rowperfect

[donal...@gmail.com]

Concept have produced brilliant products over the years (in my
opinion).
Ive tried Rowperfect and in terms of feel etc think they are a product
which better resembles rowing. I have been concerned though that I
only ever see the odd row perfect around and quite often these have
been not working properly for some reason. Concept (certainly in the
past) have produced the benchmark machine in terms of ability to take
abuse!

What is peoples recent experience?

Im sure this question will have been asked hundreds of times before
but I would like to know current thoughts.

regards

Donal

[Rob Collings]

On Sep 7, 2:39 pm, "donal.ca...@gmail.com" <donal.ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Concept have produced brilliant products over the years (in my
> opinion).
> Ive tried Rowperfect and in terms of feel etc think they are a product
> which better resembles rowing. I have been concerned though that I
> only ever see the odd row perfect around and quite often these have
> been not working properly for some reason. Concept (certainly in the
> past) have produced the benchmark machine in terms of ability to take
> abuse!
>
> What is peoples recent experience?

I bought an ex-demo machine sometime around Christmas and it's been
fine.

If you want to abuse it to hell and back, never maintain it and still
expect it to work then buy a C2. They can take a phenomenal amount of
bashing and crashing and still work well enough.

If you prefer to look after your equipment a little and can do a wee
bit of maintenance (like wiping things down and lubing the chain) then
I don't see why a RP won't last. I've seen far more working
rowperfects than broken ones. Of the ones I've seen in clubs, I think
they've all been kept with a lock on them to prevent casual use (with
the exception of some London clubs). I don't think the rowperfect can
take the same level of abuse from people hopping on and mucking about
as a C2 could. But then it isn't a toy, it's a training tool.

As a training tool, there is no doubt in my mind that the rowperfect
is a much better machine.

Rob.

[paul_v...@hotmail.com]

On Sep 7, 6:39 am, "donal.ca...@gmail.com" <donal.ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Since the "redesign" I don't think that there is much "recent
experience". I got to try the new model at Masters nationals and the
only improvement I noticed was that a CBreeze (tm) would now easily be
fitted. [;o)

I've used the C2 on the ground and on Slides a considerable amount and
the RowPerfect is so close to feeling the same as a C2 on Slides that
it would be hard to imagine any real difference in training benefit.
RowPerfect has some interesting software options, but those are
available for the C2 also (albeit not from RP). IMO, the only problem
with the RP is that it has the same limitation as the C2 on Slides,
which is absolutely no compensation for technical issues that would
effect system speed when in a boat (The displayed pace is merely a
power conversion from the raw calculation of watts being absorbed by
the flywheel, and bungee tension on the RP.). Of course there is
nothing that does that other than a boat, at this time, and the
simulation of such is not trivial, the balance variable alone would be
difficult to account for. Force profile analysis is quite useful but
widely debatable.

- Paul Smith
(No vested interest in either product individually, as my marketable
accessories work for both.)

[Xeno Muller, www.gorow.com]

Hello Paul and CO.
My name is Xeno. I run an indoor rowing gym here in Costa Mesa, CA.
It is called the Iron Oarsman. All the rowing machines that we have
are C2 on slides. I am lucky to be one of two distributors of the
Rowperfect in a few weeks. The RP has been redesigned and made truly
user friendly. The redesign focused heavily on the maintenance "free"
aspect. For me, as a gym owner it will be great to replace Concept2
because the footprint of the RP is half as large as C2. Once we have
the RP for sale, the only way to know which machine suits you best is
to directly compare them by rowing each one side by side.
All the very best!!!!
XENO

[Charles Carroll]

Hello Xeno -

I have had a C2 on slides with a Rower's Shadow attached, and I have been
very satisfied with it.

Nevertheless I have wondered about a RowPerfect. A little over a year ago
while visiting Carl in Staines I had about eight minutes on one. It was just
enough to whet my appetite.

I live in San Francisco, and occasionally have reason to travel south. If I
find myself anywhere in the vicinity of your gym, would it be possible to
drop by and try out a RowPerfect for an hour or so?

Cordially,

Charles

[Xeno Muller, www.gorow.com]

On Sep 16, 9:43 am, "Charles Carroll" <charles_carr...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Hello Charles,
Great to hear.
You can't imagine how excited I am to transform my gym into a store
too. So far all we had to offer was the use and instruction for
indoor rowing. Once we retail the Rowperfect I will go full circle
with the business. By not being able to sell the Concept2 it has been
really hard to spread the word of indoor rowing. Currently we are
still waiting for the Rowperfect to arrive. By the way, MARTHA
STEWART rowed on a C2 last week on her show.
All the best,
XENO

[Rachel Quarrell]

On Sun, 16 Sep 2007, Xeno Muller, www.gorow.com wrote:

> Hello Paul and CO.
> My name is Xeno. I run an indoor rowing gym here in Costa Mesa, CA.
> It is called the Iron Oarsman. All the rowing machines that we have
> are C2 on slides. I am lucky to be one of two distributors of the
> Rowperfect in a few weeks. The RP has been redesigned and made truly
> user friendly. The redesign focused heavily on the maintenance "free"
> aspect. For me, as a gym owner it will be great to replace Concept2
> because the footprint of the RP is half as large as C2. Once we have
> the RP for sale, the only way to know which machine suits you best is
> to directly compare them by rowing each one side by side.
> All the very best!!!!
> XENO

Hey Xeno, good to see you back on RSR.

(For the uninitiated, look at
http://80.83.47.230/n_bio_rower.fwx?no_id=7673 to see who you're e-talking
to. A man who knows his rowing and his rowing machines, for sure.)

Glad to hear the gym is still going well, and to see that your website has
been updated and is now getting regular blog entries. Also fun to see the
video clip again on the Olympics page, though perhaps you want to change
the last sentence of background about your next goal being "the 2004
Olympics". Nice to hear Goldstrom backing you as being in good shape
while he commentates the call-over, while Dan can't decide between Lange
and Porter.

To everyone - Slightly spine-tingling to see that 1996 clip, from Lange
and Cop in the same race (Cop still winning world and Olympic medals now,
of course); to Xeno's tremendous push and sudden massive winning margin;
to cameras on the boats clearly not getting in anyone's way and adding
hugely to the view of the race.

RQ.

[Walter Martindale]

My first experience with rowperfect was in 1997. I hope the flywheels
on the new machines are more robust and I trust that my experience was a
very rare one.

We were in the clubroom of the Invercargill Rowing Club (Invercargill,
New Zealand, almost the farthest south RC in the world), one of the
members had his RP there, and we were taking turns trying it out. He
(the owner, not the vague entity usually referred to with the capital
H) got on, piled on the effort, and was really spinning the flywheel. I
had a look in the flywheel cage as it was moving back and forth on the
rail when there was a clang, a whiz, and a thump. Then the flywheel
started bouncing.

What had happened - the welds let go on one of the flyweel vanes, the
vane broke free, clanged through the cage, whizzed past my head, and
thumped into the ceiling. Very happy that this pointed piece of
aluminium missed me. The bouncing flywheel was because it was now out
of balance.

Again, I trust that this was a very rare occurrence and that the new RP
of which Xeno speaks has a one-piece flywheel or at least one which will
remain together...
Walter

[paul_v...@hotmail.com]

On Sep 16, 1:34 pm, Walter Martindale
<wmart...@telusSPAMSTOPplanet.net> wrote:

The new one has a much more solid flywheel enclosure, as least the
example I have seen did. I must say that I'm glad you remained
unperforated so that I was able to meet you a few years after that
near miss.

- Paul Smith

[Walter Martindale]

paul_v...@hotmail.com wrote:

>
> The new one has a much more solid flywheel enclosure, as least the
> example I have seen did. I must say that I'm glad you remained
> unperforated so that I was able to meet you a few years after that
> near miss.
>
> - Paul Smith
>

Thanks Paul,
I'm glad I wasn't perforated, too. I like keeping my red stuff inside
where it's meant to be. People can survive some pretty nasty stuff,
though, and even had it hit me, it would have had to be pretty specific
in impact point to do me in.
Cheers.
W