasnt been a player born that can pass as a clean
player.
> >Apart from Alan Hewson who never got dirty :o)
> >
> >
>
> well there was Andre Jubre(SP?) SA #15 a few years back, He never
seemed to
> get dirty either
> Bill
> check your facts before flapping your gums
And the whole English backline for the past decade (apart from Mike Catt
who still has a Jonah Lomu thigh sized imprint in his head). Expecially
Jeremy 'Not my face! I'm a model' Gusgot.
Tony Hastie
Ibjamesbnd <ibjam...@aol.com> wrote in article
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> >>Face it, there hasnt been a player born that can pass as a clean
player.
> >Apart from Alan Hewson who never got dirty :o)
> >
> >
>
> well there was Andre Jubre(SP?) SA #15 a few years back, He never
seemed to
> get dirty either
> Bill
>
Must be a fullback thing :o)
>
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> developed
> > a
> > > > taste for All Black and was banned for 18months
> > >
> > >
> > Indiscretion, Ok so maybe he was hungry?
>
> Nope, not hungry, but frustrated beyond human endurance.
>
Please. Even the way you SA guys describe it, 'Fitzy pinned him down for a
bit long' is hardly worthy of saying 'he was frustrated beyond human
enduance', its not like Fitzy sent him into the desert for 40 days and
nights.
Why didn't he just belt him one when he finally got the chance?, getting
caught biting makes him look like a loony.
Roger
Matthew John Roux
Cup when Canada attacked South Africa, Joubert walked away from
the brawl and stood on the other side of the field, waiting for the
nonsense to end.
Matthew
Duncan Hay
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> In article <01bedf02$67767e20$7dbc...@bestbet.ihug.co.nz>,
> "Tony Hastie" <bes...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Anthony Andrews <aandrews2@'nospam'ohiou.edu> wrote in article
> > <FFyKo...@boss.cs.ohiou.edu>...
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Jamie Joseph for his impromptu ankle surgery on Kyran Bracken in
> 1993.
> > > >
> > > Glad someone else remembers this. I've always hated Jospeh for this
> > incident.
> > > SO bloody cold and calculating. Hope he's having a miserable time
> in
> > Japan.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yes, I bet its been playing on his concience all these years :o)
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> Bracken has been laying on the wrong side of the rucks all day long
> slowing down the AB ball (along with the rest of the forwards). The
> only pity was the the action taken to 'discourage' Bracken from straying
> back into a ruck was a bit over the top.
Wrong, he stomped on his ankle as Bracken lay there on the ground after
passing from a lineout.
Another gem from the cretin, I'm glad he wandered off overseas, we don't
need idiots like that playing for the All Blacks.
Duncan Hay
Duncan Hay
> In article <7ocmmv$4sc$1...@ctb-nnrp1.saix.net>,
> "Mark Ogden" <ogd...@global.co.za> wrote:
> > Add sean fitzpatrick and brian lima
> >
> >
>
> Fitzpatrick was never dirty. He is a just a niggly player and winds up
> most opponents with some well timed comments. A master of witty reparte
> (spelling?) on the rugby field.
>
> An what has Lima ever done (apart from one head high tackle which just
> about killed a Tongan player)?
Tries the top of the chest tackle without being a master at like Frank Bunce
was
He's nailed a few players above the chin, I don't think he does it
deliberately, but I do think he's lucky not to suspended sometimes.
No malice, but a touch too much blood rushing to the head coupled with a
desire to scare the shit out of whoever he's tackling.
Duncan Hay
Tim Scrivens
an...@eskom.co.za wrote in message <7obj95$1seu$1...@nnrp01.ops.uunet.co.za>...
>
>Jeremy Chames <jer...@365digital.co.za> wrote in message
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>> Johan "It tastes just like pork" le Roux, Springbok prop who developed a
>> taste for All Black and was banned for 18months
>
>He makes the top ten for one provoked indiscretion?
Yes, but it was a ripper of an indiscretion - as you have said, he could
have butted, but he bit (say that 6 times fast).
>
>> Richard Lowe, fearsome All Black prop top of the eye-gougerss
>
>He is? I have seen him play a time or two and doesn't strike me as
>particulary dirty.
Richard Loe (note the spelling) has a top three.
1. Broke Paul Carozza's nose, by dropping the forearm on him at least 3
seconds after Carozza had scored.
2. Eye-gouged a fellow AB in a provincial match (and a ripper of an
eye-gouge it was, too - at least 15 seconds worth).
3. Testicularly crushed his cousin (this one I particularly like) in a
Waikato/Canterbury match (his cousin is Stu Loe, also a front-rower). This
last one never got much publicity, I don't know why.
>> James Small - former Springbok wing with a short, very short fuse,
>
>Never really see him play dirty. Short fused yet, but he would definately
>not make my top 10 list.
He's definitely a nutter, but not a dirty nutter.
>
>> Martin Johnson - Great lock, excellent mountaineer
>
>He is?
Meaning climbs all over other people? What about Eric Champ, if we're going
for locks - the man that even Robin Brooke says "Man, he's a dirty bastard".
>
>> Troy Flavell - Another New Zealander who confuses the rugby balls with
eye
>> balls.
>
This is a one incident wonder - go for the Cowboy (Mark Shaw) or Skinner
instead.
an...@eskom.co.za
Ibjamesbnd <ibjam...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >>Face it, there hasnt been a player born that can pass as a clean player.
> >Apart from Alan Hewson who never got dirty :o)
> >
> >
>
> well there was Andre Jubre(SP?) SA #15 a few years back, He never seemed
to
> get dirty either
> Bill
>
type hand guard, because of that very reason.
an...@eskom.co.za
Chris Carroll <chris....@solnet.co.nz> wrote in message
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> In article <7ocmmv$4sc$1...@ctb-nnrp1.saix.net>,
> "Mark Ogden" <ogd...@global.co.za> wrote:
> > Add sean fitzpatrick and brian lima
> >
> >
>
> Fitzpatrick was never dirty. He is a just a niggly player and winds up
> most opponents with some well timed comments. A master of witty reparte
> (spelling?) on the rugby field.
>
> An what has Lima ever done (apart from one head high tackle which just
> about killed a Tongan player)?
>
neck guards. He did this with monotonous regularlity.
Tim Scrivens
Bunce had had a good swing on Brial - I reckon most of it was retaliation
from the previous match - which makes it more understandable.
Worst attempt to beat the shit out of anyone I ever saw, though.
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> > >
> > > <an...@eskom.co.za> wrote in message
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> > > >
> > > > news:7o9nfh$18dl$1...@nnrp01.ops.uunet.co.za...
> > > > > Johan "It tastes just like pork" le Roux, Springbok prop who
> > developed
> > > a
> > > > > taste for All Black and was banned for 18months
> > > >
> > > > He makes the top ten for one provoked indiscretion?
> > > >
> >
> > Nope, not hungry, but frustrated beyond human endurance.
> >
>
> Please. Even the way you SA guys describe it, 'Fitzy pinned him down for a
> bit long' is hardly worthy of saying 'he was frustrated beyond human
> enduance', its not like Fitzy sent him into the desert for 40 days and
> nights.
Nope. You have it all wrong.
Fitzy pinned him down for a bit long ... and held his arms down, in an
International rugby match between the All Blacks and the Springbok, with the
Springboks trailing and on the attack.
> Why didn't he just belt him one when he finally got the chance?, getting
> caught biting makes him look like a loony.
Yeah well, I have a theory about that. Everyone who is in favour of belting
and opposed to biting is inherent a huge SEXIST! :-)
Roger Kippenberger
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> > Why didn't he just belt him one when he finally got the chance?, getting
> > caught biting makes him look like a loony.
>
> Yeah well, I have a theory about that. Everyone who is in favour of
belting
> and opposed to biting is inherent a huge SEXIST! :-)
>
le Roux was just showing Fitzy his feminine side? - now that would have made
for an interesting defence at his hearing.
Roger
Mees Roelofs
>> Johan "It tastes just like pork" le Roux, Springbok prop who developed a
>> taste for All Black and was banned for 18months
>
>He makes the top ten for one provoked indiscretion?
Like most here in this list. At least for the 'one indiscretion' part.
>> Massimo Giovannelli, Italian captain otherwiseehrwise known as Mad Max
>> almost ended Scot, Eric Peter's, career
>
>Don't know him.
Excellent player, who was rightly sent off for a horrible stamping on
Eric Peters. Otherwise known to me as an excellent and fair player.
Another example of naming someone in this list for one incident.
Better change subject to top 10 dirtiest incidents ever.
>> Martin Johnson - Great lock, excellent mountaineer
>
>He is?
IIRC he had yellow cards for similar incidents in at least three 5Ns
matches this year.
>> Kevin Yeats - of Bath another notorius ear biter
>
>How many ears did he bite to become notorius?
After his ear biting incident, which he still denies BTW, Kevin Yates
got involved in a number of other incidents, where he was accused of
various dirtyness. Still, he never got suspended for any of them IIRC.
>> Any additions to this motley crew?
>>
>Nope, but how about a Top Ten list of crap talkers? ;-))
>
>1. Jeremy Chames.
LOL
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William Clark
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> In article <01bedf02$67767e20$7dbc...@bestbet.ihug.co.nz>,
> "Tony Hastie" <bes...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Anthony Andrews <aandrews2@'nospam'ohiou.edu> wrote in article
> > <FFyKo...@boss.cs.ohiou.edu>...
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Jamie Joseph for his impromptu ankle surgery on Kyran Bracken in
> 1993.
> > > >
> > > Glad someone else remembers this. I've always hated Jospeh for this
> > incident.
> > > SO bloody cold and calculating. Hope he's having a miserable time
> in
> > Japan.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yes, I bet its been playing on his concience all these years :o)
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> Bracken has been laying on the wrong side of the rucks all day long
> slowing down the AB ball (along with the rest of the forwards). The
> only pity was the the action taken to 'discourage' Bracken from straying
> back into a ruck was a bit over the top.
>
> PS: Joseph is having a great time in Japan.
>
>
Errrr, excuse me, but Bracken was the scrum half, and they are never given
to "laying on the wrong side of rucks". If you don't know that Bracken
wasn't a forward,as your "rest of the forwards" remark indicates, I
suggest that you actually get hold of a tape of the game and watch it
before voicing such ill-informed opinions.
While you're at it, watch how far off the ruck Bracken is when JJ goes out
of his way to stamp on him.
William Clark
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bad. If Bracken had been lying on the wrong side of a ruck I could understand
it more. Joesph went OUT OF HIS WAY to stamp on Brackens' ankle, nowehere
near a ruck, whilst Bracken was lying on the ground after passing the ball.
Anthony
Alex Goff
Matthew John Roux <mr...@crg.ee.uct.ac.za> wrote in message
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> Yes, Joubert is a very clean player. I remember in the 1995 World
> Cup when Canada attacked South Africa, Joubert walked away from
> the brawl and stood on the other side of the field, waiting for the
> nonsense to end.
Being dragged on the ground and being kicked in the head isn't my idea of
attacking (although the Canadians did start it).
Alex Goff
Began with A.
Chris Carroll <chris....@solnet.co.nz> wrote in message
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> In article <7o9nfh$18dl$1...@nnrp01.ops.uunet.co.za>,
> "Jeremy Chames" <jer...@365digital.co.za> wrote:
> > Johan "It tastes just like pork" le Roux, Springbok prop who
> developed a
> > taste for All Black and was banned for 18months
> > Massimo Giovannelli, Italian captain otherwiseehrwise known as Mad
> Max
> > almost ended Scot, Eric Peter's, career
> > Richard Lowe, fearsome All Black prop top of the eye-gougerss
>
> You can't just label Lowe as an eye gougher. You must surely remember
> him spreading Paul Carozza's node all over his face with a late forearm
> (about 5 seconds after Carozza scored a try). Lowe is a man of many
> talents.
>
> > Adri Geldenhuys - Springbok lock, general all round bad guy and
> implicated
> > in the stamping that caused England's Jonathan Callard's very visible
> facial
> > scarring.
> > James Small - former Springbok wing with a short, very short fuse,
> > Martin Johnson - Great lock, excellent mountaineer
> > The 30 men who on the field took part in the battle of Boet Erasmus
> WC95
> > Canada v SA
> > Ivor Dorrington - eighth man played for Western Province in the
> 1950's,
> > Ginger-haired, vicious temper apparently.
> > Troy Flavell - Another New Zealander who confuses the rugby balls with
> eye
> > balls.
>
> Man that is harsh for several reasons:
> 1. He was acquited of any wrong doing by the judicury.
> 2. The guy he got didn't feel that any wrong was done and actually
> testified in Flavells defense at the hearing.
> 3. Video footage found a week later show that the thumb-in-the-eye was a
> pure accident and a result of a poor tackle where his arm bounced off
> the ball the opponent was holding. The photo that showed the goughing
> didn't show any of this.
>
> > Kevin Yeats - of Bath another notorius ear biter
> >
> > Any additions to this motley crew?
>
> Any French forward you can name.
>
> >
> >
>
>
David Bermingham
it
was obviously planned and calder tried to headbutt McDowell in the 3rd/4th
playoff and missed and hit his shoulder. A total prick , also don't forget
the french team that took neil francis out after Ireland had beaten france
in france in the first test.
Alex Goff wrote in message ...
an...@eskom.co.za
Tim Scrivens <scri...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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> >news:7o9nfh$18dl$1...@nnrp01.ops.uunet.co.za...
a
> >> taste for All Black and was banned for 18months
> >
>
> have butted, but he bit (say that 6 times fast).
No way I can say that fast ... remember I am an Afrikaner and a prop to
boot!
> >> Richard Lowe, fearsome All Black prop top of the eye-gougerss
> >
> >He is? I have seen him play a time or two and doesn't strike me as
> >particulary dirty.
>
> Richard Loe (note the spelling) has a top three.
>
> 1. Broke Paul Carozza's nose, by dropping the forearm on him at least 3
> seconds after Carozza had scored.
> 2. Eye-gouged a fellow AB in a provincial match (and a ripper of an
> eye-gouge it was, too - at least 15 seconds worth).
> 3. Testicularly crushed his cousin (this one I particularly like) in a
> Waikato/Canterbury match (his cousin is Stu Loe, also a front-rower).
This
> last one never got much publicity, I don't know why.
Hmmm ... okay, three little indiscretions. :-) Okay, the times I saw him
play, he played hard and rouch, but no real dirty tricks. Seems he was
behaving himself.
> >> James Small - former Springbok wing with a short, very short fuse,
> >
> >Never really see him play dirty. Short fused yet, but he would
definately
> >not make my top 10 list.
>
> He's definitely a nutter, but not a dirty nutter.
Agreed. Couldn't put it better myself.
> >> Martin Johnson - Great lock, excellent mountaineer
> >
> >He is?
>
> Meaning climbs all over other people? What about Eric Champ, if we're
going
> for locks - the man that even Robin Brooke says "Man, he's a dirty
bastard".
Sheez, I am a prop, but I know what is meant by mountaineering!
an...@eskom.co.za
Thing is, he was banned for 18 months. Had he head butted, kicked, stomped,
fisted it would have been two or three weeks. Seems a tad emotional to ban
the guy for 18 months for a bite. I think there was such an outcry because
"how could a huge, big, bad rugby player bite?" Girls bite.
an...@eskom.co.za
Mees Roelofs <roe...@BloodySpammers.faithweb.com> wrote in message
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> an...@eskom.co.za wrote:
>
> >> Johan "It tastes just like pork" le Roux, Springbok prop who developed
a
> >> taste for All Black and was banned for 18months
> >
> >He makes the top ten for one provoked indiscretion?
>
Seems that way. I can't think a once off dirty action rates a place on a
top ten list, unless of course there is no one anywhere who didn't do a
dirty twice or more.
> >> Massimo Giovannelli, Italian captain otherwiseehrwise known as Mad Max
> >> almost ended Scot, Eric Peter's, career
> >
> >Don't know him.
>
> Excellent player, who was rightly sent off for a horrible stamping on
> Eric Peters. Otherwise known to me as an excellent and fair player.
> Another example of naming someone in this list for one incident.
> Better change subject to top 10 dirtiest incidents ever.
Agreed. If he stomped once, he doesn't make my list either.
> >> Martin Johnson - Great lock, excellent mountaineer
> >
> >He is?
>
> IIRC he had yellow cards for similar incidents in at least three 5Ns
> matches this year.
Okay! He makes the list.
> >> Kevin Yeats - of Bath another notorius ear biter
> >
> >How many ears did he bite to become notorius?
>
> After his ear biting incident, which he still denies BTW, Kevin Yates
> got involved in a number of other incidents, where he was accused of
> various dirtyness. Still, he never got suspended for any of them IIRC.
The same happened to Johan le Roux. The first few matches he played after
his ban, if he as much as farted on the field he was penalised.
an...@eskom.co.za
Alex Goff <Alex...@olywa.net> wrote in message
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>
> Matthew John Roux <mr...@crg.ee.uct.ac.za> wrote in message
> news:37AA92F2...@crg.ee.uct.ac.za...
> > Yes, Joubert is a very clean player. I remember in the 1995 World
> > Cup when Canada attacked South Africa, Joubert walked away from
> > the brawl and stood on the other side of the field, waiting for the
> > nonsense to end.
>
> Being dragged on the ground and being kicked in the head isn't my idea of
> attacking (although the Canadians did start it).
>
yourself being dragged on the ground and getting kicked in the head. Look
at that tape again, the Canadian where begging for that. I remember the
Canadian captian, almost on tears after the game, saying that this was
horrible and that is not how they play rugby in Canada. A week later I read
that he had been sent of for dirty play four times in Candian club games.
David Bennett
wrote:
>What was the name of the NZ prop who stomped on JPR Williams in 78 or 79?
>Began with A.
>
>
>> > James Small - former Springbok wing with a short, very short fuse,
My two penneth:
every time I saw James Small play I got the impression he was out to
hurt the other guy. I think his facial expression gave him away or
perhaps I misread him?
Cheers, an interesting discussion ....
David Bennett
wrote:
>What was the name of the NZ prop who stomped on JPR Williams in 78 or 79?
>Began with A.
>
the gent that he is JPR doesn't name the culprit in his autobiography
but i'm looking....
Bryan M.Casey
>
> What was the name of the NZ prop who stomped on JPR Williams in 78 or 79?
> Began with A.
>
He is John Ashworth and I claim my $5. Oddly enough he went onto bigger
and better things and was part of an excellent NZ front-row that blanked
the Lions 4-0 in 1983.
Bryan M.Casey
>
<snip>
> >
> > Being dragged on the ground and being kicked in the head isn't my idea of
> > attacking (although the Canadians did start it).
> >
> Well, if you attack and the defence is better than you, you may well find
> yourself being dragged on the ground and getting kicked in the head. Look
> at that tape again, the Canadian where begging for that. I remember the
> Canadian captian, almost on tears after the game, saying that this was
> horrible and that is not how they play rugby in Canada. A week later I read
> that he had been sent of for dirty play four times in Candian club games.
Nonsense. No Canadian would kick you in the head. However......if you
throw a punch at one you can expect two back. IIRC it was little more
than a scuffle in the last quarter. Gareth Rees may be many
things...but a dirty player he is not.
an...@eskom.co.za
David Bennett <db...@iname.com> wrote in message
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>
> >What was the name of the NZ prop who stomped on JPR Williams in 78 or 79?
> >Began with A.
> >
> >
>
> My two penneth:
> every time I saw James Small play I got the impression he was out to
> hurt the other guy. I think his facial expression gave him away or
> perhaps I misread him?
He obviously played with true fire and committment. He was however seldomly
penalised for dirty of foul play. I only saw him do anything dangerous
twice and both times a very strong case for accidental foul play could be
made. He does look vicious though and probably the only international
player ever send off for cursing the ref.
an...@eskom.co.za
Bryan M.Casey <brya...@inforamp.net> wrote in message
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No Canadian would kick you in the head? Bit of an open statement ... there
are many, many Canadians and surely, at least one of them must be, even
slightly, evil?
Now, as for Candians retaliating with two punches to one, that explains what
happened that night, because if you throw a punch at a South African, expect
two back as well.
I don't know Gareth Rees. Can only talk about what I read in the press and
if you followed some of my posts you will know what I think of the press.
Are you saying that Rees has never been send off before or after that game?
You can look at the tape of that match and it was clear that Canada did
everything in their power to niggle and play negatively. This is a valid
game plan and is often used by the "underdog". Ireland uses the sane tactic
often. The problem with the technique is that if the ref does not get a
hold of the game it usually leads to a scuffle or more serious later in the
game.
Alex Goff
> Alex Goff wrote:
> >
> > What was the name of the NZ prop who stomped on JPR Williams in 78 or
79?
> > Began with A.
> >
>
> He is John Ashworth and I claim my $5. Oddly enough he went onto bigger
> and better things and was part of an excellent NZ front-row that blanked
> the Lions 4-0 in 1983.
I remember him coming on during the NZ Baa-Baas game that tour in the late
70s and bowwing to a round of boos. Classless in the extreme.
Tim Scrivens
punishment for lying on the wrong side of the ruck, you got raked - JPR got
rucked in the head (not stomped) and bled a bit - I can't understand why
this is still a big deal - except that JPR's Dad had the big "spit the
dummy" at the aftermatch.
Bryan M.Casey wrote in message <37AB29...@inforamp.net>...
Duncan Hay
> What was the name of the NZ prop who stomped on JPR Williams in 78 or 79?
> Began with A.
>
ball.
Despite all the hysterical whining by JPR, his Dad and everybody else it's
clear on film that he was on the wrong side, clinging to the ball when
Ashworh starting rucking at the ball.
Duncan Hay
Duncan Hay
<an...@eskom.co.za> wrote in message
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>
> David Bennett <db...@iname.com> wrote in message
> news:37ab1487...@news.online.no...
> > On Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:19:35 -0700, "Alex Goff" <Alex...@olywa.net>
> > wrote:
> >
79?
> > >Began with A.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > My two penneth:
> > every time I saw James Small play I got the impression he was out to
> > hurt the other guy. I think his facial expression gave him away or
> > perhaps I misread him?
>
> He obviously played with true fire and committment. He was however
seldomly
> penalised for dirty of foul play. I only saw him do anything dangerous
> twice and both times a very strong case for accidental foul play could be
> made. He does look vicious though and probably the only international
> player ever send off for cursing the ref.
He was sent off playing against Waikato during the Springboks 94 tour.
Sprinted up to a player, leapt in the air and drove his knee into him.
Duncan Hay
Duncan Hay
<an...@eskom.co.za> wrote in message news:7of0e2
Snips.....
> Sheez, I am a prop, but I know what is meant by mountaineering!
Old props saying. "The way to a mans heart is thjrough his ribcage."
Duncan Hay
Ibjamesbnd
Maybe not, but he'd sure as hell cross check you.
Bill
check your facts before flapping your gums
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Bryan M.Casey
<snip>
> You can look at the tape of that match and it was clear that Canada did
> everything in their power to niggle and play negatively. This is a valid
> game plan and is often used by the "underdog". Ireland uses the sane tactic
> often. The problem with the technique is that if the ref does not get a
> hold of the game it usually leads to a scuffle or more serious later in the
> game.
Its a cultural thing. If you wish to stand up and fight, a Canadian
will oblige. SA prefer a stomp, kick, bight your ear, eye-gouge and
scratch your eyes out girly type of thing. A Canadian will just hit
you. It comes from our recent past where [as the sheriff would say...]
the man who draws his gun first better get killed. At RWC95, SA were
the biggest bunch of pussies to win anything.
Bryan M.Casey
>
> >Nonsense. No Canadian would kick you in the head
>
> Maybe not, but he'd sure as hell cross check you.
> Bill
> check your facts before flapping your gums
>
and as rsru's referees will tell you that is a 'no-no' as regards the
rulebook and the ref was left with no alternative but to send 3 off. It
would not have altered the end result.
an...@eskom.co.za
Duncan Hay <Dun...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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>
> <an...@eskom.co.za> wrote in message
person's perceptions can be. James was send of only once and that was for
swearing at the referee. Also the manner in which you describe this
incident makes me wonder if you are a journo by any chance? Two opposing
players ran for a ball that was in the air. Both jumped very high for the
ball. One went higher than the other and a huge midair collision followed.
Yes, he did go into the other player knee first, but do me a favour. Go
outside, run as fast as you can and on the run jump as high as you can.
While in the air have a look-see where your knee is.
an...@eskom.co.za
Nic Watson
Chris Carroll wrote in message <7odjp6$ct2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>Fitzpatrick was never dirty. He is a just a niggly player and winds up
>most opponents with some well timed comments. A master of witty reparte
>(spelling?) on the rugby field.
Sorry there, as a master of the rewind button I can't agree with you.
However Fitzpatrick was so good at it her just never got caught.
an...@eskom.co.za
No, it would not have.
Canada lost two key players at the end of their world cup. We lost two at
the start of ours for that little fracas. Because of that fight, if SA drew
with the NZ's in the final the cup would have gone to NZ. That fight
(started by a Candian) could have cost us the world cup. You go and blame
SA for it, but then that is typical. The few Candians I have met in my life
all have one thing in common:
1. They flap their jaws about things they know nothing about.
2. If you roll all the arrogance of an SA, an NZ, an Aussie and ten Yanks
into one person, you still do not have the arrogance of a Canadian.
3. They are all sissies, or as you put it in a previous post girly like!
an...@eskom.co.za
Well Bryan, we did win the cup, didn't we. Where was Canada with all their
fighting spirit.
Anyway, I believe you are talking a heck of a lot of crap here. You are
saying ALL Canadians and ALL South Africans and you go ahead and call it a
cultural thing. What a stupid comment?
Dick James
> Nonsense. No Canadian would kick you in the head. However......
Nonsense indeed - When Canada beat wales in 1993 the Welsh scrum half , Rupert
Moon, had his head kicked several times while trapped on the ground.
Dick James
> JPR deserved it, anyway - in 70's AB rugby (not now) there was a standard
> punishment for lying on the wrong side of the ruck, you got raked - JPR got
> rucked in the head (not stomped) and bled a bit - I can't understand why
> this is still a big deal - except that JPR's Dad had the big "spit the
> dummy" at the aftermatch.
No. You're completely wrong . he was stamped on and a stud went right through
his cheek. Being the man and doctor he is he went off, stitched himself , and
came back on. The scar is still plainly visible now - 21 years later.
Dick James
> John Ashworth was the player who rucked an extremely foolish JPR off the
> ball.
> Despite all the hysterical whining by JPR, his Dad and everybody else it's
> clear on film that he was on the wrong side, clinging to the ball when
> Ashworh starting rucking at the ball.
I've replied similarly to another poster but he was stamped on , not raked. A
stud went through his cheek which he himself stitched and came back on. The
scar is still plainly visible after more than 20 years.
Gordon Webb
an...@eskom.co.za wrote in message <7okhfq$1031$1...@nnrp01.ops.uunet.co.za>...
>
.
>
>Canada lost two key players at the end of their world cup. We lost two at
>the start of ours for that little fracas. Because of that fight, if SA
drew
>with the NZ's in the final the cup would have gone to NZ. That fight
>(started by a Candian) could have cost us the world cup. You go and blame
>SA for it, but then that is typical. The few Candians I have met in my
life
>all have one thing in common:
>
>1. They flap their jaws about things they know nothing about.
>2. If you roll all the arrogance of an SA, an NZ, an Aussie and ten Yanks
>into one person, you still do not have the arrogance of a Canadian.
>3. They are all sissies, or as you put it in a previous post girly like!
But I'll bet they cook better burgers before a match.
Bryan M.Casey
>
> an...@eskom.co.za wrote in message <7okhfq$1031$1...@nnrp01.ops.uunet.co.za>...
> life
> >all have one thing in common:
> >
> >1. They flap their jaws about things they know nothing about.
> >2. If you roll all the arrogance of an SA, an NZ, an Aussie and ten Yanks
> >into one person, you still do not have the arrogance of a Canadian.
> >3. They are all sissies, or as you put it in a previous post girly like!
>
> But I'll bet they cook better burgers before a match.
Too much sun and servants for you guys. 10 Yanks+1SA+1NZ+1Oz`= 1 Serb.
Bryan M.Casey
<all snipped>
>
> Anyway, I believe you are talking a heck of a lot of crap here. You are
> saying ALL Canadians and ALL South Africans and you go ahead and call it a
> cultural thing. What a stupid comment?
No it is not. [ice] Hockey is the first game played by all Canucks. Not
girly sports like mini-rugby or soccer. In any grade of hockey if you
"drop your gloves" and want to fight, then you will get one. It is the
natural instinct of a Canuck to use his fists. Its the ladies who
scratch your eyes out. The truth about the end of that game was Piennar
going for 'uncontested scrums' and playing school-boy rules.
Ian Diddams
>
> You can't just label Lowe as an eye gougher. You must surely remember
> him spreading Paul Carozza's node all over his face with a late
> forearm (about 5 seconds after Carozza scored a try).
Well, it was certainly a lot sooner than 5 seconds, but nonetheless it
was IMO a deliberate elbow in the face from Loe. IIRC his defence was
that he was attacking the ball as the ref had not at the moment blown to
award the try.
Nice one Richard. Aside from the fact that the ball was no-where near
Carozza's face from what I recall at the time, and Loe's elbow looked
quite deliberate in its placement.
IMO naturally.
> > Kevin Yeats - of Bath another notorius ear biter
Certainly not definitively proved. The RFU found the scapegoat they
felt requiored to produce. Yates would never I suspect have ever have
been convicted in a court of law on the evidence (or lack of it)
available. Note I'm not saying that yates definitely did not do it.
But there is a distinct lack of anything to eqalluy say that he
definitely did.
A very unfortunate incident (to say the least).
Didds.
Ian Diddams
>
> Bracken has been laying on the wrong side of the rucks all day long
> slowing down the AB ball (along with the rest of the forwards). The
> only pity was the the action taken to 'discourage' Bracken from
> straying back into a ruck was a bit over the top.
IIRC the "attack" occurred very early on in the game 0 maybe 10
minutes? 15? Hardly "all day". I certainly recall that thenincident
did not occur IN A ruck/maul... it occurred at least a couple of yards
BEHIND the breakdown the ball having been cleared and I recall from the
time there was no doubt that the footwork by Joseph was deliberate. the
ball had gone and he picked out Bracken's ankle. The chances are that
today it would have been picked up by a touch-judge.
Joseph is/was a thug. maybe he's changed - I sincerely hope he has.
But lets not pretend that what he did was "an accident" or "part of the
game". There is no way what he did could have ever been interprtaeed as
"a bit of a shoeing on the wrong side of the ruck".
My 2p.
Didds
Bryan M. Casey
Never happened. Wales were beaten in their own back-yard. IIRC it was
Scott Quinnell's 1st cap. Wales had all the boys out that day, and got
stuffed.
Bryan M. Casey
>
> Call it what you want.
> Do what he did in the wrong side of any teams ruck and see what you receive.
>
Come off it DC, even by the standards of the day it was a horrific act
for what after all was a mid-week game [and Bridgend's Centenary IIRC].
If it happened in 1999 [we don't seem to have mud anymore] Ashworth
would be video-cited and given a lengthy ban [until the end of season
jobby].
an...@eskom.co.za
Dick James <Dick....@nerc.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> Bryan M.Casey wrote:
>
> > Nonsense. No Canadian would kick you in the head. However......
>
> Nonsense indeed - When Canada beat wales in 1993 the Welsh scrum half ,
Rupert
> Moon, had his head kicked several times while trapped on the ground.
>
Casey assured us that Canadians do not do that. Maybe the Welsh scrumhalf
kicked himself? Maybe an SA snuck into the scrum and kicked him?
Portnoy
ruck. This can be clearly seen on the video of the game. Ashworth makes no
attempt whatever to play the ball.
Dick James wrote in message <37AEAC50...@nerc.ac.uk>...
Portnoy
guilty of foul play?
Joseph?
Fitpatrick?
Bryan M. Casey wrote in message <37AEEE...@cyberus.ca>...
Portnoy
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Charlie Pearce
<brya...@inforamp.net> wrote:
>an...@eskom.co.za wrote:
><all snipped>
>>
>> Anyway, I believe you are talking a heck of a lot of crap here. You are
>> saying ALL Canadians and ALL South Africans and you go ahead and call it a
>> cultural thing. What a stupid comment?
>
>No it is not. [ice] Hockey is the first game played by all Canucks. Not
>girly sports like mini-rugby or soccer. In any grade of hockey if you
>"drop your gloves" and want to fight, then you will get one.
That aspect of ice hockey seems to be an integral part of the British
game, and it makes me sick that when Simon Devereux (intentionally)
hits someone in a Glawster match he goes to prison, yet week-in,
week-out ice hockey players are seemingly under orders to start
fights... Double standards or what?!
Charlie (Bath fan ;-)
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Duncan Hay
> Duncan Hay wrote:
>
> > John Ashworth was the player who rucked an extremely foolish JPR off the
> > ball.
> > Despite all the hysterical whining by JPR, his Dad and everybody else
it's
> > clear on film that he was on the wrong side, clinging to the ball when
> > Ashworh starting rucking at the ball.
>
> I've replied similarly to another poster but he was stamped on , not
raked. A
> stud went through his cheek which he himself stitched and came back on.
The
> scar is still plainly visible after more than 20 years.
Call it what you want.
Do what he did in the wrong side of any teams ruck and see what you receive.
Duncan Hay
Dick James
> Dick James wrote:
> > Bryan M.Casey wrote:
> > > Nonsense. No Canadian would kick you in the head. However......
> > Nonsense indeed - When Canada beat wales in 1993 the Welsh scrum half , Rupert
> > Moon, had his head kicked several times while trapped on the ground.
> Never happened. Wales were beaten in their own back-yard. IIRC it was
> Scott Quinnell's 1st cap. Wales had all the boys out that day, and got
> stuffed.
Oh but it did happen - I saw it. I'm not (and didn't) dispute the result and nor did
I think it unfair but Moon still had his head kicked, more than once, by a Canadian
player while trapped on the ground.
Dick James
A stamp on the face , obviously, if your opponents are the ABs.
Bryan M.Casey
>
> Oh but it did happen - I saw it. I'm not (and didn't) dispute the result and nor did
> I think it unfair but Moon still had his head kicked, more than once, by a Canadian
> player while trapped on the ground.
Impossible. Rupert Moon doesn't have a head.
Dick James
Bryan M.Casey wrote:
He did before that game.
Simon van Dugteren
>
> <snipped>
> >
> > Oh but it did happen - I saw it. I'm not (and didn't) dispute the result and nor did
> > I think it unfair but Moon still had his head kicked, more than once, by a Canadian
> > player while trapped on the ground.
>
> Impossible. Rupert Moon doesn't have a head.
Of course he did. He had to have somewhere to keep that masterpiece of a
nose, didn't he?
Simon.
Steve Howie
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an...@eskom.co.za
> an...@eskom.co.za wrote:
> <all snipped>
> >
> > Anyway, I believe you are talking a heck of a lot of crap here. You are
> > saying ALL Canadians and ALL South Africans and you go ahead and call it
a
> > cultural thing. What a stupid comment?
>
> No it is not. [ice] Hockey is the first game played by all Canucks. Not
> girly sports like mini-rugby or soccer. In any grade of hockey if you
> natural instinct of a Canuck to use his fists. Its the ladies who
> scratch your eyes out. The truth about the end of that game was Piennar
> going for 'uncontested scrums' and playing school-boy rules.
Huh???
Tim Scrivens
Dick James wrote in message <37AFDE56...@nerc.ac.uk>...
>Duncan Hay wrote:
>
>> Do what he did in the wrong side of any teams ruck and see what you
receive.
>
>A stamp on the face , obviously, if your opponents are the ABs.
In 70's rugby - a good rucking (which was what he got - if he got stamped
on, that is sad, but he was in the wrong place at the wrong time).
I don't believe a stamping was deliberate - anyway, a vigorous rucking can
be similar, when the foot first comes down in the rucking motion.
Fuck him, anyway.
Duncan Hay
<an...@eskom.co.za> wrote in message
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>
> Duncan Hay <Dun...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
> news:93399501...@estelle.paradise.net.nz...
> >
> > <an...@eskom.co.za> wrote in message
> > news:7offtq$2s71$1...@nnrp01.ops.uunet.co.za...
> > >
> > > David Bennett <db...@iname.com> wrote in message
> > > news:37ab1487...@news.online.no...
> > > > On Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:19:35 -0700, "Alex Goff" <Alex...@olywa.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >What was the name of the NZ prop who stomped on JPR Williams in 78
or
> > 79?
> > > > >Began with A.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >> > James Small - former Springbok wing with a short, very short
> fuse,
> > > > My two penneth:
> > > > every time I saw James Small play I got the impression he was out
to
> > > > hurt the other guy. I think his facial expression gave him away or
> > > > perhaps I misread him?
> > >
> > > He obviously played with true fire and committment. He was however
> > seldomly
> > > penalised for dirty of foul play. I only saw him do anything
dangerous
> > > twice and both times a very strong case for accidental foul play could
> be
> > > made. He does look vicious though and probably the only international
> > > player ever send off for cursing the ref.
> >
> > He was sent off playing against Waikato during the Springboks 94 tour.
> > Sprinted up to a player, leapt in the air and drove his knee into him.
> >
> Actually he was not send of in that game.
He was too!
Shows you how very wrong a
> person's perceptions can be. James was send of only once and that was for
> swearing at the referee. Also the manner in which you describe this
> incident makes me wonder if you are a journo by any chance? Two opposing
> players ran for a ball that was in the air. Both jumped very high for the
> ball. One went higher than the other and a huge midair collision
followed.
> Yes, he did go into the other player knee first, but do me a favour. Go
> outside, run as fast as you can and on the run jump as high as you can.
> While in the air have a look-see where your knee is.
The fact that he arrived knee first and came in horizontal was just his
inexperience with the sea level atmospherics. :-)
Duncan Hay
an...@eskom.co.za
He was? I don't remember it that way. I will accept your statement though.
>
> Shows you how very wrong a
> > person's perceptions can be. James was send of only once and that was
for
> > swearing at the referee. Also the manner in which you describe this
> > incident makes me wonder if you are a journo by any chance? Two
opposing
> > players ran for a ball that was in the air. Both jumped very high for
the
> > ball. One went higher than the other and a huge midair collision
> followed.
> > Yes, he did go into the other player knee first, but do me a favour. Go
> > outside, run as fast as you can and on the run jump as high as you can.
> > While in the air have a look-see where your knee is.
>
> The fact that he arrived knee first and came in horizontal was just his
> inexperience with the sea level atmospherics. :-)
>
I challenge you to run at full speed and jump as high as you can. See where
your knee goes. It is a natural position to be in.
Ian Diddams
>
> Fuck him, anyway.
That's nice.
Didds
Duncan Hay
Ian Diddams <di...@freenet.uk.com> wrote in message
news:37B157...@freenet.uk.com...
And it's probably sacrilege in Wales.
"On this field was Saint JPR kicked to death by eight All Black forwards,
yet he rose again bearing his wounds with simple dignity and still plays for
Torgo 3rds."
Duncan Hay
ryanh...@gmail.com
Dechucka
<ryanh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> South African provincial player who ended Doddie Weir's career by kicking
> right in the knee during the Lions tour in 1997.
ruggeryoda
> Jamie Joseph was among the dirtiest players I ever saw. There's also that South African provincial player who ended Doddie Weir's career by kicking right in the knee during the Lions tour in 1997.
1) Robert du Preez
2) Garry Pagel
3) Adri Geldenhuys
4) Wium Basson (R.I.P.)
-R
Stephen
--
Cheers
Stephen
Greig Blanchett
contender, but he always struck me as dumber than dirty.
--
greig
Simon stovin-bradford
Duncan McRae for his attack on O'Gara, but then he did (allegedly) fiddle with his wife.
And just because it has to be done....... Tana and Kevvy for trying to kill BOD. "He could have died!"
Tom Weston
earldu...@hotmail.co.uk
Stephen
Wayne Barnes
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Cheers
Stephen
DC
Burger Geldenhuys
Roger Calkin
> Johan "It tastes just like pork" le Roux, Springbok prop who developed a
> taste for All Black and was banned for 18months
> Massimo Giovannelli, Italian captain otherwiseehrwise known as Mad Max
> almost ended Scot, Eric Peter's, career
> Richard Lowe, fearsome All Black prop top of the eye-gougerss
> Adri Geldenhuys - Springbok lock, general all round bad guy and implicated
> in the stamping that caused England's Jonathan Callard's very visible facial
> scarring.
> The 30 men who on the field took part in the battle of Boet Erasmus WC95
> Canada v SA
> Ivor Dorrington - eighth man played for Western Province in the 1950's,
> Ginger-haired, vicious temper apparently.
> Troy Flavell - Another New Zealander who confuses the rugby balls with eye
> balls.
> Kevin Yeats - of Bath another notorius ear biter
>
> Any additions to this motley crew?
There has never been an All Black prop named Richard Lowe