Grips for Concept2
Sue Thomas
frustrated with the grips once they become sweaty. And I started wondering,
as I attempted to drive my splits down, if anyone has experimented with
different types of grips on their Concept 2s?
The grips get too slippery for my liking and I started wondering why one
couldn't put Staempfli or Martinolli grips on the handle? Has anyone tried
it?
...........
sue
Joe Cerniglia
so where I kick the front end and the handle flies right out of my hand. It
gets to where my forearms are sore from clutching the handle. If anyone has
any ideas, don't be shy.
--
Joe Cerniglia
"Whatever happens, conduct yourselves in a
manner worthy of the gospel of Christ."
-Philippians 1:27
One day you will ask, "Where was the NRA?" and the NRA will ask "Where
were YOU?" You are the NRA. Visit http://www.NRA.org to join.
Katriona Cameron MCS1997
grips on one of them at least slide off when being used over a long
period of time - highly annoying in 5km ergo tests. We only have two
ergos, which we share with our neighbouring club Clyde ARC, so a
solution to this problem which means they both work efficiently would be
gratefully received.
Katy
garethp
for bike handle bars. With the Sore forearms I'd say your holding the
handle too tight too adjust your method of griping:-
1. Stretch your fingers out straight and place the middle finger on the
handle
2. Slide the finger along unti you hit your knuckles on your hand rather
than your finger and lightly grip the handle think of it like a hook.
Sue Thomas <suth...@islandnet.com> wrote in message
news:9583492...@news2.islandnet.com...
Wily Liam
original foam grips disintegrated) wrapped his scull handles in tennis
racket tape. He's really happy with the way it worked out - he's not really
a racer, so the technical validity is kinda beside the point. Anyway, they
certainly feel good in your hand - though I haven't tried rowing with them.
Hmmm,
Will
Joe Cerniglia
was that when the handle gets really sweaty, it slips out of my hand
sometimes when I use the proper grip. In order to prevent it from slipping
out of my hand, I have to clutch the handle. That is why my forearms get
sore. My hope, along with Sue (the person who started this thread) was that
someone knew of an alternative to the CII handle that doesn't get really
slippery when wet. Sorry if I wasn't clear before.
Freewheeling
I've been using my cycling gloves to good effect on my erg, and there are
some excellent Louis Garneau full finger gloves that would be even better,
for about $25. Probably better even than wrapping the grips, unless you use
some sort of material that's hydrophilic. Most handlebar tape I know of is
intended to be used with gloves, so probably wouldn't help that much when it
comes to sweating. It would take a special wrap or grip. I guess tennis
racket tape might be appropriate, but it also might not be very durable. I
think the simplest solution is gloves.
--
-Scott Talkington
freewh...@bigfoottail.com
Cut the "tail" to respond by email.
Wily Liam <wily...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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dct
very irritating problem, particularly if you have small hands. the obvious
alternative would be to change over to a Rowperfect (wooden handle, great!), but
when erging alongside Anu last summer, i saw that he put some sports deodorant
on his hands before getting on the erg. Also, Sports Physio (at least that is
the brand in the UK) makes a kind of gel-like sticky solution (smells worse than
deodorant) aimed at gymnasts/ other sports. initially it sticks, but then dries
out on your hands.
just a thought, see you
henriette
GHP
there's a guy at our club who has his Sculling Oars wrapped in the same
tape. He *really* likes it and never has a blister problem.
Gary
Wily Liam wrote in message ...
Carl Douglas
<sensible comments about C-II grips snipped>
>--
>Joe Cerniglia
>
>"Whatever happens, conduct yourselves in a
>manner worthy of the gospel of Christ."
>-Philippians 1:27
>
>One day you will ask, "Where was the NRA?" and the NRA will ask "Where
>were YOU?" You are the NRA. Visit http://www.NRA.org to join.
>
May I, as an innocent & non-religious Brit, politely ask of you:
1. What has your linkage of the above comments to do with rowing?
2. Did Christ, a gentle man whose cause you clearly espouse, confront
his opponents and those who threatened him with the barrel of a gun?
3. Does the annual death toll by shooting of 32,000 US citizens,
including some 4,500 kids, justify your promotion of an ancient "right
to bear arms" on a rowing newsgroup?
You see, I've seen what an unstable guy with a gun can do to his wife
and children. Things he'd never have dared, let alone been able, to do
without such a seductive & deadly little toy in his miserable hand.
Thankyou -
Carl
--
Carl Douglas
Jeremy Fagan
"Carl Douglas" wrote
{a very good question}
I'm glad you asked that, Carl...
Jeremy
rowba...@my-deja.com
wrist sweat bands, sometimes two per arm, to intercept the drips. They
work fine through a one hour piece and I sweat buckets.
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Sue Thomas
fit sculling grips though? Hmmm ... might have to try it. I was hoping
someone could tell me why it wouldn't work. I have sent an e-mail to
Concept2 about this idea. I hope they reply with their thoughts.
** To respond to some other comments:
I do use a very loose grip on the erg. Just curling my fingers around the
handle. My thumbs hang around the top of the handle too. As the grip gets
sweatier I have to change my grip so that the handle is more in my hand and
my thumb gripping underneath. This is the only way I can continue to grasp
the handle. And that is annoying.
My oars came with tennis racket tape (or squash racket tape, as I call it).
I didn't like it at all. Bought some Staempfli grips, put them on instead
and love'em. That's what got me wondering why I couldn't use them on an
erg. The erg handle is too large though and would need to be put on a lathe
to take it down to fit.
I don't want a RowPerfect. I like my Concept2. And I don't think I could
use anything that had a scent -- I tend to have allergic. And if I can't
breathe I can't row.
Regarding the post about loose grips -- we have the Concept2 oars at the
club with a stiff plastic blue grip (for durability I guess, I dislike them
as they are too smooth). The grips often fit too loose. For rowing they
are okay, but if you are bow person and using your oars to maneuver the boat
at the start line, the grips would slip. We put a layer of electrical tape
directly on the handle and then put the grips onto the handle. Holds very
snug. End of slippage.
Sue Thomas wrote in message <9583492...@news2.islandnet.com>...
Joe Cerniglia
wrote an email to Carl addressing his concerns regarding my evocation of
Jesus Christ and the National Rifle Association. Since this board is hardly
the place to get into a religious or political discussion, I think it would
be better that if anyone is interested in my explanation of my signature
file, I would be happy to forward the same message I sent to Carl.
--
Joe Cerniglia
"Whatever happens, conduct yourselves in a
manner worthy of the gospel of Christ."
-Philippians 1:27
One day you will ask, "Where was the NRA?" and the NRA will ask "Where
were YOU?" You are the NRA. Visit http://www.NRA.org to join.
Jeremy Fagan <fag...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8fporb$in6$1...@news.ox.ac.uk...
Alison
Hi all,
Following the discussion over Joe Cerniglia's signature, I was just
wondering if there are guidelines anywhere for signatures in usenet groups?
I have a feeling someone once told me there was a limit of 4 lines, but I
think he made that up! I'm sure there must be some kind of usenet
ettiquette (sp?) somewhere online... anyone know?
Thanks
Alison
chris harrison
> Following the discussion over Joe Cerniglia's signature, I was just
> wondering if there are guidelines anywhere for signatures in usenet groups?
Content is regulated by the charter for that group - sigs are ancillary
to the charter. It is generally good practice to try to avoid to not
enflame accidentally (if you want an argument there are plenty of places
where you can buy one). While NRA discussion is the raison d'etre for
talk.politics.guns it could well provoke the mass use of killfiles and
short-tempers if brought up here.
> I have a feeling someone once told me there was a limit of 4 lines, but I
> think he made that up! I'm sure there must be some kind of usenet
> ettiquette (sp?) somewhere online... anyone know?
Because of the open nature of the net, the standards are not mandated,
they are agreed upon by Those That Know. Their pronouncements are listed
in Requests For Comments (RFC), thus most things net-related are
described in RFCs, available in many places, including
http://www.rfc-editor.org/ ftp://sunsite.org.uk/rfc/ (or mount -r
sunsite.org.uk:/public/rfc /mnt for *nix types :) and
ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/doc/rfc/
Usenet messages are structued according to RFC 1036 "Standard for
Interchange of USENET Messages", but the content is better regulated
according to RFC 1855, "Netiquette Guidelines":
"If you include a signature keep it short. Rule of thumb is no longer
than 4 lines. Remember that many people pay for connectivity by the
minute, and the longer your message is, the more they pay."
It's not a rule, it's just good practice.
Usenet would be a much nicer place if everyone read and understood RFC
1855 first :)
PS. Check out RFC 1149 ....
--
chris harrison.
ic-parc, william penney laboratory, imperial college, london, sw7 2az.
(Work) http://www.icparc.ic.ac.uk/~cah1/
(Rest) http://www.lowfield.co.uk/
(Play) http://www.vesta.rowing.org.uk/
MikeF
news:392110DB...@icparc.ic.ac.uk...
> Usenet would be a much nicer place if everyone read and understood RFC
> 1855 first :)
>
>
> PS. Check out RFC 1149 ....
I see what you mean. Someone has way to much time on their hands...
Nick Suess
would all ignore it. Just who are you trying to con?
Let me say that in some aspects at least the NRA does not conduct its
business according to the word of Christ, who surely promoted truth and
honesty in a big way.
Our TV has recently shown adverts that form part of the campaign the NRA has
been waging to warn Americans of the dangers of their nation "going the way
of Australia", referring to the tightening of our gun laws which took place
in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre. Despite a number of high profile
protest rallies organised by our equivalent of the NRA, all polls have
indicated that this tightening of the law has had overwhelming public
approval, and any politician who now stood on a platform of relaxation of
the existing legislation would be committing electoral suicide.
This has not stopped the NRA in America from producing their own TV
"documentaries" claiming that since the new laws came in, violent crime has
soared in Australia and all law-abiding citizens now live in fear. Rather
than give this campaign any sort of of credence by discussing such claims, I
will simply say that they are total bollocks, and precisely what one can
expect from every charlatan (Charlatan Heston especially) who has ever used
the name of religion to justify the unjustifiable.
Joe, I'm an Australian who has been to America a few times. I love your
nation, but I don't love your guns. I remember one very dark night trying to
find a friend's house in an old inner suburb of Minneapolis. House numbers
were hard to find and even harder to see, and I needed to go right up to the
front of a couple of houses to see their numbers before I found my friend's.
I suddenly thought "This is America. What if one of these householders is
armed and decides I might be an intruder?" So give me our relaxed and
comparatively fear-free gun-free society any day. Could it possibly be that
the NRA has conned you, Joe?
In friendship as a fellow rower,
Nick
Joe Cerniglia <jcer...@lynx.neu.edu> wrote in message
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Carl Douglas
>Joe, you started it. That "signature" was not included simply so that we
>would all ignore it. Just who are you trying to con?
>
>Let me say that in some aspects at least the NRA does not conduct its
>business according to the word of Christ, who surely promoted truth and
>honesty in a big way.
>
I've had an interesting exchange with Joe. His replies to me make the
blatant gun-lobbyist purpose of his signature (IMHO a direct abuse of
this newsgroup) far clearer than I'd anticipated. He begins:
>Since I neither have the time nor the interest to attempt to convert
>someone whose opinion won't have an effect on any forth coming
>elections (I have some papers to write), I will simply respond to a
>couple of your statements. It is useless to try to argue the
>ideological stuff.
The rest comprised a tedious repetition of well-known NRA propaganda,
including relating every 20th century massacre of innocents or genocide
directly to the imposition of gun controls. Joe also believes the
Vietnam war outcome relates to gun control issues. He has told me with
pride the message he has tooled onto his holster; it will, I'm sure, be
of great comfort to any innocent person he accidentally guns dead while
exercising his "right to bear arms". And, according to Joe, God &
biblical writings fully approve the policies of the National Rifle
Association. As I now understand it, anything in the Bible which
conflicts with NRA policy can safely be ignored.
Oh dear! How infinitely depressing. Sorry I foolishly asked my
original question. Let's all get back to the real world where, when we
"kill the opposition", we measured our achievement in boat lengths
rather than how many are measuring their lengths on the ground.
Carl
Carl Douglas Racing Shells
(for AeRoWing low-drag Riggers & Fine Small-Boats)
The Boathouse, Timsway, Chertsey Lane, Staines TW18 3JZ, Great Britain
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E-mail carld...@rowing-cdrs.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0) 1784-466550
Joe Cerniglia
I know this is neither the time nor the place to argue this, but since Carl
felt the need to publicly blast me for something that I hold to be very
important, I feel justified in saying that the reason my signature file
includes the NRA tag is because RKBA (right to keep and bear arms) is under
attack in my country and that happens to be something that I value because I
believe that I have the right to defend myself from attack. If you, as it
would seem several of y'all do, find the NRA to be in opposition to your
particular political views, then we can discuss it on talk.pol.guns, or one
of the other political groups. The tag is intended to reach people who have
the same political bearings as I, but who may not yet have joined an
organization that supports their views.
Every single time that I pick up my gun, I pray, actually say a prayer, that
I never have to use it. I am not some political wacko bent on political
change at all costs. I am not even a gun enthusiast or collector. I am a
normal guy. I am 21 years old. I love my mother and father. I go to
church every Sunday. I am an English major at Northeastern University in
Boston, Mass. I am on the rowing team at NU. The worst thing that I have
ever been accused of is doing 70 in a 55 zone. I, just like the
overwhelming majority of the 80 million or so gun owners in the United
States, am just a normal guy.
Having said that, I hope that we can all remain friends here, after all, I
don't hate you for trying to take my guns away, so don't hate me for
believing that I have the right to own them.
dave henderson
How about: every time you put down your gun, you pray, actually
say a prayer, that you never have to pick it up again?
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response to a personal communication from Joe, which follows it.
It would be patronising for a man of my advanced years to tell a 21 year old
who is full of fundamentalist religion that there may be other valid points
of view, that not everyone on this planet accepts the absolute truth of
everything in the bible, or even that just possibly he is being manipulated
as a pawn in this whole thing. So I won't say any of that. After all, this
is the politics of another nation, and so it's not for me to pronounce on
it. But I just wonder what the position of Joe and the NRA would be if a
presidential candidate who has stood a platform of strong gun control is
resoundingly elected at this or any other subsequent election. Please tell
us Joe. Will you accept the democratically expressed decision of the
American people, even if you disagree with it? Or won't you?
Correspondence below. Sorry to use up so much "bandwidth"
* * * * *
Joe
I will not enter this debate other than to say that NRA's "infomercial",
which I saw, portrayed a totally inaccurate and dishonest picture of my own
country. Gun control has massive popular support in Australia, and its
strengthening since Port Arthur has not led to any increase in our citizens
living in fear. In fact, quite the reverse is true. But please note that it
is the NRA's "infomercial" which used the term "living in fear" to describe
Australians. I didn't use it to describe Americans. The programme was a
total web of lies, and you should be ashamed of the NRA for producing it. If
you claim to be a Christian, you should write and complain to them of their
use of untruthful propaganda in this way.
I accept that what you do about guns in your great country is none of my
business. It is for your electors to decide when they go to the polls and
vote for politicians who are either for or against gun control. But please
do not try to influence their decisions by including in your propaganda the
telling of blatant lies about my beautiful and largely gun-free country.
And I also repeat the objection of Carl and others to RSR being used for
political campaigning, which you have now conceded was indeed the purpose of
your "signature".
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Cerniglia <jcer...@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
To: Nick Suess <ni...@scull.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2000 11:04
Subject: Re: Carl's question to me about the NRA
> Nick,
>
> I do not want people to ignore the signature. I put that tag on my
> signature so that should someone with political views similar to mine who
> has not yet joined an organization that supports our views on the subject,
> might do so. If you feel the need to discuss it with me, send me an email
> and we will talk.
>
> I, too, saw that infomercial from the NRA, and I don't think that it was
> "fear-mongering" at all. I found it to be very informative. In fact, I
> find the fear-mongering takes place on the other side of this argument.
For
> nearly 200 years in this country, almost every single household in the
> country had at least one gun in it. There were no laws what so ever
> regulating who could and could not own guns, even fully automatic weapons.
> (In 1935, one could buy a Thompson sub-machine gun "Tommy gun" at a
hardware
> store for about 45 dollars.) No one "lived in fear" as you say. Then Lee
> Harvey Oswald did his part of American history with a bolt action hunting
> rifle, so somebody gets the idea that we should regulate hand gun
purchases.
> Surprise surprise, there is no measurable change in violent crime. So
they
> figure they are not doing enough gun control so they start devising more
and
> more laws and guess what happens. Violent crime goes up and up. Gun
> control does nothing to control crime. Law enforcement controls crime.
Gun
> control allows criminals a wide selection of victims unable to defend
> themselves. That is all. But still we get people like Diane Fienstein
and
> HCI (handgun control, inc.) whipping people up into a frenzy about how we
> need more gun control.
>
> Joe Cerniglia
Joe Cerniglia
What makes you think that I would not accept it. Of course I would accept
it. I have accepted it for 8 years already, and so has every other law
abiding gun owner in this country.
You know what, though. Y'all have all succeeded in making me feel very
unwelcome here so I won't make y'all suffer my presence on this group any
longer. I am really glad that we could all be adults about this whole
thing. Your maturity is greatly appreciated.
Joe Cerniglia
gun, but in a free society, that just can't happen. As long as people are
free to do what they wish, someone is going to abuse that privilege. I told
Carl this: Freedom is scary, dangerous, costly and sometimes deadly.
And thank you very much for mocking me. That was really big of you.
chris harrison
>
> You know what, Dave. I really do wish that I didn't feel the need to own a
> gun, but in a free society, that just can't happen.
It does in this one. Do you know how many gun-related homicides there
are in the UK in the average year? Less than 100. That's not a stat
measured in thousands. That's just seventy-seven homicides. Sure, the
accidental rate is a little higher (see below). Indeed, the worst year
since 1970 (which was the first in the list I have easily to hand, not
because it's a bad year) was 1987 with 77 (including Hungerford).
Firearms in this country account for 0.02 deaths per 100000 population -
it's 0.58 per 100k in the USA. Is the fact that in those 100k head of
population in the UK there will be about 35 firearm owners, but over a
1000 USians?
> As long as people are
> free to do what they wish, someone is going to abuse that privilege. I told
> Carl this: Freedom is scary, dangerous, costly and sometimes deadly.
The cost of security is a small curtailment of certain freedoms. It's a
Catch-22 situation which requires a little perspective to recognise. If
everyone else has a gun then yes, I probably need one. If no-one else
has a gun, what do I need one for?
> And thank you very much for mocking me. That was really big of you.
Quite. You seem to be doing a good enough job on your own.
Anyway, this isn't really rowing-related.
> "Whatever happens, conduct yourselves in a
> manner worthy of the gospel of Christ."
> -Philippians 1:27
"Whose God is their belly, and whose glory is their shame."
- Phillipans, 3:19
> One day you will ask, "Where was the NRA?" and the NRA will ask "Where
> were YOU?" You are the NRA. Visit http://www.NRA.org to join.
Ironically, what with Carl's continued pressurising on the sluice issue,
he could probably use a close variant on this [1].
Only his would be campaigning for the protection of others' lives not
just his own.
[1] NRA - National Rivers Authority.
Carl Douglas
<snip>
>You know what, though. Y'all have all succeeded in making me feel very
>unwelcome here so I won't make y'all suffer my presence on this group any
>longer. I am really glad that we could all be adults about this whole
>thing. Your maturity is greatly appreciated.
>
>--
>Joe Cerniglia
>
>>Carl,
>>
>>I just want to let you know how cool it was of you to post our
>>correspondence in such a mature way on RSR. I thought we could be
>>adults and keep our discussion between us, but I see that you have
>>taken the typical liberal stand and decided to simply make fun of the
>>arguer rather that argue your point. "When the facts are against you,
>>argue the law. When the law is against you, are the facts. When they
>>are both against you, attack the other guy." I have no problem with
>>the people of this newsgroup,or anyone for that matter, knowing my
>>mind on any topic. But for you to say some of the things that you
>>said is downright insulting. I suppose I have no recourse in this
>>situation, because I still do not want to get into this on the board,
>>so I guess everyone will just have to believe you that I am some crazy
>>with a gun.
>>
>>Al I can say is that you can rest assured that you will never have to
>>arrange shipping of your products to any club I am associated with. I
>>am pleased to say that none of the boats in my boat house have Douglas
>>riggers on them, and I will do my part to keep it that way.
>>
>>I don't dislike you because of your views on gun control. Some of my
>>very best friends are very anti-gun. I dislike you because you are
>>childish and immature.
>>
>>Joe Cerniglia
To quote Ronald Reagan: "Well, there you go again". Joe, please stop a
minute to listen to yourself.
I may know a bit more of the real world than you, so I politely
questioned your misuse of RSR for your blatantly political objective.
Your considered response was to regurgitate nutty NRA lies at me. I
challenged them, again most reasonably, whereupon you explicitly
revealed your political agenda. When I now confirm this to RSR with
your own words, you petulantly attempt to threaten and insult me.
All rather crude & thuggish, but I'm sure I can survive your embargo.
However, it does paint you in a very ugly light, doesn't it? Take a
tip: in a democracy you're welcome to your politics, & your religion
but, if you shove either where it doesn't belong, you will surely damage
your cause.
Ewoud Dronkert
> >>our correspondence in such a mature way on RSR.
I agree with Joe here in that I think it's very rude to publicly
reproduce what was privately written to you. You cannot do that.
> [...] your misuse of RSR for your
> blatantly political objective.
Here I agree with Carl :)
Ewoud
Utrecht, Holland
David Inoue
doing on RSR. But anyway, I question how anyone who claims to be
Chistian can also suport the NRA. Killing, the only use for a gun, is
so inherently un-Christian. Please do not slander the teachings of
Christ by placing them next to the preachings of the NRA.
david
On Wed, 17 May 2000 12:03:43 -0400, "Joe Cerniglia"
<jcer...@lynx.neu.edu> wrote:
>Joe Cerniglia
>
>"Whatever happens, conduct yourselves in a
>manner worthy of the gospel of Christ."
>-Philippians 1:27
>
Nick Suess
Ewoud Dronkert <dron...@remove.varsity.this.nl> wrote in message
news:8fv1n2$coh$1...@news.surfnet.nl...
> > >>I just want to let you know how cool it was of you to post
> > >>our correspondence in such a mature way on RSR.
>
> I agree with Joe here in that I think it's very rude to publicly
> reproduce what was privately written to you. You cannot do that.
I disagree. Both Carl and I were making points about Joe's use of that
"signature" here in this open forum. Joe chose to try and engage each of us
in a private correspondence, in which he then made some of his more
outrageous and irrational pronouncements. Mind you, none could be more so
than his later public one of "I really do wish that I didn't feel the need
to own a gun, but in a free society, that just can't happen". Play the tape
again on that one. Did he make that up all by himself? Is this guy really
that crazy??? His prize offering in private correspondence to me was "In
1935, one could buy a Tommy gun at a hardware store for about 45 dollars. No
one lived in fear." As Chris Harrison pointed out, Joe doesn't need us to
mock him - he has done a pretty good job of that himself.
So returning to my point, I had no wish to enter into private correspondence
with Joe, and it would appear that neither did Carl. So we returned the
dialogue to RSR.
Thanks also to Chris Harrison for his statistics on the UK. I don't have any
to hand for Australia, but I can say that here our police go armed and our
private citizens don't. Our criminals by and large also go unarmed, and
those who do arm themselves very seldom discharge their weapons. And the
result is that we certainly enjoy a very low rate of firearm homicides here.
The lesson that Britain learned at Hungerford and Dunblane, we also learned
at Hoddle Street and Port Arthur. But it appears that no matter how
frequently and often gun massacres occur across their nation, a vocal
section of the American public will nevertheless remain obstinate in the
belief that the wholesale proliferation of guns somehow makes them safer.
You are welcome to your beliefs, Joe, but this is an international forum,
and maybe it comes as a rude awakening for you to discover that very few
people outside of the USA share those beliefs. We live in societies that are
without question far safer from firearm danger than yours, despite the NRA's
despicable and utterly dishonest attempts to portray the reverse as fact.
freakshow
Why don't we all just shoot the handbrakes in rowing, and then we can have
this ultra elite rowing state...everyone will pull under 6:05 on the erg and
row about a 6:40 in the scull....
Why don't you people go train harder,,,we're rowers...we're not meant to
have brains...we have plenty of idiots down our club (and as nick would
agree, there are many 'factions' within the australian rowing community) who
espouse "silly" views. But everyone does havea right to express their
opinion...no matter what it is...we all have different influences and
experiences in our lives which sway us one way or another,,,
For all you know, Joe may have had some good positive experiences with his
father hunting...(again some ppl will cry over the barbarism of shooting
animals...)
I myself have a gun license...I like to shoot competitively on ranges...I
enjoy the skill involved in putting a small piece of metal through the
centre of a 10c coin from a few hundred meters. Having said that, I don't
agree with handguns and the relatively easy access to them enjoyed by a
Nation which has more people PER CAPITA as well as volume on psychotropic
drugs to ease mental conditions...perceived or otherwise.
I am also a dedicated Christian, who is recently converted. Having been a
mindless lout for several years, I prefer my new life of thinking twice
about things...but I don't try and convince my rowing mates who are still
chasing skirt and sculling more than empachers...if you know what i mean
that that is the RIGHT way for THEM....it's just been the right way for ME.
Anyways, the essence of what I'm saying is...I have my views...joe has his,
Carl has his, and Nick most likely has his own too :-) Unless yourviews
directly harm someone else, you're entitled to enjoy them as you please IMO.
Have fun on the water....the only person you need to shoot is the asshole in
bow who keeps yelling "SET IT UP!!!!"
Nick Suess <ni...@scull.com.au> wrote in message
news:392337cc$0$10...@motown.iinet.net.au...
Jason R. Kehrer
I've been watching this interesting arguement on Joe's signature file.
First of all, Joe did not start the argument, the others did. Why should
he have to defend his right to free speech? He can use his signature
to make a statement. You can agree with it or disagree with it, but it's
up to him what his signature says. I can put a bumper sticker on my
car if I choose to do so, and it can make a statement about anything
I choose... I have a right to do that, and no one is going to question
my right to display that or it's appropriateness if it is viewed on the
highway. Personally, I don't see the difference.
This opinion of mine is not based on whether or not I support the NRA or
whether or not I agree with Joe's support of the NRA... it's about a right to
free speech. He makes a short statement on his beliefs in his signature file...
what is wrong with that? Any one of you can do the same... whether it is
a short statement on your signature file, a statement on the shirt you're
wearing, a bumper sticker on your car, what is the difference?
later, Jason
MikeF
news:39231822...@newsstand.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> Just noticed this discussion, and also wondering what the heck it's
> doing on RSR. But anyway, I question how anyone who claims to be
> Chistian can also suport the NRA. Killing, the only use for a gun, is
> so inherently un-Christian. Please do not slander the teachings of
> Christ by placing them next to the preachings of the NRA.
Quite right - I may be a complete Atheist, but if I was Christian, I'd be
mightily pissed off by his sig, which is offending people left right and
centre (well, maybe not so much the right). Now, how about keeping
discussions about deaths and the NRA to sluices and rivers authorities.
Rob Collings
Guns don't float.
You can't row in one.
Owning one won't help you row faster.
Why are we discussing guns on a rowing forum??? how about on rec.guns or
*.politics.guns ?
Rob.
MikeF
news:8fvhm3$qad$1...@campus3.mtu.edu...
> He makes a short statement on his beliefs in his signature file...
> what is wrong with that? Any one of you can do the same... whether it is
> a short statement on your signature file, a statement on the shirt you're
> wearing, a bumper sticker on your car, what is the difference?
The right to free speech means you can say whatever you want. It does not
mean you can say it wherever you want. I may believe that there is no God,
but that doesn't mean I have the right to declare this loudly from the
balcony of the Vatican. Finally, some people have to pay to download
newsgroups - the only person who has had to fork out for the Amnesty
Internation T-shirt I'm wearing is me. The difference is the right to free
speech vs the right to force your opinions down other people's throats.
Of course, if his opinion is a rowing one, he can be as long and
contraversial as he likes.
chris harrison
>
> Lets see...
>
> Guns don't float.
Neither do ergs.
> You can't row in one.
You don't have to rwo well on ergs.
> Owning one won't help you row faster.
The jury's out on that one.
> Why are we discussing guns on a rowing forum??? how about on rec.guns or
> *.politics.guns ?
Erg.
Ug.
Bang. Bang.
<puffs on a cigarette>
Steven Maynard-Moody
. . . Unless your views
> directly harm someone else, you're entitled to enjoy them as you please IMO. . . .
Actually the view that unregulated gun ownership is a "god given right,
says so right there in the Constitution" is not only wrong from the
perspective of US Constitutional scholarship it causes considerable
harm. (Of course I'm excluding the work of that well know scholar
Charlton Heston.)
Steven M-M
Mitch Berkson
> The cost of security is a small curtailment of certain freedoms. It's a
> Catch-22 situation which requires a little perspective to recognise. If
> everyone else has a gun then yes, I probably need one. If no-one else
> has a gun, what do I need one for?
Maybe the answer would be apparent to you if you were a physically
unimposing 5' 2", 120 pound person.
Mitch Berkson
am...@falcon.cc.ukans.edu
was
> "fear-mongering" at all. I found it to be very informative. In fact, I
> find the fear-mongering takes place on the other side of this argument.
For
> nearly 200 years in this country, almost every single household in the
> country had at least one gun in it.
Not to get too involved with this whole thread but this is a serious
piece of misinformation. Of course I cant' cite my source and there's
always misinformation on both sides but there was an interesting story
on National Public Radio a few months back the above point. Basically
the historian being interviewed said that personal gun ownership was
very limited unitl the US Civil War (at less that 20% of the
population) and that most privately held weapons either didn't work
properly or weren't used correctly by their owners. It then went into
a tangent about how Geo. Washington was embarressed by the skill of
our town militias and basically wished they would have gone home and
left the fighting to the professionals.
The point being that mass gun ownership was not a factor in the US's
origins and didn't catch on until manufacturing and gun technology
improved.
Michael Amick
Mel Harbour
> it's 0.58 per 100k in the USA. Is the fact that in those 100k head of
> population in the UK there will be about 35 firearm owners, but over a
> 1000 USians?
And how many of the deaths from firearms in this country are the result of
legally owned and registered firearms? I don't have the statistic on me at
the moment (it's at home, and I'm at Uni), but I know that it's not very
many.
Mel
Michael Sullivan
>
> I've been watching this interesting arguement on Joe's signature file.
> First of all, Joe did not start the argument, the others did. Why should
> he have to defend his right to free speech? He can use his signature
Many of us Americans have a goofy idea of what a
'right' is. Many of us believe that you should
be able to express whatever you want without consequences.
The right guaranteed by the 1st amendment probibits
the government from abridging that right to speech,
assembly, religion. It doesn't prevent other citizens
for pointing out senselessness, offensiveness, or
illogic of whatever you wish to spew or worship.
Joe has the right to stick an offensively stupid .sig file
on any forum. Members of that forum have the right
both to be offended and to say so.
This is what's meant by the consequences.
I have very strong opinions on the gun issue, but
RSR is not the place.
Mike
Felipe
Rob Collings <R.P.Co...@durham.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:3923CA68...@durham.ac.uk...
> Lets see...
>
> Guns don't float.
>
>
I dunno 'bout that. I grew up wif a shootin' 'arn near at hand most of the
time. But haven't touched one in well over a decade. Never missed it,
either. With one exception: when I get waked by a powerboat -- especially
one of those fiberglass ones just waiting to shatter -- boy do I wish I had
my ol' 12-guage pump loaded with pumpkin balls. One or two fewer powerboats
would definitely help me row faster ... (Now, shooting a shotgun with one
hand while holding both scull handles in the other poses quite a challenge
...)
But all kidding aside, this is way the hell off topic for rowing. And as
much as I respect Carl and Nick's infinite wit and wisdom (in inverse order,
perhaps), airing private emails really is a little below the belt.
Now, I'm getting those squiggly lines off of my stern in a single that make
me think I'm not controlling my waterline well; any suggestions on what to
do?
> Why are we discussing guns on a rowing forum??? how about on rec.guns or
> *.politics.guns ?
>
> Rob.
David Inoue
wrote:
>unimposing 5' 2", 120 pound person.
Nah, the cox would have his/her eight rowers for protection.
MikeF
news:uvSU4.87346$hT2.3...@news1.rdc1.ct.home.com...
> Maybe the answer would be apparent to you if you were a physically
> unimposing 5' 2", 120 pound person.
What, in case somebody steps to you, Snoop Dogg?
Leslie Partridge
Joe Cerniglia wrote:
> I strongly concur with Sue's post. There have been long work outs (10k) or
> so where I kick the front end and the handle flies right out of my hand. It
> gets to where my forearms are sore from clutching the handle. If anyone has
> any ideas, don't be shy.
>
> --
Rob G
>
> > I strongly concur with Sue's post. There have been long work outs (10k)
or
> > so where I kick the front end and the handle flies right out of my hand.
It
> > gets to where my forearms are sore from clutching the handle. If anyone
has
> > any ideas, don't be shy.
> >
> > --
> > Joe Cerniglia
> >
> > "Whatever happens, conduct yourselves in a
> > manner worthy of the gospel of Christ."
> > -Philippians 1:27
> >
> > One day you will ask, "Where was the NRA?" and the NRA will ask "Where
> > were YOU?" You are the NRA. Visit http://www.NRA.org to join.
>
don't grip so hard. If you do, then your forearms will tense up, and make
things very uncomfortable.
Try to keep everything relaxed, especially in the forearms/hands area.