ROWING with Chondro Malacia????
Powerless
I have chronic Chondro Malacia, (Runner's Knee). I can NOT run.
I've been swimming distance for awhile now, but the pool I've using
is closing. I was thinking of trying a Rowing Machine.
Does anyone have any experience with Rowing Machines?? Especially
anyone with either Chondro Malacia, or any other chronic knee
difficulty, (the kind that prevents you from running).
Thanks in Advance
roscos
on hard roads when I was still growing. I row now for my school and
province in Ireland and I have no problems at all while rowing on water or
on Concept 2 Ergometers
"Powerless" <sox...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
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VSingh493
Hi,
I too had to quit running because of knee problems. I could barely walk after
some of the longer runs.
I have experienced zero pain or discomfort from the erg, in fact I would go so
far as to say it's better than running because it provides a total (upper and
lower body) workout. Running did nothing for my upper body.
I use a Concept 2 erg and am extremely happy with the machine.
Best of luck,
VS
Ewoud Dronkert
> I too had to quit running because of knee problems.
Fortunately not much running in golf :)
Bbal...@aol.com
I've had chronic knee problems for years, to the point of anything more then
a short jog being very painful. Cycling also tends to light my knees up, but
rowing and erging have been fine on the knees. From a medical standpoint, it
makes perfect sense that rowing/erging would not cause knee pain -- it's
non-weight baring. When you run, your joints experience up to 5 times your
bodyweight on foot strike -- ouch!
Rachel Blakeman. M.A., ATC
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mir
any fun. However, I had good results with a C2 for several years, until I
found that I couldn't row a daily 5k without my knees complaining - had to
limit rowing to alternate days, even at low damper settings. Recently, I
switched to a WaterRower, thinking that the lighter load at the catch
compared to the C2 would be easier on my knees. So far, so good: rowing
the same time and HR as on the C2, but every day with no complaints.
Mike
In article <r8ve5t0pcv10mpmmm...@4ax.com>,
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Deichhor
sound like yours is more severe than mine, however.
Good luck,
Dawn
Anu Dudhia
on this newsgroup have *no* knee problems and can run just fine. Or is
it just me, then?
ROWCHUCK
replacement. Because there is no shock load or jarring it has been good. It
is my belief that if standing is not a lrge problem then the erg should not be
either. Another advantage is that the knee is under stress for only about 33%
of the time, so during recovery there is a good chance to rest. I am not a
doctor only one who wants to keep the heart ad body in shape. Good luck
Robert Treharne Jones
are clear. If all the contributors do have true chondromalacia patellae then
erging should cause even more problems than running. This is because CMP is
a condition where the underside of the patella (kneecap) becomes roughened
and/or softened. Forced extension of the knee during any activity, rowing
included, drives the patella back into the lower end of the femur (thigh
bone) with a force estimated to be around twice the bodyweight at the catch.
If all the contributors have CMP you can imagine that rowing would still be
a problem.
What many people have is anterior knee pain, which is another problem
entirely, and can be due to a number of factors. Many doctors label anterior
knee pain as CMP, for whatever reason, and some people with anterior knee
pain will find rowing a lot easier on their knees than running. It sounds
like you all have anterior knee pain, rather than CMP.
Robert
Medical Editor, Regatta magazine.
Powerless
I have Chondro Malacia (CMP). I agree that a lot of people who talk
about knee pain, or "bad knees" have something other than CMP.
It occurs to me that in rowing, my knees are compressed, (during the
initial part of the "stroke"), and that when I extend my legs I'm
doing so against all my weight.
Could THAT cause a chondro flare up??
I'm aware that any kind of impact can irritate CMP. After I tried an
elliptical runner (no impact) I had a bad flare up. That's why I
considered rowing. I'm trying to figure out how/if that extension of
the legs against my weight will impact my CMP.
All thoughts are appreciated.
Simon2
people run every day with no ill effects, in fact some think running is good
for them. On the running NGs there is a steady thread of testimony from
individuals who found that altering their stride to land on the midsole of
the foot and then immediately rolling from heel to toe is better than
stretching the leading leg too far forward and landing on the heel of the
big fat wedgy runner (as the shape suggests one should).
The latter style if adopted actually stops your leg momentarily at extension
and your knees only fold one way.... normally. So that can hurt after a
while..... Follow your knees, don't reach with your feet.
Another possibility is that your body is not moving in a symmetrical linear
motion when you run, if one or both feet are not pointing straight ahead,
then you are pounding your weight on just one section of the cartilage in
your knee(s) and grinding as you twist the rest of your body back in line
for the next step.
The rowing machine locks your feet in line with your knees and hips and so
what force is applied is distributed more evenly across the joints. I too
experience no knee problem on the CII, which I took up following knee pain
from running.
I am reading a book by a guy called Egoscue who reckons we should cure our
pains through appropriate exercises to realign the joints so our muscles can
work properly. This includes knee pain and slipped disc, sciatica etc. For
my sins I suffered back pain on the erg, so I am happy to listen to rational
advice from different sources, and what he suggests is true for me, I am not
as bilateral as I should be. I blame the sweep rowing of course, but I can't
swim so solo sculling is probably not the first choice for me.
I find his theory simple and in view of the common back pain rowers and
ergers seem to experience
I think it is worthwhile checking out his site. To make it difficult, I
won't include the link, so as not to be accused of commercial interest and
so you gotta search for it if you are interested.
Martin.
"Robert Treharne Jones" <tjwi...@eclipse.co.uk> wrote in message
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Katy Cameron
now they make a lovely 'snap, crackle and pop' noise when I crouch
down/stand up again! Also I discovered that half marathons weren't very
good for them either...
KT
Freewheeling
I no longer run due to knee problems, but haven't any idea what CMP is. The
pain I have running is on the outer/front of the knee and feels like a
stabbing pain after a few miles. It gets progressively worse the more I run
until at some point I have to just stop and walk. I have taken up cycling,
and now ride a recumbent bike for at least 2000 miles per season. Because
the pedaling action in recumbent cycling presses against the back of the
seat as the counterforce, similar to doing leg presses, then the natural
"safety valve" of simply lifting yourself off the seat on a regular upright
bike is not an option. People generally tend to have more knee problems on
a recumbent because of this characteristic. I have found that a very
precise adjustment of the seat is necessary to avoid the problem, and no
rarely have knee pain even on very long fast rides of 100 miles.
I took up erging about a year ago because I figured that cycling, especially
recumbent cycling, is moribund above the waist. However, I do have a bit
more knee pain from rowing, than I did in cycling... probably because the
range of motion for the knee is greater in rowing. In cycling we use a rule
of thumb that pain at the back of the knee is indicative of hyperextension
cause by having the pedal distance too long, while pain at the front is
generally caused by a pedal distance that is too short. A change by a much
as 1/4th inch can lead to a change in symptoms. On the erg I find that pain
is lessened if I restrict the range of motion of my knee so I avoid
straightening the knee at the back of the stroke, and am careful not to go
to far forward at the catch. I should say that knee problems are not great
in any case, but unlike cycling or running I have some pain and discomfort
on the inside front of the knee, as well as behind the knee. I suspect that
most of this is muscular, so should eventually go away once I am in better
condition for some of these longer erg sessions, and once my form gets a
little more refined.
Overall, I have considerably less knee pain and discomfort in recumbent
cycling and erging compared to what I experienced running. This has to be
because neither is a weight bearing activity. But, I also think the range
of motion on an erg could be a problem for some of us... and perhaps
conditioning and training could help. One of the things often discussed in
the recumbent cycling newsgroup is the tendency for muscles to achieve
conditioning faster than ligaments and other connective tissue, so there is
a tendency to overdue things because you "feel" strong. It takes a long
time to condition the knee well for these activities, and probably a good
deal longer than it takes to condition the performance muscles and
respiratory system. What do you think? Any special tips for erging?
--
-Scott
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Adam Holland
However, I have been rowing with incipient chrondomalacia (really) most of
my career, and the thing is to find out why you have it. However, when you
do have it, especially badly, rowing will be just as painful as anything
else.
As mentioned below, it is a roughening of the interior cartilaginous
surfaces of the knee. If you can find out what is causing the roughening,
you will then be able to mitigate it through therapy and after rest, may be
able to resume a range of activities, including running.
Talk to a chiropractor, massage therapist etc, to see if there may be some
sort of structural imbalance in your knee(s)
Adam
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carl
> I have knee problems also but my problems started from erging. I myself can not erg or run so I don't suggest you do any erging
>
that it affects principally the users of static, but not of dynamic, ergs.
The problem is that it is all too easy to slam towards frontstops,
leaving the knee joint to act as an energy & shock absorber. In a boat
or dynamic erg the body is not moving and reversing in direction at the
ends of the stroke. Instead the boat is reciprocating wrt the rower, so
you don't have to slow yourself & your body's considerable mass at the
catch, & there is no need or temptation to let the unprepared knee-joint
take the strain - which it does in ways not always conducive to its health.
Cheers -
Carl
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