Tall rowing behind short
Bruce
I'm a tall rower (6'0") relative to the others I often follow (5'7").
This causes a dilemma on the recovery because I want to start my recovery
with the person in front of me--but if I move at the same pace, I'll be late
because I have longer legs and upper torso.
So would it be better to:
A) Come up the slide more slowly and, thus, arrive at the catch at the same
time...
or
B) Decrease the length of my stroke (by having less compression or reaching
out less) to better match the length of the person in front of me (and the
boat in general)?
Thanks,
Bruce
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GAGNE4PREZ
The number one goal is to be together at the catch, and regardless of the speed
that you have to come up your slide, just make it nice and smooth to the top.
Don't shortchange yourself by shortening up your stroke, thereby making
yourself the equivalent of a 5'7" rower. Use your height.
Mike Nuttall
Come up the slide slower
edgar cove
In article <6d6mt7$p...@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com>, Bruce
<skc...@hotmail.com> writes
>I'm a tall rower (6'0") relative to the others I often follow (5'7").
>
>This causes a dilemma on the recovery because I want to start my recovery
>with the person in front of me--but if I move at the same pace, I'll be late
>because I have longer legs and upper torso.
>Thanks,
>Bruce
Why not ask your coach why you are (apparently) rigged he same as people
5 inches shorter than you?
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edgar cove
Rod Lawson
In article <Yw59kBAc...@coves.demon.co.uk>, edgar cove
<ed...@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes:
As likely as not because club equipment is being shared and it's not possible
to reset the td before each outing, or to have one blade a different length
from the
others.
Rod.
Disclaimer; the opinions expressed above are not necessarily yours.
Bruce
What rigging change would change the case that if I start coming up the
slide with the person in front of me and at the same speed, I won't come to
full compression until after he has?
Thanks,
Bruce
Rod Lawson wrote in message
<19980228102...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
edgar cove
In article <6d905b$3...@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>, Bruce
<skc...@hotmail.com> writes
>What rigging change would change the case that if I start coming up the
>slide with the person in front of me and at the same speed, I won't come to
>full compression until after he has?
>
>Thanks,
>Bruce
Got to agree with Rod Lawson about the problems of changes in rigging in
club boats for one individual. But leaving that aside it seems to me
that if your strokes are to traverse the same angle as people of shorter
reach them you need greater amount of inboard on your blade to
compensate for your longer reach. But then you will lose outboard
length and may not be able to get your work on properly unless you also
reduce the td. Have to be done by trial and error I imagine-your speed
of catch will also be a factor.
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edgar-(remove nospam from return address for e-mail)
Ryad
On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Bruce wrote:
> I'm a tall rower (6'0") relative to the others I often follow (5'7").
>
> This causes a dilemma on the recovery because I want to start my recovery
> with the person in front of me--but if I move at the same pace, I'll be late
> because I have longer legs and upper torso.
yeah...I've been there too. I (6'2") used to row 7 seat behind this guys
who is 5'6".
>
> So would it be better to:
> A) Come up the slide more slowly and, thus, arrive at the catch at the same
> time...
...I think you mean come up the slide faster...yes. Definitely the way to
go. if you try to shorten your compression, your drive will be much less
effective.
cheers
ryad
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Rod Lawson
>What rigging change would change the case that if I start coming up the
>slide with the person in front of me and at the same speed, I won't come to
>full compression until after he has?
I don't think you can sensibly do that.
What you want to do is work the same arc in terms of angles, but have more
room front to back. If all you do is give more inboard to the tall person, you
finish up with harder gearing for the short people, easier for the tall, which
seems unfair, as well as producing different angles at catch and finish.
To compensate, the tall person needs a bigger inboard, a larger
td, and a longer oar.
The tall person will have to slide faster than the short person, but they
should set
off and arrive together, and all should be accomplished smoothly.
Hugh Falkner
It has always seem to me (6'1.5" or 186cm) that it is very hard to row
longer in the water than other crew members, without being out of time at
the finish (assuming you are in time at the catch).
Perhaps a bit of time in a coxless pair without a rudder or go out with
somone taller (6'5" say), and this may become clear.
And when in training I have rowed longer,(and come out late) I would use
increased arm speed to catch up.
I note that some people have suggested ajusting the rigging, but at club
level I think this is going a bit far.
Hugh Falkner
Bruce wrote in message <6d6mt7$p...@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com>...
>I'm a tall rower (6'0") relative to the others I often follow (5'7").
>
>This causes a dilemma on the recovery because I want to start my recovery
>with the person in front of me--but if I move at the same pace, I'll be
late
>because I have longer legs and upper torso.
>
>So would it be better to:
>A) Come up the slide more slowly and, thus, arrive at the catch at the same
>time...
>or
>B) Decrease the length of my stroke (by having less compression or reaching
>out less) to better match the length of the person in front of me (and the
>boat in general)?
>
>Thanks,
>Bruce
>
>--
>
>
>
>
Koster J.A.
Bruce wrote:
> I'm a tall rower (6'0") relative to the others I often follow (5'7").
>
> This causes a dilemma on the recovery because I want to start my recovery
> with the person in front of me--but if I move at the same pace, I'll be late
> because I have longer legs and upper torso.
>
> So would it be better to:
> A) Come up the slide more slowly and, thus, arrive at the catch at the same
> time...
No, don't slide faster (Assuming that is what you meant) because it will most
likely disturb the recovery and cause a lot of check at the catch.
> or
> B) Decrease the length of my stroke (by having less compression or reaching
> out less) to better match the length of the person in front of me (and the
> boat in general)?
Make sure you don't overreach at the catch (overreaching is not
effectiveanyway) but do slide forward til shins are vertical. Then, at the end
of the stroke, make sure you get out in time at the release by shortening the
(ineffective) draw
of the arms (i.e. extracting your blade with your arms further from your body)
and opening your back faster. Usually there is some slack room in the last
part
of the stroke during which rowers just make their little finish ritual
(slumping
over handle, pulling handle down towards crotch, twisting wrists etc.) which is
a waste of time. If you eliminate this you will gain speed at the finish and be
more able to keep up with the lightning shorties in your boat.
About the rigging, I suggest you adjust your stretcher (and along with them
of course the slides) so that your (greater) arc of oar movement is centered
with respect to the arcs of the others. (i.e. all the oar-arcs should be
centered
so that people with a larger arc are a bit longer at the catch and a bit longer
at
the finish than the rest).
If you don't know about all that, why not just try to move your stretcher
forward
2 or 3 cm.? That usually gives a quite new perspective to rowing problems...
> Thanks,
> Bruce
Hope this helps, (let me know, I'm 6'3'' or 198 cm.)
A3aan.
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Adriaan Koster
R.S.V.U. Okeanos, Amsterdam
a3...@cs.vu.nl - http://www.cs.vu.nl/~a3aan
voice: +31 20 4447658
Raycalif
I'm 6'2" and (in my recreational COED club) occasionally sit behind a woman
who is five foot nothing. I've been rowing in variations on this situation for
nine years and have found that the way to adjust depends on the quality of the
crew. If the shortster and the rest of the boat are fairly accomplished
rowers, it's most important to get the release and catch timing together; I
only adjust the speed of the recovery and pressure of the drive (can't have the
boat turning to port), leaving the stroke length static. If, on the other
hand, the lineup seems to favor more novice rowers, I'll shorten my stroke at
least somewhat. This also helps the people sitting behind me. And, if I'm not
extended over the gunwale when the boat unexpectedly dips (!?!?), there's less
chance of tweaking my back.
I'd be interested in knowing your thoughts and experiences on this matter.
Bruce
That is a pretty smart away of going about it, I think.
I don't like to make my recovery faster than others, if I can help it,
because I feel it hurts the rhythm. However, if the boat doesn't have
rhythm anyway (e.g. novices), it doesn't really matter. Rowing slightly
shorter, for me, works because I don't feel I'm losing a lot of power and
I'm making it easier for the person behind me.
Thanks,
Bruce
Raycalif wrote in message <19980303090...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
Robert Plater
three inches isn't that much. An example is the New Zealand eight
(gold 1981,2,3 fourth at the LA Olympics):
The talest man in the crew was around 6'6", but the stroke was
just 5'11". However, the strokes stoke length was the same, not
through any fancy rigging but by greater use of the body swing.
The stroke length (of the blade through the water) shoud be the same
of all crew member in any typpe of boat. Frigging with the rigging not
only takes time and thought, it's bloody hard to get right in this
situation, you don't want to have too big a difference in gearing
between rowers.
Bottom line is that body swing is the key to matching up length. Time
the seat speed so that you leave the back together and arrive at the
front together, don't worry about how fast or slow you're going, just
be smooth. The taller rower may need to sit up a little and the
shorter to sit back and reach out some more in order to match the
stroke length.
Please let me know what you decide to do, and how well or badly it
works.
Rob.