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>My Dreamcast is in Software Etc... I traded it in for $150 on my Playstation 2.
>
>Todd Pettengil
>
Ouch, bad decision.
ME
bet on the longevity of the machine being as great as the Playstation. After 5
years, the Playstation is still a very popular machine with great games, all of
which can be played on the PS2. Add the fact that today's PSX games look much
better than 1995 games, I'd take the odds on similar success for the PS2.
nmed
>Why? Dreamcast is the second coming of the Saturn. PS2 is just as powerful and I'd
>bet on the longevity of the machine being as great as the Playstation. After 5
>years, the Playstation is still a very popular machine with great games, all of
>which can be played on the PS2. Add the fact that today's PSX games look much
>better than 1995 games, I'd take the odds on similar success for the PS2.
>
Maybe in the long run, the ps2 will be a better investment. Right
now, all the games coming out for it look like this with the possible
exception of the EA Sports games. Meanwhile, the Dreamcast has a lot
of great games not to mention the upcoming online games.
Don't get me wrong, I'm planning on buying a ps2 but I wouldn't trade
my Dreamcast in towards it.
Todd P w Triumph the Dog
I'm an RPG fanatic. I have a stack of RPGs about a foot tall for the
Playstation (which I want to hold on to), and I expect the same RPG output from
the PS2. Plus, I get the DVD player I've been wanting in one fell swoop.
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hyu-goh bhos
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> Why? Dreamcast is the second coming of the Saturn.
nope, it definitely isn't that. in fact, other than the fact that both are sega
systems, the two consoles, in terms of marketing, appeal, and overall success,
are not similar at all.
> PS2 is just as powerful and I'd
> bet on the longevity of the machine being as great as the Playstation. After
5
> years, the Playstation is still a very popular machine with great games, all
of
> which can be played on the PS2. Add the fact that today's PSX games look much
> better than 1995 games, I'd take the odds on similar success for the PS2.
well, as for longevity, there will be people like you in the near future crowing
about how the next-generation microsoft or nintendo system will mean the death
of the PS2. so what? i say system advocacy like that is stupid. it's about
the games and not the image, or company loyalty, right? well, right now, the
dreamcast has better games than any system currently in release, including the
PS2 in japan. judging from the lineup of games for both consoles coming out of
E3, the dreamcast will have better games than any system in release (including
the PS2) for at least the next 6 months, and probably for the next year. after
that, who knows? the PS2 will have matured some by then, and we'll see what the
second generation games are like.
i imagine that the dreamcast will be to the PS2 what the n64 was to the original
playstation (even though the release timing is opposite) - a moderately
successful alternative with a decently large installed base, a good lineup of
developers and a good game library, but nowhere close to the sony unit in terms
of popularity or distribution. i don't really see anything wrong with that.
america loves moderately successful alternatives. just look at burger king, or
apple computer, or AMD, or WCW. maybe not WCW, they lost a lot of money. but
anyway, i don't see why you'd want to discourage someone from getting a
dreamcast on the basis that "it's just like the saturn!" and "the PS2 will be
more popular!". i once got tricked into going to see "armageddon" instead of
going to see the movie "pi" using similar logic.
nmed
Hey, that's cool. Whatever system has the games you want is the one
to buy.
Have you seen Grandia 2 on DC yet, though? It looks pretty nice.
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> Powerstone, baby.
hey, you should get power stone 2. it's insane.
ME
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> > Why? Dreamcast is the second coming of the Saturn.
>
> nope, it definitely isn't that. in fact, other than the fact that both are sega
> systems, the two consoles, in terms of marketing, appeal, and overall success,
> are not similar at all.
They are very similar. Check out the timing as well. The timing between the
Saturn, Playstation, and Nintendo 64 is very similar to the Dreamcast, PS2, and
Dolphin. It would be silly to ignore that. Throw in the fact that Sony won the
last battle between the three companies, and you have your historical reasons to
believe Sony will win again.
>
>
> > PS2 is just as powerful and I'd
> > bet on the longevity of the machine being as great as the Playstation. After
> 5
> > years, the Playstation is still a very popular machine with great games, all
> of
> > which can be played on the PS2. Add the fact that today's PSX games look much
> > better than 1995 games, I'd take the odds on similar success for the PS2.
>
> well, as for longevity, there will be people like you in the near future crowing
> about how the next-generation microsoft or nintendo system will mean the death
> of the PS2.
No, I won't as explained about. In the past 10 years, it has become obvious that
Nintendo markets different types of games than Sony and Sega. I expect that to
continue. Just as Sonic was a totally different species of franchise than Mario and
sports games were simply better on the Playstation than the N64, I expect these
types of differences to continue.
> so what? i say system advocacy like that is stupid. it's about
> the games and not the image, or company loyalty, right? well, right now, the
> dreamcast has better games than any system currently in release, including the
> PS2 in japan. judging from the lineup of games for both consoles coming out of
> E3, the dreamcast will have better games than any system in release (including
> the PS2) for at least the next 6 months, and probably for the next year. after
> that, who knows? the PS2 will have matured some by then, and we'll see what the
> second generation games are like.
First of all, many Playstation owners will get the PS2 simply because they enjoyed
their first one so much. It's not that much different than buying the next
installment of Final Fantasy or NBA Live to get an update. That's natural consumer
behavior. These same owners will like the fact that they can trade in their
Playstations for $60 at Babbages and still be able to play all their games. A PS2
gets kinda cheap with a Playstation and Dreamcast trade-in (I don't know if you can
do that by the way). Throw in the fact that Playstation games kept getting that
much better and you have more historical reasons to stick with Sony.
> i imagine that the dreamcast will be to the PS2 what the n64 was to the original
> playstation (even though the release timing is opposite) - a moderately
> successful alternative with a decently large installed base, a good lineup of
> developers and a good game library, but nowhere close to the sony unit in terms
> of popularity or distribution. i don't really see anything wrong with that.
> america loves moderately successful alternatives. just look at burger king, or
> apple computer, or AMD, or WCW. maybe not WCW, they lost a lot of money. but
> anyway, i don't see why you'd want to discourage someone from getting a
> dreamcast on the basis that "it's just like the saturn!" and "the PS2 will be
> more popular!". i once got tricked into going to see "armageddon" instead of
> going to see the movie "pi" using similar logic.
I've explained my take, but the Dreamcast looks very similar to the Saturn to me.
We'll see in a few years.
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>They are very similar.
The Saturn was a badly designed, unsupported system. The Dreamcast,
on the other hand, was built with the programmers in mind.
>Throw in the fact that Sony won the
>last battle between the three companies, and you have your historical reasons to
>believe Sony will win again.
>
Okay, because Atari was so dominant all those years ago, they'll
always be successful?
>First of all, many Playstation owners will get the PS2 simply because they enjoyed
>their first one so much. It's not that much different than buying the next
>installment of Final Fantasy or NBA Live to get an update. That's natural consumer
>behavior. These same owners will like the fact that they can trade in their
>Playstations for $60 at Babbages and still be able to play all their games. A PS2
>gets kinda cheap with a Playstation and Dreamcast trade-in (I don't know if you can
>do that by the way). Throw in the fact that Playstation games kept getting that
>much better and you have more historical reasons to stick with Sony.
>
That's what bugs the shit out of me. People are planning on buying a
ps2 simply because it's sony's next system. That's retarded. These
same people couldn't name you 3 games that look good for it.
Sony is just so damn cocky about how they're going to win the next war
simply because they're Sony. I guess the quallity of software doesn't
matter anymore. I'd like nothing more than to see the Dreamcast, a
technically inferior console, be the victor. Too bad it'll never
happen.
nmed
Did I miss something? When did power stone 2 come out?
Paul
(like if they got it up now, and it could work with most games) or there new
(err stolen) marketing idea (we will give you the saturn, if you use us as
your ISP for 2 years). Although the software for the PS2 has been weak in
japan, I would expect the US launch to have better software available, and
to break all of the records for a console launch. PS has a very good fan
base, the only thing I see in the way of PS2 is the fact that developers
will want to develop for the new Microsoft console, since it will be much,
much easier and cheaper to develop for. Software sells sytems, whoever has
the games that are the most fun/entertaining (online play is fun) is going
to win.
Paul
> That's what bugs the shit out of me. People are planning on buying a
> ps2 simply because it's sony's next system. That's retarded. These
> same people couldn't name you 3 games that look good for it.
Most of them seem to know one game they want...like they say, oh yeah I want
tekken tag tournament. Or, wow the screenshots for that new NBA game look
good. Or I want the next final fantasy. It's not too retarted, they just
think that sony was successful before, and it will be successful again.
> Sony is just so damn cocky about how they're going to win the next war
> simply because they're Sony. I guess the quallity of software doesn't
> matter anymore. I'd like nothing more than to see the Dreamcast, a
> technically inferior console, be the victor. Too bad it'll never
> happen.
There software quality is still pretty good. I played Tekken tag on a PS2
and it was nice. I heard Streetfighter EX was really weak though.
(gameplay wise)
I think dreamcast could have really won this thing had they had there online
play ready at launch. Even if it were only for the sports games, and a few
fighting games. An Online RPG at launch would have REALLY helped them.
Also, what are people who have Cable modems and a dreamcast spossed to do?
I cant get online with that thing unless I dial up, then I have to pay like
2$ an hour.
I could go through netzero, but that is alot of trouble. They should have
made a private gaming network, ala XBAND.
Rockboy
>
> They are very similar. Check out the timing as well. The timing between the
> Saturn, Playstation, and Nintendo 64 is very similar to the Dreamcast, PS2, and
> last battle between the three companies, and you have your historical reasons to
> believe Sony will win again.
All the history of the video game industry show us is that history means
nothing. People don't buy systems based on previous systems.
What happened to the overwhelming popularity of Atari? What happened to
the overwhelming popularity of Nintendo? What will happen to the
overwhelming popularity of Sony?
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hyu-goh bhos
> hyu-goh bhos wrote:
>
> > ME <imr...@yourewrong.com> wrote in message
> > news:395677CC...@yourewrong.com...
> > > Why? Dreamcast is the second coming of the Saturn.
> >
> > nope, it definitely isn't that. in fact, other than the fact that both are
sega
> > systems, the two consoles, in terms of marketing, appeal, and overall
success,
> > are not similar at all.
>
> They are very similar. Check out the timing as well. The timing between the
> Saturn, Playstation, and Nintendo 64 is very similar to the Dreamcast, PS2,
and
> Dolphin. It would be silly to ignore that. Throw in the fact that Sony won
the
> last battle between the three companies, and you have your historical reasons
to
> believe Sony will win again.
paying attention to the timing while ignoring context is what's "silly". the
saturn debuted with no advertising fanfare, remember? it was a "surprise
launch" that wasn't hyped or expected by video game magazines and store
retailers, and since no one really expected or knew about the system, and there
was no real effort by sega to advertise aggressively about it, no one paid
attention to it. the saturn was also hard to code for, and that undoubtedly
played a factor in the dismal third-party support the system had. yes, it's
true, the timing is very similar - the saturn debuted a few months before the
playstation, just like the dreamcast is debuting several months before the
playstation 2. but the poor marketing and executive decisions by sega in the
first place prohibited the saturn from establishing any sort of foothold in the
market. they sold very few systems. in the dreamcast's case, this is the
complete opposite. the system had a planned launch, with some industry
anticipation properly built beforehand. advertising for the system hasn't been
bad so far, and the second generation of sega ads is supposed to focus a bit
more on showing actual gameplay, which is good, since the dreamcast has a large
library of 'must-have' titles out now and forthcoming. the dreamcast has had no
problem establishing a foothold in america, where it has sold 2.8 million units
so far, and it hasn't even been out for a year. comparing that to the saturn,
which probably didn't even break 500,000 in one year, is outrageous. the
situations are in no way alike, despite the launch timing.
> > well, as for longevity, there will be people like you in the near future
crowing
> > about how the next-generation microsoft or nintendo system will mean the
death
> > of the PS2.
>
> No, I won't as explained about. In the past 10 years, it has become obvious
that
> Nintendo markets different types of games than Sony and Sega. I expect that
to
> continue. Just as Sonic was a totally different species of franchise than
Mario and
> sports games were simply better on the Playstation than the N64, I expect
these
> types of differences to continue.
what are you talking about? this was so vague that i have no idea what you are
talking about. what do you mean by "markets"? do you mean in-house games
created by nintendo are different from in-house games created by sony or sega?
because sony doesn't make games like sega and nintendo do, unless you count one
of their acquisitions that happens to devleop for the playstation as in-house.
or do you mean that games for sega systems are different from games on sony
systems and nintendo systems? because wouldn't that depend exclusively on the
developers for each specific system? what "differences" do you mean? yes,
mario is different than sonic, but do you expect all games to be alike, or at
least cut in similar molds? what point are you trying to get across?
> First of all, many Playstation owners will get the PS2 simply because they
enjoyed
> their first one so much. It's not that much different than buying the next
> installment of Final Fantasy or NBA Live to get an update. That's natural
consumer
> behavior.
ha ha. this is a really funny proposal. if that is "natural consumer
behavior," then why do so many sequels bomb at the box office? attractive games
are what move game consoles, not some perceived machinelike consumer loyalty
response.
> These same owners will like the fact that they can trade in their
> Playstations for $60 at Babbages and still be able to play all their games. A
PS2
> gets kinda cheap with a Playstation and Dreamcast trade-in (I don't know if
you can
> do that by the way). Throw in the fact that Playstation games kept getting
that
> much better and you have more historical reasons to stick with Sony.
yes, but the reason remains: *why* would any sane person trade in their
dreamcast, with so many great games out for it now and so many great games
coming out in the next year, for a playstation 2, which will only launch with a
few great games and will have less great games coming out in the next year?
where's the payoff? how is that attractive?
and as for playstation owners going with a playstation 2 based on the fact that
the games "kept getting that much better" - that's kinda like saying consumers
would buy another sony vcr because the movies "kept getting that much better" as
time went on. you can't be talking about sony in-house games, since those don't
exist, so you must be talking about the great third-party games and the
third-party developers that worked to improve them. and if you think consumers
appreciate good third-party support, then why would they ignore the dreamcast,
which not only has a respectable amount of good third-party developers signed
on, but also has several in-house teams of game developers that make quality
arcade, and dreamcast games?
> I've explained my take, but the Dreamcast looks very similar to the Saturn to
me.
> We'll see in a few years.
you don't have to wait a few years. as i've explained, the saturn was basically
already dead in the water at this comparative point of time, whereas the
dreamcast has sold almost 3 million systems in less than a year already. the
marketing approaches have been completely different, the third party support
situation is completely different, and the difference in the number and quality
of games released and in development is completely different. the only way the
dreamcast "looks very similar" to the saturn is the fact that they both came
from sega.
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> "hyu-goh bhos" <fpdf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
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> >Josh Scott <Slapn...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >> Powerstone, baby.
> >
> >hey, you should get power stone 2. it's insane.
>
> Did I miss something? When did power stone 2 come out?
it came out in japan a few months ago. you can get it from an import retailer
and play it even if you don't have a modchip by using either the free action
replay demo cdx thing, or buying a gameshark cdx. it's a great game, 4-player
with teams (or free-for-all), 6 new characters in addition to the originals, new
powerups and environments that are waaaaaay more interactive than the ones in
powerstone were.
nmed
>Also, what are people who have Cable modems and a dreamcast spossed to do?
They're coming out with an adapter...probably around the time all the
network games start coming out.
nmed
>it came out in japan a few months ago.
I was about to say...I work at a Software Etc. and I hadn't heard any
word of it being out here.
I don't know...I'm kinda short on cash and I'm sure it'll be out here
soon enough.
By the way, are you aware if it works through a VGA monitor or not?
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hyu-goh bhos
> "hyu-goh bhos" <hyu...@alienation.att.net> wrote:
>
> >it came out in japan a few months ago.
>
> I was about to say...I work at a Software Etc. and I hadn't heard any
> word of it being out here.
i think it's being delayed in the states because they're adding online play to
it. i could be wrong about that, though.
> By the way, are you aware if it works through a VGA monitor or not?
yes, it does work through a vga monitor.
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> What's in your Dreamcast?
I don't have a Dreamcast. The last video game I played was *SimpleTetris*
on this Macintosh.
Mike
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> > Powerstone, baby.
>
> hey, you should get power stone 2. it's insane.
I heard about that. I'll wait til it's out in the US. Powerstone is a
great game...
hyu-goh bhos
that's a good idea since it might come with online play when it's released here.
it's a really good game, and the best part is that powerstone 2 plays so
differently than the first one that i still play both, which is great.
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>
Right now nothing but I'm waiting week or 2 for world series 2k1 to come
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> > What's in your Dreamcast?
Marvel vs. Capcom. Next week, it'll be Marvel vs. Capcom 2, and a few
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>> What's
in your Dreamcast?
>
game I played was *SimpleTetris*
>on this Macintosh.
>
Lol!...
Dude,where have you been???
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