any lesbian rowers?
Stuart A. Willson '98
the answers may be ignorant but there's so much blatant ignorance in the
original question that i find it hard to believe that the poster is a
lesbian. now i'm neither female nor gay but guessing that 50% of female
rowers are lesbians brings us back to the old stereotype that female
athletes must bere lesbians. why would there be more lesbians in rowing
than in anything else. is there some underlying power that impells
lesbians to row? c'mon this is ridiculous. and even more so, the idea of
gaydar. now, i've heard straight people use the term and they've been
called ignorant for thinking that there's a certain "gay look". you are
no less ignorant.
bemused,
stu
On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Stephan Matanovic wrote:
> Oh. That's a really good way to make friends. I can't wait to read the
> flame that you're going to get. Or maybe, such an ignorant answer doesn't
> even deserve an answer...
>
>
> --
> Stephan Matanovic
> SMata...@ibm.net
>
> Ben Dover wrote in article <33e89aad...@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
>
> >I thought they were all lesbians.
> >
>
>
>
>
Stephan Matanovic
Hey, I'm just observing. Don't try to lump me in with Ken, who made the
orginal post.
--
Stephan Matanovic
SMata...@ibm.net
Stuart A. Willson '98 wrote in article ...
LisaBenSTL
>I just have a question about the science of this query. Do you expect
>every female rower on this newsgroup to e-mail their sexual orientation
to
>you? Otherwise your question is not only completely inappropriate, but
>also totally pointless.
>
pointless? maybe if I hadn't elicited any responses. this wasn't meant
to be a scientific query, or an accurate account of lesbians in the sport.
merely posing a question that doesn't get asked or published in rowing
literature.
LisaBenSTL
when I wrote that post, I had no fear about what responses I would get. I
suppose I haven't had many negative responses in my life because I'm gay.
When I wrote it, I think I forgot about the homophobic world we live in.
I wrote it in the context of the gay friendly/accepting world I imagine is
possible sometime in my lifetime. So it really didn't take much courage,
maybe just a little bit of hope mixed with pure stupidity for forgetting
for a moment that so many people hate/fear/don't understand gays and
lesbians. I'm sure the mail I will receive in the coming days will remind
me ever so clearly of this fact.
That was the first time I entered into the rowers newsgroup section and
the first time I ever posted anything. It actually was a devious attempt
to meet other lesbian rowers. Judging from some of the responses so far,
I'm not doing half bad! But it was a serious question that I would now
like to spend some time on to come up with a percentage based on facts. I
remember one 4 I raced in last year that, coincidentally, was made up of
all lesbians, including the coxswain and coach!! (who, coincidentally I
dated last summer--the coach that is!) That certainly is not the norm
though, the women's team last year was roughly 30-35% for my school. I
would like to see if this phenomenon is common for crews elsewhere.
Lisa
Anthony Parry-Jones
LisaBenSTL <lisab...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970807153...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> >you? Otherwise your question is not only completely inappropriate, but
> >also totally pointless.
> >
> pointless? maybe if I hadn't elicited any responses. this wasn't meant
> to be a scientific query, or an accurate account of lesbians in the
sport.
> merely posing a question that doesn't get asked or published in rowing
> literature.
Perhaps the reason it doesn't get asked is that no-one's interested....
Anthony
David S.
dyke wrote:
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> Ken wrote:
> >
> > I thought they were all lesbians.
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Sanae Kubota
Pointless perhaps (and also unasked) because who cares? I guess you do but I don{t
see how it affects rowing so maybe it goes unasked not because people are shy or
immature but because nobody cares. I don{t know why you{re concerned with it unless
you{re trying to set up a dating service or something .. But otherwise maybe we
should all get back to worrying about the rowing itself.
: pointless? maybe if I hadn't elicited any responses. this wasn't meant
: to be a scientific query, or an accurate account of lesbians in the sport.
: merely posing a question that doesn't get asked or published in rowing
: literature.
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and this on the bank of the Charles...
Ken
Iglapolo
So, as an openly gay college coach, I can assure you there are plenty of
lesbian rowers, I have coached a good number at both the high school and
the college level. There are also a number of very good lesbian coaches
around. There are many fewer gay men coaching that are "out", and fewer
openly gay men rowing at the college level as well. The point made
earlier that perhaps this hasn't been studied because no-one cares is not
at all true. It hasn't been studied because there is still a great deal
of homophobia in rowing, and in athletics in general, particularly at the
higher levels of the sport. Getting jobs is already hard, harder still
for openly gay and lesbian coaches. As to gaydar, it most definitely
does exist, and furthermore, it got me hooked up with a number of very
nice boys from the Naval Academy while I was in college, and it's not
about people "looking gay", it's deeper. Good luck to all rowers out
there, and for the gay and lesbian ones, keep your heads up, you're not
alone. Wear a rainbow flag on a bad at the next regatta you go to, and
you'll be surprised how many people you'll meet!
Charley Sullivan
Kelev DC
There is a Gay rowing club in Washington DC.
DC Strokes Rowing Club
Check out the Home page
http://www.clark.net/pub/dcsrc/dcsrc2.htm
Steven Damsky
DCSRC Webmaster
Koster J.A.
Kelev DC wrote:
>
> There is a Gay rowing club in Washington DC.
>
> DC Strokes Rowing Club
>
> Check out the Home page
>
> http://www.clark.net/pub/dcsrc/dcsrc2.htm
Check out those erg scores! Wow!
http://www.clark.net/pub/dcsrc2/erg.htm
--
Adriaan Koster
Artificial Intelligence, VU Amsterdam
a3...@cs.vu.nl - http://www.cs.vu.nl/~a3aan
+31 20 4447785
Hy Lindsay
Also a team in Toronto: "Q Crew".
Hy Lindsay
avi...@pathcom.com
Kelev DC <kel...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970812010...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> There is a Gay rowing club in Washington DC.
>
> DC Strokes Rowing Club
>
> Check out the Home page
>
> http://www.clark.net/pub/dcsrc/dcsrc2.htm
>
> Steven Damsky
> DCSRC Webmaster
>
HaHA
Koster J.A. wrote:
>
> Kelev DC wrote:
> >
> > There is a Gay rowing club in Washington DC.
> >
> > DC Strokes Rowing Club
> >
> > Check out the Home page
> >
> > http://www.clark.net/pub/dcsrc/dcsrc2.htm
>
>
LisaBenSTL
Charley, I wish there were more people out there in the world--open and
proud about their sexuality. After posting the original message, many
people have written me and asked what my question had to do with rowing.
Reading through the hundreds of other posts, I couldn't find one that
prompted the indignation I have encountered--how dare I put forth the
possibility that some women rowers are lesbians. Next thing you know I'll
offer the possiblity that it's ok to be a homosexual! God forbid!! <grin>
Lisa
gdoyle
In article <19970815023...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, lisab...@aol.com
says...
>
>I wish there were more people out there in the world--open and
>proud about their sexuality.
I really think you're getting the picture here, cupcake....
No one cares.
Do what (and whom) ever you choose. Grope your boatmate, roommate,
family pet, whatever gives your skirt (or spandex) a twirl.
>After posting the original message, many
>people have written me and asked what my question had to do with rowing.
Don't expect people on a rowing newsgroup to welcome your
sexuality questions as topic-appropriate. I didn't post my rigging
questions to alt.sex.nymphomania and if I had, I'd wear asbestos to
protect myself from the flames (no pun..) that would follow.
>Reading through the hundreds of other posts, I couldn't find one that
>prompted the indignation I have encountered
Perhaps you should have read the "Prep not going to Henley" posts.
>--how dare I put forth the
>possibility that some women rowers are lesbians.
No, how dare you get indignant when we ignore your sexuality as irrelevant
to your and our rowing interests. If you've got an oar, join the fray. If
you've got a hankering for your boatmates (either flavor) keep it between
yourself and that person.
>Next thing you know I'll
>offer the possiblity that it's ok to be a homosexual! God forbid!! <grin>
>Lisa
As if America hadn't had enough of bad gay stereotypes lately, you have to
go and play the militant spotlight-hogging spoiled brat, angry at the
world cause we don't pat you on the back every five minutes to reassure
you of your value as a person.
You need to think about one thing on this newsgroup: if you row, you are
valuable. (The rest of the world, of course, can stuff it.)
Greg Doyle
Philadelphia, Pa.
gdo...@dynanet.com
thebat
gdoyle wrote:
> You need to think about one thing on this newsgroup: if you row, you are
> valuable. (The rest of the world, of course, can stuff it.)
>
> Greg Doyle
Oh, oh! Thought police.
Boinnnggggggg!!!
;-) <-------------------8
Chris Oxner
>
so and so wrote:
> Charley, I wish there were more people out there in the world--open
> and
> proud about their sexuality. After posting the original message, many
>
> people have written me and asked what my question had to do with
> rowing.
> Reading through the hundreds of other posts, I couldn't find one that
> prompted the indignation I have encountered--how dare I put forth the
> possibility that some women rowers are lesbians. Next thing you know
> I'll
> offer the possiblity that it's ok to be a homosexual! God forbid!!
> <grin>
> Lisa
Why are some people so compelled to make an issue out of their
sexuality. If you are
so self concious with yourself that you have to make a point of where
you sleep at night you should seek a good therapist. Please don't waste
everybody's time with your trivial commentary.
PETE
Shootnseas
Poor Little You - Ask a simple question and get abused because the other
people in the forum choose to put their interests in a specific subject
ahead of your interest in your sexual preference, resent your insistance
on inserting it into the conversation. How rude that they will not
accomodate your self-imposed tribulations!
It is curious to see that thedynamics of political tactics used by any
minority rarely change, and I am sure that you regard it a badge of honor
that you were not treated well. That my young friend is self-reinforcing
and self defeating behaviour. You asked the question and you got
responses you did not like. You anticipated that, but it does not
matter, you still get to feel sorry for yourself. Please!
The question is seen as rhetorical and because it is out of context can be
regarded as a ploy to elecit responses for people with similar interests
. Such tactics are viewed by other list members as rude at best and more
likely to disrupt the common interest. As a normal hetrosexual male i
could not imagine asking if there were women rowers who also practiced the
"world's oldest profession" in this forum. Such a question is insulting
to the people with no interest in that sort of behaviour and get me
tossed off in a heart beat . Deservedly so too! Do you see the
analogy?
Are there lesbian gay rowers? Of Course there are - just like there are
gay astrophysicists and ditchdiggers, and lesbian surgeons and sous
chefs. Let me be real blunt - suck it up, understand why the responses
occurred, that you started it and have no right to accuse people of
homophobia because they are not interested in the subject of your sexual
preferences
take the advice of the earlier writer sho said wear a rainbow at the next
regatta. You will get yours then. " Discreet" is a wonderful thing !
Phil Rogers
RIKAAA
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BRAVO, Phil!