Aylings RIP
Nomis
j...@durge.org
: Anyone with news on whats happening with Aylings?
Where did you hear this news?
Jon
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Alister Taylor
> Nomis <ketc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> : Anyone with news on whats happening with Aylings?
>
> Where did you hear this news?
>
> Jon
My coach told me that they have just been bought by Lola. should be
pretty reliable, he's been in contact with them in the last few days.
Cheers,
Al
John Whyte
bought a British boat builder but would not say who....could be
interesting..!!
Scott C
series?
If so, what would they want with a boat builder?
Scott C
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Rob Collings
<pea...@SPAMiinet.net.au> wrote:
>is this Lola as in the race car maker that make cars for CART and other
>series?
>
>If so, what would they want with a boat builder?
They started making rowing shells a while ago - a year maybe? A bit
longer? They look nice, but I've no idea how they compare. I guess
they might have been finding it a hard market to break into so buying
Aylings is probably a sound business move.
Rob.
Nomis
> Nomis <ketc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> : Anyone with news on whats happening with Aylings?
>
> Where did you hear this news?
>
> Jon
ChrisPhilippa
Lola started making boats at the start of 2001, since then we have sold over 70
single sculls. This was the culmination of a design and build exercise, which
was started 12 months earlier.
As with all business plans they look fine to start with but there is always an
element of risk. It was therefore decided to start off with singles and then
move into the larger boats after the initial 12-month period. This allowed Lola
to assess it's product offering and to assess manufacturing/market margins and
selling price against the initial business plan.
After a better than expected first year, with regard to boat sales, the
decision was made to move on to all the larger boats. As with all business
expansions this can be done by principly two means; acquisition or generic
growth, both have merits but must be taken on a case by case basis.
In this case it was decided that by joining with Aylings it would provide Lola
with all the tooling necessary to manufacture the complete range of boats. In
addition the joint venture provides Lola with an established network of sales
and uses, therefore reducing our time to market.
Aylings, is a recognised world brand leader, especially with its recent
success. Couple this fact with the larger international business of Lola should
point those curious about Lola's motives in the right direction.
Although, this sounds all a bit clinically big business stuff, it is completely
necessary to develop and grow a multi national business. The benefits however,
are that the joined business will be able to offer a world class product with
worldwide support, manufactured using a worldwide recognised quality procedure
(ISO9000). Lola's business provides formally controlled design and manufacture,
with feedback loops, which allows our customers to receive consistent high
quality components.
It is Lola's intention to deploy its technical and manufacturing skills to
develop the next generation(s) of rowing boat designs. For those curious of
Lola's business, please find time to visit our website (www.lolacars.com).
I personally very much care about our products and peoples perception of them.
Therefore, just for background, I have rowed up to junior international level
and have been rowing for 23 years. As much as I would not want to row or buy a
product, which did not meet my personal expectations, I would not want anyone
else to either.
If anyone has any further questions that were not answered by the above, I
would be more than happy to answer any of them by email, my business email (not
the one attached to this) is cnew...@lolacars.com
Regards
Chris Newland
Engineering & Commercial Executive
Anu Dudhia
> Hello, my name is Chris Newland and I am responsible for the boats at Lola.
> Chris Newland
> Engineering & Commercial Executive
Welcome to r.s.r.
I hope your company also allow you to monitor this newsgroup as part of your day
job
ChrisPhilippa
becomes more uncertain!
I am extremely lucky to have in addition my sport involved with my work.
regards
Chris Newland
Michael Kerscher
Concerning The LOLA boats:
Does anyone know how they compete? I just visited their website and they
LOOK pretty fine, the specs sound good, too...
But has anyone ever rowed one? Would be interesting...
HAND,
Mac
jr...@cfl.rr.no-spam.com
wrote:
>Hello, my name is Chris Newland and I am responsible for the boats at Lola.
>
<snip>
>It is Lola's intention to deploy its technical and manufacturing skills to
>develop the next generation(s) of rowing boat designs. For those curious of
>Lola's business, please find time to visit our website (www.lolacars.com).
>
>Regards
>
>Chris Newland
>Engineering & Commercial Executive
>
Might I suggest for starters that your company acquire rights to the
www.lolaboats.com domain?
J
j brontey
To have a rowing family member finally associated with racing cars is
a dream come true here in Montreal. The Formula 1 track actually runs
right beside the Olympic basin (I drive on the track almost every day
going down to row) and we get booted off the water for a week for
security reasons around the time of the Grand Prix. This year it is
bound to happen again because of the Molson Indy August 25.
Generally we have been getting a bit deeper into their good books by
running a constructers regatta. We get a few eights out of the pit
crew/engineers and two years ago we had Hakkenin in a rowing shell (it
seems to me that McLaren has a few ex-rowers in their midst as they
gave Ferarri a licking they won't soon forget last year). Anyway, it
seems that every other CART chassis is a Lola, so we should probably
get some of those guys out into some wheel-less Lola's down at the
basin some time.
Ben Storey
McGill University Rowing Club
jbrontey(at)yahoo.com
ChrisPhilippa
www.lolaboats.com domain?
Thank you I will mention this to our marketing people.
regards
Chris Newland
j...@durge.org
: Thank you I will mention this to our marketing people.
You can buy it yourself for some paltry sum and keep it safe for the
company.
Thanks for filling us all in on the Aylings situation.
Aylings as it is (minus the sculling range?) is to continue as it is?
There is a clearly established brand there so I guess it'd be nuts to
touch it.
Daniel Meanley
the fact that it was a relatively new company. But I spoke to Chris before
I bought it, saw and tried the boat, and could not be happier. Very stiff
nice trim and run.
But the main point is the finish is impeccable, plus who better to build a
carbon composite structure than a formula racing car company!
Regards Dan
(First one in Ireland)
Andrew
shape is concerned, I have not been in a better boat (i've used aylings, WM,
yanousek, stamfli, resolute, sims, burgashell, MPS and empacher oops AND
Carl Douglas lightweight 1x shells, I tried a lot before I bought the LOLA
and in the past :-) It's the fastest feeling boat i've been in, my old boat
was an aylings by the way, but it can take a while to get used to as its
motion does feel noticably different to most boats. It is very stiff, well
designed and the rigger is good too. The design of the cockpit is awsome, I
rarely even take the smallest amount of water in except in the roughest
conditions (anyone who knows holme pierpont will know what I mean), and when
water does come in when turning it shoots out under the rigger and and onto
the canvas when you go off again and leaves at most 1inch of water in the
bottom of the boat. The
boat is slightly overweight but not massively (ie not over 15k, I havn't
weighed it yet going from experiance/comparison). It says +-8% on 14kg from
memory on their web site. However when I got my boat some of the finishing
fittings were very poor and this still hasn't been resolved. The shoes were
not aligned properly on the footplate (which attatches to the stretcher) it
must be said that this is because the holes in the addidas shoes are not
symetrical rather than the drilling of the footplate itself. Still this is
highly annoying when you pay over £3300 for a boat, the best response I got
was take it up with Addidas or we'll give you a new footplate, but it'll
take
10 wks to process, the woman (very nice, polite etc, but not a rower) didn't
seem to grasp the fact that there was nothing wrong with the footplate
itself. However service has been good and good will shown as I was given a
'new' lighter rigger for free when it had been designed. Generally service
was good its just the staff aren't rowers and so can not relate or grasp the
problems involved.
I am afraid I may have given a negative impression about the boat. I do not
mean to convey this at all, I have been very happy with boat OVERALL and
have
had my best ever performances in it inc a 7.20 2K. Its just a few problems
that are probably teething problems for the company and will be ironed out.
I'm sure Chris will get back to me, he is very knowledgable and from what I
can see the drivng force behind the boats at LOLA, however he does not have
a team who know about rowing, but now aylings have been bought out I am sure
this will all change as well. I wish them good luck and thanks for my boat
I love it.
I hope I have conveyed an honest opinion, if anyone wants a specific
question
to be answered about the boat I will be happy to help
Andy
"Michael Kerscher" <Michael....@T-Online.de> wrote in message
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Andrew
days. The Aylings issue has been set straight from the strings below. I
have also heard that Burgashell have closed down, does anyone know about
this? A bigger boat builder Simms is also doing things. I have heard one
biew that he has gone bust and the other that he has actualy just sold his
plot on Trentside and is relocating somewhere else (this view was expressed
as someone has been trying to buy the land he's on for upwards of 10 years
and that he's too astute to let himself go bust). Does anyone know the
truth?
Andy
"Nomis" <ketc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Michael Kerscher
Andrew wrote:
> I have had one (LOLA L1x) for the last six months or so. As far as the
> shape is concerned, I have not been in a better boat (i've used aylings, WM,
> yanousek, stamfli, resolute, sims, burgashell, MPS and empacher oops AND
> Carl Douglas lightweight 1x shells, I tried a lot before I bought the LOLA
> and in the past :-) It's the fastest feeling boat i've been in, my old boat
> was an aylings by the way, but it can take a while to get used to as its
> motion does feel noticably different to most boats. It is very stiff, well
> designed and the rigger is good too.
You chose the wing rigger, I suppose?
Trevor Chambers
> I have had one (LOLA L1x) for the last six months or so. As far as the
> shape is concerned, I have not been in a better boat (i've used aylings, WM,
> yanousek, stamfli, resolute, sims, burgashell, MPS and empacher oops AND
> Carl Douglas lightweight 1x shells, I tried a lot before I bought the LOLA
> and in the past :-) It's the fastest feeling boat i've been in, my old boat
> was an aylings by the way, but it can take a while to get used to as its
> motion does feel noticably different to most boats. It is very stiff, well
> designed and the rigger is good too. The design of the cockpit is awsome, I
> rarely even take the smallest amount of water in except in the roughest
> conditions (anyone who knows holme pierpont will know what I mean), and when
> water does come in when turning it shoots out under the rigger and and onto
> the canvas when you go off again and leaves at most 1inch of water in the
> bottom of the boat.
Someone I know test drove one, liked it, and ordered one. the boat he has ended
up with he likes, and doesn't seem to be other than fast, BUT is severely
"banana shaped" with stern and bows out of the water....this is noticeable even
when loaded in the water, but on a rack or trailer it is extremely obvious
compared to any other boat. The demo one was more "regular". He's had his since
Christmas.
The only ones I have seen have been as per the demo one ie perfectly straight,
so is yours banana or conventional?
Trevor
Sudbury RC
Andrew
WM boats which are 'banana' shaped and also used by the worlds top
lightweights, if he has a lightweight mould his will be banana like mine,
the heavyweight mould however is based on the empacher shape and so is more
'straight'. As far as consistancy is concerned there are three lightweight
boats at my club now and the hulls are all identical in shape and
appearance. If you look at MPS's and stampflis they are a simila banana
shape.
Ask Chris Ne3wlands for a definative answer, i'm sure he will read this
thread
Andy
NCRA
"Trevor Chambers" <cham...@omc.bt.co.uk> wrote in message
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Andrew
believe all their riggers right up to 8+ will be of the winged variety)
which is the way forward in my opinion. Every boat I have been in that is
wing rigged has been noticable stiffer and responsive whether aylings, simms
or stamfli.
Andy
"Michael Kerscher" <Michael....@T-Online.de> wrote in message
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Carl Douglas
<a.j.cruic...@student.lboro.ac.uk> writes
>I have heard a lot of things about British boat builders over the last few
>days. The Aylings issue has been set straight from the strings below. I
>have also heard that Burgashell have closed down, does anyone know about
>this? A bigger boat builder Simms is also doing things. I have heard one
>biew that he has gone bust and the other that he has actualy just sold his
>plot on Trentside and is relocating somewhere else (this view was expressed
>as someone has been trying to buy the land he's on for upwards of 10 years
>and that he's too astute to let himself go bust). Does anyone know the
>truth?
>
>Andy
Andy -
Had it occurred to you that you might possibly do libellous damage to
both Burgashell & Sims by suggesting their imminent demise? AFAIK there
is no truth in either rumour.
I would note that both firms have employees who'd stand to lose their
jobs should folk take their orders elsewhere - after hearing unfounded
rumours of this kind & felt unwilling to take the risk. Suppose either
firm were just planning a development beneficial to rowing but which
depended upon external funding, & your rumour hit reached their
potential backers? Rather like suggesting to a mate's wife that you'd
heard rumour of her husband sleeping around - it would not enhance their
mutual trust.
It's fine that you're pumping away for Lola, very new boys on the block
though they are. You have one of their boats & have committed yourself
to it, which is good. I note your uncritical, untesting acceptance of
boat weights claimed to vary over a range of +/-8% (i.e. +/-1.12kg).
But your comments as a user are interesting.
However, please take greater care, in your enthusiasm, not to chuck
loose missiles at 2 other firms which have, IIRC, worked very hard for
rather more than 20 years each, to serve their particular clientele.
Cheers -
Carl
Carl Douglas Racing Shells -
Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
Write: The Boathouse, Timsway, Chertsey Lane, Staines TW18 3JZ, UK
Email: ca...@carldouglas.co.uk Tel: +44(0)1784-456344 Fax: -466550
URLs: www.carldouglas.co.uk (boats) & www.aerowing.co.uk (riggers)
Andrew
found rsr (i've known about it for ages but getting hold of all the NTL
setting was a bit of a challenge), however I was asking a question on a
discussion group because I wanted to find out the truth rather than just tow
path rumour. I appologise for any trouble I may/will cause over the
comments.
On the rigger front it was because I thought the boat was overweight that I
pushed for the new (lighter) rigger and was luckily given it hence the
reluctance to overly criticise them on that issue.
I will try to restrain any future rumour mongering and thank you for not
completely biting my head off, you have a formidable reputation in that
area.
Andy
"Carl Douglas" <ca...@carldouglas.co.uk> wrote in message
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Carl Douglas
>
>I will try to restrain any future rumour mongering and thank you for not
>completely biting my head off, you have a formidable reputation in that
>area.
>
:-((( Do I?
Hell, Andy, we're all human - even this old sod sat here. And, being
human, we sometimes go OTT, even this old sod. And how, if someone
hadn't mentioned it, would you have known the commercial hazards of
slightly loose talk?
So - welcome to RSR & give it of your best! No-one owns it, no-one
knows it all (certainly not me), it's a worldwide group, & we all try to
have fun & learn - in between the odd rather serious bits.
BTW, where have all our US friends disappeared to of late.
Cheers -
Carl
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j...@durge.org
:>completely biting my head off, you have a formidable reputation in that
:>area.
: :-((( Do I?
I think you're brutally frank, often. Some people perceive this as
biting someone's head off whereas I'm more than used to this sort of
stuff on newsgroups and forgiving.
It's so easy to take offence on a newsgroup as you can't hear tone of
voice.
: BTW, where have all our US friends disappeared to of late.
Still using web-based chat boards? Or just lurking?
John Mulholland
boats. The others bend as the 100 kg load goes on the middle taking up a
'banana' shape only when loaded. Because the Lola is stiffer, it has to be
banana shaped all the time.
John Mulholland
Hexham Rowing Club
"Trevor Chambers" <cham...@omc.bt.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Andrew wrote:
>
<snip>
John Mulholland
Lola. I've tried lots of other sculling boats and my big a**e jams in the
ribs where the normal rigger joins the hull. (I'm not that fat but when my
hip bones hit those ribs, it hurts!).
I've even won a few races in it, but I got beaten several times over the
winter by ... another Lola!
John Mulholland
Hexham Rowing Club
"Andrew" <a.j.cruic...@student.lboro.ac.uk> wrote in message
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j brontey
> Andy -
> Had it occurred to you that you might possibly do libellous damage to
> both Burgashell & Sims by suggesting their imminent demise?
Mind you, if he heard a rumour then this is a good place to clear it
up--it was presented as "rumour" rather than fact (does anyone know
the truth?). Well, it looks like somebody does and now I have to
spread the less exiting rumour that reports of Sims demise were
greatly exaggerated.
Ben
jr...@cfl.rr.no-spam.com
>
>: BTW, where have all our US friends disappeared to of late.
>
>Still using web-based chat boards? Or just lurking?
>
>Jon
>--
>
Paul Slade
Especially since we dont want our boats dipping at the catch, or a broad
leading edge during the slowest part of the stroke.
Bananas also tend to have a low prismatic coefficient. Great for starts,
BUT.....
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j...@durge.org
:>Still using web-based chat boards? Or just lurking?
: <lurk>... =^) ...</lurk>
Marvellous!
Was beginning to get lonely there. :-)
Tim Granger
Surely it should have been
</lurk>... =^) ...<lurk>
?!!
Tim
Saul H. Stashower
CaptStash....
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Claire Hands
Michael
My name is Claire, I work for Lola Cars International Ltd, and have
been regularly checking the messages posted to this website. For your
information, if you are UK based, we hold demonstration boats in
Cambridge, so you are more than welcome to contact us to arrange a
trial row in a Lola.
Our number is 01480 421504.
Hope this helps
Claire
Mike De.Petris
scrisse al povero All :
p> Especially since we dont want our boats dipping at the catch, or a
p> broad leading edge during the slowest part of the stroke.
Can't understand, as catch IS the slowest part of the stroke.
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Quite right, Tim.
<flog> ... =^| ... </flog>
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Carl Boon
morning on a big lorry, heading up towards Lola's HQ near Cambridge.
'Word on the street' in Weybridge is that a few Aylings personnel are
being hired by their new bosses. And we believe the Aylings name will
remain in use, at least for the time being. So not quite 'RIP'. !
Carl B.
Carl Boon
of June. The last boats are being finished in the next few days. Only
the marketing people are being hired by Lola and the design/production
people are being laid-off. The lucky ones are being hired by other
boat builders in the area.
It remains to be seen whether Lola's own people can use the moulds
they've just bought to produce decent boats or not. I would certainly
suggest "try before you buy" with a new Lola-Aylings four or eight,
because it will have effectively been built by have-a-go-novices in
the boat building trade.
Lola might end up with a great product - who knows?
Carl B.
Nick Morrell
Carl Boon wrote:
SNIP
I would certainly
> suggest "try before you buy" with a new Lola-Aylings four or eight,
> because it will have effectively been built by have-a-go-novices in
> the boat building trade.
>
> Lola might end up with a great product - who knows?
Possibly a bit harsh? I think Lola probably have a fair bit of
experience making carbon fibre things to pretty high specifications?!?
(They specialise in race cars for those who aren't aware). The only boat
I've seen of theirs (an early single) looked pretty nice.
Then again, I personally would always want to try a boat before I put an
order in. Horses for courses and all that.
Cheers,
Nick
Rob Collings
<N.C.M...@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>
>Carl Boon wrote:
>SNIP
>I would certainly
>> suggest "try before you buy" with a new Lola-Aylings four or eight,
>> because it will have effectively been built by have-a-go-novices in
>> the boat building trade.
>>
>> Lola might end up with a great product - who knows?
>
>Possibly a bit harsh? I think Lola probably have a fair bit of
>experience making carbon fibre things to pretty high specifications?!?
>(They specialise in race cars for those who aren't aware). The only boat
>I've seen of theirs (an early single) looked pretty nice.
The same boat certainly seems to move. I raced a vet in it and he fair
shifted. Until he ran out of steam...