Prep not going to Henley
John Fife
The St. Joseph's Prep V8 is now not going to Henley. On thursday, we
got the O.K. from the school, then on Friday, our coxswain, decides that
that is not how he wants to spend his senior summer. He didn't tell his
boatmates this, he won't answer his phone or return phone calls. He is
nothing but a LOSER. He is no "Man for Others", for he has destroyed
the dream of 8 guys in that eight who desperately wanted to go to
Henley. I hope he has fun this summer at our expense. I am truly sorry
that he was part of our boat this year and apologize to our other
coxswains who would have killed to have this chance. When I look back
at our boat this year, it will with shame because of this
pathetic-excuse for a man.
Good luck to all crews competing in the PE Cup, and Youth Invitationals!
John Fife
stroke, SJP V8
Todd P. Kennelly
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On 01-Jun-97 03:52:03, John Fife, posted the following::
JF> The St. Joseph's Prep V8 is now not going to Henley. On thursday, we
JF> got the O.K. from the school, then on Friday, our coxswain, decides that
JF> that is not how he wants to spend his senior summer. He didn't tell his
JF> boatmates this, he won't answer his phone or return phone calls. He is
JF> nothing but a LOSER. He is no "Man for Others", for he has destroyed
JF> the dream of 8 guys in that eight who desperately wanted to go to
JF> Henley. I hope he has fun this summer at our expense. I am truly sorry
JF> that he was part of our boat this year and apologize to our other
JF> coxswains who would have killed to have this chance. When I look back
JF> at our boat this year, it will with shame because of this
JF> pathetic-excuse for a man.
John,
Life is choices, he made his. Now why don't the rest of you make another
choice and _choose_ a new cox'n? The JV might have one you could use. ;-)
who will probably become the 1st. boat cox'n next year anyway, right?
Cheers, Todd K. (Tabor MV8 Henley cox'n 1976)
(...lost to Stan Bergmans great Holy Spirit crew in the Semi Finals)
....you can't win 'em all. but you can try like hell.
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In article , Alpha says...
>
>Then why don't you guys just get one of the other coxes to cox you
>instead??
>
I would go over to that coxswains house drown him in the river.
PeterD2562
I deeply regret that Prep won't be attending Jr. Nationals @ Cincinnati.
I was looking forward to racing them. It is too bad that someone isn't
willing to sacrifice their summer to race at great competitions such as
Cincinnati and HENLEY... What is he thinking, I would die to race at
Henley....
Peter Davidson
GLC V8+
Alpha Lau
SJPCrew
In article <1719.7090...@CapeCod.net>, To...@CapeCod.net says...
>John,
>
>Life is choices, he made his. Now why don't the rest of you make another
>choice and _choose_ a new cox'n? The JV might have one you could use.
;-)
>who will probably become the 1st. boat cox'n next year anyway, right?
>
>
> Cheers, Todd K. (Tabor MV8 Henley cox'n 1976)
> (...lost to Stan Bergmans great Holy Spirit crew in the Semi Finals)
>
>....you can't win 'em all. but you can try like hell.
Believe me that if it were that simple, we would replace the cox and go.
And I thought it was until speaking with my coach last night and learning
that, in addition to the cox, one oarsman went behind closed doors to an
administrator and said he did not want to go. Whoever it was destroyed the
dreams of the teammates who helped win him a Gold medal at Stotes and
Nationals and is a fraud for fooling an entire team as to his dedication to
this sport, this school, this team, and to this boat. Quite a contradiction
to the "men for others" that this school prides itself on raising.
My apologies to those who hoped to race us in England and wherever else...
We wanted it more than anyone (at least 7 of us). Good luck to the American
competitors (St. Andrew's and Tarbon, I believe).
Al Garfall
Bow, SJP V8
P.S. To our cox, if he's out there, return my damn phone call.
P.P.S. Good Luck Crescent B.C. Juniors
thebat
SJPCrew wrote:
> Believe me that if it were that simple, we would replace the cox and go.
> And I thought it was until speaking with my coach last night and learning
> that, in addition to the cox, one oarsman went behind closed doors to an
> administrator and said he did not want to go. Whoever it was destroyed the
> dreams of the teammates who helped win him a Gold medal at Stotes and
> Nationals and is a fraud for fooling an entire team as to his dedication to
> this sport, this school, this team, and to this boat. Quite a contradiction
> to the "men for others" that this school prides itself on raising.
Here it is: NO ONE believes that with ALL the HOARDS of Prep boats, and
the ten or so launches parading up and down the Schuylkill every morning
and afternoon, that you couldn't find another bungie cord and a right
foot with a mouth to act as fill-ins to go race at any regatta for the
next _ten_ years. And then have spares to spare to go (really) along
for the ride
It must be amazing: to see what you see...to think what you think...
In your "motto", you all refer to yourselves as "men for others". Let
me put this as simply as I can, in terms which may appeal to you: I know
younger females who whine less about a lot more. (That was as PC as I
could handle given teh circumstances).
Alistair James Potts
No wonder your poor coxswain doesn't want to come to Henley. It's no
wonder he didn't tell you about his decision - yet although the chance to
humiliate him privately has gone, you've decided your revenge is best
served by publicly castigating him.
I wouldn't go either with someone who has such a low opinion of their
fellow crew-members.
LEONG
: On 01-Jun-97 03:52:03, John Fife, posted the following::
: JF> The St. Joseph's Prep V8 is now not going to Henley. On thursday, we
: JF> got the O.K. from the school, then on Friday, our coxswain, decides that
: JF> that is not how he wants to spend his senior summer. He didn't tell his
: JF> boatmates this, he won't answer his phone or return phone calls. He is
: JF> nothing but a LOSER. He is no "Man for Others", for he has destroyed
cor..... the cox doesn't know what he's about to miss. but i am sure loads
of people would like to cox you. don't cancel the whole thing because of
one loser.
--
LEONG
email : S.L...@durham.ac.uk
http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d3frkj/
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/9588
John Fife
gdoyle wrote:
>
> In article <3390AB...@erols.com>, John says...
> >
> >The St. Joseph's Prep V8 is now not going to Henley. On thursday, we
> >
> >Good luck to all crews competing in the PE Cup, and Youth Invitationals!
> >
> >John Fife
> >stroke, SJP V8
>
>
> All of us online now have a clear idea of who indeed, in your boat, is
> a *loser*. Your post revealed that perfectly. Your coxswain made
> his unpopular decision in private, sharing it only with those whom it
> affected. You have, perhaps, shown exactly why he made this decision.
>
> And some advice for your coxswain: in no way, shape, or form, cox this
> boat of tools. Let some other 'lucky' soul be the pissboy.
>
> Greg Doyle
> Philadelphia, Pa.
> gdo...@dynanet.com
>
>Greg,
You have truly shown your IGNORANCE to the matter before us. Our
coxswain never told us, the members of the boat, what he was doing and
still has yet to talk to us.
And as far as for why he made his decision, it is because he didn't want
to commit to Henley during his "Senior summer" so in turn he stabbed us
in the back so he can party this summer!
Greg, you should learn all of the facts before you make a judgment on me
or my boatmates. For we are winners and what are you?
James Moore
John Fife (jcr...@erols.com) wrote:
Why I feel the need to contribute to this is beyond me, but for some reason I do.
First, it is unfortunate that the Prep is not going to Henley. It is a special place
and a unique and treasured racing environment. That said, going there with a thrown
together crew that is not your best boat and not the best possible representation
of your school is wrong. It sucks to lose early and sit around drinking Pims (or for
those under age - whatever). I can understand how Mr. Fife feels let down, bitter, or
angry with his boatmates.
On the other hand, the trip is expensive in terms of money, time, and foregone
opportunities. My understanding is that one of the boat who chose not to go did so
largely for financial reasons - he is going to an Ivy League school in the fall and
his parents expect him to work this summer to assist in paying his tuition and
expenses.
If St. Joe's motto is "Men for others" it appears both sides have some work to do in
living up to it. Mr. Fife, for choosing this public forum for venting his anger,
frustration, and bitterness and not seeking to understand the reasons of those
others. And those who decided not to row but chose not to tell their teammates
first.
I recall in college a teammate of mine quitting between Sprints and IRA's. He was in
tears telling the rest of us in the boat that his heart just wasn't in it. It hurt
all of us in the boat, but noone could dare question his courage and integrity. It is
noble to be a "man for others" but first you've got to be a man for yourself.
--
Jim
gdoyle
In article <339461...@erols.com>, John says...
But you do in fact know he has made this decision. I put forth that it
has INDEED been *shared* with you and the others it affected. Had you
not presented the issue as a *gift* to r.s.r., we would not have to
endure your "Days of Our Lives" pathetic plot.
>And as far as for why he made his decision, it is because he didn't want
>to commit to Henley during his "Senior summer" so in turn he stabbed us
>in the back so he can party this summer!
He has the right to do whatever he wants, though you seem to think
otherwise. Besides in a program as *deep* and *rich* as yours, I am
sure you could find another coxswain or two. Truth be known, your
coach pulled the plug rather than make substitutions following the
questionable disputes---and that was HIS choice.
>Greg, you should learn all of the facts before you make a judgment on me
>or my boatmates. For we are winners and what are you?
>
>John Fife
>stroke, SJP V8
Yes indeed, rest easy young warrior, for you have truly slain the great
*scholastic* dragons of the day. Society will bow before your feet, heaping
praise and adoration upon you. Never again will you have to wait in long
lines at the supermarket. As a high school chump, er, champ, you will
have the pick of all that you desire. No more income taxes, no bills, no
rent. Just sit back and all of us subservient little non high-school
chumps, er, champs, will rush to grab the honor of rubbing your johnson.
......NOT!......
Some advice John: sit back and take a load off, particularly the one
occupying the area above your shoulders.
Cheerio! (oops, insensitive stereotypic British salution....)
Greg Doyle
Philadelphia, Pa.
gdo...@dynanet.com
PS-The address in the header is not mine. It is that of King Spamalot
Sanford Wallace, who routinely rakes the usenet postings searching for
email addresses to send his ejunk. This should keep his spamming software
amused.
FATHERHAWK
Why is it that these Drexel guys love attacking the Prep? Is it because
they row for an inferior program that can't hang with a highschool?
Dan Kilpatrick SJP '94
SLLOYD
What's with all this bashing of secondary-school rowers? Did you
have a bad high-school experience or something? Or did you spring
full-blown from the head of some god and never experience adolescence
yourself? Geez, allow the kid to take some well-deserved pride in a
great accomplishment.
Smithgroup
Listen Doyle, you fucking faggot, what the hell do you know about the
rights, privledges, and obligations to being in the PREP'S V8 ---- a hint
- Nothing!!!
When your in this boat and it wins the races it sets out to do each year,
you are a part of whatever plans the boat makes for its future, whether
England or Cincy!
And to sell out your friends, and brothers so you can drink yourself in to
a gutter for three months instead of two, there's something wrong with
you. Who do row for anyway?? That joke school Slower Merion or
something??
Mike Smith
Prep V8, 5-seat
Jennifer Ann Warren
I think we have all have heard enough of this hostility. You all haev a
right to be angry but do not think this will be the last downfall of your
rowing career. We have all experienced situations similar to yours with
people quitting and not even enough to fill a boat that was winning. But
if you hold your head up high and proud of your accomplishment and put
your frustration in the water and move on. Do you really want two people
in your boat who do not want to be there and have been bullied into
staying-NO you will not win! As others have siad it seems like if you
haev such a strong program and if teh school really wanted you to go you
would have alternates especially if someone was injured or sick. If your
coach does not want to replace those people then maybe you should be upset
at that and not other people's decisions. If you expect to row in college
you better get over this now or otherwise everything down the road you
will let effect you, your rowing, and your boat.
jen
gdoyle
In article <19970604114...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, smith...@aol.com says...
>
>Listen Doyle, you fucking faggot, what the hell do you know about the
>rights, privledges, and obligations to being in the PREP'S V8 ---- a hint
>- Nothing!!!
My, my, my.....the language they teach you in Catholic schools these
days. Mommy and Daddy (and Jesus) would be quite sad.
>When your in this boat and it wins the races it sets out to do each year,
>you are a part of whatever plans the boat makes for its future, whether
>England or Cincy!
Look Mein Fuhrer, don't think you own anyone in your boat. The reason
you're fast (if indeed you are) is because of the individuals in each
seat---all NINE of them---but you can't force someone to continue beyond
their wishes. I can't imagine you'd want to anyway---their heart would
not be in it.
>And to sell out your friends, and brothers so you can drink yourself in to
>a gutter for three months instead of two, there's something wrong with
>you. Who do row for anyway?? That joke school Slower Merion or
>something??
>
>Mike Smith
>Prep V8, 5-seat
Well now, daisies, y'all better get your stories straight. First we hear
the kid has to earn money for college, then we're told he was too old for
the Princess Elizabeth Cup anyway, and now you claim he's a blossoming
alcoholic. Maybe you guys aren't as bright as you think. Even kids from
those dumber schools can tell the same tale.
And who do I row for?.......well......I row for.......me. Seat-racing
was tough.....I almost beat me......
I'm well beyond those wonder years, skippy. In fact, I've got my tenth
reunion coming up. I'll be taking my single along to singe the waters
of Noxontown Pond. It should be a blast, though I will be homesick
for Philly and one of those huge wakes your hapless coaching staff
throws up with annoying frequency.
Greg Doyle
My Single, 1-seat
gdo...@dynanet.com
PS-The address in the header is not mine. It is that of King Spamalot
Sanford Wallace, who routinely rakes the usenet postings for email
addresses to send his ejunk. This should amuse his spamming software.
gdoyle
In article <19970604004...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, fathe...@aol.com says...
>
>Why is it that these Drexel guys love attacking the Prep? Is it because
>they row for an inferior program that can't hang with a highschool?
>Dan Kilpatrick SJP '94
Why, oh why, is that these nimrods love attacking the post's domain
name, rather than the individual who irked them? Is is because they
don't have anything clever to say?
By the way, lightbulb, the individual who got your tutu in a bind
doesn't row for Drexel, who did quite well at the Dad Vails, contrary to
your deprecative remarks.
Greg Doyle
Dynanet College of the Frickin' Obvious
gdo...@dynanet.com
PS-The address in the header is not mine. It is that of King Spamalot
Sanford Wallace, who routinely rakes the usenet posts for email addresses
to send his ejunk. This should keep his spamming software busy.
Voodoo
Smithgroup wrote:
>
> Listen Doyle, you fucking faggot, what the hell do you know about the
> rights, privledges, and obligations to being in the PREP'S V8 ---- a hint
Such a horrible mouth on a Catholic school boy. I hope you don't kiss
your mother with it.
> When your in this boat and it wins the races it sets out to do each year,
> you are a part of whatever plans the boat makes for its future, whether
So, if we go by your way of thinking, perhaps you kids (yes, kids)
should not go to college, and stay at PennAC and row together for the
rest of your lives. Life is full of choices, some good, some bad.
> England or Cincy!
I've known such an event to happen in college, at my school, and at
another. We didn't stay together, nor did all of us want to go to the
Henley. We ended up going (with different guys), and did fairly well.
But at another school, they didn't go (one guy said he didn't want to),
they waited, and went the next year. By then, they were faster, and
probably did better than the year before.
You have the rest of your life to live, and row.
High School IS NOT IMPORTANT in the real world.
> And to sell out your friends, and brothers so you can drink yourself in to
> a gutter for three months instead of two, there's something wrong with
> you.
Another bad Prep kid. Don't you know tht drinking is both illegal, and
can inhibit your rowing skills?
When I was at the Henley several years ago, there was a high school kid
that was really drunk from Sarasota Scullers (WAY faster than the Prep
is). It just so happens that his coach was contacted by the Stewards,
and he was sent home before the races even started. I also think he was
going to going to Princeton, but I'm not sure but I believe that Curtis
didn't want him after that. This should teach you not to drink (of
course I drink, but I'm old enough, and faster than you).
Who do row for anyway?? That joke school Slower Merion or
> something??
>
> Mike Smith
> Prep V8, 5-seat
This isn't a high school thing. We are adults, and I'm sure that Mr.
Doyle could give your eight a fairly good fight in his single. For that
very impressive high school crew that can race a whole 1500m. Remember,
if you went to Henley, you would have been racing about 750m. further.
Do you think that you could do it? Or is that too hard Mr. 5-seat
<---This kids in the engine room (what a joke).
If you want to know who I am (and if I truely am faster, and can pull
harder), ask some of your Alumni from the class of 90,91, or 94 who
Elvis is.
See you later "tough guy"!
Jim Hilsenteger
I'm sorry for your circumstances concerning Henley this year.
However, is your varsity boat still planning on racing this weekend at
Cincinnati. Your boat was obviously the class of the east and us west
coasties would like to see how we stack up.
My club is only taking our boys 4+ (we got third in the 8+ in our
region) but it would be great to see you race Green Lake and St.
Ignatius of California (not the same St. Ignatius that raced at Stotes).
Oh, how do you compare to the New England prep-types (i.e. St. Paul's
since Tabor is not attending this weekend)??
Hope to see your boat in a few days in Ohio.
--
Jim Hilsenteger
Oregon Rowing Unlimited/Oaks Park
hi...@teleport.com
"Life is too long for bad coffee"
Decklin
Mike
Don't take this the wrong way....I am not defending Greg Doyle, but I
think you are belittling all of the accomplishments you achieved during
the 1997-98 season. I know you are pissed at your cox......but it seems
to me there are other reasons for you not going to Henley. Why doesn't
the team simply use the cox from the JV 8, or the lightweight 8, or the
midweight 8 or the 2nd 8........and so on.
Using profanity is not going to get your message heard......it just makes
the Prep look BAD. And for Greg Doyle......don't let him get to you. The
guy has too much time on his hands.
Paul
1987 Prep-Stotesbury Cup
Oh.....By the way, Greg.....you have now gone from fighting national team
members to highschool students.......are 6th graders next?
Jeremy Fagan
On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, John Fife wrote:
:Talk about being bitter...sorry about the water in your boat.
:Again...it seems to me that you are still unaware as to the facts.
:Perhaps if you had actually read what I posted you migh be better
:informed. The school called us late Thursday night to let us know we
:were going to Henley. This was after we had two meetings...one with
:parents, one without. These were to discuss our committment to the
:situation...and if anyone did not feel right about it they were to speak
:up then. But instead...two of our "boatmates" went behind our back and
:told the administration that they didn't want to go. I think this is
:known as cowardice!
: As far as being forced to read our "pathetic plot", no one has
:put a gun to your head and forced you to read and respond to it. And as
:far as your recomendation for rest my head...it is noted. But perhaps
:you should wipe the *salt* off of your shoulders! I don't know what you
:have amounted to in rowing (obviously not much) for you have nothing
:better to do than whine about successful high school oarsmen.
:
:John
:
Why do you continue to insist that the rest of the world should give a
blind, flying f*** about the bollox that you arrogant little s***s speak.
To be perfectly honest with you, I'm bloody glad that peasants such as
yourselves are not coming to Henley this year. We're probably a darn sight
better off without you.
Keep your petty internal wrangling to yourselves. You don't see ridiculous
arguments about Oxford rowing on here, nor do I whinge when my crews don't
go so well. If you've only got eight decent rowers and one decent cox,
then your rowing programme's obviously toss.
Cheerio, old chap.
Jeremy
(going to Henley, so see you there. Or maybe not... :-) )
Greg
we should rename the news group rec.sport.preprowing
John Fife
> email addresses to send his ejunk. This should keep his spamming software
FATHERHAWK
Who is this Greg Doyle guy, and why is he such a ball breaker?
quar...@ermine.ox.ac.uk
I hear on the grapevine that as an alternative to competing at that tiny
provincial regatta in Henley-on-Thames during the first week of July, St.
Joseph's Prep have decided instead to hold behavioural seminars back at
their home educational institution. The provisional timetable follows.
July 2nd 11 am Introduction to "Crew Psychology" part I.
2 pm Introduction to ATT and use of the Telephone.
July 3rd 10 am Use of the Caps Lock Key in Spam Newsposts.
1 pm "Control-Alt-Delete" or "oh bugger my PC's
crashed during news access again" discussion
of the Microsoft Three-Finger Salute.
5 pm Conference wine and cheese party for all delegates
and slide show on "Spamming for Beginners".
July 4th 9 am Jumping the Start Support Group for beleagured
coaches. Anonymity ensured. Bring a balaclava.
2 pm "Flame Tests" presentation, subtitled "Why you
should not answer "yes" when asked if your reply
should include the entire text of the previous
message." Fire extinguishers required.
2 pm alternative
"Deleting's for sissies", lecture given by
Professor Ernest MacHoism. In the M. Hormone
Lechure Theatre.
July 5th 11 am "Why people under 5 foot 7 are always wrong"
talk by Dr. Billy Bowman.
1 pm Refutation to the above as a question and
answer session, given by Dr. A. Stringpuller.
4 pm Tea and doughnuts hosted by the We Love Our Cox
Association of America.
July 6th Final Day "A Virtual Tour of the River Thames" morning
session, with the alternative "Crew Psychology
part II: One for All and All for a Win" slide
show of medals and trophy regalia in the
Multimedia Hall. Replica lineup sheets available
on payment of a small fee, also virtual Henley
medals painstakingly crafted in handcast resin.
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Trevor Chambers
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Charles Wingate
Like Mr. Moore, I'm wondering why I'm opening my big mouth, but the
latest round from the British contingent is really too much.
In case the brits haven't figured this out: going to Henley is a Big
Deal for an american high school crew. It involves such minor expenses
as airfare, meals, and lodging for both the crew and the boat. I can
understand that the kids are upset because one of them deep-sixed the
idea behind their backs, although I can wish with the rest of us that
they hadn't made a worldwide gripefest out of it.
It hardly reflects well on the brits that they choose to mock this so,
especially since for at least two of them the trip is a matter of a few
hours drive rather than a intercontinental flight. Calling them
"peasants" in particular is a snotty bit of name calling.
Wouldn't "Sorry you won't be there" have been an adequate response?
C. Wingate (go SAS!)
lap...@mindspring.com
>Like Mr. Moore, I'm wondering why I'm opening my big mouth, but the
>latest round from the British contingent is really too much.
>
>In case the brits haven't figured this out: going to Henley is a Big
>Deal for an american high school crew. It involves such minor expenses
>as airfare, meals, and lodging for_ both the crew and the boat_.
SNIP
Frankly, although expenses do mount for the crew, I have found that
rates in Henley for meals and lodging for boats to be extremely
reasonable. I remember our Karlisch eight doing quite well on whatever
it was able to forage at night in the boat tent. =^)
>It hardly reflects well on the brits that they choose to mock this so,
>especially since for at least two of them the trip is a matter of a few
>hours drive rather than a intercontinental flight. Calling them
>"peasants" in particular is a snotty bit of name calling.
>
>Wouldn't "Sorry you won't be there" have been an adequate response?
>
>C. Wingate (go SAS!)
As for who is being "snotty" in this thread, I just won't go there.
Jeremy Fagan
On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Charles Wingate wrote:
:Like Mr. Moore, I'm wondering why I'm opening my big mouth, but the
:latest round from the British contingent is really too much.
:
:In case the brits haven't figured this out: going to Henley is a Big
:Deal for an american high school crew. It involves such minor expenses
:as airfare, meals, and lodging for both the crew and the boat. I can
:understand that the kids are upset because one of them deep-sixed the
:idea behind their backs, although I can wish with the rest of us that
:they hadn't made a worldwide gripefest out of it.
OK, sure, yes. I'm even envious that you skip the qualifying rounds. But
to whinge about it in front of the entire rowing world, when at the end of
the day, a couple of subs would solve the problem, well, that's taking the
whole thing too far. And to then call someone else a loser, when he tries
to reply humorously, and in fact, to insult everyone who tries to look at
it neutrally, well, I'm sorry. It's just not British, dammit.
And in case you hadn't noticed, I was taking the piss in my last posting.
But I do dislike snotty children.
:-)
Jeremy
:
:It hardly reflects well on the brits that they choose to mock this so,
:especially since for at least two of them the trip is a matter of a few
:hours drive rather than a intercontinental flight. Calling them
:"peasants" in particular is a snotty bit of name calling.
:
:Wouldn't "Sorry you won't be there" have been an adequate response?
:
:C. Wingate (go SAS!)
:
:
--------------------------------
Racing without pain isn't racing
gdoyle
In article <19970604213...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, dec...@aol.com says...
>
> {snip}
>
>And for Greg Doyle......don't let him get to you. The
>guy has too much time on his hands.
Well, there's an original statement! ;-)
....If I had a nickel everytime I heard that......
>Oh.....By the way, Greg.....you have now gone from fighting national team
>members to highschool students.......are 6th graders next?
Actually, I fail to see the progession of intellect in your comparisons. I
would rate some of John Fife's posts above those flung by several
older readers. Aside from the disparaging zingers, he attempted to defend
his stance and undermine that of his opponents.
Greg Doyle
Philadelphia, Pa.
gdo...@dynanet.com
PS-The address in the header is not mine. It is that of King Spamalot
Sanford Wallace, who routinely rakes the usenet postings for email
addresses to send his ejunk. This should amuse his spamming software.
gdoyle
In article <3395E2...@erols.com>, John says...
>Talk about being bitter...sorry about the water in your boat.
I forgive you......How grand of me.......
>Again...it seems to me that you are still unaware as to the facts.
>Perhaps if you had actually read what I posted you migh be better
>informed. The school called us late Thursday night to let us know we
>were going to Henley. This was after we had two meetings...one with
>parents, one without. These were to discuss our committment to the
>situation...and if anyone did not feel right about it they were to speak
>up then. But instead...two of our "boatmates" went behind our back and
>told the administration that they didn't want to go. I think this is
>known as cowardice!
And this would be different from publicly humiliating your coxswain
rather than finding him and talking face-to-face?
> As far as being forced to read our "pathetic plot", no one has
>put a gun to your head and forced you to read and respond to it.
No, but you suckered us in. The first posts about going to Henley were
harmless. People were happy for you. Then you started to get rude about
the coxswain and the tide turned. Public opinion is usually fickle on
just about everything here, but you managed to truly disgust some
people when you lambasted the kid.
>And as
>far as your recomendation for rest my head...it is noted. But perhaps
>you should wipe the *salt* off of your shoulders!
I can't----the chip is in the way......
>I don't know what you
>have amounted to in rowing (obviously not much)
Currently I amount to 150 lbs. (68 kg), give or take an Oreo. But if
you're referring to rewards/awards, well...I have more than my share (and
I'm not just talking spiritual, here....). And probably to your dismay,
my collection of sparklies keeps on growing, year after year. But don't
worry, yours will too, if you're as good as you tell us.
>for you have nothing
>better to do than whine about successful high school oarsmen.
I whine not about your successes, for they are admirable. I chastise you
for how you have treated a fellow team member and how you have responded
to his unpopular choice. You just swallowed the bait and decided to get
nasty, which as many know, is my favorite pasttime. But I don't hold
grudges; I just return fire.
Good luck in your future success, John. May they be fulfilling. And may
any failures be equally enriching, for that is occasionally where valuable
lessons are learned.
Decklin
Has the "Authority on Rowing".......the "Zeus of Boat House Row", The
"Jack Kelly of Philadelphia" finally met his match.....Stay Tuned Rowing
Fans for the exciting episode of....."Greg Doyle fights off sinister
roller bladers on Kelly Drive!" Good Battle Greg. Best of Luck.
lab...@fas.harvard.edu
Charles Wingate wrote:
>
> Like Mr. Moore, I'm wondering why I'm opening my big mouth, but the
> latest round from the British contingent is really too much.
>
> It hardly reflects well on the brits that they choose to mock this so,
> especially since for at least two of them the trip is a matter of a few
> hours drive rather than a intercontinental flight. Calling them
> "peasants" in particular is a snotty bit of name calling.
>
Dude, like, you're reinforcing that, you know, Euro stereotype, that we like,
don't get subtle humour, y'know?
Like, I thought it was pretty funny myself.
Lates bro!
Starboard5
Mr. Fife- You could encounter the problem a Spirit rower recently came
across. Had this incident happened to you there would be much more to
worry about then whether or not your boat is going to Henley. As for that
problem you will have to ask Skey at Jr. Nat'l Camp.
CDCCrawf
greg doyle is a woman.
I know, as Iooked into it after I couldn't believe the post that I read
about a "nefarious pretty boy wake king" comment that was directed at my
friend and fellow coach. Also written in the post was the comment, "that
the coach who didn't put in as much effort as other coaches quoted later"
in an 'Inquirer Article' proves once again that the keyboard is as dumb as
the stroker behind it. The obvious bad attempt to lamblast Bill Lamb is
out of line. The reason he is a winner is because he works harder than any
other high school coach and is paid a stipend that equates with the lower
echelon of h.s. coaches. He earns about one eighth of what Gavin White is
paid at Temple. I know that Bill Lamb put in more man hours than any other
h.s. coach in the country bar none, so don't even consider responding to
that statement.
I would also like to comment on posts from Prep oarsmen that are angry
with the decision made for them not to go to Henley this year. Let it go,
you are faster than all of the competition that you faced this year. The
unknown quantity out there doesn't matter and just wasn't meant to be this
year, so just relax, enjoy your summer and get preared for your next
season. If you are going on to college, you will face new and far more
reaching challenges; if you are returning to the Prep, then staying on top
of the hill is as tough or tougher than getting there.
High school rowing is a wonderful thing. There are a lot of good oarsmen
that will be reaching for the goals of making it to the pinnacle of h.s.
rowing next year. I hope that you all enjoy the time you spend in the
boats and are content that you have put forth an effort that you are
satisfied with your results. Remember that some are more fortunate than
others in the results, but that doesn't mean that the efforts given were
any less by the less fortunate. Let's be humble and still enjoy the
successes of good clean competition. That is the most important part of
rowing.
Chuck Crawford
Asst Coach, Prep Crew
chris harrison
Charles Wingate wrote:
> Wouldn't "Sorry you won't be there" have been an adequate response?
Only if "We're sorry we won't be going" had been the original comment.
--
chris harrison.
ic-parc, william penney laboratory, imperial college, london, sw7 2az.
http://www-icparc.doc.ic.ac.uk/~cah1/
Decklin
To: Chuck Crawford
CC: Bill Lamb
Great response! I wish these kids had a crystal ball to see into the
future. Collegiate rowing is a far greater challenge than Highschool.
You should sit the 1997 Crew down and tell them the story of your 1987 V8.
There are always disappointments and failures in rowing, but those
failures just make the next vistory that much sweeter.
Prep rowing is a great tradition and will always be a special part of all
who leave the program. Chuck, if these kids have doubts.....have them
call me. It has done amazing things for me. A big part of that
experience comes from the coaches. The staff at the Prep is outstanding.
Bill, Chuck and the rest of the staff go far beyond just teaching these
kids how to row......Bill Lamb or Chuck Crawford could coach and be very
successful at any EARC school. Great Job this year....looking forward to
next season.
Oh....by the Greg "the Zeusof Boathouse row" Doyle.....how is your fight
with the roller bladers on Kelly Drive. Did you verbally destroy them
yet? I guess....another day another time....huh?
Paul Erfle
Blaine Castle
Charles Wingate <cwin...@clientservers.com> wrote:
>Like Mr. Moore, I'm wondering why I'm opening my big mouth, but the
>latest round from the British contingent is really too much.
>Deal for an american high school crew.
members did
not make the summer boat, so no Henley for them. My crew will have to go
through the
Qualifying Races, at which we may fail. Perhaps no Henley for us either.
You will see
no posts complaining that the water was wet if we watch the regatta from
the bank.
>they (St Joseph's Prep V8) ... made a worldwide gripefest out of it.
>It hardly reflects well on the brits that they choose to mock this so..
^^^^
'This' mocking of Prep is based on their "worldwide gripefest" as you
put it.
No-one has made the school/crew and their unfortunate situation a target
for virtual abuse. The individual and his unique style of dealing with
the
situation is wide open for attack, because he choose a public medium in
which
to complain.
Censure of "the brits" is not on old chap, the newsgroup is a
free-for-all.
>Wouldn't "Sorry you won't be there" have been an adequate response?
In this instance, no it would not. If this is an example of how some at
Prep behave
towards their fellow crew members, I would dread witnessing their
interactions
with other Henley competitors or the 'foreign' British people.
--
---
Blaine Castle
Bedford RC
Charles Wingate
Chris Harrison wrote:
> Charles Wingate wrote:
> > Wouldn't "Sorry you won't be there" have been an adequate response?
> Only if "We're sorry we won't be going" had been the original comment.
Maybe I'm a old crustacean, but I've never thought that civilization was
increased by responding to unpleasant behavior with more of the same.
(Not that this comment is specifically directed at Mr. Harrison's
response.)
C. Wingate
Trevor Chambers
Blaine Castle wrote:
> >In case the brits haven't figured this out: going to Henley is a Big
> >Deal for an american high school crew.
>
> Going to Henley is a big deal for anyone. Two friends and fellow club
> members did
> not make the summer boat, so no Henley for them. My crew will have to go
> through the
> Qualifying Races, at which we may fail. Perhaps no Henley for us either.
> You will see
> no posts complaining that the water was wet if we watch the regatta from
> the bank.
>
Couldn't have put it better myself. The fact that Prep *were* going
presumably
means that they were fast enough, and being a foreign entry they
wouldn't have to
qualify. Plenty of British crews will not be going because they know
that they
aren't fast enough, and so are mature enough not to go and make fools of
themselves.
Lots of those who do will not be fast enough during qualifying to
progress to the
regatta proper. There's no shame in that - in recent years the number
of places
available through qualification has been heavily subscribed a few times
over.
I've been there, and experienced getting through qualification and not.
One's
sweet, the other is bitter.
Trevor
Sudbury RC
M. Hoyle
On Thu, 05 Jun 1997 10:21:17 -0400, Charles Wingate wrote:
>It hardly reflects well on the brits that they choose to mock
>this so, especially since for at least two of them the trip is a
>matter of a few hours drive rather than a intercontinental flight.
>Calling them "peasants" in particular is a snotty bit of name calling.
^^^^^^^^^^
I have been following this newsthread (with simultaneous revulsion and
fascination) and did not see the word "peasants" used. Did I miss a
post?
FUhring19
I don't know about the rest of you out there commenting on this whole
arguing over the insults, etc. But this has got to be one of the funniest
things I've read in a long time over a newsgroup. If anything else, it's
rather
entertaining and I do realize that some may criticize my view of this
thing as
shear enjoyment, but hey? that's just more to laugh at. It is a sad
thing to see
people ripping on each other, teammates and fellow oarsman alike, but this
debate won't be forgotten and maybe some have learned from it.
Heather
That which does not kill you, only makes you stronger.
(That's the general idea of the quote and it's definitely one that I used
during the 1997 collegiate rowing season.)
gdoyle
In article <19970606043...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, cdcc...@aol.com says...
>
>greg doyle is a woman.
Jeez, Chuckie, you're sounding like the little hawk boys......
>I know, as Iooked into it after I couldn't believe the post that I read
>about a "nefarious pretty boy wake king" comment that was directed at my
Which words don't apply? Nefarious? Pretty Boy? Wake King? I suppose
I could have done worse---I could've called him a *woman*......By the
way, what other words do you use for insults? I'm sure your mother, wife
and the other 56% of this planet would like to know....
>friend and fellow coach. Also written in the post was the comment, "that
>the coach who didn't put in as much effort as other coaches quoted later"
Actually the quote was "the second half contains some words from
hardworking coaches who aren't full of themselves", but hey, who cares
about whether you're accurate or not? I certainly can't claim superiority
in that practice.....I wouldn't even try to---I have far too much fun
paraphrasing to my advantage. However, to put the statement in quotes
implies that I did indeed say it, which is not true. So, since you are
then, by default, the author of this statement, perhaps this is really
how *you* feel---a Freudian slip, if you will.....Well, I don't want to
meddle in the Prep's internal workings, so I'll just sit that one out.
>in an 'Inquirer Article' proves once again that the keyboard is as dumb as
>the stroker behind it. The obvious bad attempt to lamblast Bill Lamb is
>out of line. The reason he is a winner is because he works harder than any
>other high school coach and is paid a stipend that equates with the lower
>echelon of h.s. coaches. He earns about one eighth of what Gavin White is
>paid at Temple. I know that Bill Lamb put in more man hours than any other
>h.s. coach in the country bar none, so don't even consider responding to
>that statement.
Salary has zip to with anything, Chuck. Frankly, I'm a bit bored with people
who qualify their own or somebody else's efforts by citing the financial
stakes (or lack thereof). You're either good at what you do or you're not.
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your view), rowing is not yet
enslaved itself to wallet ranking (although it may not be far off...)
Bill is a winning coach because he knows what he is doing. Nobody thinks he
just stumbled into a nest of super-human Catholic schoolboys. I'm sure he
is also aware of his cockiness and how it is perceived. It's all
relatively harmless if you think about it. And a few good tongue-in-cheek
jabs shouldn't ruffle his (or your) perfect hair. ;-)
>I would also like to comment on posts from Prep oarsmen that are angry
>with the decision made for them not to go to Henley this year. Let it go,
>you are faster than all of the competition that you faced this year. The
>unknown quantity out there doesn't matter and just wasn't meant to be this
>year, so just relax, enjoy your summer and get preared for your next
>season. If you are going on to college, you will face new and far more
>reaching challenges; if you are returning to the Prep, then staying on top
>of the hill is as tough or tougher than getting there.
>
>High school rowing is a wonderful thing. There are a lot of good oarsmen
>that will be reaching for the goals of making it to the pinnacle of h.s.
>rowing next year. I hope that you all enjoy the time you spend in the
>boats and are content that you have put forth an effort that you are
>satisfied with your results. Remember that some are more fortunate than
>others in the results, but that doesn't mean that the efforts given were
>any less by the less fortunate. Let's be humble and still enjoy the
>successes of good clean competition. That is the most important part of
>rowing.
>
>Chuck Crawford
>Asst Coach, Prep Crew
Some very nice suggestions to the irate of late. Hopefully they'll listen.
See you on the water.
Greg Doyle
Philadelphia, Pa.
gdo...@dynanet.com
PS-The address in the header is not mine. It is that of King Spamalot
Sanford Wallace, who routinely rakes the usenet postings for email
addresses to sens his ejunk. This should amuse his spamming software.
gdoyle
In article <19970606122...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, dec...@aol.com says...
{snip}
>Oh....by the Greg "the Zeusof Boathouse row" Doyle.....how is your fight
>with the roller bladers on Kelly Drive. Did you verbally destroy them
>yet? I guess....another day another time....huh?
>
>Paul Erfle
>
Paul, don't the roller bladers have their own newsgroup,
"rec.sport.mountain.bike.targets" ????? ;-)
LeeAnn Tzeng
M. Hoyle wrote:
> I have been following this newsthread (with simultaneous revulsion and
> fascination) and did not see the word "peasants" used. Did I miss a
> post?
It's in the "Re: Prep not going to Henley" incarnation prior to Rachel's
public announcement regarding the Prep Behavioural Seminars. Post
courtesy of Mr. Jeremy Fagan on 4 June 1997.
--L
LEONG
Todd P. Kennelly (To...@CapeCod.net) wrote:
: Life is choices, he made his. Now why don't the rest of you make another
: choice and _choose_ a new cox'n? The JV might have one you could use. ;-)
: who will probably become the 1st. boat cox'n next year anyway, right?
NO. this is not about personal choices. when you belong to a TEAM, you
must follow the TEAM and do what the TEAM do. you've of course, got a
choice whether to join the team or not. after you have made the decision
to join the team, team accepts you and when the team NEEDS you, it will
be dishonourable to let the team down.
when you graduate from school, college and off looking for a job, you will
be using your team's name to explain to your potential employers the sort
of person you are. if the cox and the rower who let their friends down go
to an interview and say that they are team workers, they have showed
commitments to their team and friends .... they are liars. do not deserve
to be called an honourable or loyal person.
--
LEONG
email : S.L...@durham.ac.uk
http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d3frkj/
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/9588
TP2
gdoyle wrote:
>
> In article <19970604213...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, dec...@aol.com says...
> >
> > {snip}
> >
> >And for Greg Doyle......don't let him get to you. The
> >guy has too much time on his hands.
>
> Well, there's an original statement! ;-)
> ....If I had a nickel everytime I heard that......
>
> >Oh.....By the way, Greg.....you have now gone from fighting national team
> >members to highschool students.......are 6th graders next?
>
> Actually, I fail to see the progession of intellect in your comparisons. I
> would rate some of John Fife's posts above those flung by several
> older readers. Aside from the disparaging zingers, he attempted to defend
> his stance and undermine that of his opponents.
that it has any bearing on this discussion of a crew coming over to
Henley. I know how much racing here means, I've tried to get in 3 times
and only made it once. I'm not saying I agree with the agressive
attitude of the crew towards their cox I just think that this newsgroup
should be left to "NEWS" and not slanging matches.
Paul
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Jeremy Fagan
On Sun, 8 Jun 1997, TP2 wrote:
:I'm not saying I agree with the agressive
:attitude of the crew towards their cox I just think that this newsgroup
:should be left to "NEWS" and not slanging matches.
What? And spoil all our fun? Never!
:-)
Jeremy
:
:Paul
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chris harrison
Charles Wingate wrote:
>
> Chris Harrison wrote:
>
> > Charles Wingate wrote:
> > > Wouldn't "Sorry you won't be there" have been an adequate response?
>
> > Only if "We're sorry we won't be going" had been the original comment.
>
> Maybe I'm a old crustacean, but I've never thought that civilization was
> increased by responding to unpleasant behavior with more of the same.
You're almost certainly right, but that doesn't assume that RQ's
response was more of the same - it certainly wasn't. But if someone
chooses to wash their dirty linen in public, there's always the risk
that someone's going to point out stains that were left untreated.
Brady M. Bustany
Paul (pm...@hermes.cam.ac.uk) wrote...
> Greg, does intellect come into every one of your arguements. I don't see
> that it has any bearing on this discussion of a crew coming over to
> Henley. I know how much racing here means, I've tried to get in 3 times
> and only made it once. I'm not saying I agree with the agressive
> attitude of the crew towards their cox I just think that this newsgroup
> should be left to "NEWS" and not slanging matches.
>
> Paul
Well said, Paul. I agree with you 100%.
Brady
Todd P. Kennelly
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On 07-Jun-97 03:08:20, LEONG, posted the following::
> Todd P. Kennelly (To...@CapeCod.net) wrote:
>: Life is choices, he made his. Now why don't the rest of you make another
>: choice and _choose_ a new cox'n? The JV might have one you could use.
>: ;-) who will probably become the 1st. boat cox'n next year anyway, right?
> NO. this is not about personal choices. when you belong to a TEAM, you
> must follow the TEAM and do what the TEAM do. you've of course, got a
> choice whether to join the team or not. after you have made the decision
> to join the team, team accepts you and when the team NEEDS you, it will
> be dishonourable to let the team down.
Oh Gee! NOW I understand. All those years (25 to be exact),
coxing, coaching, rigging.... and I coulda just asked the kid from prep what
rowing was all about! If he had been BORN! ;-)
Oh, and by the way isn't the "school" year over? ... or is this commitment
open-ended?
> when you graduate from school, college and off looking for a job, you will
> be using your team's name to explain to your potential employers the sort
> of person you are. if the cox and the rower who let their friends down go
> to an interview and say that they are team workers, they have showed
> commitments to their team and friends .... they are liars. do not deserve
> to be called an honourable or loyal person.
You really need to get some therapy. ...or a clue.
In the real world (not MTV), Very few people care what high school you rowed
with, or who well you did. Been there, done that.
In time you will come to realize that the world doesn't revolve around you and
your poor, misguided teammates.
Cheers, Todd K.
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One question that I have not seen answered in this never-ending saga about
Prep....who would have been paying for each athlete's trip to Henley? Was
the school picking up the entire tab? Or was each athlete responsible for
paying their own way? Perhaps this cox'es decision to stay in the U.S.
was a financial one.
Bill McGowan
Empacher, N.A.
Sales & Service
5 Gerrish Street
Brighton, MA 02135-1704
USA
Phone & FAX: (617) 787-1177
They call me mellow YELLOW....quite right...
William M. Sauve
Subject:
Re: Prep not going to Henley
5 Jun 1997 11:18:20 GMT
From:
quar...@ermine.ox.ac.uk
Organization:
Oxford University
Newsgroups:
rec.sport.rowing
I hear on the grapevine that as an alternative to competing at that tiny
provincial regatta in Henley-on-Thames during the first week of July,
St.
Joseph's Prep have decided instead to hold behavioural seminars back at
their home educational institution. The provisional timetable follows.
July 2nd 11 am Introduction to "Crew Psychology" part I.
2 pm Introduction to ATT and use of the Telephone.
July 3rd 10 am Use of the Caps Lock Key in Spam Newsposts.
1 pm "Control-Alt-Delete" or "oh bugger my PC's
crashed during news access again" discussion
of the Microsoft Three-Finger Salute.
5 pm Conference wine and cheese party for all
delegates
and slide show on "Spamming for Beginners".
July 4th 9 am Jumping the Start Support Group for beleagured
coaches. Anonymity ensured. Bring a balaclava.
2 pm "Flame Tests" presentation, subtitled "Why you
should not answer "yes" when asked if your reply
should include the entire text of the previous
message." Fire extinguishers required . . .
OUCH!
And I just thought you were really awesome about getting race
results and news out . . .
That was really beautiful,
Will
Kevin Schmidt
My high school team won first at cincy and we had the chance to go to
Henley. I would have LOVED to go. We all wanted to go, and knew it
would cost a lot. But a few of the boat had engagements, which could
possibly be canceled. But we decided not to go. I can understand the
desire to row at perhaps one of the most prestigous races, but be
satisfied with Stotesbury. Henley would just show you are better than a
few English teams and worse than us (if we went - ha ha :)). We were
disappointed, but dont be spoiled.
Kevin Schmidt
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