WCW wrestlers to WWF
frenchy
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>>The only difference that I can see is that the WWF makes champions and the
>>WCW makes losers.
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>Well, take a look at what WWF did to Vader and Ron Simmons...
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>David
>"I hate each and every one of you!"
dont forget what they did to Dustin.
--
Chris
*****
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D.Hammond
How does that prove Bischoff is a no-talent hack???
Who's winning the ratings??
In article <199808310329...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
beaf...@aol.com says...
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>>WCW
>>> wrestlers go to the WWF. Here's just a few:
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>>> 1) Stone Cold
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>>> 2) Mick Foley
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>>> 3) The late Brian Pillman
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>>> 4) Vader
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>>> 5) X-pac
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>>The difference bing that all but Pillman were fired.
>>
>>-- Conn (co...@wctc.net)
>>
>>History shows again and again,
>>how nature points out the folly of man.
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>Which proves Bitchoff is a loser, no talent hack.
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>Queen of the misquotes.
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>Taking your thoughts and making them mine.
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Gunner
Actually the WWF is winning the ratings, as the guys who have put the
WCW on top of the ratings all came from the WWF. If the WWF hadn't made
those guys well known in wrestling, nobody would really care. Bishoff
continued to slam Nash while Nash was the WWF champ, and said that he was
nothing more than a Mid-card wrestler. But when Nash came back to the
WCW, Bishoff tried to make it seem as though Mash was the best thing
around. Why push someone who you state is nothing more than a Mid-carder?
I have yet to see Bishoff come up with ONE orginal idea that he hasn't
stolen from the WWF or any other wrestling organization. The NWO is even
a cheap ripoff of something that has been done elsewhere.
mar...@my-dejanews.com
WCW. But what a lot of people overlook is the fact that just as many WCW
wrestlers go to the WWF. Here's just a few:
1) Stone Cold
2) Mick Foley
3) The late Brian Pillman
4) Vader
5) X-pac
The only difference that I can see is that the WWF makes champions and the
WCW makes losers.
-Mark Gibson
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Cartman69x
>The only difference that I can see is that the WWF makes champions and the
>WCW makes losers.
Well, take a look at what WWF did to Vader and Ron Simmons...
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>dont forget what they did to Dustin.
>
>
Good point. They made him act like a homosexual for a couple years, and now
they have him playing a religious jobber.
Conn
mar...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> I'm sick of hearing everyone bitch about how so many WWF wrestlers go to the
> WCW. But what a lot of people overlook is the fact that just as many WCW
> wrestlers go to the WWF. Here's just a few:
>
> 1) Stone Cold
>
> 2) Mick Foley
>
> 3) The late Brian Pillman
>
> 4) Vader
>
> 5) X-pac
The difference bing that all but Pillman were fired.
BeaFuddle
>> wrestlers go to the WWF. Here's just a few:
>>
>> 1) Stone Cold
>>
>> 2) Mick Foley
>>
>> 3) The late Brian Pillman
>>
>> 4) Vader
>>
>> 5) X-pac
>
>The difference bing that all but Pillman were fired.
>
>-- Conn (co...@wctc.net)
>
>History shows again and again,
>how nature points out the folly of man.
>
>
Which proves Bitchoff is a loser, no talent hack.
Prsolinger
couldn't draw anymore, but McMahon proved him wrong. Bischoff couldn't create
a star if it bit him in the ass.
Oh, and in case your wondering, Goldberg created himself.
The Boss
The Burke's
Look what WCW did to - Hart, Bulldog, Hennig, Hall, Syxx, Nash, Warrior
(soon), Piper, the list goes on
Tehawk
(Cartman69x) mumbled incoherently:
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>>The only difference that I can see is that the WWF makes champions and the
>>WCW makes losers.
>
>Well, take a look at what WWF did to Vader and Ron Simmons...
>
>
And lets not forget the Giant Gonzalez wearing his animal skin.
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>On 31 Aug 1998 02:25:46 GMT, the infamous cartm...@aol.com
>(Cartman69x) mumbled incoherently:
>
>>>
>>>The only difference that I can see is that the WWF makes champions and
the
>>>WCW makes losers.
>>
>>Well, take a look at what WWF did to Vader and Ron Simmons...
>>
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>And lets not forget the Giant Gonzalez wearing his animal skin.
>
WWF makes champions out of those who will kiss Uncle Vinny's butt.
WCW makes champions out of those who will kiss Hollywood's butt.
What is the difference?
---
Willy
WCW the best talent money can buy,
Booked by the worst bookers in the History of our Great Sport.
Brian Lewis
mar...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> I'm sick of hearing everyone bitch about how so many WWF wrestlers go to the
> WCW. But what a lot of people overlook is the fact that just as many WCW
> wrestlers go to the WWF. Here's just a few:
>
> 1) Stone Cold
>
> 2) Mick Foley
>
> 3) The late Brian Pillman
>
> 4) Vader
>
> 5) X-pac
>
> The only difference that I can see is that the WWF makes champions and the
> WCW makes losers.
>
> -Mark Gibson
>
I find it strange that you made your closing statement while including Vader
in your list. Vader was the best monster heel in the business (thanks to the
efforts of the WCW bookers) and has been jobbed to death in the WWF.
You also neglected to include Dustin Rhodes, who (like Steve Austin) held
every major title in WCW except the World belt, who had a limited run as
IC champ and an extended embarassing run as Golddust.
And if you want to go back in time a bit, you'll realize that the ONLY former
WCW world title holder to get any respect while in the WWF was Ric
Flair. Even Ricky Steamboat, who had a very successful and popular run
during his first WWF stint, was repackaged simply as "The Dragon" (with
a silly headdress and spitting fire, without the announcers ever mentioning his
name or history in the WWF) on his return following his WCW World title
reign.
The WWF made Terry Taylor a laughing stock, embarassed Dusty Rhodes
to no end, misused Lex Luger, STILL can't figure out what they want to do
with Jeff Jarrett, and are only interested in Sean Waltman because he was a
member of the nWo and signing him was a minor coup for the company.
The Undertaker also worked for WCW, and if I were Mark Callus I'd be
a little upset with the WWF. Yes the Undertaker is very popular, but it is
also a cartoon gimmick that the WWF owns outright. Because he doesn't
own the character, the WWF has the upper hand in contract negotiations
with Mark Callus. If he ever wanted to move on, his options and possible
salary offers then say Hart, Flair, Hogan, or Austin (popular wrestlers that
can take their names with them).
Neither organization has a monoply on "creating" stars. Both have their
wins and losses, and only the completely biased marks can't see that for
themselves.
Monty
Conn
The Burke's wrote:
> <snip>
>
> Look what WCW did to - Hart, Bulldog, Hennig, Hall, Syxx, Nash, Warrior
> (soon), Piper,
Made them rich? Let them book their own angles? Allowed them to be home
with their families and work a third of the schedule they had before?
Those poor bastards.
Conn
Brian Lewis wrote:
> Neither organization has a monoply on "creating" stars. Both have their
> wins and losses, and only the completely biased marks can't see that for
> themselves.
Amen.
Rob Blake
Those poor bastards.
Conn wrote:
>
> The Burke's wrote:
>
> > <snip>
> >
> > Look what WCW did to - Hart, Bulldog, Hennig, Hall, Syxx, Nash, Warrior
> > (soon), Piper,
>
> Made them rich? Let them book their own angles? Allowed them to be home
> with their families and work a third of the schedule they had before?
>
> Those poor bastards.
>
> -- Conn (co...@wctc.net)
>
> History shows again and again,
> how nature points out the folly of man.
--
********
R.J.F.B.
"If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would
appear as it is, infinite." -- William Blake
Mattie C.
> The Burke's wrote:
>
> > <snip>
> >
> > Look what WCW did to - Hart, Bulldog, Hennig, Hall, Syxx, Nash, Warrior
> > (soon), Piper,
>
> Made them rich? Let them book their own angles? Allowed them to be home
> with their families and work a third of the schedule they had before?
>
> Those poor bastards.
>
Conn, the problem here is that you are approaching this from a
wrestler's perspective, not a fan's.
Wrestler's perspective: made them rich
Fan's perspective: say adios, workrate!
Wrestler's perspective: Let them book their own angles
Fan's perspective: signed a no-job clause; "who booked this crap?"
Wrestler's perspective: Less grueling travel, work, more family time
Fan's perspective: Lazy SOB never wrestles anymore - rants don't
balance lack of action in ring
Tell me I'm wrong.
OK - but do it nicely. ;o)
> -- Conn (co...@wctc.net)
>
> History shows again and again,
> how nature points out the folly of man.
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Conn
Rob Blake wrote:
> Made them non contenders? Fired them by Fed-Ex?
Contenders, Rob?
Since when has pro-wrestling been a contest?
Conn
Mattie C. wrote:
> In article <35EB6719...@wctc.net>, Conn <co...@wctc.net> wrote:
>
> > The Burke's wrote:
> >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > Look what WCW did to - Hart, Bulldog, Hennig, Hall, Syxx, Nash, Warrior
> > > (soon), Piper,
> >
> > Made them rich? Let them book their own angles? Allowed them to be home
> > with their families and work a third of the schedule they had before?
> >
> > Those poor bastards.
> >
> Conn, the problem here is that you are approaching this from a
> wrestler's perspective, not a fan's.
>
> Wrestler's perspective: made them rich
> Fan's perspective: say adios, workrate!
>
> Wrestler's perspective: Let them book their own angles
> Fan's perspective: signed a no-job clause; "who booked this crap?"
>
> Wrestler's perspective: Less grueling travel, work, more family time
> Fan's perspective: Lazy SOB never wrestles anymore - rants don't
> balance lack of action in ring
>
> Tell me I'm wrong.
> OK - but do it nicely. ;o)
Your image of a "fan" is skewed. The average wrestling fan knows nothing of
workrates, booking, and mat-time vs. mic-time. To the smarts this may have
meaning, but to the "fans", (who outnumber smarts 1,000 to 1) Hogan, Piper,
Warrior, Duggan and Luger are all great wrestlers. That's the fan's
perspective. They're the ones who keep paying cash for tickets, t-shirts and
pay-per-views. Cash that makes the wrestling world turn.
Bottom line is: It's got nothing to do with wrestling, it's all about money.
Rob Blake
assume that they were under the impression that they were going to be
made a contender in the new fed - you think Eric Bischoff said to DBS
"Listen, Dave, sign this contract and I will ensure that you will be put
into bad angles, bad programs, and that you'll be fighting High Voltage
in no time". *I don't think so!*. Geez Conn, you should know better than
anyone that being a contender is important - your boy Ric Flair seemed
to go through a non-contender period there, and it didn't do much for
his career.
Conn wrote:
>
> Rob Blake wrote:
>
> > Made them non contenders? Fired them by Fed-Ex?
>
> Contenders, Rob?
>
> Since when has pro-wrestling been a contest?
>
> -- Conn (co...@wctc.net)
>
> History shows again and again,
> how nature points out the folly of man.
--
Conn
Rob Blake wrote:
> Did I say it was a contest? If you were a contender in one fed, I would
> assume that they were under the impression that they were going to be
> made a contender in the new fed - you think Eric Bischoff said to DBS
> "Listen, Dave, sign this contract and I will ensure that you will be put
> into bad angles, bad programs, and that you'll be fighting High Voltage
> in no time". *I don't think so!*. Geez Conn, you should know better than
> anyone that being a contender is important - your boy Ric Flair seemed
> to go through a non-contender period there, and it didn't do much for
> his career.
You miss my point. In order to contend, there must be a contest.
There are no contenders in wrestling, only men and women playing roles.
Almost any person would trade the lion's share of the spotlight for an extra
quarter mil. Wrestlers are no different. What Eric said was "Listen Dave,
you know Vince is going to fire you. Sign this contract and I'll double your
salary and halve your work schedule." Smith's position on the card was
probably discussed very little, if at all.
It's not about angles, programs, or positions on cards. It's not about
competent wrestling. It's about money
Rob Blake
> You miss my point. In order to contend, there must be a contest.
>
> There are no contenders in wrestling, only men and women playing >roles.
Well, maybe from the wrestlers point of view, but from the fans point of
view, thats bullshit. And I would still consider it bullshit from a
wrestlers point of view - of course a wrestler would want to be a
contender, because being a big star means more money.
> Almost any person would trade the lion's share of the spotlight for an extra
> quarter mil. Wrestlers are no different. What Eric said was "Listen Dave,
> you know Vince is going to fire you. Sign this contract and I'll double your
> salary and halve your work schedule." Smith's position on the card was
> probably discussed very little, if at all.
"If at all"? Highly doubtful, Conn. They would have talked about his
angle, his future - if position didn't matter to wrestlers, then there
would be no guaranteed title reigns, etc.
> It's not about angles, programs, or positions on cards. It's not about
> competent wrestling. It's about money
No surprise. But I would expect that respect fits in there.....
Conn
> Conn wrote:
>
> > You miss my point. In order to contend, there must be a contest.
> >
> > There are no contenders in wrestling, only men and women playing >roles.
>
> Well, maybe from the wrestlers point of view, but from the fans point of
> view, thats bullshit. And I would still consider it bullshit from a
> wrestlers point of view - of course a wrestler would want to be a
> contender, because being a big star means more money.
Hall and Nash have not seriously contended for any singles title in WCW. Their tag
titles were farcical reigns as paper champions. They have been upper mid-card for
well over a year now.
Bill Goldberg was a contender for first the US belt, then the number one contender
for the World title. He's the most pushed wrestler since Hulkamania and is at or
near the top of every card he works.
Who makes more money?
> > Almost any person would trade the lion's share of the spotlight for an extra
> > quarter mil. Wrestlers are no different. What Eric said was "Listen Dave,
> > you know Vince is going to fire you. Sign this contract and I'll double your
> > salary and halve your work schedule." Smith's position on the card was
> > probably discussed very little, if at all.
>
> "If at all"? Highly doubtful, Conn. They would have talked about his
> angle, his future -
If they did, then surely he and Anvil willingly agreed to be JTTS. Why would they
do that, Rob?
> if position didn't matter to wrestlers, then there
> would be no guaranteed title reigns, etc.
Take a look at who the few -very few- men who can demand those stips are. Hogan,
Hart, Micheals, Warrior. Four egomaniacs, one showman and one nut. Only one could
honestly be called a wrestler.
> > It's not about angles, programs, or positions on cards. It's not about
> > competent wrestling. It's about money
>
> No surprise. But I would expect that respect fits in there...
But Rob, respect in wrestling has nothing to do with winning matches and titles.
The men who are respected are the ones who sell tickets and merchandise.