Why BatB Proves Most Wrestling Fans Suck!
Rick Scaia
Man, I hope that subject header got your attention... I want
every damn person who reads RSPW to see this.
And let me expand upon that thought in the header: The big
surprise finish to the Bash at the Beach PPV and the subsequent
response here on RSPW goes to show that, without any doubt,
wrestling fans (or at least the ones here) are a bunch of fickle,
whiny, bandwagon-jumping morons.
Case in point: three months ago, by reading posts here, you would
think Hulk Hogan was the anti-christ. Tonight, he is toasted like
a hero. Hey idiots: he's still Hulk Hogan.
This behavior proves one of two things: either when expousing a
hatred of Hulk Hogan, you were just "going along with the crowd"
or were perhaps merely disenchanted with the Hulkster image, and had
nothing against the fact that Hogan hasn't wrestled a good match in
ages and his ego and booking power were stifling other WCW talent.
Either way, suddenly thinking Hogan is the coolest hting since
sliced bread shows a major character definciency.
While the angle is certainly shocking, and will make Hogan's
*character* a bit less tedious to watch for a couple weeks,
it still remains that this is Hulk Hogan. I never proclaimned
to hate him, but since 1992/3 have come to be completely disinterested
in everything he does. Just turning him heel does not make him
a whole new wrestler once again worhty of giving a damn about.
At least not for me. If anything, once the shock of seeing Hogan
give a heel speech wears off, this angle will have the effect of
lessening my interest in Nash and Hall, since now I'll have to
put up with Hogan in the same trio.
If anyone deserves a modicum of praise for tonight's events, it
should be whoever the hell convinced Hogan to do this. If that's
Bischoff, so be it. Hogan can't have gone along with this easily,
and has to recognize that his career will be irreparably changed
now. At least, it will be until the inevitable face turn, which
I predict will happen to coincide with the release of his next
motion picture.
Later.....
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Herb Kunze
In article <4rqbkl$q...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
Rick Scaia <ag...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>Man, I hope that subject header got your attention... I want
>every damn person who reads RSPW to see this.
When I started sifting through the weekend's news this morning,
I figured that you'd have to come with an attack of some sort
to deflect from the monumental angle that WCW ran last night.
Boy, am I surprised!
>This behavior proves one of two things: either when expousing a
>hatred of Hulk Hogan, you were just "going along with the crowd"
>or were perhaps merely disenchanted with the Hulkster image, and had
>nothing against the fact that Hogan hasn't wrestled a good match in
>ages and his ego and booking power were stifling other WCW talent.
>Either way, suddenly thinking Hogan is the coolest hting since
>sliced bread shows a major character definciency.
Right on, Rick!! A work and workrate based argument. Believe
it or not, I had the same thoughts this morning as I sifted
through endless "Hulk Rules!" posts.
I'm in strong agreement with you here, so let's just go that
extra inch and spill the whole beans:
When was the last time the following wrestlers worked a good
or better match: Hulk Hogan, Jim Duggan, Giant, John Tenta,
Yokozuna, Undertaker, Ultimate Warrior, Goldust?
>Just turning him heel does not make him
>a whole new wrestler once again worhty of giving a damn about.
>At least not for me. If anything, once the shock of seeing Hogan
>give a heel speech wears off, this angle will have the effect of
>lessening my interest in Nash and Hall, since now I'll have to
>put up with Hogan in the same trio.
I know, I know! It's like those matches that rely on story lines
instead of wrestlers and get rave reviews because the story lines
are so strong! You know, matches with Jerry Lawler (vs. Bret Hart
comes to mind) or the Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart cage match. Yeah,
the story line was strong, but where was the work!
But we're talking about angles here, so we probably shouldn't
delve into our newfound agreement on workrate. After all,
there are enough crappy angles that people raved about that
also had poor effects. Like the "Attempted Alienation of
Affection" lawsuit that never went anywhere. And the follow-up
lawsuit for assault of Clarence Mason that was settled for a
guest referee spot that had no impact on the match result.
All of this just took heat of the British Bulldog story line
and focussed it on guys (Mason, Moonson, Hennig) that played
no role in anything!
Rick, I'm glad you've finally come out of the workrate closet.
Give 'em hell!
Herb...
Go Yanks!!!
sorry guys.......its simple for me.....FUCK WORK RATE!!!!!! i watch
rasslin' to laugh......if i wanna see real athletes i'll watch real
sports.......a bad hogan is cool......but then again, i like most all the
bad guys and hate most of the good guys!!!!!
ps.....eric bischoff really sucks.....(but not as much now)
Max Chittister
While I agree that a heel turn doesn't mean Hogan's going to be a better
wrestler, it might affect the quality of the show he puts on.
Maybe he'll interview better as a heel than he did as a face (much like
Nash in WWF). His personality will change radically; maybe the new
character he assumes will be more entertaining. New angles that involve
something more than "Superhuman all-American Hulk Hogan conquers
everyone evil in the world" could be entertaining as well.
I still don't think much of Hogan as a wrestler. But I applaud the move
by WCW because it opens so many possibilities over the next few months.
There is going to be INCREIBLE mark heat against (and for) Hogan until
this angle plays out. If Bischoff and Co. handle this angle right (and
they have so far), the Hogan Heel turn is going to be a hell of a lot of
fun to watch.
Wrestling isn't just in-ring skill; it's also the angle, the gimmick,
and the crowd. Factor in all of these, and I'm excited for this angle.
Max
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Witt 1
I couldn't agree more. He's still Hulk. And he's still to old, no story
will change that. However, insulting wrestling fans in general was
uncalled for. Yes the Hulk Rules posts were dumb, but I would bet the
majority of fans still dislike hogan. But the most ignorant among us are
usually the most vocal, thus we have all these posts for Hogan. You
should not judge wrestling fans by their worst specimens. (Hogan Fans)
Barry L. Moore
wi...@aol.com (Witt 1) wrote:
Don't take it personally. He was talking TO those very same "worst
specimens."
Bairman
b...@worldnet.att.net
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To err is human.
To forgive is not my policy...
Barry L. Moore
ag...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Rick Scaia) wrote:
>Man, I hope that subject header got your attention... I want
>every damn person who reads RSPW to see this.
>And let me expand upon that thought in the header: The big
>surprise finish to the Bash at the Beach PPV and the subsequent
>response here on RSPW goes to show that, without any doubt,
>wrestling fans (or at least the ones here) are a bunch of fickle,
>whiny, bandwagon-jumping morons.
Tee hee. This is starting off good...
>Case in point: three months ago, by reading posts here, you would
>think Hulk Hogan was the anti-christ. Tonight, he is toasted like
>a hero. Hey idiots: he's still Hulk Hogan.
Hey, I said something similar...we must be psychic friends!
>This behavior proves one of two things: either when expousing a
>hatred of Hulk Hogan, you were just "going along with the crowd"
>or were perhaps merely disenchanted with the Hulkster image, and had
>nothing against the fact that Hogan hasn't wrestled a good match in
>ages and his ego and booking power were stifling other WCW talent.
>Either way, suddenly thinking Hogan is the coolest hting since
>sliced bread shows a major character definciency.
...or selective memories.
>While the angle is certainly shocking, and will make Hogan's
>*character* a bit less tedious to watch for a couple weeks,
>it still remains that this is Hulk Hogan. I never proclaimned
>to hate him, but since 1992/3 have come to be completely disinterested
>in everything he does. Just turning him heel does not make him
>a whole new wrestler once again worhty of giving a damn about.
>At least not for me. If anything, once the shock of seeing Hogan
>give a heel speech wears off, this angle will have the effect of
>lessening my interest in Nash and Hall, since now I'll have to
>put up with Hogan in the same trio.
My sentiments exactly. Nash & Hall better tune up their banjos,
'cause they'll be playing second fiddle now...
>If anyone deserves a modicum of praise for tonight's events, it
>should be whoever the hell convinced Hogan to do this. If that's
>Bischoff, so be it. Hogan can't have gone along with this easily,
>and has to recognize that his career will be irreparably changed
>now. At least, it will be until the inevitable face turn, which
>I predict will happen to coincide with the release of his next
>motion picture.
Praise Bischoff for getting Hogan to turn...yes. But also hold him in
contempt for doing it in such a rushed, unconvincing manner.
>Later.....
Much... ;)
Le Metropolitain
Rick Scaia wrote:
Nasty stuff about RSPWers in general deleted.
>Case in point: three months ago, by reading posts here, you would
>think Hulk Hogan was the anti-christ. Tonight, he is toasted like
>a hero. Hey idiots: he's still Hulk Hogan.
More stuff about the band-wagon habits of RSPW snipped.
Rick has made one valuable point. HE'S STILL HULK HOGAN. Hogan the
heel was a weak Superstar Graham wannabe. If he'd even attempted
something other that the leg drop o' doom, I might give this turn some
credence.
As it is, by their very nature, the Outsiders can feud with anyone in
WCW without it seeming incongruous. Oh boy! Once the Anti-Hogan has
made Sting and Luger job to him, we can look forward to the unleashing
of the LDOD on all four Horsemen as well as the entire DOD. Then,
just in time for his title shot at Halloween Havoc, a face turn,
followed by Hogan squashes of Nash and Hall.
I hate to sound cynical, but I hope everyone is looking forward to a
summer of watching the invincible Anti-Hogan humiliate Ric Flair and
co.
Francesca
Dave Booth
Rick Scaia wrote:
>
> Man, I hope that subject header got your attention... I want
> every damn person who reads RSPW to see this.
>
> And let me expand upon that thought in the header: The big
> surprise finish to the Bash at the Beach PPV and the subsequent
> response here on RSPW goes to show that, without any doubt,
> wrestling fans (or at least the ones here) are a bunch of fickle,
> whiny, bandwagon-jumping morons.
>
> think Hulk Hogan was the anti-christ. Tonight, he is toasted like
> a hero. Hey idiots: he's still Hulk Hogan.
dave
Jeff Amdur
In article <4rqbkl$q...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
ag...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Rick Scaia) wrote:
> Case in point: three months ago, by reading posts here, you would
> think Hulk Hogan was the anti-christ. Tonight, he is toasted like
> a hero. Hey idiots: he's still Hulk Hogan.
I don't see us applauding Hogan per se. We're applauding the angle, which
to many of us was totally unexpected given Hogan's massive ego.
> This behavior proves one of two things: either when expousing a
> hatred of Hulk Hogan, you were just "going along with the crowd"
> or were perhaps merely disenchanted with the Hulkster image, and had
> nothing against the fact that Hogan hasn't wrestled a good match in
> ages and his ego and booking power were stifling other WCW talent.
> Either way, suddenly thinking Hogan is the coolest hting since
> sliced bread shows a major character definciency.
Nope. We see a possibility of a change in Hogan. Not a very strong
possibility; wrestling ability doesn't pop up all of the sudden like an
aroused penis, but a possibility. Hogan has at least temporarily
attracted heat perhaps for the first time ever. If he doesn't follow this
up with decent ring performances (and frankly I doubt whether Hogan is
capable of a decent ring performance), the boos will turn right back into
those "pathetic-wrestler" boos.
> While the angle is certainly shocking, and will make Hogan's
> *character* a bit less tedious to watch for a couple weeks,
> it still remains that this is Hulk Hogan. I never proclaimned
> to hate him, but since 1992/3 have come to be completely disinterested
> in everything he does. Just turning him heel does not make him
> a whole new wrestler once again worhty of giving a damn about.
I'm willing to give a damn through the next couple of HH matches. If he
still bites the big one, as I think he will, the angle will fizzle.
> At least, it will be until the inevitable face turn, which
> I predict will happen to coincide with the release of his next
> motion picture.
And that's what I'm afraid of. Another great angle (a la Pillman /
"Bookerman") shot down by the HH ego. But the difference with me is that
I'm at least willing to give it a chance.
--
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Carl
>I hate to sound cynical, but I hope everyone is looking forward to a
>summer of watching the invincible Anti-Hogan humiliate Ric Flair and
>co.
>Francesca
I'm looking forward to it. Hogan should beat everyone WCW has to
offer, until someone (Sting, I hope) takes him out at Starrcade. This
angle needs to take it's time-and if that means the return of the
invincible Hogan, so be it.
It's kind of sad to see so many people struggling to maintain their
hatred of Hogan. Folks, it was a great angle. Enjoy it.
Carl
Mark Davenport
In <4rufud$k...@goodnews.voicenet.com> and...@omni.voicenet.com (Carl)
writes:
give WCW credit for anything. We must bitch as that is all we ever do.
The Maritimer
Carl wrote:
> It's kind of sad to see so many people struggling to maintain their
> hatred of Hogan. Folks, it was a great angle. Enjoy it.
Trust me. It's no struggle. Hogan is still, well, Hogan.
The Maritimer
Rick Scaia
In a previous article, Herb Kunze wrote:
>
> When I started sifting through the weekend's news this morning,
> I figured that you'd have to come with an attack of some sort
> to deflect from the monumental angle that WCW ran last night.
> Boy, am I surprised!
You know, Herb, sometimes I wonder if you really sit back and
try to have a sense of humor every now and again. Cuz it's posts
like these that make me ask myself if you are either -- despite a number
of crictically acclaimed mathematical degress -- a closet moron or a
guy with a really unfunny sense of humor.
> Right on, Rick!! A work and workrate based argument. Believe
> it or not, I had the same thoughts this morning as I sifted
> through endless "Hulk Rules!" posts.
Case in point. You can go back and check for me, but I'm
pretty sure the word "workrate" was never used in the original
article I posted. I guess, if you get right down to it, we'll
both agree that the endless "Hulk Rules!" posts are uncalled-for;
but don't go putting words into my mouth.
My problem is not limited to Hogan's lack of wrestling ability.
While that may be a small part of why *I* don't like him, I think
it's safe to say that other factors of Hogan's persona are why
I do not welcome him as heartily as others have. For instance,
I fear that having Hogan's ego in the equation will screw things
up. I have always feared this. I fear having Hogan going around
spewing forth crappy interviews (heel or face) will only serve
to remind people that this guy is about 10 years past being interesting.
I have always feared this.
What bugs me is that for 3 years, I have not been the only person
fearing these things. It seemed like everybody around here had
had it up to their scalps with Hogan. Not just his lack of "workrate"
but everything about him. And in one night, there is a 180-degree
change of opinion. More than anything, that is what I was rallying
against.
A person can like what ever they want... I just start wondering
about their sanity when they hate something on Sunday morning, and
go to bed Sunday night loving it.
> I'm in strong agreement with you here, so let's just go that
> extra inch and spill the whole beans:
>
> When was the last time the following wrestlers worked a good
> or better match: Hulk Hogan, Jim Duggan, Giant, John Tenta,
> Yokozuna, Undertaker, Ultimate Warrior, Goldust?
Since I've got a bit of free time, and feel like wasting it, I
will answer your question in all seriousness. In order:
WrestleMania 6 (vs. Warrior). Never, as far as I can recall (going
back to his WWF debut in 1987). Last fall on Nitro (vs. Randy Savage).
Never, as far as I can recall (going back to his WWF debut in 1989).
Fall of '93 (vs. Bret Hart on USA Special leading into Survivor Series).
Two weeks ago at King of the Ring (vs. Cactus); also at WM12 (vs.
Diesel). SummerSlam '92 (vs. Randy Savage). WrestleMania (vs. Roddy
Piper).
So what did that prove?
> I know, I know! It's like those matches that rely on story lines
> instead of wrestlers and get rave reviews because the story lines
> are so strong! You know, matches with Jerry Lawler (vs. Bret Hart
> comes to mind) or the Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart cage match. Yeah,
> the story line was strong, but where was the work!
I liked, and still enjoy re-watching some of those angle-oriented
matches, Herb. Again, don't go twisting my words. Not even if
you are trying to be funny.
I think I can best demonstrate what I really mean here with a
simple observation: by all accounts, Kevin "Diesel" Nash is
no more talented a worker than Hulk Hogan. Yet, I have paid
to see numerous Diesel matches in the past, despite not giving
a damn about Hogan for the past 3-4 years. It has nothing to
do with workrate or any of your other contrivances. When
Nash left Titan, he became one reason why I would pay more attention
to Nitro; when he was joined by Hogan, I immediately start to
care less about the fact that Nash is involved.
I do not hate Hulk Hogan. I am merely totally unentertained
by him. It was shocking to see him turn heel, and I have since
sought out a friend with a tape of the occassion to see it.
But the shock-value does not make Hogan my new favorite wrestler.
And I would wager that it won't even make him "watchable" for
much more than a couple weeks. If I can predict the moronic,
fickle masses of RSPW correctly, they'll all be bitching about
what an ass Hogan is, and how his ego is running out of control
when the Giant jobs to him at the next PPV.
Later....
Rick Scaia
Jeff Amdur (je...@clark.net) writes:
>
> I don't see us applauding Hogan per se. We're applauding the angle, which
> to many of us was totally unexpected given Hogan's massive ego.
If by "us" you mean the sort of intelligent, yet somehow -- ahem --
souless sort of fan who bastards like the two of us associate
with, then you're right on. In fact, I did toss the angle
a backhanded compliment later in my post.
However, "us" cannot include, in my mind, the 200 or so "Hogan Rules!"
posts that popped up in the 24 hours after BatB. And it was
those morons I was castigating.
And FWIW, I don't think anyone asked Hogan to check his ego at
the door... since he'll be getting the title back from Giant
at thee next PPV, same as he would have as a face. Hogan's an
actor... he doesn't care what roll he plays, as long as the payoff
is the same. His ego remains stroked.
> And that's what I'm afraid of. Another great angle (a la Pillman /
> "Bookerman") shot down by the HH ego. But the difference with me is that
> I'm at least willing to give it a chance.
Hey, I'm watching the damn TV... I'm "giving it a chance" so to
speak. It's just that it's not starting off in the same highly
touted position with me as it is with the RSPW Jack-Ass Batallion
who were posting the "Hogan Rules" messages by the score three
days ago. The angle itself was shocking, and -- in a twisted
way for someone who grew up in the wrestling era I did -- fun.
But my point is, this is still Hulk Hogan. He was not worth
getting excited about 3 years ago, and still isn't. If anything,
he's ruining the fun I derived from watching Nash and Hall, two
guys I like, make their jump to WCW.
But hey, I'll watch the TV show as long as Rey, Jr. has to defend
every damned week on Nitro.
later.....
J.J. Perry
ag...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Rick Scaia) wrote:
>
>Jeff Amdur (je...@clark.net) writes:
>>
>> And that's what I'm afraid of. Another great angle (a la Pillman /
>> "Bookerman") shot down by the HH ego. But the difference with me is that
>> I'm at least willing to give it a chance.
>
>Hey, I'm watching the damn TV... I'm "giving it a chance" so to
>speak. It's just that it's not starting off in the same highly
>touted position with me as it is with the RSPW Jack-Ass Batallion
>who were posting the "Hogan Rules" messages by the score three
>days ago. The angle itself was shocking, and -- in a twisted
>way for someone who grew up in the wrestling era I did -- fun.
>But my point is, this is still Hulk Hogan. He was not worth
>getting excited about 3 years ago, and still isn't. If anything,
>he's ruining the fun I derived from watching Nash and Hall, two
>guys I like, make their jump to WCW.
>
facial expressions, the mussing of Uncle Eric's hair, Nash's
fantastic interviews, the wise cracks, the "Clique signs," all the
things that built excitement for the angle were lost, IMODO, when
Hogan came to the ring, had a seven minute interview (that, while
shocking for him, is nowhere near the caliber or style interview
that is going on today. "Stick it?") and Hall and Nash stood in the
back doing the cup-to-the-ear.
I said in an earlier post that Hogan remains the no-selling cruddy
wrestler he was the last time he was on Nitro. I imagine his ego
is still going unchecked as well.
J. J.
"BLUESTIME!" http://ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu/~jjperry
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Herb Kunze
In article <4s19vm$c...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
Rick Scaia <ag...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>You know, Herb, sometimes I wonder if you really sit back and
>try to have a sense of humor every now and again. Cuz it's posts
>like these that make me ask myself if you are either -- despite a number
>of crictically acclaimed mathematical degress -- a closet moron or a
>guy with a really unfunny sense of humor.
Rick, I've never stooped to insulting you; I kind of like our
give-and-take discussions on pro-wrestling.
>> Right on, Rick!! A work and workrate based argument. Believe
>> it or not, I had the same thoughts this morning as I sifted
>> through endless "Hulk Rules!" posts.
>Case in point. You can go back and check for me, but I'm
>pretty sure the word "workrate" was never used in the original
>article I posted. I guess, if you get right down to it, we'll
>both agree that the endless "Hulk Rules!" posts are uncalled-for;
>but don't go putting words into my mouth.
>My problem is not limited to Hogan's lack of wrestling ability.
You mentioned wrestling ability, something you almost never do.
Maybe you wanted to keep your original post short, but what
remains is that you didn't mention Hogan's shitty interviews
(although the heel turn one was good, I still have flashbacks
to the one about the little Hulkamaniacs drinking Hogan's sweat
out of Dixie cups), you mentioned is poor wrestling ability.
>While that may be a small part of why *I* don't like him, I think
>it's safe to say that other factors of Hogan's persona are why
>I do not welcome him as heartily as others have.
I completely agree with all of your reasons for disliking Hogan.
I completely agree with your amazement that so many people here
suddenly posted positive Hogan articles. But, heck, that kind
of angle and interview gets over other bums in other nameless
promotions, so I half expected it. I watched the show with a
local fan, who likes ECW, who immediately (jokingly, I think)
started chanting "He's Hardcore!"
>> When was the last time the following wrestlers worked a good
>> or better match: Hulk Hogan, Jim Duggan, Giant, John Tenta,
>> Yokozuna, Undertaker, Ultimate Warrior, Goldust?
>
>WrestleMania 6 (vs. Warrior). Never, as far as I can recall (going
>back to his WWF debut in 1987). Last fall on Nitro (vs. Randy Savage).
>Never, as far as I can recall (going back to his WWF debut in 1989).
>Fall of '93 (vs. Bret Hart on USA Special leading into Survivor Series).
>Two weeks ago at King of the Ring (vs. Cactus); also at WM12 (vs.
>Diesel). SummerSlam '92 (vs. Randy Savage). WrestleMania (vs. Roddy
>Piper).
>
>So what did that prove?
Not much. But if you try to list all of the good matches that
the above guys have worked, you are going to have a much shorter
list than you would if you picked eight different wrestlers.
And I don't think any one of those eight guys is going to have
substantially more good matches than any other guy on the list.
>I think I can best demonstrate what I really mean here with a
>simple observation: by all accounts, Kevin "Diesel" Nash is
>no more talented a worker than Hulk Hogan. Yet, I have paid
>to see numerous Diesel matches in the past, despite not giving
>a damn about Hogan for the past 3-4 years. It has nothing to
>do with workrate or any of your other contrivances.
I'm not saying that you can't like who you want for whatever
reasons you want. But *you* mentioned wrestling ability in
your description of Hulk Hogan, *you* said that his matches
will still stink because he's still Hulk Hogan. I agree
completely with you! But, in the same breath, based on
the same measure, a generic match of any of the eight guys above
will stink too.
Now that you've expanded on your feelings about Hulk Hogan
and worked around your original terser post, you've cleared
things up a bit. But, I still remain touched that the first
criticism that came to your mind, whether you want to use the
words or not, was work/workrate-based.
Herb...
Rick Scaia
Herb Kunze (hek...@mercator.math.uwaterloo.ca) writes:
>
> Rick, I've never stooped to insulting you; I kind of like our
> give-and-take discussions on pro-wrestling.
Hey, you were the one who all-but called me a Fuckin' Workrate
Freak (tm, WarriorJS)! I take great exception to that particular
label, as you know!
Har. In all seriousness, you are right, Herb... my statements
were a fine example of my twisted, mean sense of humor, and not
particularly useful. In the future, I will endeavor to insult
you in a more entertaining, light-hearted fashion.
And don't doubt that I enjoy having someone who could in all
seriousness be called my Arch-Nemesis to debate with.
> You mentioned wrestling ability, something you almost never do.
> Maybe you wanted to keep your original post short, but what
> remains is that you didn't mention Hogan's shitty interviews
> (although the heel turn one was good, I still have flashbacks
> to the one about the little Hulkamaniacs drinking Hogan's sweat
> out of Dixie cups), you mentioned is poor wrestling ability.
Fair enough. I mentioned it. But there were/are other facets
that make or break a wrestler in my mind. I think there *is*
a minimum requirement of skill a guy must have, "workrate"-wise,
however. I do believe that Hulk Hogan would pass that test (meaning
if he were not so damn insuffereable on other counts, I might still
be able to endure watching him), whereas -- off the top of my head --
Giant Gonzales would not. Nor John Tenta. Or Jim Duggan. Or
Val Puccio.
Well, maybe Hogan wouldn't make the cut... a couple years back,
maybe... I don't know. It's a tough call there.
> I completely agree with all of your reasons for disliking Hogan.
> I completely agree with your amazement that so many people here
> suddenly posted positive Hogan articles. But, heck, that kind
> of angle and interview gets over other bums in other nameless
> promotions, so I half expected it. I watched the show with a
> local fan, who likes ECW, who immediately (jokingly, I think)
> started chanting "He's Hardcore!"
But see, that's the "problem," kind of. If I'd seen the show live,
rather than seeing it after the fact, I bet I would have been
sort of getting off on it, and can even see myself making the
joking "He's Hardcore" reference. But I would be joking...
I would be enjoying the moment, but keeping in mind the big picture.
Namely, that this is still Hulk Hogan.
I think maybe, for sanity's sake, Iwill subscribe to Jeff Amdur's
analysis... that most fans did let the shock of the angle get
to them, and that once Hogan -- and his ego -- reassert(s)
it/themself(ves) in the form of Hogan being handed the WCW strap
on a silver platter in a *3/4 match on the next PPV, the fans will
return to their senses. If Jeff is wrong, and Hogan stays over
just by nature of beeing a heel, I will likely have to reconsider
my belief that there are a healthy number of double-digit IQ
wrestling fans.
> Now that you've expanded on your feelings about Hulk Hogan
> and worked around your original terser post, you've cleared
> things up a bit. But, I still remain touched that the first
> criticism that came to your mind, whether you want to use the
> words or not, was work/workrate-based.
I am touched that you are touched.
But I still take exception to your labeling of me! I would
rather think of myself as a discerning fan who enjoys ALL facets
of wrestling, and can identify total crap -- in any of those
faceets -- even if it is in the area of "workrate." I can
think of very few guys I hate solely because they suck in the
skill department (El Gigante Gonzales is really the only one who
comees to mind), and can think of a couple of "limited" athletes
who I enjoy (Diesel, Undertaker, and Sandman come immediately to mind).
Later.....
Talanis
no matter how you push him, hogan still sucks.
Roberto Solorzano
Talanis wrote:
>
> no matter how you push him, hogan still sucks.
Ditto