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Edward Fryer

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Nov 28, 2006, 9:38:47 AM11/28/06
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Just came across this, which I thought was interesting:

http://www.balticlifejackets.com/product.asp?prod_id=37&lang=eng

No connection with the company, and I've never seen one of these things in
the flesh. Just thought that people might be interested. (Which is not to
say that I'm suggesting that this should be a substitute for buoyant boats,
but it might be an interesting addition for certain circumstances).


Liz

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Nov 28, 2006, 12:22:34 PM11/28/06
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I'd say from the picture that it looks like an interesting alternative
to a gilet for winter single sculling.

Has anyone tried one on for fit, and comfort during rowing/sculling?

anne.o...@yahoo.co.uk

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Nov 29, 2006, 9:57:57 AM11/29/06
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Had one delivered for our club this morning. A bit big for me, but
it's really light and comfortable. We're going to get someone to test
it in a single - as soon as the river gets low enough...

Carl Douglas

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Nov 29, 2006, 1:39:18 PM11/29/06
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Some of us have long been advocating high-visibility thermal jackets or
gilets for cold-weather rowing & sculling - preferably compulsory for
<18s when the water or air temperature is below something like 10C/50F.

This item looks very much like the kind of thing we have been advocating
for cold-water rowing - with the flotation element as a bonus.

Assuming it is rower-friendly in use, the only change I'd ask for would
be the provision of high-visibility details or flashes.

Does anyone have an idea of the unit price if bought in volume - as a
club might do?

Carl

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anne.o...@yahoo.co.uk

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Nov 29, 2006, 3:42:34 PM11/29/06
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They're £150 each for one or for more. I asked ERB when I ordered our
one.

Carl Douglas

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Nov 29, 2006, 5:28:04 PM11/29/06
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anne.o...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> They're £150 each for one or for more. I asked ERB when I ordered our
> one.
>

Ouch!

Eberhard Nabel

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Nov 30, 2006, 7:21:48 AM11/30/06
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Edward Fryer wrote:

85 N only! IMHO not enough.

Eberhard

Edd

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Nov 30, 2006, 9:30:17 AM11/30/06
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Eberhard Nabel wrote:

It's marketed as a bouyancy aid though (not a lifejacket). Aren't they
normally in the 50-100N range?

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Edd

Eberhard Nabel

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Nov 30, 2006, 1:22:38 PM11/30/06
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Edd wrote:

> Eberhard Nabel wrote:
>
....snip....


> >
> > 85 N only! IMHO not enough.
> >
>
> It's marketed as a bouyancy aid though (not a lifejacket). Aren't they
> normally in the 50-100N range?
>
> --
> Edd

Allright. It is marketed as a bouyancy aid. And it does make much sense
for the prevention of harm to anybody beeing forced to paddle in cold
water? Isn't that our main problem?

Eberhard

bill

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Nov 30, 2006, 1:23:16 PM11/30/06
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85 N is quite sufficient.

The USCG minimum buoyancy requirements for an inherently buoyant type
II (horseshoe) or type III (vest) is 67N, whereas the Type I is 98N.

Stephen and Jane

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Nov 30, 2006, 1:39:38 PM11/30/06
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The web details are confusing because the blurb states 85N while the logo at
the bottom says 50N.

85N is enough to keep you afloat - however you have to be swimming and
conscious. Here's the important difference:

A lifejacket is designed to put you into a safe position (turning you over
if necessary), keeping the head and neck out of the water and facing
upwards, even if you are unconscious. As its name suggests, a lifejacket
may save your life.

A buoyancy aid is, as its name suggests, simply an aid to staying afloat -
you have to make the effort to get into and stay in the safe position. If
you are drowsy, confused (eg hypothermia) injured or unconscious, then a
buoyancy aid will help you float, but maybe with your nose and mouth in the
water....

Jane.


C...@rocat.co.uk

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Dec 2, 2006, 4:02:23 AM12/2/06
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There are plenty of times when flotation devices for rowers are neither
necessary, nor appropriate, but I would suggest that they should be
absolutely standard wear if the rower is out solo, especially in 'open
water'.

Producing a boat that's designed for open water rowing, I decided that
I would encourage owners to wear a lifejacket/vest by providing one
with the boat. I have a box full of the makes and models that I bought
and tested and, on the whole, I was very disappointed with what I found
- did the manufacturers of these things never wear them themselves?!

Then I found a Danish gas-inflatable device made by Viking which was
way more comfortable than the rest - I put this thing on every time I
go out, and really don't notice I'm wearing it.

http://www.viking-life.com/usr/viking/VikingDotCom.nsf/linkopen/Frontpage-International?opendocument

People are beginning to talk about the sense of using buoyancy aids and
PFDs for rowing, in the way they used to talk about wearing seatbelts
in cars in the early 70s - I hope it doesn't take regulations to make
their use more widespread.

Christopher

www.rocat.co.uk

Eberhard Nabel

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Dec 2, 2006, 5:45:36 AM12/2/06
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C...@rocat.co.uk wrote:

...snip...


>
> Producing a boat that's designed for open water rowing, I decided that
> I would encourage owners to wear a lifejacket/vest by providing one
> with the boat.

An example for others to follow.

...snip...

>http://www.viking-life.com/usr/viking/VikingDotCom.nsf/linkopen/Frontpage-International?opendocument

Thank you for that link. They obviously have available automatic vests
with Hammar mechanism, which should be insensitive against rain and
spray. Is it such a vest you were testing?

> People are beginning to talk about the sense of using buoyancy aids and
> PFDs for rowing, in the way they used to talk about wearing seatbelts
> in cars in the early 70s - I hope it doesn't take regulations to make
> their use more widespread.

I remember that discussion as well and totally agree.

Eberhard

C...@rocat.co.uk

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Dec 2, 2006, 7:08:40 AM12/2/06
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Eberhard Nabel wrote:

> Thank you for that link. They obviously have available automatic vests
> with Hammar mechanism, which should be insensitive against rain and
> spray. Is it such a vest you were testing?

I chose to test only manual gas-inflatable lifejackets/vests as I
figured there could be occasions when you are in the water, but an
inflated device would be an encumberance. The manual ones only take a
tug on the cord if the situation gets too tricky.

Christopher

www.rocat.co.uk

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