bow vs stern cox
Murray
the rowers are all masters and some cox and cannot fit in a bow cox boat. a
bow coxed four would be in appropriate for our club as the cox cannot see
what the rowers are doing right or wrong..
to find a nearly new stern cox four to replace ours that were lost in the
flood appears very diffulicult
Mur
Jon Anderson
> Why is bow cox fours the preferred boat.
More stable, slightly shorter, easier for the cox to see where they are
going and the cox can divine a lot from feel and noise.
Of course it helps to have a coach on the bank if you're trying to get 3
to stop leaning away from their rigger...
Jon
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stan
> slightly shorter,
As all manufacturers use the same moulds for bow or stern loader fours-
Usually a VEB copy, though individual variations do exist eg Vespoli,
Hudson, Stamphii. As the same moulds are used the only variation in
length is how heavy the crew weight is (ie how much the boat will have
been built up/cut down) which will be a matter of cm.
As the weight distribution is different in a bow coxed boat vs a stern
coxed boat the length of the stateroom and it's position in the boat
will be different.
>From a safety point of view they're much better, on the stupidly narrow
Edinburgh canal they are almost compulsory. (hence the reason for the
bow loader eight that graced the front of regatta a while back).
regards, and as it's my first post of 2005 a happy and sucessful new
year to everyone
s
Sarah
coxes point of view a bowloader is better [once you get used to it] the
FEEL of the boat is much easier and as pointed out above because you
can't see the crew you rely on sound and feel much more.
coxes that are too short should use something like an upturned bucket
to prop themselves up more rather than risk slipping down.
it's important to have the correct sort of life jacket [forgive me as
I'll get the terminology wrong ;)] it should not be a self inflating
one, as a large wash swamping the boat might inflate it and trap the
cox in their cox-pit* it should not be bulky so to impeede the coxes
exit from the boat in an emergency. I wear a pull cord inflating
(crewsaver) and hope I don't bang my head and get concussion on my way
out of the boat...
*Carl, don't start on why the cox shouldn't have to get out at this
point, we'll take it as read that the boat should be bouyant to support
the crew, lets pretend we've hit a submerged object and ripped half the
bottom of the boat out.
You can cox novices in a bow loading boat, if that's the only sort of
equipment you have (or the most suitable for the crew), as a cox it
challenges you to be descriptive! From a sternloader, you're not going
to get a perfect view of a crew anyway.
Lwt Sculler
quicker.
POWER10
bow-coxed 4s, bevcause they are definitely faster, about 3 sec., if I
understood.
What do you all think about the faster speed.? I have always leaned towards
stern coxed, so the cox and crew could have a more interactive relationship,
especially with the least experienced crews.
Gordon
Gordon L. Pizor
Head Coach and Associate Director
Wilmington Youth Rowing Association, Inc.
WYRA
Kit Davies
inexperienced (say less than 1 year). And let's face it, with
inexperienced crews there's normally plenty going on that will affect
boat speed by more than 3 secs.
Kit
Henry Law
>What do you all think about the faster speed.? I have always leaned towards
>stern coxed, so the cox and crew could have a more interactive relationship,
>especially with the least experienced crews.
For your club, Gordon, I'd definitely go with the stern-coxed
configuration for the reasons you state.
Additionally, my two coxing daughters hate box-loaders with a passion;
unless they are unrepresentative then I feel a club would find it
easier to recruit and retain coxes with stern-loaders.
And as parent of coxes I'm far from happy with the safety aspects as
well - getting out being the main concern.
DomG
I would concur from the coxes point of view - my fiancee now refuses to
cox bow loaders as she simply doesn't feel safe in them, and while on
training camp last year I saw just how long it takes a cox to escape
during a catch drill that nearly went wrong.
Heel restraints are one thing for the rowers but how is a cox supposed
to get out of a bow-loader when wearing all the kit they possess in the
middle of winter?
anto...@aol.com
One of the problems here is that "big" coxes can steer stern loaders
but there are many coxes who really shouldn't even try and sit in a bow
loader. If you wedge yourself in then its gonna be tough getting out.
Clubs need to draw a line as to which coxes truely fit in bow loaded
boat and possibly adjust this list of people depending on the weather
to take account of the extra kit.
Jon Anderson
> One of the problems here is that "big" coxes can steer stern loaders
> but there are many coxes who really shouldn't even try and sit in a bow
> loader. If you wedge yourself in then its gonna be tough getting out.
> Clubs need to draw a line as to which coxes truely fit in bow loaded
> boat and possibly adjust this list of people depending on the weather
> to take account of the extra kit.
And teeny coxes should avoid cavernous Empacher bow-loaders.
James Elder
Jon Anderson wrote:
> And teeny coxes should avoid cavernous Empacher bow-loaders.
They're fine as long as the teeny cox brings something along to place
in the bows in front of their feet - a beach ball is a popular option.
This stops them from disappearing underneath the bow canvas.