[Nitro] Razor Ramon's appearance... Umm.. any comments?
Kintaro
This is becoming a very interesting scenario right here.. For the benefit
of those who missed it, Scott Hall<Razor> walked across the floor, in
broad sight of a cameraman during a match between "The Mauler"<Oh, what a
creative and unique angle, looks like a fake Justin Bradshaw on Crack> and
Steve Doll, Razor comes out, in character, and basically tells the WCW
"you're a bunch of old, fake ass hicks, with alot of money." saying "you
want a war, you got one." and claims he wants to have a word with the Ken
Doll look-alike<Bischoff> At the end of the show, Hall comes back out,
Tells Bischoff"Get your three best, and let's settle this like men." Then
flicks his toothpick at them, hitting Heenan.
Okay, so part of this looked spontaneous, part looked set up, and it
got me and my friend discussing where Razor is headed. He figures that you
do not come out and say that as part of your enterance angle. He's
probably right, and the responce of Bischoff and Tony Shavante sounded
pretty realistic. Of course, if this was a shoot, and I was Scott Hall, i
would have come out during a big match, so, we theorised the possible
angles of this one...
1. Hall is still with the WWF, and dicked the WCW over at the last minute,
this was a shoot, and Bischoff is now busy trying to play this off.
Pro: Believable
Con: Somehow I doubt it, Razor did do an unnessassary clean job to HHH at
the Baltimore Arena House show... so you have to wonder..
2. Hall signed with WCW, and he is going to be in WCW representing the
"other federation" if this is the case, look for him to be a JTTS very
quickly...
Pro: Sounds like something Bischoff<rat Bastard> would do, so it's
believable, and fairly original.
Con: Too much of a waste of talent and money, and also not that
believable..
3. Hall is a "Loose Cannon"<please don't flame me, I couldn't think of a
better Adjective for sooooo many reasons.> and did this by his own accord.
Pro: also... believable
Con: He may have backfired, because I'm sure Nitro's rating went through
the roof as a result, you can't tell me that you don't want to see someone
carry the hell out of Bischoff..
4. The WWF and WCW finally decided to have a contest within each other,
and Scott Hall is simply the humerous messanger, and this may be set up by
both federations soon enough.
Pro: It would be a dream come true, unless anyone jobs to Hogan.
Con: Umm... I'm slowly working on my second bottle of Mad Dog, so you can
see where this last idea came from.. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
Of course, here's a question, if this was Vince's plan, then why the hell
didn't he acknowlage it? Seems to me that if he doesn't say anything by
superstars, then 2 is the most likely possibility..
Does anyone else have any thoughts on this matter?
Kintaro
Kintaro
joseph worley
I think Razor will be representing "the other federation" (WWF) and
jobbing to everyone. And they my work the same angle when Big Daddy
Cool comes to WCW.
Also insted of playing old clips of ex-WCW stars who have jumped ship
to the WWF, getting the crap beat out of them by current WCW stars,
they can do it in new matches.
Patrick Calvert
I was scared at the start of the show when they said that Col. Parker was
going to unveil a new man tonight. I knew Hall would be on the show. OH
GOD please don't let Scott Hall be that new wrestler. Thank goodness it
wasn't,he probably will be a WWF representative jobber so maybe Parker
should manage him! Parker- Manager of JTTS!
PJ
STEVE AUSTIN IS GOD!
james a. scarborough
No way is this Vinny Mac's idea, he doesnt even like to acknowledge that
other wrestling organizations exsist outside of his World Whining
Federation. Bischoff has just came up with a great angle to promote the
place where the Big Boys play. If Bischoff plays it right this could be
one of the best angles ever.
StewMyrick
Interesting night. Did anyone notice Heenan at the beginning of the
second hour when Bischoff was rambling about Hall. He looked like he
didn't want any part of it. At one point in the show, he even told
Bischoff,"You're on your own on this one." As much as I would like to
believe otherwise, I have to conclude that this is an angle to set Hall up
as a major jobber, although that would be a big waste of talent. I guess
we'll see.
Stewart Myrick
Austin, Texas
(stewm...@aol.com)
jeff corder
In article <4odq4q$v...@bill.gnatnet.net>, jimm...@gnatnet.net says...
That's a big 'IF', James. If Bischoff doesn't make Hall out to be one BAD
S.O.B. then Vinnie Mc will have lost nothing. For once, maybe Bischoff
will do a WWF newcomer (and WCW) right by coming up with a good angle.
I had to work tonight, so I can't wait to see it on WCW pro Sat morn.
rgds,
jeff
John Walker (CS)
>Kintaro
Just my $.02, but the moment Raw and Nitro went opposite each other, and
the big debate started, this was bound to happen. It even showed up in
a wrestling magazine a month or so back, on the cover...a joint WCW/WWF
supercard.
Remember, drawing attention to your competition, even through insults,
invites comparison. WCW started ragging on WWF with their announcers.
WWF started doing the "Billionaire Ted" skits. They were building heat
between them, unless I've just stepped off the turnip truck, with intention
of -fostering- public comparison and debate. Remember, wrestling has begun
to decline, since the mid-80s "HH" era in the WWF. Ted and Vinnie Mac are
businessmen, after all. This would be a MONSTER ppv, easily the biggest one
of the past ten years. Now, the only question is who will each side field
for "the war"...
I have a hard time believing that Scott/Razor asked for the WCW's three "best",
with him arguably not being rated in the top three of the WWF. My picks for
WWF reps would be Undertaker, Diesel, Shawn, Bret, or Ahmed. A couple I know
we would -never- see would be Mero and Vader. Now...imagine, if you weeeeeeeel,
GoldDust coming out, and Papa Dusty commenting the match from the booth. I
most assuredly would wet my pants, from laughing. Yep... Didn't he once refer
to Dustin, in an interview with Gordon Solie, as "the fruit of my loins"?
Fruit, eh Dusty? You wouldn't know how prophetic your words would some day be.
;-)
-Pat
(On "Da Roomie's" 'puter)
mark.r.bureau
In article <4oe5n6$b...@dsk92.itg.ti.com>, jeff corder <sg...@itg.ti.com> wrote:
>
>
>If Bischoff plays it right this could be
>>one of the best angles ever.
>>
>That's a big 'IF', James. If Bischoff doesn't make Hall out to be one BAD
I've always wondered something, what exactly is the RIGHT way
to play this. I just love the suttle disclaimer that you
guys make when you have to muster up a small compliment to
Bischoff: "Yeah, it's a good angle, but he'll mess it up"
or "It will turn out great, IF he plays it right"
So, I ask: Rick, JOE P??? How would you play it, and why
do you think your way would be the right way?
See ya!
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Jeff Satterfield
I think he may actually be doing this for the WWF. Why would he have interrupted the
debut of Mike "Mauler" Enos(Thank you Razor!). But was I the only one that heard Eric
say "Now they've stepped over the line!"? Or was it "Now they've gone to far!"?
Anyway, I think Razor was challenging the WCW, he was in complete Razor character! Oh
well, I hope Eric is enjoying his table! :)
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bishop
But then you have just wasted a hell of a lot money in bringing in these
guys. You can only benefit from this angle in the short run. These guys are
now company men who probably have a contract for a least a year. What do you
do with them six months from now. If you job them out then how are you ever
going to lure any top names in another federation if this is the treatment.
Don't get me wrong I like the angle, but its a real hard angle to pull off on
a long term basis.
tan...@winternet.com
It depends. If Scott and Kevin are allowed to do credible matches, and win a
few of them, this could be played out as a "growing respect" angle, with
the former WWF stars being slowly convinced that WCW really DOES have the
superior wrestlers.
This would protect the investment in Scott/Kevin, attack the WWF, and encourage
other stars to jump ship.
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Kintaro
Jeff Satterfield <satt...@pond.com> wrote:
>I think he may actually be doing this for the WWF. Why would he have interrupted the
I hope so!
>debut of Mike "Mauler" Enos(Thank you Razor!). But was I the only one
Oh Hell yeah, Razor saved me from falling asleep.
that heard Eric
>say "Now they've stepped over the line!"? Or was it "Now they've gone to far!"?
>Anyway, I think Razor was challenging the WCW, he was in complete Razor character! Oh
>well, I hope Eric is enjoying his table! :)
hehehehe!
spid
tan...@winternet.com wrote:
>
>
> It depends. If Scott and Kevin are allowed to do credible matches, and win a
> few of them, this could be played out as a "growing respect" angle, with
> the former WWF stars being slowly convinced that WCW really DOES have the
> superior wrestlers.
This is the real challenge to Eric now. In the long term it would have been
have better Flair beat Hogan once. It also would have been better to have
Vader beat Hogan, but neither happened. Nash/Hall will have really establish
that they were best the was there was in the WWF and that all the rest were
weak. Otherwise Eric going to have to give short term credit to the WWF for
the long term gain of the WCW.
Pyledryve
Jeff Satterfield wrote:
>
> I think he may actually be doing this for the WWF. Why would he have interrupted the
> say "Now they've stepped over the line!"? Or was it "Now they've gone to far!"?
> Anyway, I think Razor was challenging the WCW, he was in complete Razor character! Oh
> well, I hope Eric is enjoying his table! :)
> Jeff Satterfield
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I *don't* think Hall is doing this for the good of te WWF. I look at it this way: Bischoff buys Hall
(one of the WWF's most popular stars) and signs Kevin Nash and maybe even one other ex-WWF star. He then
makes them come on the show challenging the WCW and all of it's wrestlers the WWF calls washed up. He then
jobs the hell out of them for a while or makes them look like asses during their first matches. Here's some
proof that shows Hall is not doing this for the WWF. They referred to him as 'you know who' and hec! He even
said 'you know hwo I am' and said 'We, you know who we are, challenge the WWF'. They *never* mentioned his
WWF ring-name or the names of his fed. Not once did he make fun of the Huckster (gee, wonder why;)) but he
went on to make fun of Savage and Sting. Yeah........it's a great sign of the times when people leave one
fed, recieve a huge check, only to be jobbed and smear the name of their ex-fed. I just wanna know how
they're gonna call his ring-name since Razor is copyrighted by the WWF..........
PyleDryve
'All that and a bag of chips!'
Eric J. Brenner
Jeff Satterfield wrote:
>
> I think he may actually be doing this for the WWF. Why would he have interrupted the
> debut of Mike "Mauler" Enos(Thank you Razor!). But was I the only one that heard Eric
> say "Now they've stepped over the line!"? Or was it "Now they've gone to far!"?
> Anyway, I think Razor was challenging the WCW, he was in complete Razor character! Oh
> well, I hope Eric is enjoying his table! :)
> --
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I kinda thought this also, ESPECIALLY when he flicked the
toothpick. Did he do this when he was the Diamond Studd? Maybe Razor
just signed for 1 year. That could be a possibility? I hope he
destroys all of WCW's top wrestlers, except maybe the Giant. That would
be GREAT if it really turned out that Hall was REALLY still with Titan
sports. I dunno, just my thoughts. I hate to see him become a JTTS.
Also, did anyone notice he basically had the same outfit, just in blue
jeans?
Rick and Pat Lowe
bishop wrote:
>
> joseph worley wrote:
> >
> > I think Razor will be representing "the other federation" (WWF) and
> > jobbing to everyone. And they my work the same angle when Big Daddy
> > Cool comes to WCW.
> >
> > Also insted of playing old clips of ex-WCW stars who have jumped ship
> > to the WWF, getting the crap beat out of them by current WCW stars,
> > they can do it in new matches.
>
> But then you have just wasted a hell of a lot money in bringing in these
> guys. You can only benefit from this angle in the short run. These guys are
> now company men who probably have a contract for a least a year. What do you
> do with them six months from now. If you job them out then how are you ever
> going to lure any top names in another federation if this is the treatment.
> Don't get me wrong I like the angle, but its a real hard angle to pull off on
> a long term basis.
You gotta remember: The suits think we're all idiots. Six months from now, they'll
figure we've forgotten that Hall and Nash were ever anything but WCW guys.
Mr. X
In article <4odr4g$o...@news9.erols.com>, mrmd...@pop.erols.com says...
>
>This is becoming a very interesting scenario right here.. For the
benefit
>of those who missed it, Scott Hall<Razor> walked across the floor, in
>broad sight of a cameraman during a match between "The Mauler"
RAZOR RAMONE'S toothpick garbage has got to go!! No one cares and it
has no credibility!! Then maybe he may do something right!
shado1
RMiller775
Do you suppose that Eric gave any indication of this angle to Scott Hall?
Not likely.
So Scott, here's your bullet-train ticket to Jobberville since the one
thing we've established about the Bischoff WCW is that the WWF can be
given no credit and must be belittled at every turn.
Maybe if you're a good scout, Uncle Eric will let you move up to midcard
in a year or two.
Scorpion
In article <31AB5F...@starbase.louisville.edu>, spid
<lpbu...@starbase.louisville.edu> wrote:
> This is the real challenge to Eric now. In the long term it would have been
> have better Flair beat Hogan once. It also would have been better to have
> Vader beat Hogan, but neither happened. Nash/Hall will have really establish
> that they were best the was there was in the WWF and that all the rest were
> weak. Otherwise Eric going to have to give short term credit to the WWF for
> the long term gain of the WCW.
Yeah, but the assumption is that eric can see past next week, and judging
from the way the booking in WCW goes, he can't. Since they signed Hogan,
they haven't been able to build any kind of angle over the long term
without losing their focus and just letting the angle fizzle out (i.e.
DOD, Luger/Sting, Vader, Pillman, Faces of Fear, etc.) The ONLY thing
they've been able to keep going is the Flair-Savage feud, and that's only
on the personalities of Flair and Savage. It would be nice if they could
pull something off with this, but Bischoff's clearly been more interesed
in short term gains over the last couple of years. That probably means
that Nash and Hall are headed straight to Jobberville, chico!
John Petrie
In article <4oelco$3...@nntpa.cb.att.com>,
mr...@cbnews.cb.att.com (mark.r.bureau) wrote:
> I've always wondered something, what exactly is the RIGHT way
> to play this. I just love the suttle disclaimer that you
> guys make when you have to muster up a small compliment to
> Bischoff: "Yeah, it's a good angle, but he'll mess it up"
> or "It will turn out great, IF he plays it right"
It's a good angle, but one with only one, obvious outcome.
> So, I ask: Rick, JOE P??? How would you play it, and why
> do you think your way would be the right way?
If it were me I'd have featured the entire show around it. As it was, it
really seemed to play second fiddle to everything else. It's a storyline that
should really be the focus of the entire fed. As it is, it's just an amusing
side note leading up to the next PPV.
I know they did what they did as a tease to get people to watch this weekend
and next Monday. The problem is I, as a viewer, am stuck watching 90 minutes
of the same old-same old on Nitro when my mind is entirely on the Razor
situation. Even if one watched every second of the show hoping for some tidbit
of info, we instead get the announcer saying they won't talk about it - then
we get to the fireworks for the last two minutes of the show.
So now I (along with most everyone else here) will be watching this weekend to
see what's up. The problem is that they'll do like they did Monday: They'll
show the 5 minutes that Razor was on the air, then not talk abouit it again.
Then we have to watch Nitro (and before you say "that's the idea") we'll be
stuck with this angle being only a minor part of WCW's entire program when it
should be at the forefront and dominant. THAT's what WWF fans mean when they
add the little "disclaimers" like you mention.
The whole idea of the angle is that WCW has been invaded by the WWF. The
obvios outcome is that Ramon and whoever (if anyone) joins him will get their
faces shoved in the dirt. This is fine with me, but they could at least do the
interesting thing and make it seem like a real invasion - a real war - instead
of just another midcard attraction.
Here's a scenario for you: Ted DiBiase (fresh from Steve Austin's loss to
Savio Vega at IYH VIII MkII) arrives to direct the troops. Every week they
crash the TV tapings. DiBiase pays off any and all fines while using his money
to gain influence to keep his men from being suspended or barred or whatever.
If they don't have plans already for Diesel, he would fit in well with the
group, along with numerous prominent ex-WWF'ers (I believe you mentioned Bam
Bam Bigelow in another post.) Let them terrorize the jobbers and beat several
of the mid-card guys (like Bagwell, Wright, and Armstrong.) A few DQ wins over
some of the top guys, stuff like that. Let them pick up a title or two. Have
it all lead up to a PPV a ways down the road where the WWF guys face the top
WCW guys. Now I assume this isn't too far off from what is already planned,
but as I said, make it the focus of the promotion. You could have WCW heels
turn traitor and join the Million Dollar Corp (I wonder if they could use that
name?) Wouldn't it be something if Diamond Dallas Page's "benefactor" was
DiBiase? Page could say WCW sucked because they kicked him out, so he's back
under the funding of the opposition. Bring in the likes of a Bull Nakano to
punish Madusa for trashing the WWF Women's belt. Have Diesel go after Luger,
calling him a traitor and a coward for running to WCW.
The possibilities are endless... unfortuantely there's been nothing from WCW
recently to suggest they'll do more than scratch the surface.
John Petrie
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'Chocolatey' Andy Russell
It's 99.9% probable that it's 2, but I would love for it to be 1...
Andy
prays every night for a rogue WWFer to shoot his way through the WCw
roster...<sigh>
Gerry L. Miller
It's a work ... and a well-done one!!! Bischoff is "cashing in" on the mini-skits that VinnieMac created a couple months ago
with the "Billionaire Ted," Scheme Gene" and "Nacho Man" characters (did you catch the references during Hall's speeches?).
With all of the friction between the WWF and WCW, it's unlikely that they'd kiss and make up without some publicity. But,
I've gotta give Eric a thumbs-up ... he's using VinnieMac's tactics against him and it may become a goldmine for him.
Chris Lattanzi
I was just as surprised as everyone else! I only saw Hall at the end
talking to Bischoff so I really didn't know what to make of it. I think
that since it is probably a work that it is very stupid. Why would they
pay these guys big money to get them away from the WWF when they are
obviously going to job them as soon as they come in!!!! After all, in
their hayday Ramon and Diesel were good wrestlers in the WWF.
Long Live Bret "The Hitman" Hart
Future WWF Champion
Dave Harvey
Yeah. Razor is now with WCW. They pay him. He is a part of that
organization and does what they tell him to do. They told him..
"make it look like you're still a part of the WWF..but don't
say anything specific" and he did. This could turn out to be
the smartest thing Bischoff has ever done. And if he adds Diesel
to this..well...dare I say it...does Eric deserve it?...argh...
damn...alright....i'll say this: Its very smart. There..that
didn't hurt. :)
dh
George Paul
I apologize in advance for the hostlie manner I intend to use while I
rip this Mark's post to shreds. {Place standard viewer discretionary
warning here}
>This is becoming a very interesting scenario right here.. For the benefit
>of those who missed it, Scott Hall<Razor> walked across the floor, in
>broad sight of a cameraman during a match between "The Mauler"<Oh, what a
>creative and unique angle, looks like a fake Justin Bradshaw on Crack> and
>Steve Doll, Razor comes out, in character, and basically tells the WCW
>"you're a bunch of old, fake ass hicks, with alot of money." saying "you
>want a war, you got one." and claims he wants to have a word with the Ken
>Doll look-alike<Bischoff> At the end of the show, Hall comes back out,
>Tells Bischoff"Get your three best, and let's settle this like men." Then
>flicks his toothpick at them, hitting Heenan.
>
> Okay, so part of this looked spontaneous,
This looked as spontaneous as a hookers orgasm.
part looked set up, and it
>got me and my friend discussing where Razor is headed. He figures that you
>do not come out and say that as part of your enterance angle. He's
>probably right, and the responce of Bischoff and Tony Shavante sounded
>pretty realistic.
As realistic as expecting a Ultimate Warrior Match to last over 2
minutes.
Of course, if this was a shoot,
(HaHaHaHa)
and I was Scott Hall, i
>would have come out during a big match, so, we theorised the possible
>angles of this one...
>
>1. Hall is still with the WWF, and dicked the WCW over at the last minute,
>this was a shoot, and Bischoff is now busy trying to play this off.
>Pro: Believable
>Con: Somehow I doubt it, Razor did do an unnessassary clean job to HHH at
>the Baltimore Arena House show... so you have to wonder..
Somehow I doubt that anyone could get into a WCW ring and give a
speech to an open house without getting gang-raped by 1500 security
guards. Do you think fans don't jump into the ring to be heroes (like
the dickheads who run onto football/baseball/etc. fields in order to
get on TV)? The WCW would bum rush anyone who thought about walking
into the ring. There's no way in the world they'd let him mic it up.
Hall is not in the WWF. Get over your separation anxiety and prepare
to watch him job his way around the WCW.
>
>2. Hall signed with WCW, and he is going to be in WCW representing the
>"other federation" if this is the case, look for him to be a JTTS very
>quickly...
>Pro: Sounds like something Bischoff<rat Bastard> would do, so it's
>believable, and fairly original.
>Con: Too much of a waste of talent and money, and also not that
>believable..
If Razor jobs and the WWF looks like an inferior product to the marks,
how is this a waste of money? You're basing your opinion on what
you'd like to see. This is wrestling. If we all got what we wanted
to see, Hogan would have been set a flame along time ago.
Hall will job. Eric will not let the other fed look good. His career
is fucked cuz Vince won't want him back.
Short term thinking on the part of Hall. I think Erictook advantage
of Hall's negative attitude towards Vince and gave him a chance to get
even. Its too bad that he won't be taken seriously again after this.
>
>3. Hall is a "Loose Cannon"<please don't flame me, I couldn't think of a
>better Adjective for sooooo many reasons.> and did this by his own accord.
>Pro: also... believable
>Con: He may have backfired, because I'm sure Nitro's rating went through
>the roof as a result, you can't tell me that you don't want to see someone
>carry the hell out of Bischoff..
You need to accept the fact that very little goes on without Eric
controlling every aspect of it. This kind of thing couldn't just
happen.
>
>4. The WWF and WCW finally decided to have a contest within each other,
>and Scott Hall is simply the humerous messanger, and this may be set up by
>both federations soon enough.
>Pro: It would be a dream come true, unless anyone jobs to Hogan.
>Con: Umm... I'm slowly working on my second bottle of Mad Dog, so you can
>see where this last idea came from.. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
>
>Of course, here's a question, if this was Vince's plan, then why the hell
>didn't he acknowlage it? Seems to me that if he doesn't say anything by
>superstars, then 2 is the most likely possibility..
>
This isn't really worthy of speculation. I envy your naiveite. I
remember when I still used to believe in Santa too.
>Does anyone else have any thoughts on this matter?
>
Yes. One more. Thank you.
>Kintaro
>
>
Dama...@rt66.com "What the hell, use the bell." ....The Brain
Jeff Amdur
> If it were me I'd have featured the entire show around it. As it was, it
> really seemed to play second fiddle to everything else. It's a storyline that
> should really be the focus of the entire fed. As it is, it's just an amusing
> side note leading up to the next PPV.
I'm hoping beyond hope that this is not the case. I always thought
McMahon blew it a few years back when he didn't play Flair vs. Hogan for
everything it could have been. He just turned Flair into more cannon
fodder for Pukester, although eventually, with HH out of the title picture
for a while, Flair was given his due.
Even the appearance of an interpromotional feud played out inside the ring
would be welcome. This always generates mega-heat, and I'm going back to
early 1964. That year was when Fred Blassie arrived in the WWWF, wearing
his "Pacific Coast" world championship belt. At that time, we all knew
from the "Wrestling World" rankings (They were the only mag at that time
that divided up the ratings into the different federations: (NWA, WWWF,
AWA, WWA) that Blassie was indeed still listed as the WWA champion (it
took several months for the ratings to be updated). The anticipation of
belt-vs-belt made it the most interesting Sammartino series up to that
time. A more recent example was the late 80's NWA battle of the Midnight
Expresses. Dennis Condrey and Randy Rose certainly weren't in the same
class as Bobby Eaton and Stan Lane, but there were enough poeple around to
know that (a) Condrey and Rose were wrestling in other federations as the
Midnight Express, managed by Paul E; and (b) Condrey and Rose had indeed
been part of the Midnight Express long before Eaton and Lane entered the
picture. We all knew it was a work; but the illusion of an
interpromotional feud kept our interest.
> we'll be
> stuck with this angle being only a minor part of WCW's entire program when it
> should be at the forefront and dominant. THAT's what WWF fans mean when they
> add the little "disclaimers" like you mention.
And that, in a nutshell, is where WCW has always missed the boat. They
have IMHO the superior wrestlers for the most part (especially now that
Hogan at least temporarily is out of the picture) but don't really know
what to do with them.
Contrast that to how Paul E. was able to put over relatively
limited-talent wrestlers like Sandman. I droll when I think of what Paul
E. could do if he had WCW's talent roster. Then again, he had a lot of
WCW's talent roster last year at this time <sigh>.
> The whole idea of the angle is that WCW has been invaded by the WWF. The
> obvios outcome is that Ramon and whoever (if anyone) joins him will get their
> faces shoved in the dirt. This is fine with me, but they could at least
do the
> interesting thing and make it seem like a real invasion - a real war -
instead
> of just another midcard attraction.
I think the best angle would be that at first these guys have their
troubles, and later they work their way up to being accepted by the "big
boys". It would make no sense to have them made perpetual jobbers. I
don't think even Turner/Bischoff would pay these megabucks to make these
guys the equivalent of Dick Slater or Brad Armstrong (and that's no dig at
either Slater or Armstrong--they just aren't main-eventers any more).
> [DiBiase輝age議orp scenario deleted]
It's time WCW hired Slobberknocker Petrie to be its head booker
>
> The possibilities are endless... unfortuantely there's been nothing from WCW
> recently to suggest they'll do more than scratch the surface.
And that, sadly enough, is probably *the* bottom line. :-(
--
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Mike Naimark
sg...@itg.ti.com (jeff corder) wrote:
>In article <4odq4q$v...@bill.gnatnet.net>, jimm...@gnatnet.net says...
>>
>>No way is this Vinny Mac's idea, he doesnt even like to acknowledge that
>>other wrestling organizations exsist outside of his World Whining
>>Federation. Bischoff has just came up with a great angle to promote the
>>place where the Big Boys play.
>If Bischoff plays it right this could be
>>one of the best angles ever.
>>
>That's a big 'IF', James. If Bischoff doesn't make Hall out to be one BAD
>S.O.B. then Vinnie Mc will have lost nothing. For once, maybe Bischoff
>will do a WWF newcomer (and WCW) right by coming up with a good angle.
For ONCE? Who did you have in mind? Most of the recent WWF imports
have done quite well in WCW, certainly better than ex-WCW wrestlers
like Steve Austin, and HHH. Lex Lugar now holds 2 title straps and
didn't need to grope the genetalia of other wrestlers (at least not in
the ring).
MN
JFinne7403
A happy medium for everybody would be to have the wildest screw job
victories for Hall and Nash over the semi-final guys, and maybe even Sting
too (not like he's been under-used in the last few years). This puts Hall
and Nash over, while giving Eric the ammo to rip the WWF for having former
wrestlers who can't win fair and square.
Plus, if Dibiase comes in, there are all kinds of payoffs that are
possible. Referees, wrestlers, etc. Of course, WCW hasn't displayed much
long term thought, so they'll probably screw things up somehow. And HH
can't be far behind.
Gil Rosin
: It's a work ... and a well-done one!!! Bischoff is "cashing in" on the mini-skits that VinnieMac created a couple months ago
: With all of the friction between the WWF and WCW, it's unlikely that they'd kiss and make up without some publicity. But,
: I've gotta give Eric a thumbs-up ... he's using VinnieMac's tactics against him and it may become a goldmine for him.
Uh, please never run a company! :). I don't know how you would run a company,
but if I ran WCW, I wouldn't let a WWF star anywhere near the building. How do
you call giving him interview time a "good work". Its a piece of shit. Now if
they had a bunch of cops storm the ring and tackle him it might be different.
Also, of course you need him to come out of the stands. Perhaps they should have
had the match he interrupted with a masked wrestler, have the masked guy do a
razors edge, pull the mask off and then start the speach.
But to just have him walk out? I guess that says something about WCW security.
On the next Nitro, watch for Hulk Hogan being assassinated. Thats me with the
gun in the front row. No problem with WCW security.
Basically, yes it IS a work, and yes it COULD be a good one, but no it didn't
start out as one.
Trevor Barrie
je...@clark.net (Jeff Amdur) wrote:
>I'm hoping beyond hope that this is not the case. I always thought
>McMahon blew it a few years back when he didn't play Flair vs. Hogan for
>everything it could have been. He just turned Flair into more cannon
>fodder for Pukester, although eventually, with HH out of the title picture
>for a while, Flair was given his due.
"Cannon fodder"? How so? Their house show matches were divided pretty
much evenly between the two, and at the Rumble Flair beat not only
Hogan but everybody else in the WWF. I really don't see how much more
respect they could have shown Flair; he was certainly booked to look
stronger than he did during the four horsemen eras.
(And it was always fun pointing out to marks how Hogan "retired" when
Flair was dominating the WWF, and only returned after Flair was gone.
Hogan was obviously running scared. Shame Bischoff had to ruin it for
me.:()
Dean&Angie
tba...@cycor.ca (Trevor Barrie) wrote:
>je...@clark.net (Jeff Amdur) wrote:
>
>>I'm hoping beyond hope that this is not the case. I always thought
>>McMahon blew it a few years back when he didn't play Flair vs. Hogan for
>>everything it could have been. He just turned Flair into more cannon
>>fodder for Pukester, although eventually, with HH out of the title picture
>>for a while, Flair was given his due.
>
>"Cannon fodder"? How so? Their house show matches were divided pretty
>much evenly between the two, and at the Rumble Flair beat not only
>Hogan but everybody else in the WWF. I really don't see how much more
>respect they could have shown Flair; he was certainly booked to look
>stronger than he did during the four horsemen eras.
>
Oh man! I got the match where he wins the belt off Savage on WWF
Primetime on a tape somewhere amidst my compilations. Now that's how you
get a heel over big. Maybe Vince should watch that match again and try
it with Vader.
Dean Rasmussen
Guy Misener
Dave Harvey <dha...@eagle.wbm.ca> wrote:
> There..that didn't hurt. :)
Wait for it.
Hehehehehehee >:)
S.
Guy Misener
"Eric J. Brenner" <er...@bright.net> wrote:
>Jeff Satterfield wrote:
>>
>> I think he may actually be doing this for the WWF. Why would he have interrupted the
>> debut of Mike "Mauler" Enos(Thank you Razor!). But was I the only one that heard Eric
>> say "Now they've stepped over the line!"? Or was it "Now they've gone to far!"?
>> Anyway, I think Razor was challenging the WCW, he was in complete Razor character! Oh
>> well, I hope Eric is enjoying his table! :)
> I kinda thought this also, ESPECIALLY when he flicked the
>toothpick. Did he do this when he was the Diamond Studd? Maybe Razor
>just signed for 1 year. That could be a possibility? I hope he
>destroys all of WCW's top wrestlers, except maybe the Giant. That would
>be GREAT if it really turned out that Hall was REALLY still with Titan
>sports. I dunno, just my thoughts. I hate to see him become a JTTS.
>Also, did anyone notice he basically had the same outfit, just in blue
>jeans?
On RAW this past Monday (June 3), Vince said that there were 2 EX-WWF
stars "POSING" as WWF Stars....meaning, I believe, Razor and Diesel.
Well, if BDC and BGRR are in the WCW, why is BGRR insulting Eric
Bishoff...not that I mind...>:)...but it's gone over my head now....
Any help would be appriciated!
Sharron.
Gmis...@idirect.com
GMcnamee
In article <Edina1996Jun5...@news3.compulink.com>,
gmis...@idirect.com (Guy Misener) writes:
>Well, if BDC and BGRR are in the WCW, why is BGRR insulting Eric
>Bishoff...not that I mind...>:)...but it's gone over my head now....
>Any help would be appriciated!
What Bischoff is doing is having BGRR and BDC "act" like they're still
WWF stars and are "invading" WCW. In the end, naturally, the "WWF Stars"
will lose to the WCW wrestlers, proving, in Bischoff's tiny brain, anyway,
that WCW is superior to the WWF. Fact is, BDC and BGRR are under contract
with WCW. They're not affiliated with the WWF anymore, but that's what
Eric wants everyone to believe.
///Greg//
Peter A. Barta
I think this could be as close to brilliant as pro-wrestling will ever
become. WCW paints the WWF as challenging their own wrestlers and then has
those wrestlers beaten by his own men. In the eyes of many younger fans,
this is proof of WCW's superiority.
Peter A. Barta
pab...@is2.nyu.edu
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to get all I deserve and written on the subway walls"
to give all that I can, - Simon and Garfunkel
and to love a young woman
that I don't understand..."
- Suzanne Vega
Dolemite
pab...@is2.nyu.edu (Peter A. Barta) wrote:
>I think this could be as close to brilliant as pro-wrestling will ever
>become. WCW paints the WWF as challenging their own wrestlers and then has
>those wrestlers beaten by his own men. In the eyes of many younger fans,
>this is proof of WCW's superiority.
>
One would think that this would be the case, but then what's there to do
when this angle plays out? If Hall, Nash, Jarrett, whoever else, is
jobbed to oblivion upon their arrival, what good will it do 6 months from
now (actually, since it's WCW they'll probably be running the same
angle). If Nash and Hall were signed for 3 years, then they would be
relegated to beyond JTTS status, to Renegade Status. And I'm sure
Bischoff isn't paying Nash $700,000 per year to job for 3 months and sit
around for 2+ years. Both Hall and Nash can both generate decent heat
and can carry pretty good feuds. It would be a shame to waste them as
soon as they got to WCW, with the only option in the future being
bringing back Diamond Studd and Vinnie Vegas.