Re: Another fatal accident report from a long time ago
Carl Douglas
>One of my work colleagues is doing research on medical manslaughter (don't
>ask!) and she's currently working her way through the Times (UK) newspaper
>looking up all inquest reports. Having got to 1888 she came across this
>today (beware it's 1.8Mb and apologies to The Times if still in copyright)
>
>http://www.cabg05071.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Fatal.pdf
>
>Now being an Emmanuel man I already knew the story, and that the 3
>protagonists were Emmanuel, Clare and Trinity Hall and not LMBC (despite
>their scarlet blazer) or 2nd Trinity (despite their demise) but this is the
>first time I've read the complete report at first hand and it's fascinating
>to compare the immense detail in which this inquest is reported compared
>with the Reading one.
>
>We'll await to see what effect the current one(s) will have on rowing
>compared with this one (end of pointy bows).
>
>
That is a remarkable & historic report, Christopher!
The poor guy was run through the heart by an errant eight. The cox,
with admirable honesty, made no excuses despite the gravity of the
charge which might potentially follow the inquest (but happily did not).
The coroner remarked that the pointed bow was unnecessary.
Yet, 70 years later, rowing eights were still racing with unprotected,
pointed & brass-shod bows. And, almost 120 years later, we _still_ have
shells on every stretch of water whose bow balls are so perished or
otherwise deficient that the same accident as that of 1888 would have
the identical fatal outcome.
What is it about rowers that means we don't need to learn from events?
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Christopher Anton
Christopher Anton
when everyone's minds were fresh rather than several months later when
they've had chance to contact their lawyers and get told what to say!
Carl Douglas
>even more amazing is that the inquest was held the day after the accident
>when everyone's minds were fresh rather than several months later when
>they've had chance to contact their lawyers and get told what to say!
>
>
In the present case of Sikander Farooq, a prompt inquest might very well
have prevented the publication, on 2 websites, of an "official" account
of the event which now appears somewhat inconsistent with the evidence
reportedly given to the inquest.
It would also have saved a number of people, including the lad's family,
but others as well, from 6-months of deep anguish & uncertainty.
I am sure the waiting must have been dreadful for all concerned. If you
doubt that, ask Jane & Stephen Blockley. When it starts on 3 October,
they will have waited over 4 years & 9 months for a final inquest into
Leo's death.
Carl
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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y90/Aceel/collision2.gif
It is antique as well: Olympic Games 1936.
There have been attempts to improve things. One of my boats (made in
1991) has tnis bow:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y90/Aceel/Pohlusbug1.jpg
Carl, would you build such a bow?
Eberhard
Carl Douglas
>There is another accident reported by the French Rowing Association.
>http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y90/Aceel/collision2.gif
>It is antique as well: Olympic Games 1936.
Not a pretty sight! That looks like the same kind of injury that Silken
Lauman suffered at Essen.
They say a picture is worth 1000 words. That picture should be shoved
in front of every rower who argues that any old bow ball will do. In
fact, it should be incorporated into every water safety document.
>There have been attempts to improve things. One of my boats (made in
>1991) has tnis bow:
>http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y90/Aceel/Pohlusbug1.jpg
>Carl, would you build such a bow?
Amazing! It looks like a kind of figurehead!
It might not be quite my choice, & I do wonder about its interference
with the bow's entry into the water, but I am sure it will reduce the
chance of impaling anyone. My only question is why have the ball as a
protrusion beyond the rest of the bow protector - but I think there was
an artistic licence at work.
Cheers -
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Carl Douglas schrieb:
> Amazing! It looks like a kind of figurehead!
>
> It might not be quite my choice, & I do wonder about its interference
> with the bow's entry into the water, but I am sure it will reduce the
> chance of impaling anyone. My only question is why have the ball as a
> protrusion beyond the rest of the bow protector - but I think there was
> an artistic licence at work.
>
Right. Unfortunately I could not find the manufacturer of the boat. So
I could not ask him these questions. Nevertheless it may show one
possible direction to follow.
Eberhard
Alistair Potts
'M. Pasteur having entered the lists as a competitor for the reward of
Ł25,000 offered by the Government of New South Wales for exterminating
the superabundant rabbits, is sending by the Orient Line mail steamer
Cuzco, leaving Naples to-day, three delegates with a supply of "microbes
du choléra des poules," with which he hopes to win the prize.'
Biological warfare - nice! I do believe this is _the_ M. Pasteur.
Pasteur was an expert on chicken cholera and the cholera bacillus, which
could quickly devastate a farm. In 1880 (this is the bit everyone
knows) Pasteur went back to Paris and left his chicken cholera cultures
on a shelf. When he went back to the farm to kill a few chickens not
only did they survive, they became immune! The rest is history.
He would have been very famous in 1888.
Can rabbits get chicken cholera? Humans can't. It obviously didn't work
anyway.
Alistair Potts
http://www.asap.unimelb.edu.au/bsparcs/exhib/pasteur/pasteur.htm
Basically it didn't work, and killed all the birds instead, so he didn't
win the prize.
bill
really of any use in a direct collision--there is just way too much
energy and momentum--especially with an 8. The bow-ball will get
pushed right through its mounting, or through the person. I would
suggest a crushable foam bow with a watertight bhd about 40 to 100
centimeters aft.
Has anyone done any ballistic research in order to properly design a
bow ball? One could then come up with what amounts to a "minimum
radius to prevent penetration" or some such, or a range of radii
plotted against a range of elastic modulii or elongation etc.
Remember about a year ago when a student in Connecticut was impaled
through his body? So history repeats itself.
Regards,
Bill
david.h...@aea.be
Christopher Anton wrote:
>
>
> Now being an Emmanuel man I already knew the story, and that the 3
> protagonists were Emmanuel, Clare and Trinity Hall and not LMBC (despite
> their scarlet blazer) or 2nd Trinity (despite their demise)
>
So what is the story of LMBC's scarlet blazers and 2nd Trinity's demise?
Jon Anderson
> So what is the story of LMBC's scarlet blazers and 2nd Trinity's demise?
2nd Trinity BC died out because there were not enough people involved.
This was way back in the 1870s.
http://www.firstandthird.org/frames/club/dhistory.shtml
(this is a really good website BTW)
LMBC was only one of the rowing clubs within St John's College Cambridge
but it is the only one to have survived.
I guess scarlet was just their colour - the jackets were the first to be
called 'blazers'.
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True, it is the rubber bow of a single and ugly, but in principle......
Eberhard
Henning Lippke
> True, it is the rubber bow of a single and ugly, but in principle......
What makes it more ugly than other bows?
The colour? Not really, look at the Empacher bow, also black. (rumour
says to hide mistakes)
The material itself? Well, if you spend your time with grabbing the bow
all the time and not row this thing... but then you probably don't need
to worry about the bow either.
-HL
Jon Anderson
> <anorak>
> I call "bluff". Blazers were "invented" in 1837 (or thereabouts) by
> the Captain of HMS Blazer (hence the name) .
>
> refs.
> http://www.navynews.co.uk/ships/blazer.asp
> http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/4743.html
>
> </anorak> - well, I won't get into Remenham *or* Stewards wearing an
> anorak, will I?
I'm not bluffing, I'm just mistaken. :-)
David Biddulph
> Richard Packer wrote:
> > <anorak>
> > I call "bluff". Blazers were "invented" in 1837 (or thereabouts) by
> > the Captain of HMS Blazer (hence the name) .
> >
> > refs.
> > http://www.navynews.co.uk/ships/blazer.asp
> > http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/4743.html
> >
> > </anorak> - well, I won't get into Remenham *or* Stewards wearing an
> > anorak, will I?
> I'm not bluffing, I'm just mistaken. :-)
I wouldn't normally argue against Richard, but the origins of the
blazer are discussed in detail in an article by Hugh Stewart in Volume
2 of the History of LMBC (published in 1957). The HMS Blazer theory is
discussed, with the aid of investigations by the then Deputy Director
of the National Maritime Museum. Hugh's article also quotes the
opinion of the then President of the Society for Nautical Research
(also a Trustee of the National Maritime Museum), who stated his
complete disbelief in the naval theory.
David Biddulph
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Alistair Potts
white striped guernseys, and don't claim ownership of the word. The word
is not recorded at all in print before 1880.
q.v. Daily News 22 Aug. 1889: "In your article of to-day you speak of ‘a
striped red and black blazer’, ‘the blazer’, also of ‘the pale toned’
ones. A blazer is the red flannel boating jacket worn by the Lady
Margaret, St. John's College, Cambridge, Boat Club. When I was at
Cambridge it meant that and nothing else. It seems from your article
that a blazer now means a coloured flannel jacket, whether for cricket,
tennis, boating, or seaside wear."
You can just picture the apoplexy of the grumpy-old-gent....
A
PS Of course they're red to commemorate the tragic killing of a member
of 2nd Trinity when they were St. John's College BC. That's how 'Bumps'
were invented, y'know. 2nd Trinity were disbanded forever in respect and
St. John's never again allowed to compete under their college's name.
David Biddulph
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> PS Of course they're red to commemorate the tragic killing of a member of
> 2nd Trinity when they were St. John's College BC. That's how 'Bumps' were
> invented, y'know. 2nd Trinity were disbanded forever in respect and St.
> John's never again allowed to compete under their college's name.
Alistair is, I assume, aware that the afore-mentioned popular legend is
totally fictitious.
The only fatal accident in the bumps was that in 1888, to which Christopher
referred in the post which began this thread (a Clare man being killed by
the impact of a Trinity Hall boat). The history of the old clubs, including
2nd Trinity and the various St John's clubs, is covered in the excellent
book (and supporting CD) "The Bumps", see http://www.thebumps.co.uk/
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