UK Coastal Rowing
nationalro...@hotmail.com
am keen to allow the NRL to cater for all forms of rowing, but I just
don't understand how it works.
I have Hants & Dorset, WARA, Kent & Sussex & WAGS as 4 ARA divisions.
But there seems to be a whole different boat class thing going on with
Junior Senior, Senoir, Senior A etc.
We've already said they would be included in the NRL, but it's looking
technically quite difficult.
This leads me to these questions?
1. Do these clubs have there own league already?
2. Should they be included in the NRL (do they want to be?)
3. How do statuses compare (Junior Senior vs Senior A)?
4. What should be done with clubs that race Coastal and Regatta (eg
Exeter)?
5. Is there such a thing as a coastal head race?
6. How do these areas work with each other?
7. What is CARA?
And anything else you can think of.
Thanks for your help here.
Regards,
Pete
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almanac and how to convert them into regatta classes with respect to
the point system. I am afraid I have no idea how the rest of the system
works, but given its complexity a separate division would be
appropriate.
On a relate matter Pete, have you recieved results from Bewdley yet. I
phone last night and I was told that they had been sent but I did not
see them in the latest changes.
Alex Wilbey (wil...@hotmail.com)
David Biddulph
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> Can someone please explain to me how coastal rowing in the UK works. I
> am keen to allow the NRL to cater for all forms of rowing, but I just
> don't understand how it works.
>
> I have Hants & Dorset, WARA, Kent & Sussex & WAGS as 4 ARA divisions.
> But there seems to be a whole different boat class thing going on with
> Junior Senior, Senoir, Senior A etc.
>
> We've already said they would be included in the NRL, but it's looking
> technically quite difficult.
>
> This leads me to these questions?
>
> 1. Do these clubs have there own league already?
> 2. Should they be included in the NRL (do they want to be?)
> 3. How do statuses compare (Junior Senior vs Senior A)?
> 4. What should be done with clubs that race Coastal and Regatta (eg
> Exeter)?
> 5. Is there such a thing as a coastal head race?
> 6. How do these areas work with each other?
> 7. What is CARA?
>
> And anything else you can think of.
You'll find some info from CARA (which looks like Kent & Sussex in ARA
terms) at http://www.webco.fsnet.co.uk/, & an e-mail link. The H&DARA do
have their own league table [last year's at
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/david_biddulph/handdtab99.htm, this
year's (with one regatta to go) at
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/david_biddulph/handdtab00.htm].
WEARA's website (again with an e-mail address) is at
http://members.tripod.co.uk/weara/. WAGS is river-based, rather than
coastal.
Status translation for H&DARA & WEARA is covered in Appendix B to the ARA
rules of racing (page 323 in the Almanack).
--
David Biddulph
Rowing web pages at:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/david_biddulph/
http://www.biddulph.org.uk/
Tony Curran
I spent my formative rowing years with Westover and Poole rowing clubs of
the Hants and Dorset Rowing Association. Essentially you do not move up in
status till the start of the next season as you accumulate points towards
status championship. Only novice would move up after their first win - but I
believe this may have changed to three wins. At the end of the season, the
top two crews in each status represent their rowing association at the South
Coast Championships, which is a coming together of the three rowing
associations in the southern region, H&D, Coastal (Kent and Essex) and WERA.
As WERA use "river" boats its held at one of their venues evry other year, I
believe.
Junior status is that of crew after their novice win - status change in same
year. Junior/Senior is crew having had at least one Junior win. Senior is
crew having had at least one Junior/Senior win. Or this was the situation
when I rowed, there may have been some changes since.
There are Coastal head races. There used to be one at Southampton and
somewhere near Eastbourne. Also, Maidstone head had a Coatal event.
Tony
Ottawa RC
CARA is Canadian Amature Rowing Association!!
nationalro...@hotmail.com wrote in message
<8qs8ci$c7s$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>Can someone please explain to me how coastal rowing in the UK works. I
>am keen to allow the NRL to cater for all forms of rowing, but I just
>don't understand how it works.
>
>I have Hants & Dorset, WARA, Kent & Sussex & WAGS as 4 ARA divisions.
>But there seems to be a whole different boat class thing going on with
>Junior Senior, Senoir, Senior A etc.
>
>We've already said they would be included in the NRL, but it's looking
>technically quite difficult.
>
>This leads me to these questions?
>
>1. Do these clubs have there own league already?
>2. Should they be included in the NRL (do they want to be?)
>3. How do statuses compare (Junior Senior vs Senior A)?
>4. What should be done with clubs that race Coastal and Regatta (eg
>Exeter)?
>5. Is there such a thing as a coastal head race?
>6. How do these areas work with each other?
>7. What is CARA?
>
>And anything else you can think of.
>
>Thanks for your help here.
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Pete
>
>
Tony Curran
'86 I believe, in Dartmouth, I was on the line for the Senior final when my
crew decided there wasn't sufficient water under our boat so we got out.
Stood there in less than knee deep water but the officials made us get back
in and the race was called to the start. We got left behind a bit, we were
hoping to win.
Tony
Ottawa RC
Simon Blackburn wrote in message <8r605s$3eh$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>Hi
>> Can someone please explain to me how coastal rowing in the UK works. I
>> am keen to allow the NRL to cater for all forms of rowing, but I just
>> don't understand how it works.
>>
>> I have Hants & Dorset, WARA, Kent & Sussex & WAGS as 4 ARA divisions.
>"Kent & Sussex" trades as CARA (Coast Amateur Rowing Association).
>
>> But there seems to be a whole different boat class thing going on with
>> Junior Senior, Senoir, Senior A etc.
>There are 4 classes for coxed 4: Novice, Junior, "Junior-Senior" (i.e.
>intermediate with a stupid name) and Senior. There are 2 classes for sculls
>and coxless pairs: Junior, and Senior.
>
>> We've already said they would be included in the NRL, but it's looking
>> technically quite difficult.
>Give up now, you'll never mesh the two systems together....
>
>> 1. Do these clubs have there own league already?
>The following answers come from my experience rowing for Shoreham, who are
>in the CARA.
>Through June, July and August, CARA crews race each other at regattas
around
>the Kent and Sussex coast. There are several leagues at stake over the
>season. Crews pick up points for top 6 finishes and these points are
>accumulated and clubs compete for a junior aggregate, senior aggregate, and
>grand aggregate. At the same time, the winners of the races are picking up
>points towards the individual championships (e.g. the senior pairs
>championship, junior fours championship, etc.)
>The top two crews at Junior, Junior-Senior and Senior 4s level, based on
the
>"one point for a win" league, race agiant the top two crews from the WEARA
>and two from H&D for the right to be crowned "champion of the South Coast".
>The South Coast Championship was held last weekend in Appledore and was
>farcial, owing to shocking organisation by the WEARA.
>
>> 2. Should they be included in the NRL (do they want to be?)
>Possibly. e.g. Shoreham entered the hoRR last year, so picked up points.
>They also go to Bedford and some other Autumn regattas. But the vast
>majority of their racing is in the CARA league and so non-points scoring. I
>can't speak for whether they want to join or not.
>
>> 3. How do statuses compare (Junior Senior vs Senior A)?
>Pass! As a College rower at Cambridge, I have loads of experience (e.g.
>bumps) but NV ARA points! Similarly, last summer I rowed as a Coast novice
>despite having just come from the first division of the May bumps...
>
>> 4. What should be done with clubs that race Coastal and Regatta (eg
>> Exeter)?
>Again, pass.
>
>> 5. Is there such a thing as a coastal head race?
>Yes. Another example is Shoreham's Adur Head. Some coastal head races allow
>crews to enter in river 4s (and thus win easily)
>
>> 6. How do these areas work with each other?
>> 7. What is CARA?
>Answered above.
>
>www.coastalrowing.co.uk may help more.
>
>Now here comes the daft bit... first, ignore anything you know about the
ARA
>points system.
>In theory, your first race is as a novice, in which men race women (but not
>in mixed boats). If you win, and there are more than (?)6 crews in the
race,
>you become a junior and can't race novice again.
>When you win junior, however, you can carry on racing at junior until the
>end of the coastal season. At the start of the next season, you have to
race
>junior-senior.
>So: imagine a crew who win the first six races (of 11) of the junior men's
>races. Very rapidly, it gets to the stage where no other crews want to win:
>if they do, they'll start the following season as a Junior-senior and will
>be racing this crew that keeps beating them for another year! Far better to
>just let this crew that's beaten you a few times keep beating you until the
>end of the season, and then (as long as no one amazing turns up in the
>winter), win all the junior races the following season. So, crews which
>start getting better towards the end of the season will hold back and
cruise
>in second place rather than fight for first. And the crew that's won all
the
>races so far will, if they feel malicious, do their best to lose (they
don't
>care, they've already qualified for the end of season champiosnhip regatta)
>and thus make their opposition go up a status the following year.
>
>So, in summary, in some classes, the second half of the season is a joke.
>
>An even bigger joke is the South Coast Championship Regatta... but I'll let
>someone else who nearly sank at Appledore (or Swanage last year, or
Hastings
>in 97...) set that ball rolling
>
>Let me know if you've got any other questions.
>
>Simon
>
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