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Many classic albums were remixed in 5.1 surround sound during the late 1990s and early to mid 2000s on niche formats like DVD-A (audio) and SACD (super audio CD). These formats never reached mainstream success, which means tracking down the physical discs can be time consuming and expensive.
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In reality, the soundbar has three drivers, plus a subwoofer for extra bass. The HT-G700 is 38.6 inches long, which is pretty big for a soundbar. This allows the drivers to be spaced far enough apart to mimic the experience of using a traditional stereo speaker system.
I have been looking at moving me stereo short doco films with background music to a surround experience. At the moment the design is fairly simple, interview vocals center and music as it comes from the artist (stereo). What can you guys suggest to move the music towards using a full surround experience. I am looking at subtle exposure, not over the top use of the surround stems without compromising the original quality of the music. The sound effects are more natural to mix, so I am not too fussed about them.
The way I normally start when mixing music for 5.1 (mostly in feature films, but sometimes also in documentaries), is to pull the music slightly towards the center, so that it isn't strictly L-R but more L-R with a little bit of center, so you don't get too much of the "hole in the middle" syndrome. Sometimes I pull it back a little too.
Normally I then apply a hall reverb to the surround speakers, leaving it pretty dry in the front and almost totally wet in the surrounds. This way the music surrounds you without having too much of the direct sound coming from behind you.
If I have stereo stems of the music available, I will pan the softer elements more to the back than the percussive elements, and be more selective about which tracks I feed to the LFE channel. If there's no particular bass information in the channel, there is no need to send it to the sub.
The more tracks I have available for mixing, the more specifically I will pan them across the LCR front, for instance narrowing the bass down to the center channel (and LFE of course), or pinpointing the close mics of the orchestra across the screen. I may also use an extra reverb in the front, to give the narrower sounds a bit of spread. I will also narrow the reverb a bit so it isn't strictly LR.
The real advantage when mixing in 5.1 compared to stereo is in my opinion more the enriched clarity and higher fidelity that comes from using more speakers, than it is the fact that you can have sound coming from behind.
The simplest solution is to worldize sections using subtle reverb and send that to the surrounds. You have to be careful what you send to the surrounds and how often as sounds arriving from behind the audience can often make listeners feel uncomfortable.
Logic is easiest for surround panning as you just change the output to surround and you can use the planner to position your centre point and alter the stereo spread across the 5.1 field. This also works for auxiliary busses for your reverbs.
From everything I've heard, mixing music into the surrounds is supposedly a big no-no. Same goes for mixing dialogue in the surrounds. Personally, I like mixing music in surround, and depending on the context of the dialogue, I'll mix that in surround as well I'm not one for playing inside the rules or playing it safe unless it's a QC or broadcast spec I have to adhere to. With music you gotta show the people in the back a bit of love too imo. It's not like it's a specific sound effect that will really draw the listeners attention away, so it can be done... but simply done carefully and tastefully, same goes for certain types of dialogue as well. Personally I think surround mixing still plays it a bit too safe. We have this awesome technology and a lot of mixers are still afraid to take chances and push the envelope. Some I might add, are quite amazing at this. If you listen to the surround mix for Inception Gary Rizzo mixed A LOT of music into the surrounds... for that matter it was sometimes only in the surrounds.
When mixing music in surround (which I would typically do in Pro Tools), I'll usually have it in the Quads pulled back around 10-20% from the front and I'll set my divergence to 80% all the way around, that way I'm not hitting the LS and RS too hard, it's not too wide and I'm just giving it a bit of surround space to make it a little more immersive. Sometimes I'll send it to the LFE depending on the scene and what the mix needs. I'm extra careful with that though. I don't ever use verb on the music though. If it's incidental music all bets are off and it depends on the source location of the music in the surround field. In that case I would use verb on the music. On top of that, it also helps clean up a bit of headroom in the L+R and leaves a bit more space for SFX and DX.
none of the advice in the article addressed this problem. I can play my apple music library in surround using other streaming devices, but none of my Apple TVs are able to do it. it must be something I am doing wrong, because this would be a huge oversight on the designers' part if this was a real hardware limitation.
As logical as your answer sounds, when I play the same songs from my apple playlist using MusicCast by Yamaha instead of Apple TV on the same hardware (ie through the same receiver, speakers, etc) the song is played in surround sound. it appears that AppleTV is unable to offer this same feature? I assume MusicCast converts it somehow to surround sound - and it sounds MUCH better. Is the answer that Apple TV is really not designed to play music on a higher quality sound system?
Music is 2 channel audio, you aren't getting surround sound from your other devices. Your receiver is likely to be able to take 2 channel audio and mimic surround sound and play it through all of its speakers (it's not surround sound). However, from what you are saying it appears that your receiver isn't doing this with the audio t receives from the Apple TV. This may be because the Apple TV is already sending multi-channel audio but with audio only on two of them.
Sorry, I wrote my post in a rush. There are 3 options under surround sound. I have tried them all. I restarted the AppleTV after each change. None of the options fixed my issue. But as I have said, surround sound for movies worked great when I selected each of the two options that activate the surround sound.
That said, I have heard the Atmos versions of Sgt. Pepper and Roger Waters' live The Wall, both of which set new surround standards on their own. It's a good Q as to whether Atmos will replace 5.1, but it's still TBD, imo, until more content is available. Hmm, maybe I should ask SW what he thinks about Atmos the next time we talk... Log in or register to post comments Great Choices! Submitted by trkarp on May 8, 2020 - 3:42pm This messed up my day - as in my 'work from home' office is only a few feet from my home theatre and I spent more time listening that working.
I have a hard time narrowing down my favorite Jethro Tull 5.1 moment(s), but, as semi-alluded to in a previous response, I have a feeling they'll be on my next Top 5.1 list. Ditto with Riverside -- but shhh, don't tell... Log in or register to post comments Other Surround Choices Submitted by PaulF14566 on May 8, 2020 - 8:02pm Eagles Hotel California DVD-Audio is one of the best recorded 5.1 surround albums. Besides being great musically throughout it is reference quality sound. Another honorable mention is Yes Live in Amsterdam on DVD-Audio.
Thank you so much for your thoughtful and well-presented choices! You really sparked some good conversation, which seemed very much to be one of your purposes. The most evident purpose, though, seems to be to share your very clear joy of surround sound! I certainly hope you consider another fifty . . . or is that 15.1? Have you ever visited quadraphonicquad.com? I think you would really enjoy the community of like-minded multichannel music lovers! Stay Surrounded, Comrade!
Just wanted to thank you Mike for making me aware of these surround releases. Thanks to you I was able get all 5 Yes blurays at reasonable prices, as well as all the Jethro Tull stuff (except for Thick As A Brick. I had to set settle for the stereo download from hdtracks. But I did manage to get my favorite - Benefit) Some great surround SACDs which haven't been mentioned are George Harrison Live in Japan, Roger Waters In The Flesh, Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here, Layla, and The Who Live At The Royal Albert Hall. If I had to choose a favorite surround release it would be the Atom Heart Mother album from Pink Floyd's The Early Years. It's a shame they didn't do the entire Meddle album. As for Atmos I've only experienced The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus and Abbey Road. While I hope this is the wave of the future I can't say that I relish having to buy my music over again.
Dave
That said, I wouldn't mind hearing SW tackle July 1977's Going for the One, if only to hear how he'd handle "Awaken" (which someone else also mentioned earlier in this comments thread). Trevor Rabin and I once discussed the possibility of him doing a 5.1 mix for November 1983's 90125 -- and I'm certainly all for that, especially to hear what he would do with "Changes," one of the tracks both he and I agreed would be fantastic in 5.1.As for latter-era Yes, I'd be down with getting 5.1 for the studio tracks on both volumes of 1996/97's Keys to Ascension and September 1999's The Ladder. Maybe someday on all counts, but who knows at this point. . .Interesting choices on the SACD front from your POV as well. Speaking of the man behind In the Flesh, I will say that something from Roger Waters' Amused to Death BD is most definitely in the running to be on my next Top 5.1 tracks list, having barely missed the cut for the first one. It's the kind of mix that begs immediate reassessment of an album unjustly overlooked at the time of its initial release (in this case, September 1992). Log in or register to post comments For my radio show... Submitted by The Randyman on May 22, 2020 - 9:46am Great list! Makes me wish I had a better 5.1 system, but I love the music, and appreciate your guidance! If it's alright with you, I'm planning to use this list as the foundation for the radio show I host each Saturday. Thanks for the recommendations!
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download music 5.1 surround sound
Download https://diafortuze.blogspot.com/?h=2wZmh9
In reality, the soundbar has three drivers, plus a subwoofer for extra bass. The HT-G700 is 38.6 inches long, which is pretty big for a soundbar. This allows the drivers to be spaced far enough apart to mimic the experience of using a traditional stereo speaker system.
I have been looking at moving me stereo short doco films with background music to a surround experience. At the moment the design is fairly simple, interview vocals center and music as it comes from the artist (stereo). What can you guys suggest to move the music towards using a full surround experience. I am looking at subtle exposure, not over the top use of the surround stems without compromising the original quality of the music. The sound effects are more natural to mix, so I am not too fussed about them.
The way I normally start when mixing music for 5.1 (mostly in feature films, but sometimes also in documentaries), is to pull the music slightly towards the center, so that it isn't strictly L-R but more L-R with a little bit of center, so you don't get too much of the "hole in the middle" syndrome. Sometimes I pull it back a little too.
Normally I then apply a hall reverb to the surround speakers, leaving it pretty dry in the front and almost totally wet in the surrounds. This way the music surrounds you without having too much of the direct sound coming from behind you.
If I have stereo stems of the music available, I will pan the softer elements more to the back than the percussive elements, and be more selective about which tracks I feed to the LFE channel. If there's no particular bass information in the channel, there is no need to send it to the sub.
The more tracks I have available for mixing, the more specifically I will pan them across the LCR front, for instance narrowing the bass down to the center channel (and LFE of course), or pinpointing the close mics of the orchestra across the screen. I may also use an extra reverb in the front, to give the narrower sounds a bit of spread. I will also narrow the reverb a bit so it isn't strictly LR.
The real advantage when mixing in 5.1 compared to stereo is in my opinion more the enriched clarity and higher fidelity that comes from using more speakers, than it is the fact that you can have sound coming from behind.
The simplest solution is to worldize sections using subtle reverb and send that to the surrounds. You have to be careful what you send to the surrounds and how often as sounds arriving from behind the audience can often make listeners feel uncomfortable.
Logic is easiest for surround panning as you just change the output to surround and you can use the planner to position your centre point and alter the stereo spread across the 5.1 field. This also works for auxiliary busses for your reverbs.
From everything I've heard, mixing music into the surrounds is supposedly a big no-no. Same goes for mixing dialogue in the surrounds. Personally, I like mixing music in surround, and depending on the context of the dialogue, I'll mix that in surround as well I'm not one for playing inside the rules or playing it safe unless it's a QC or broadcast spec I have to adhere to. With music you gotta show the people in the back a bit of love too imo. It's not like it's a specific sound effect that will really draw the listeners attention away, so it can be done... but simply done carefully and tastefully, same goes for certain types of dialogue as well. Personally I think surround mixing still plays it a bit too safe. We have this awesome technology and a lot of mixers are still afraid to take chances and push the envelope. Some I might add, are quite amazing at this. If you listen to the surround mix for Inception Gary Rizzo mixed A LOT of music into the surrounds... for that matter it was sometimes only in the surrounds.
When mixing music in surround (which I would typically do in Pro Tools), I'll usually have it in the Quads pulled back around 10-20% from the front and I'll set my divergence to 80% all the way around, that way I'm not hitting the LS and RS too hard, it's not too wide and I'm just giving it a bit of surround space to make it a little more immersive. Sometimes I'll send it to the LFE depending on the scene and what the mix needs. I'm extra careful with that though. I don't ever use verb on the music though. If it's incidental music all bets are off and it depends on the source location of the music in the surround field. In that case I would use verb on the music. On top of that, it also helps clean up a bit of headroom in the L+R and leaves a bit more space for SFX and DX.
none of the advice in the article addressed this problem. I can play my apple music library in surround using other streaming devices, but none of my Apple TVs are able to do it. it must be something I am doing wrong, because this would be a huge oversight on the designers' part if this was a real hardware limitation.
As logical as your answer sounds, when I play the same songs from my apple playlist using MusicCast by Yamaha instead of Apple TV on the same hardware (ie through the same receiver, speakers, etc) the song is played in surround sound. it appears that AppleTV is unable to offer this same feature? I assume MusicCast converts it somehow to surround sound - and it sounds MUCH better. Is the answer that Apple TV is really not designed to play music on a higher quality sound system?
Music is 2 channel audio, you aren't getting surround sound from your other devices. Your receiver is likely to be able to take 2 channel audio and mimic surround sound and play it through all of its speakers (it's not surround sound). However, from what you are saying it appears that your receiver isn't doing this with the audio t receives from the Apple TV. This may be because the Apple TV is already sending multi-channel audio but with audio only on two of them.
Sorry, I wrote my post in a rush. There are 3 options under surround sound. I have tried them all. I restarted the AppleTV after each change. None of the options fixed my issue. But as I have said, surround sound for movies worked great when I selected each of the two options that activate the surround sound.
That said, I have heard the Atmos versions of Sgt. Pepper and Roger Waters' live The Wall, both of which set new surround standards on their own. It's a good Q as to whether Atmos will replace 5.1, but it's still TBD, imo, until more content is available. Hmm, maybe I should ask SW what he thinks about Atmos the next time we talk... Log in or register to post comments Great Choices! Submitted by trkarp on May 8, 2020 - 3:42pm This messed up my day - as in my 'work from home' office is only a few feet from my home theatre and I spent more time listening that working.
I have a hard time narrowing down my favorite Jethro Tull 5.1 moment(s), but, as semi-alluded to in a previous response, I have a feeling they'll be on my next Top 5.1 list. Ditto with Riverside -- but shhh, don't tell... Log in or register to post comments Other Surround Choices Submitted by PaulF14566 on May 8, 2020 - 8:02pm Eagles Hotel California DVD-Audio is one of the best recorded 5.1 surround albums. Besides being great musically throughout it is reference quality sound. Another honorable mention is Yes Live in Amsterdam on DVD-Audio.
Thank you so much for your thoughtful and well-presented choices! You really sparked some good conversation, which seemed very much to be one of your purposes. The most evident purpose, though, seems to be to share your very clear joy of surround sound! I certainly hope you consider another fifty . . . or is that 15.1? Have you ever visited quadraphonicquad.com? I think you would really enjoy the community of like-minded multichannel music lovers! Stay Surrounded, Comrade!
Just wanted to thank you Mike for making me aware of these surround releases. Thanks to you I was able get all 5 Yes blurays at reasonable prices, as well as all the Jethro Tull stuff (except for Thick As A Brick. I had to set settle for the stereo download from hdtracks. But I did manage to get my favorite - Benefit) Some great surround SACDs which haven't been mentioned are George Harrison Live in Japan, Roger Waters In The Flesh, Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here, Layla, and The Who Live At The Royal Albert Hall. If I had to choose a favorite surround release it would be the Atom Heart Mother album from Pink Floyd's The Early Years. It's a shame they didn't do the entire Meddle album. As for Atmos I've only experienced The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus and Abbey Road. While I hope this is the wave of the future I can't say that I relish having to buy my music over again.
Dave
That said, I wouldn't mind hearing SW tackle July 1977's Going for the One, if only to hear how he'd handle "Awaken" (which someone else also mentioned earlier in this comments thread). Trevor Rabin and I once discussed the possibility of him doing a 5.1 mix for November 1983's 90125 -- and I'm certainly all for that, especially to hear what he would do with "Changes," one of the tracks both he and I agreed would be fantastic in 5.1.As for latter-era Yes, I'd be down with getting 5.1 for the studio tracks on both volumes of 1996/97's Keys to Ascension and September 1999's The Ladder. Maybe someday on all counts, but who knows at this point. . .Interesting choices on the SACD front from your POV as well. Speaking of the man behind In the Flesh, I will say that something from Roger Waters' Amused to Death BD is most definitely in the running to be on my next Top 5.1 tracks list, having barely missed the cut for the first one. It's the kind of mix that begs immediate reassessment of an album unjustly overlooked at the time of its initial release (in this case, September 1992). Log in or register to post comments For my radio show... Submitted by The Randyman on May 22, 2020 - 9:46am Great list! Makes me wish I had a better 5.1 system, but I love the music, and appreciate your guidance! If it's alright with you, I'm planning to use this list as the foundation for the radio show I host each Saturday. Thanks for the recommendations!
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