Karlisch
ehewitt
a friend asked the following:
"Maybe you can solve my puzzle:
Whatever happened to the Karlisch oar manufacturing company?" Prior to
Concept II revolutionizing the oar industry, they were considered the
finest wooden oars made."
any info from the rsr brain trust?
e
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Mike Sullivan
ehewitt wrote:
> a friend asked the following:
>
> "Maybe you can solve my puzzle:
>
> Whatever happened to the Karlisch oar manufacturing company?" Prior to
> Concept II revolutionizing the oar industry, they were considered the
> finest wooden oars made."
>
they made outstanding shells also, they were
the boat of choice of Karl Adam's crews in the
60s.
Donorotico disappeared also, the Kiwis won in
that eight in '72.
Mike
Anu Dudhia
> Donorotico disappeared also, the Kiwis won in
> that eight in '72.
Didn't Donoratico turn into Filippi?
Mike Sullivan
Anu Dudhia wrote:
I recall one or more of their top craftsmen going to Empacher,
but don't trust my memory.
Mike
Dave Henderson
>
> they made outstanding shells also, they were
> the boat of choice of Karl Adam's crews in the
> 60s.
>
> Donorotico disappeared also, the Kiwis won in
> that eight in '72.
>
> Mike
Ah, nostalgia! Karlisch and Donoratico. As different as Porsche and
Ferrari.
The most beautiful boat I ever saw was a brand-new Don eight of
Winchester School, wooden, but with the hull painted midnight blue.
One of the nicest I ever rowed in was the Karlisch in which GBR won
World silver in 1974.
Dave H
Mike De.Petris
(2:333/608.1) scrisse al povero All :
s> Donorotico disappeared also, the Kiwis won in
s> that eight in '72.
Donoratico never stopped boats production.
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Mike De.Petris
scrisse al povero All :
d>
d> Didn't Donoratico turn into Filippi?
Oh no, mr. Lido Filippi worked for Donoratico (that is also the name of the
town) and started a new boat line the "Donoratico New Rowing", then he
started his own line as "Filippi" and in fact the boat were similar, the "New
Rowing" line was the first with wooden covers.
Donoratico still exists with various lines of boats, the same is true for
Salani, of course Filippi has got a bigger international success.
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I'm sorry, I live only 30 km from their (former) works, but don't have any information
right now. The local rowing community fell asleep when winter came, and it may take a few
days til I meet someone who can say more.
-HL
ehewitt
ed
Henning Lippke (H_Li...@fast-net.de) wrote:
: > any info from the rsr brain trust?
:
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Mike Sullivan
"Mike De.Petris" wrote:
> In uno strano messaggio del 20 Dec 01 su...@forsythe.stanford.edu
> (2:333/608.1) scrisse al povero All :
> s> Donorotico disappeared also, the Kiwis won in
> s> that eight in '72.
>
> Donoratico never stopped boats production.
amazing. You'd never know from the US. I think that's
an interesting story. 'Dons' became fairly widely distributed
in the US and Canada (Canadians loved that boat) ever since
the '70 World Championships in St Catherines.
It's my understanding that Rusty Robertson settled
on the Don as the boat of choice for the outstanding
New Zealand crews of that era, and everybody jumped
on the bandwagon (here on this side of the pond).
There were few US collegiate crews with Donoroticos,
but some of the east coast clubs had them, and there was
a fleet in St Catherines and in Vancouver (or were a lot
of these simply left over from '70???
As soon as crews started going to composite boats in
'80s, we never heard from Donorotico again here.
No links in either Ed's or Rachel's sites.
Mike
Mike De.Petris
(2:333/608.1) scrisse al povero All :
..
s> As soon as crews started going to composite boats in
s> '80s, we never heard from Donorotico again here.
In the same years Donoratico produced composite boats, first line was named
"Arrow" and was vey good, they still produce wooden, composite and plastic
boats, don't know why the international selling dropped, but I know somebody
in USA is still using some "Donoratico 3".
s> No links in either Ed's or Rachel's sites.
It's still not so common for italian manufactures to have a net presence, you
may find that even those that have a site, give little if any email support
and other "live presence".
John Davis
"Dave Henderson" <david.h...@aea.be> wrote in message > > snip>
> Ah, nostalgia! Karlisch and Donoratico. As different as Porsche and
> Ferrari.
>
> The most beautiful boat I ever saw was a brand-new Don eight of
> Winchester School, wooden, but with the hull painted midnight blue.
> Snip>
Those wooden Don's were a real piece of furniture - gorgeous, as are the
wood Kings and Carl's wooden boats. However, the most beautiful boat I ever
saw (Sully you may remember this one) was in St. Catherine's in '73. It was
a Sargeant and Burton. The skin was nearly black on the outside and white
on the inside. It had coffin-lid decks which hinged up for access to the
inside of the decks. As striking as that was, the shoulders were
alternating layers of white and black wood laminated together. It was a real
work of art, but I wonder how much it weighed! Some of our distinguished
and long-in-the-tooth Canadian friends may recall that boat as well.
JD
David Biddulph
> Mike Sullivan <su...@forsythe.stanford.edu> wrote in message
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> >
> > they made outstanding shells also, they were
> > the boat of choice of Karl Adam's crews in the
> > 60s.
> >
> > Donorotico disappeared also, the Kiwis won in
> > that eight in '72.
> >
> > Mike
>
> Ah, nostalgia! Karlisch and Donoratico. As different as Porsche and
> Ferrari.
You could usually tell someone who regularly rowed in a Don. They
either came forward with their fingertips lifted clear of the blade, or
their finger-nails were bashed on those metal bars.
We picked up our Karlisch eight at the first Salzgitter international
regatta (1977) and were impressed with its speed. We'll have to have a
25th anniversary outing next May (with subs for absent friends).
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Paul Slade
produce a shoulderless eight --- all in wood I might add.
Im not sure of the year that it was made, but I think that there was a
German Olympic crew rowing it sometime in the 70s.
I also know that this boat was under 98kgs - the modern day FISA limit.
Outstanding for a wooden boat wouldn't you say?
I really dont know about the construction of the boat but Im sure it was
some kind of sandwich construction. Maybe like the last Empacher wooden
eights with Cedar skins and a Jellaton core on the sax boards.
Anyone know anymore about this boat which was obviously well ahead of its
years!?
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Mike Sullivan
David Biddulph wrote:
>
snip
>
> > Ah, nostalgia! Karlisch and Donoratico. As different as Porsche and
> > Ferrari.
>
> You could usually tell someone who regularly rowed in a Don. They
> either came forward with their fingertips lifted clear of the blade, or
> their finger-nails were bashed on those metal bars.
ouch, LOL.
For rthe portside stroke, it was the third finger of the right
hand that had a hole drilled in it at the top knucke, it
hit direclty at the corner of the shoulder.
Mike
Herr Kra
They never really succeeded in making the transfer to "plastic" boats and
closed down finally. Unfortunately I don't know the year when that happened,
but nit has been quite a few years ago!
Stephan Krajewski
David Biddulph
news:3c24b...@news1.mweb.co.za...
> It might interest everyone to know that Donoratico were the first
company to
> produce a shoulderless eight --- all in wood I might add.
>
> Im not sure of the year that it was made, but I think that there was a
> German Olympic crew rowing it sometime in the 70s.
>
> I also know that this boat was under 98kgs - the modern day FISA
limit.
Current FISA limit is 96kg
http://www.worldrowing.com/documents/word07_000133.pdf
Paul Slade
Thanks :-)
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Trurl
> produce a shoulderless eight --- all in wood I might add.
>
> Im not sure of the year that it was made, but I think that there was a
> German Olympic crew rowing it sometime in the 70s.
>
> I also know that this boat was under 98kgs - the modern day FISA limit.
> Outstanding for a wooden boat wouldn't you say?
>
> I really dont know about the construction of the boat but Im sure it was
> some kind of sandwich construction. Maybe like the last Empacher wooden
> eights with Cedar skins and a Jellaton core on the sax boards.
>
> Anyone know anymore about this boat which was obviously well ahead of its
> years!?
I'm still impressed with the drag characteristics of the hull. I ran
it through my program "Michlet" a couple of years ago and it came up
very well in comparisons with more modern hulls. That is, no doubt,
because the shoulders are very small and hence the wave drag is less
than hulls with pronounced shoulders. If you look at a paper by Scragg
and Nelson, "The Design of an Eight-Oared Racing Shell" (sorry I'm on
holidays in inland Australia and didn't bring my papers with me,
sadly) you will see from the graphs therein that the Donoratico
performs as well as the Vespoli hull designed by Carl Scragg and Bruce
Nelson. The Vespoli had a slight advantage in shallow water (less than
about 3metres), but in deep water there is little to separate the two
hulls.
I agree that it was well ahead of its time! In terms of drag
(including dynamic squat) and stability, I rank it second only to
Graeme King designs I modified last month.
Happy New Year
Leo.
Henning Lippke
Sommerfeld).
We have a Fiso quad in our boathouse:
http://www.bmasoft.de/douglas/details/DSC00026.jpg
A wonderful boat, very strong, but also very heavy.
-HL
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He and Empacher learned at the same yard, and worked together the first years.
Then Empacher moved to southern germany.
I have heard rumors that say, that Empacher might have build boats "in a manner" as his former collegue karlisch did.
Karlisch did invent plenty of DIY boatbuilding sets for sailing boats too.
They were to assemble at home.
There have been sold plenty of them.
And imagine :
The karlisch boats manufacture was 10km away from Karl Adam in Ratzeburg.
He definitely took great benefit from the brilliance of his boats.
Funny, because Janusek stämpfli still build the eight on the karlisch form.
