Goldberg is NOT an Austin rip-off!
Mike Price
Goldberg doesn't wrestle like Austin. He doesn't talk like Austin. He
doesn't act like Austin. He is not the same size as Austin. There are
two similiarities only: He is bald, and is built well (old Stone Cold -
recently Austin is getting fat).
If you want to say Goldberg is ripping off someone, say he is ripping
off Nikita. Goldberg is based on the Nikita model. He is built on
intensity, presence, and mostly power. His job is to look intimidating
and to act like an unstoppable monster. The character keeps him from
wrestling long matches. We don't know how good a pure wrestler he
really is yet.
His wrestling style is based on Shamrock and Severn type shoot
fighters. He is suppose to be a really tough, rough-around-the edges,
super-monster. He is not suppose to be a pure wrestler.
I think a perfect feud for him would be against Curt Henning. They
could exploit Henning's experience and contrast it with Goldberg's
power. Henning would pull out all of the tricks to frustrate Goldberg,
while Goldberg would try to overpower Curt.
If you don't like the character, fine, but his quick matches have
nothing to do with lack of ability. It's all part of the character
development. We'll have to see how he wrestles in a year or so to see
his true wrestling ability.
Actually, this is what the WWF should be doing with Mark Henry. The WCW
was always good at building unstoppable monsters: Big Van Vader, Sid
Viscious, the Giant, even Rick Rude to a small extent. The WWF doesn't
know how to do this.
AmzgSpdrmn
>The WCW
>was always good at building unstoppable monsters: Big Van Vader, Sid
>Viscious, the Giant, even Rick Rude to a small extent. The WWF doesn't
>know how to do this.
Ummmmm.....UT AND Kane perhaps?
McCary
Excellent Post.
Ken McCary
Mike Price wrote:
>
> Goldberg doesn't wrestle like Austin. He doesn't talk like Austin. He
> doesn't act like Austin. He is not the same size as Austin. There are
> two similiarities only: He is bald, and is built well (old Stone Cold -
> recently Austin is getting fat).
>
> If you want to say Goldberg is ripping off someone, say he is ripping
> off Nikita. Goldberg is based on the Nikita model. He is built on
> intensity, presence, and mostly power. His job is to look intimidating
> and to act like an unstoppable monster. The character keeps him from
> wrestling long matches. We don't know how good a pure wrestler he
> really is yet.
>
> His wrestling style is based on Shamrock and Severn type shoot
> fighters. He is suppose to be a really tough, rough-around-the edges,
> super-monster. He is not suppose to be a pure wrestler.
>
> I think a perfect feud for him would be against Curt Henning. They
> could exploit Henning's experience and contrast it with Goldberg's
> power. Henning would pull out all of the tricks to frustrate Goldberg,
> while Goldberg would try to overpower Curt.
>
> If you don't like the character, fine, but his quick matches have
> nothing to do with lack of ability. It's all part of the character
> development. We'll have to see how he wrestles in a year or so to see
> his true wrestling ability.
>
> Actually, this is what the WWF should be doing with Mark Henry. The WCW
Rob Blake
AmzgSpdrmn wrote:
>
> >The WCW
> >was always good at building unstoppable monsters: Big Van Vader, Sid
> >Viscious, the Giant, even Rick Rude to a small extent. The WWF doesn't
> >know how to do this.
>
Plus Andre the Giant, Yokozuna...countless others.
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Matt Norris
Exactly. Just because they both have shaved heads..doesn't mean Goldberg
is a ripoff. Their styles are totally contrasting. good post
Matt Norris
Darien Allen
On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:54:53 GMT, Mike Price
<PRIC...@postal.essd.northgrum.com> wrote:
>Actually, this is what the WWF should be doing with Mark Henry. The WCW
>was always good at building unstoppable monsters: Big Van Vader, Sid
>Viscious, the Giant, even Rick Rude to a small extent. The WWF doesn't
>know how to do this.
Yes the WCW is also well-known for it's well thought out and planned
storylines, angles that are carefully crafted and brought to fruition
of a time period....
Great post though...
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from Mike Price <PRIC...@postal.essd.northgrum.com> contains these words:
> Goldberg doesn't wrestle like Austin.
LOL!!! (DUH, like who would think he did)
> Actually, this is what the WWF should be doing with Mark Henry. The WCW
> was always good at building unstoppable monsters: Big Van Vader, Sid
> Viscious, the Giant, even Rick Rude to a small extent. The WWF doesn't
> know how to do this.
ROTFLMFHO!!!!!!!!!
This is the funniest post I've seen in ages, good to know everyone
isn't taking things seriously!
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Mike Price <PRIC...@postal.essd.northgrum.com> wrote:
>Goldberg doesn't wrestle like Austin. He doesn't talk like Austin. He
>doesn't act like Austin. He is not the same size as Austin. There are
>two similiarities only: He is bald, and is built well (old Stone Cold -
>recently Austin is getting fat).
>
>If you want to say Goldberg is ripping off someone, say he is ripping
>off Nikita. Goldberg is based on the Nikita model. He is built on
>intensity, presence, and mostly power. His job is to look intimidating
>and to act like an unstoppable monster. The character keeps him from
>wrestling long matches. We don't know how good a pure wrestler he
>really is yet.
>
>His wrestling style is based on Shamrock and Severn type shoot
>fighters. He is suppose to be a really tough, rough-around-the edges,
>super-monster. He is not suppose to be a pure wrestler.
>
>I think a perfect feud for him would be against Curt Henning. They
>could exploit Henning's experience and contrast it with Goldberg's
>power. Henning would pull out all of the tricks to frustrate Goldberg,
>while Goldberg would try to overpower Curt.
>
>If you don't like the character, fine, but his quick matches have
>nothing to do with lack of ability. It's all part of the character
>development. We'll have to see how he wrestles in a year or so to see
>his true wrestling ability.
>
>Actually, this is what the WWF should be doing with Mark Henry. The WCW
>was always good at building unstoppable monsters: Big Van Vader, Sid
>Viscious, the Giant, even Rick Rude to a small extent. The WWF doesn't
>know how to do this.
Sid Viscious was nothing more than a big jobber in WCW when he was a
singles wrestler and that is just ridiculous to think otherwise
because the guy holds the fastest loss in WCW history to Lex Luger I
believe in a record breaking 30 second win or something like that.
Vader was turned into a big heel when he went to Japan, the man made
himself, WCW had nothing to do with it.
WWF made Andre the Giant, Stan Hansen, Sid's singles career, Mark
Calloway, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Hulk Hogan, and just about every
giant in the sport. Of course we can look at some WCW Giants that WCW
couldn't do jack with...
El Gigante`, One Man Gang, The Shark, Ice Train, Yetti, and others but
I think the point is made. WWF knows how to make stars.
Back on to topic, Bill Goldberg is a rip-off of Ken Shamrock, hands
down. Same tights(Shamrock wrestles in all black get up), same scream
to the fans and pose, and he's being pushed as the toughest man in
WCW, which we know that Shamrock is the toughest man on Earth :-) or
something to that effect. The difference between Shamrock & Goldberg
is that Shamrock does more than choke and punch ala Zues. I do agree
with you though, Goldberg - Not an Austin rip off at all. Nikkita
Koloff? How did he get worked into your post? Nikkita was more along
the lines who Pitbull #2 is based after. I honestly don't think anyone
in WCW has the Nikkita gimmick or is even trying. Shame too if you
like those 'bad ass characters'.
Goldberg's quick matches are definitly apart of the gimmick that while
before the Goldberg matches you'll hear them ramble on about how 'This
is not going to be a pretty one! Not a mat wrestling match at all'.
Just thought I'd chip in to the post...
Cru Storm
You're all forgetting the real point. Long ago, when Bischoff fired Austin, he said a
guy who wore all black couldn't make in WCW. The boots, the trunks, whatever. Now all of
a sudden, Bill Goldberg(with black gloves no-less), is the great new Bischoff find. And
what is his favorite color? Pink and black? Just plain black.
I don't think Bischoff was trying to "copy" Stone Cold Steve Austin, he was just trying
make up for the fact that he's a moron whenver he opens his mouth and it wasn't too long
ago when if asked if he would re-sign Steve Austin, Bischoff said "of course". After of
course telling Mr. Austin his entire look caused him to recieve a pink slip.
A couple months from now, we'll probably see Goldberg mic skills will rival that of
Chyna. We'll see Goldberg whispering something into Hogan's ear everytime he wants to say
something.
Matt Norris
No offense, but the all black attire isn't monopolized by Austin. But
anyway, the real reason Austin was fired was because he was seriously
injury prone for awhile. Austin was over with fans as a heel when he
with the Hollywood Blondes, afterwards, and even before when he was a
member of the Dangerous Alliance. Bischoff also loved Pillman, but he
didn't want to pay him as much money as the WWF offered him due to his
injuries.
later,
Matt
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Dikobraz69 wrote:
>
> >
> >Ummmmm.....UT AND Kane perhaps?
> >
> >
>
> UT's carreer as a heel was very short lived. Kane....ugh.
But UT started out and =got over= as a heel (which was the point, yes?),
and later became a monster face. And I second the Kane business, but
he's over, WAY over. Which was the point being made.
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Mike Naimark
On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:43:03 -0700, Rob Blake <bjoh...@cadvision.com>
wrote:
>AmzgSpdrmn wrote:
>>
>> >The WCW
>> >was always good at building unstoppable monsters: Big Van Vader, Sid
>> >Viscious, the Giant, even Rick Rude to a small extent. The WWF doesn't
>> >know how to do this.
>>
>> Ummmmm.....UT AND Kane perhaps?
>
>Plus Andre the Giant, Yokozuna...countless others.
Andre the Giant, eh? Lemme guess, you never heard of professional
wrestling before the WWF's Hulkamania, right?
MN
Dikobraz69
>
>Ummmmm.....UT AND Kane perhaps?
>
>
UT's carreer as a heel was very short lived. Kane....ugh.
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Ultimate Warrior count for anything. The marketing execs made Goldberg as a
combo of Austin and Ult Warrior, it's very plain to see
Mike Naimark <mnai...@utmem1.utmem.edu> wrote in article
<34cfe73a...@news.utk.edu>...
mat...@redi.net
On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:54:53 GMT, Mike Price
words:
>Goldberg doesn't wrestle like Austin. He doesn't talk like Austin. He
>doesn't act like Austin. He is not the same size as Austin. There are
>two similiarities only: He is bald, and is built well (old Stone Cold -
>recently Austin is getting fat).
Yea...if you wanna compare him to anyone, compare him to the NC great,
Nikita Koloff.
>
>If you want to say Goldberg is ripping off someone, say he is ripping
>off Nikita. Goldberg is based on the Nikita model. He is built on
>intensity, presence, and mostly power. His job is to look intimidating
>and to act like an unstoppable monster. The character keeps him from
>wrestling long matches. We don't know how good a pure wrestler he
>really is yet.
oh...damn. That's what I get for replying before I finish reading the
whole message... :)
Matt Norris
XBrand wrote:
>
> Ultimate Warrior count for anything. The marketing execs made Goldberg as a
> combo of Austin and Ult Warrior, it's very plain to see
Yeah, it is very plain to see. Every time Goldberg paints his face, runs
as fast as he can to the ring..shakes the ropes, gives someone the
stunner, and has an interview where he says ass a hundred times, I can
just tell he ripped off the Warrior and Austin. <insert sarcasm here>
Now don't get mad that I made an ass of you, it wasn't me; you did a
good job yourself of that.
later,
Matt Norris
EDGEDAR1
>Subject: Goldberg is NOT an Austin rip-off!
>From: Mike Price <PRIC...@postal.essd.northgrum.com>
>He doesn't talk like Austin
You're right this bozo doesn't hardly speak at all. IF and when he gets some
mic skills then he be compared to Austin.
Darren
Mike Price
>
> Sid Viscious was nothing more than a big jobber in WCW when he was a
> singles wrestler and that is just ridiculous to think otherwise
> because the guy holds the fastest loss in WCW history to Lex Luger I
> believe in a record breaking 30 second win or something like that.
Sid was NOT a jobber. He "ruled the world". His character was the
unstoppable monster. He did fine in the WWF, I'm just saying that it
was a completely different character. Sid become just another WWF
"Superstar". This worked out well in the long run, but it was not an
unbeatable character.
>
> Vader was turned into a big heel when he went to Japan, the man made
> himself, WCW had nothing to do with it.
If that's true, then why hasn't the WWF been able to maintain the same
character. The WCW built him like they are doing Goldberg right now.
He was absolutely unstoppable. When Sting and Flair beat him it was
almost like a miracle. These defeats never tarnished his character. It
wasn't until that egomaniac Hogan came in that they lost track of Big
Van Vader's character.
>
> WWF made Andre the Giant, Stan Hansen, Sid's singles career, Mark
> Calloway, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Hulk Hogan, and just about every
> giant in the sport. Of course we can look at some WCW Giants that WCW
> couldn't do jack with...
I did forget about Andre. He is the exception. Again, Hogan ruined
that too! Stan Hansen was to the AWA, what Vader was to the WCW.
Hansen was unstoppable in the AWA and was ruined in the WWF. Nash and
Hall were never unstoppable. They were equals of other WWF
"Superstars". Hogan's unbeatability had only to do with Hogan's massive
ego, and this was done so ridiculously that we all still hate him. The
Undertaker (Calloway) and Kane are cartoon characters. It is real easy
to make Superman seem unstoppable. It is extremely difficult to make a
real person seem unstoppable.
>
> El Gigante`, One Man Gang, The Shark, Ice Train, Yetti, and others but
> I think the point is made. WWF knows how to make stars.
El Gigante was good in the WCW. It was the WWF that ruined him.
Remember that costume. One Man Gang, Tenta (Shark), and the Yetti were
never suppose to be unbeatable. Their lack of talent is another
discussion. Ice Train was wasted by the WCW. I think he was one of
their biggest screw ups. He could have been a great powerhouse face.
None-the-less, he was never billed as unstoppable, so he doesn't apply
to this arguement either.
>
> Back on to topic, Bill Goldberg is a rip-off of Ken Shamrock, hands
> down. Same tights(Shamrock wrestles in all black get up), same scream
> to the fans and pose, and he's being pushed as the toughest man in
> WCW, which we know that Shamrock is the toughest man on Earth :-) or
> something to that effect. The difference between Shamrock & Goldberg
> is that Shamrock does more than choke and punch ala Zues. I do agree
> with you though, Goldberg - Not an Austin rip off at all. Nikkita
> Koloff? How did he get worked into your post? Nikkita was more along
> the lines who Pitbull #2 is based after. I honestly don't think anyone
> in WCW has the Nikkita gimmick or is even trying. Shame too if you
> like those 'bad ass characters'.
You are actually agreeing with me about Shamrock. Goldberg's style is
suppose to be a shootfighter, not a mat wrestler or high flyer. The
Nikita reference deals with his presense and look. They are similiarly
intimidating.
>
> Goldberg's quick matches are definitly apart of the gimmick that while
> before the Goldberg matches you'll hear them ramble on about how 'This
> is not going to be a pretty one! Not a mat wrestling match at all'.
>
Exactly!
Rob Blake
Mike Naimark wrote:
>
> On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:43:03 -0700, Rob Blake <bjoh...@cadvision.com>
> wrote:
>
> >AmzgSpdrmn wrote:
> >>
> >> >The WCW
> >> >was always good at building unstoppable monsters: Big Van Vader, Sid
> >> >Viscious, the Giant, even Rick Rude to a small extent. The WWF doesn't
> >> >know how to do this.
> >>
> >> Ummmmm.....UT AND Kane perhaps?
> >
> >Plus Andre the Giant, Yokozuna...countless others.
>
> Andre the Giant, eh? Lemme guess, you never heard of professional
> wrestling before the WWF's Hulkamania, right?
What, Andre wasn't an unstoppable monster? Answer to question: pretty
much.
Tbrutis1
In article <01bd2c7b$3fe34360$3023...@denaxas.jaguarsystems.com>, "XBrand"
<gr...@jaguarsystems.com> writes:
>Ultimate Warrior count for anything. The marketing execs made Goldberg as
>a combo of Austin and Ult Warrior, it's very plain to see.
You haven't followed wrestling to long have you. Goldberg is NOT a combo of the
Warrior & Austin. More like Austin & Ken Shamrock. Warrior was one of a kind.
Either fed could use him right now.
In regards to Goldberg, he's really getting a great push. When are we going to
see him face someone with a reputation? Brad Armstrong,Disco Inferno? I don't
think so.
I'd love to see him face off against any of those morons in nWo. They might
find out
what it's like to be in a fight.I definitely see a title in Goldberg's future.
Eric, don't blow it with Goldberg & let him slip away to Stamford. Goldberg can
be your next MegaStar.
That's because the #1 Fan of the AA Eastern League Binghamton Mets said so
nom...@hotmail.com
Quite frankly, I'd like to see Goldberg go against Randy Savage myself.
Too ra yay
>Goldberg doesn't wrestle like Austin. He doesn't talk like Austin. He
>doesn't act like Austin. He is not the same size as Austin. There are
>two similiarities only: He is bald, and is built well (old Stone Cold -
>recently Austin is getting fat).
Here's my take on the issue...
No, Goldberg is not a direct ripoff of Austin. He shares a lot of physical
similarities with Stone Cold, but also shares some ring style and gimmickry
with Ken Shamrock and Nikita Koloff and even the Ultimate Warrior. But remember
back to the first time we all laid eyes on Bill Goldberg:
It was an Autumn Monday in the latter part of 1997. NITRO had been on for all
of fifteen minutes, and nobody was hyping any sort of suprise. Hugh Morrus is
coming out to wrestle somebody, and as he walks towards the ring, we see this
fellow in the ring wearing black trunks with a shaved head and a blonde goatee.
I know that I had to take a double-take, and I'm sure that many of you did as
well. Notice that for some odd reason, they introduced this Goldberg guy with a
full shot of the ring rather than the usual upper-body close-up. Why?
Imagine you're Eric Bischoff, and you're booking some new talent for the next
NITRO. You head on down to the power plant to see who's looking like they're
ready to go, and out of the corner of your eye you see a guy with a bald head
and blond goatee with a muscular build. I'm sure Eric had to look again to make
sure Mr. Austin hadn't come back looking for his old job.
Suddenly this idea pops in to your head...'if this guy fooled me, imagine what
kind of reaction the fans who see him for the first time from a distance would
think.' Goldberg's all of a sudden the suprise victor over Hugh Morrus on his
WCW TV debut.
Now I know I sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist, but look at the facts.
Not more than twenty minutes after Goldberg's debut there was already a debate
ensuing on RSPW on whether or not Eric had created a Stone Cold ripoff. People
were throwing out accusations and trying to figure out who this guy was.
Definition: Instant heat. If people on RSPW were so enthused with arguing these
points, then imagine how the WCW mark fanbase reacted. Everyone tunes in next
week for the next installment of "Bill Goldberg: Austin Wannabe or next WCW
Star?"
He hooked all of us, so my hat's off to Uncle Eric.
The artist formerly known as Goofus Paludis:
Too ra (loo ra too ra loo ra) yay
"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he
didn't exist." ---Verbal Kint
Goldberg_mark
In article <19980130013...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
toor...@aol.com (Too ra yay) wrote:
> Here's my take on the issue...
[expert analysis deleted solely because my crappy newsreader would screw
up if I tried to post a smaller response than my citation]
Great points throughout, TRR. People on this NG like to ignore the very
real talent that Bischoff (and Goldberg, for that matter) has. This whole
angle has been brilliantly scripted, and I hope it just keeps right on
plowing forward for, oh, a couple of years. This Saturday's match vs.
Meng will be HUGE.
William Allen
No way, start him off against Buff, then let him have Nash...after he
no-sell the Jack-knife and Dillon tries to cuff Nash again....Goldberg kicks
the shit out of the security team and Jack-hammers Nash......
"UUURRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
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>Tbrutis1 wrote:
>>
>> In article <01bd2c7b$3fe34360$3023...@denaxas.jaguarsystems.com>,
"XBrand"
>> <gr...@jaguarsystems.com> writes:
>>
>> I'd love to see him face off against any of those morons in nWo. They
might
>> find out