Re-entering flipped single scull?
CGG
Does anyone know of a foolproof method for getting back into a flipped
single racing scull (on flat water) without going back to land? I've
scoured the web, but can't find anything except instructions for an
open water scull which looks a lot more stable. Turning a fine scull
back over seems to be covered in many of the books, but not getting in
again.
Also shouldn't there be courses on this stuff? If you know of one, I'd
like to hear of it (in UK).
Chris
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Tim Granger
CGG <chris@N_O_S_P_A_Msoluna.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Hi
>
>Does anyone know of a foolproof method for getting back into a flipped
>single racing scull (on flat water) without going back to land? I've
>scoured the web, but can't find anything except instructions for an
>open water scull which looks a lot more stable. Turning a fine scull
>back over seems to be covered in many of the books, but not getting in
>again.
On groups.google.com, go to advanced search, and search for 'flip single'
on rec.sport.rowing, and the 8th result listed contains the following:
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It is possible to get back in with little trouble. In order to be
allowed to row any coxless boat at my RC, we must first pass a flip
test, where we deliberately fall out of a single, and then climb back
in unassisted.
the key is to make sure that you always have one hand grabbing both
oars. While treading water to one side of single, grab the oars with
one hand, and then place your other hand in the middle of the
footslide deck. then heave yourself up and land your upper torso
across the gunwhales. Then gently twist your torso sternwards, so
that your can swing a leg up and over so that your legs straddle the
single. Remember, during this whole time, one hand is still holding
onto the two oars. and the blades are flat on the water. If you don't
mind getting a bit wet, try it out.
Joe
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I remember seeing a few explanations on this group before, but this
seems to be the gist of the matter.
Tim
Joe Tynan
single must be able to get back into it sucessfully without getting
back to land. Here is the way I usually do it, and it works pretty
well. If you have a wooden single, be extra careful.
After you have flipped, turn your sigle back right-side up, and make
sure that your oars are both pushed out all the way so that the
collars are in contact with the oarlocks, and make sure the blades are
flat with tips up. On the bowside of the riggers, hold onto the
handles of both oars with one hand, and press down into the boat so
that the handles are also in contact with the deck, between the slide
rails. Place your other hand on the bowdise of the seat, in the
middle of the deck as well. Once your hands are like this, give your
self a stong kick with your legs, and at the same time hoist yourself
up with your arms so that you end up landing with your hips on one
gunwhale, and your upper body on the other. Now, here's the tricky
part: You still need to hold onto the oars while at the same time
bringing up your left leg and hooking it over the far gunwhale. If you
can't do this, you cna lao "roll" your body so that you are on your
side, and then bring your lower leg up and over the gunwhale.
Once you have done this, you can slowly work your body to a very
unfomfortable sitting position, and then once you have a small
semblance of balance, you can use both hands to hold the oars.
Finally, bring each foot into the boat individually, and you're set!
Joe
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Anu Dudhia
the boat to the bank and then getting out of the water - the principle
being to avoid hypothermia and so not waste time and energy in repeated
attempts to get back into a boat in open water.
However, from practice in a pool, the best method appears to be to lock
the oar handles together - blades perpendicular - with one hand and then
use your other hand to reach across the boat over your seat and rather
inelegantly haul yourself across (not letting go of the handles with the
other hand), and take it from there. Definitely something to practice
before attempting it "for real".
chris harrison
Turning the scull back over was covered in the practical section of the
IA course when I did mine (about 18 months ago). This was all done in a
swimming pool - by far the best place to practice! An explanation of it
might be in the material given out with that course (which is unlikely to
be available on the ARA website, but it's a possibility). Apologies if
this is nothing like the official line :)
The IA course - and generally safety instructions - concentrate more on
making the rower safe, which generally entails getting them out of the
water and into dry clothes. The vast majority of rowing done under the
auspices of the ARA will be done on rivers and lakes which would easier
to get out of and then turn the boat, rather than trying to get in
without touching the bank.
The first act would be to right the boat, this is easier for smaller
boats than larger ones (naturally). IIRC, align the blades so that they
are parallel to the boat, reach over the hull to grab the rigger on the
other side and, placing some weight on the rigger nearest you, pull.
Watch out for being bashed around the head and elsewhere from the blades.
Getting in is a question of confidence and agility :) Hold both blades in
one hand, ensuring the blades are flat on the water. Place the other hand
in between the slide rails, nearer the bows (perhaps wedging the seat at
backstops to stop is rolling about and getting in the way).
Hoist yourself up so that you are mostly out of the water, over the boat
(ie. head over one side, hands where we placed them before, legs over the
other side).
Brace yourself, this is the agile part. Rotate your body so that you are
sitting between the slide rails, bring the nearest leg around into the
foot well, and then the other leg.
And you're back.
Now row really quickly to warm up and start the drying process!
--
chris harrison
webmaster, vesta rowing club
http://www.vesta.rowing.org.uk/
ROWCHUCK
has shown it and on various intervals had a Saturday morning exercise (near the
dock) to educate those who have not experience it. By watching the video first
and then performing in front of experienced rowers on the dock, the technique
was learned quickly.
Gary Fettis
basis in a local school swimming pool. It's difficult to describe on paper
but here goes. There are 2 stages.
1. You right the boat itself by ensuring that both sculls are lying
parallel to the boat. Then "stand" on one rigger and as the boat starts to
right itself grap the far rigger and help it over.
2. You now ensure that the sculls are at right angles to the boat, by
swimming round the boat. When they are, you quite literally reach "inside"
and lift yourself into the boat. The boat will tend to roll over towards
you but the blade at right angles acts as a sort of damper and gives you
enough time to get in.
Trust me, it works and I did it recently in the pool just to prove to
myself I could do it. (I'm 52 this year.)
Gary Fettis
Lagan Scullers Club
Henry Law
(CGG) wrote:
>Hi
>
>Does anyone know of a foolproof method for getting back into a flipped
>single racing scull (on flat water) without going back to land? I've
Lots of people have posted variations on the proper method, which you
should perfect and use (it sounds hard!). Now that's done, let me
give you the agricultural, River Avon method.
I capsized a single on my first trip in it when rowing with Bristol
University BC in 1970 or thereabouts. I was half way between the
boathouse in Keynsham ("spelt k-e-y ...") and Bath and was damned if I
was going to run down the bank and call for assistance.
Having swum self and the boat over to the bank I noticed a land drain
close by (a pipe in the river bank, about water level, through which
storm water can drain into the river from the adjacent field). It was
the matter of a moment to put the starboard blade a little way into
the pipe, thus bringing the boat itself into slightly shallower water
where I could clamber aboard (I don't remember what I did with the
butt of the other blade). So far do good; here I am afloat again.
But with my left-hand blade now stuck up a land drain ... fortunately
there was enough friction inside the pipe for me to shove myself
sideways with enough force to unstick the blade and I'm afloat ...
I've dined out on the story ever since, but stayed away from single
sculls.
Now that I come to think of it, the collective amazement that I had
fallen in (as was obvious from the water weed - and possibly worse -
adhering to my kit) and got back on again suggests that nobody in the
club at that time was even aware that there was a "proper" way to get
back into a capsized single.
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CGG
arrange a session in the nearby swimming pool and get some practice.
Chris
Steven Maynard-Moody
do you get a single in a swimming pool in the first place (in the gate,
through the men's or women's locker room, shell needs a quick pre-swim
shower. . . .)? Is everyone's water so polluted that you dare not practice
off the dock? If (or better, when) you flip it will be where you row, and I
would suggest practicing in a more realistic setting.
Steven M-M
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chris harrison
maynar...@ku.edu) said:
> What's the deal with everyone needing to practice in a swimming pool? How
> do you get a single in a swimming pool in the first place (in the gate,
> through the men's or women's locker room, shell needs a quick pre-swim
> shower. . . .)? Is everyone's water so polluted that you dare not practice
> off the dock? If (or better, when) you flip it will be where you row, and I
> would suggest practicing in a more realistic setting.
Aside from the fact that "yes", I wouldn't want to go swimming in the
river voluntarily, use of a pool comes under "Basic Safety".
It allows you to be taught, experiment and learn in a safe, controlled
environment - you use a tank to teach rowing, yes?
Hamilton Richards Jr.
> What's the deal with everyone needing to practice in a swimming pool?
> ... Is everyone's water so polluted that you dare not practice
> off the dock?
In Austin, Texas, intentional swimming in Town Lake (where we row) is
prohibited by a city ordinance. And for good reason-- the water's none too
clean (especially after a rain), and the bottom is littered with sharp
objects.
We have yet to figure out how to incorporate practice in dealing with a
flipped single into our monthly sculling classes. We haven't found a pool
which will let us bring a boat in, and if we did, transporting a boat
there and back would be yet another chore for our volunteer instructors
(who are already hard enough to recruit).
In the typical class, a sculling student provides a learning opportunity
by flipping unintentionally, and the other students watch while the
instructor coaches him (it's nearly always a male) back into the boat.
But that's no substitute for actual practice by all students, so I'm
gratefully filing away the ideas posted in this thread.
Thanks,
--Ham
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Hamilton Richards
Austin Rowing Club
Austin, Texas, USA
http://www.austinrowing.org/
Tony Curran
There are just too many ways to damage the boat like wacking the sculls
against the hull and placing a hand on the sax board/gunwhale and, ooops,
next thing you know the gunwhale has broken or the scull blade has left a
ding in the gel coat.
Hamilton, I know you have a gleaming Custom CD single (I have a CDX), would
you intentionally flip it?
Tony,
Ottawa RC
Joe Tynan
pre-swim shower. What about that? :)
Joe
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> against the hull
my boat (Cust. CD) which still lied there.
No traces of that impact, except for some drops of water on the deck.
> and placing a hand on the sax board/gunwhale and, ooops,
> next thing you know the gunwhale has broken or the scull blade has left a
> ding in the gel coat.
> Hamilton, I know you have a gleaming Custom CD single (I have a CDX),
would
> you intentionally flip it?
The saxboard/gunwhale.
I saw a Custom CD with a break in the saxboard, don't know where it came
from. Definitely not from capsizing and re-entering.
Normally I trust in the strength of the boat, but with this break in mind, I
would prefer not to try it in the CD boat.
I think that Carl has testet it or has at least some customers who did and
reported him about that. I hope he becomes fit soon.
-HL
Hamilton Richards Jr.
<tony....@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Well.... I've heard all the stories about CDs' durability, and I don't
question them. Most wooden boats have decks made of fabric, which would be
rather vulnerable during an after-capsize re-entry, but the CD's deck is
as hard as the hull. So I wouldn't expect any damage.
Nevertheless, I confess that I'd prefer to use one of our club's older
Maas Aeros or Maas Singles. They've already accumulated a lifetime's worth
of dings, whereas my CD is still practically unscathed.
Joe Tynan
the pre-swim shower? Is that OK? I bet there are a few shells out
there with deck envy.....
Joe
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