Monday Night Raw - Quit with the DGenX crap!
noel
This whole DGeneration X thing is pretty unentertaining. When I heard
Michaels say something like he's going to bring the WWF down, that
obviously made this whole thing an NWO ripoff. WWF has always been
more original and cutting edge then WCW which makes it sad that they
have to rip that unoriginal organization off.
And what the hell is Rick Rude doing in this group? He's as old as
original sin but makes himself out to me Helmsley's and Michaels age.
The whole idea sucks, would have worked if Hall and Nash had stayed
with WWF but they didn't, so drop it!
SFG98
DITTO!
I watch both programs on Monday night and am usually entertained by both, but
last nights RAW was just not there.
WHY? De-Generation X.
Like you said "Michaels say something like he's going to bring the WWF down"
he meant it. Did you hear/see when he told McMahon and Ross to suck his dick?
If that isn't enough, he drops his pants later in the show. This is not the
entertainment that I tuned it to watch.
WWF may be struggling, but how can you feel any thing but contempt for them
when they program this kind of nonsense.
David
DarkRivers
David wrote:
>WWF may be struggling
They aren't struggling in the least. Check their P & L statements.
>but how can you feel any thing but contempt for them
> when they program this kind of nonsense.
I can feel a lot of things besides contempt. Namely, humor, shock, and
amazement at the balls they show (so to speak) in their programming. They get
people talking about it... they offend people... and they get us tuning in
next week to see what they could possibly do to top it.
I would much rather see HHH and HBK crotch-chopping Chyna after punking someone
than see some whiny-ass billionaire shortstop hock loogies and grab his own
nuts while waiting 57 minutes in the on-deck circle. It's all entertainment.
If it disgusts or bores you... don't watch.
Mattie C.
>This whole DGeneration X thing is pretty unentertaining. When I heard
>Michaels say something like he's going to bring the WWF down, that
>obviously made this whole thing an NWO ripoff. WWF has always been
>more original and cutting edge then WCW which makes it sad that they
>have to rip that unoriginal organization off.
>
the WCW?
I agree w/you about the unoriginal organization part. ;o)
>And what the hell is Rick Rude doing in this group? He's as old as
>original sin but makes himself out to me Helmsley's and Michaels age.
>
I don't see it like that. He always seems vaguely disgusted and amused
despite himself by the antics being performed before him. He's like the
Uncle, or something. And just for the record, "old" or not, Rick Rude
still looks DAMN good. The man is FINE. =o}...
>The whole idea sucks, would have worked if Hall and Nash had stayed
>with WWF but they didn't, so drop it!
>
Hall & Nash are about as amusing as a waxed floor in the orthopedics ward.
I actually *like* deGen X! I think it's pretty funny stuff. Didn't you
ever act out, or want to act out, like that, when you were a teenager?
It's Beavis & Butthead! I can't wait to see what they're going to do next,
each week. I've never, ever been a fan of HHH or the Boy Toy, so go
figure.
I mean, how do you top mooning your boss on international TV? The Full
Monty? Cool! Heh heh...heh heh...
Mattie C.
Conn MacKintosh
Ripclawe wrote:
> >From: darkr...@aol.com (DarkRivers)
>
> >David wrote:
> >>WWF may be struggling
> >
> >They aren't struggling in the least. Check their P & L statements.
>
>
> where can I check it out?
You can't. Titan Sports is a privately held company, and therefore does
not publish P&Ls.
DarkRivers was bullshitting.
-- Conn (co...@wctc.net)
History shows again and again,
how nature points out the folly of man.
DarkRivers
Conn wrote:
>You can't. Titan Sports is a privately held company, and therefore does
>not publish P&Ls.
>
>DarkRivers was bullshitting.
No.... I wasn't. Their financial statements aren't published, but they do
exist. Titan makes a profit. If they didn't, the company would have been
sold by now. Vince doesn't have the financial backing of a huge conglomerate
to absorb big losses.
My point was this... While ratings are good for chest-puffing and bragging, the
bottom line is the "bottom line." I'd much rather own a company with $50
million in revenues and $40 million in expenses than one with $100 million in
revenues and $110 million in expenses.
Saying that the WWF is struggling is a bit like saying "Frasier" is struggling
because "Seinfeld" beats it in the ratings each week.
I want both to do well, because I enjoy both. But neither is struggling one bit.
UnderCover Elephant
The one finger typer no...@niagara.com (noel) tip-tapped the following
epistle in rec.sport.pro-wrestling:
>This whole DGeneration X thing is pretty unentertaining. When I heard
>Michaels say something like he's going to bring the WWF down, that
>obviously made this whole thing an NWO ripoff. WWF has always been
>more original and cutting edge then WCW which makes it sad that they
>have to rip that unoriginal organization off.
>
>And what the hell is Rick Rude doing in this group? He's as old as
>original sin but makes himself out to me Helmsley's and Michaels age.
>
>The whole idea sucks, would have worked if Hall and Nash had stayed
>with WWF but they didn't, so drop it!
I agree with you, however it seems pretty popular so I doubt they will
drop it, they will simply push it more.
Brian Pillman 1962-1997
RIP Brian, thanks for some great memories.
"I respect you, Mr Bookerman"
UnderCover Elephant
The one finger typer tbru...@aol.com (Tbrutis1) tip-tapped the
following epistle in rec.sport.pro-wrestling:
>In article <3461162a...@news.demon.co.uk>, r...@bluenoze.demon.co.uk
>(UnderCover Elephant) writes:
>
>>However it seems pretty popular so I doubt they will drop it, they will
>simply push it more.
>Pretty popular?
Yes
> With who?
Apparently the ratings go up when they are on.
> Sure as hell not with REAL wrestling fans.
Personally I do not like it, but that is just me, some people do.
> Are
>there any of us left? I would like to know WHY this perverted garbage is
>pushed to begin with? Doesn't the WWF honchos realize that there are still
>some children who watch this?
The WWF has always been a federation to appeal to the pre-teens
anyway, which makes it even more surprising.
> I understand that they want the
>more"Realistic" & "Hardcore" approach to sell more tickets, but is this
>really necessary? If anyone can show me where this mindless
>crotch crap is necessary, I will listen to what they have to say. It will
>Blow Up in the WWF's face if they are not careful
Agreed, but as it is popular then it will be pushed.
>
>tbru...@aol.com
>That's because the #1 Fan of the AA Eastern League Binghamton Mets said so
don voltaire alip
after all of this hype after the last year, they finally signed
Sting/Hogan. There are two scenarios that i would especially like to see
happen: I know that it won't, but i think that if it did, it would bring
back more of a renewed interest in the whole situation. because,
frankly, i don't think that fans really give a rat's ass about the outcome.
Scenario 1:
sting comes in the ring, bat in hand. the match starts and sting takes
off the long coat, and he has a huge gut, you know, one year away from
wrestling can do that to you. He looks so out of shape that even the
commentator's make note of it, time and time again. this was inspired
because of "the great white hype". hogan starts whippings his ass and
makes sting look like his bitch. the whole time sting is jobbing and
selling the moves poorly. finally hogan whips him in to the turnbuckle,
and gives sting the scorpion splash. sting collapses in the center of
the ring, and hogan applies the scorpion deathlock. sting taps out, and
hogan retains the belt cleanly. after this, on the next two months of
nitro, hogan and the nWo repeatedly buy airtime making fun of sting's
inability to wrestle and his current sloppy physical condition. we
wouldn't see a rematch until next starrcade.
scenario 2:
hogan and the crew come in to the ring in their normal fanfare and shit
being thrown in the ring style. there is a long pause, and even the
commentators make note that "where is sting?" hogan grabs the mic and
starts saying about how big of a coward sting is, and the crowd starts
booing. in fact, the crowsd starts to buy more drinks and popcorn to
throw into the ring because they've already disposed of their first round
of refreshments in the ring when the nWo first came out. the crowd
becomes especially rowdy because, what a surprise, another lame WCW
pay-per-view. but here's where they turn it around. all of a sudden,
old-school Sting's music blares from the speakers, and the old-school
sting decked out in his old tights, old face paint, without bat, dingy
coat, and long hair. plus, he's got the bleach-blond flat-top again,
too. he runs out to the ring flanked by his boys, luger, steiners, ddp,
flair, the giant, misterio, and any other random WCW good-guy. the nWo
is stunned, hogan get pummeled by sting in the ring, and a
brawl/lumberjack match takes place outside. this way, sting can beat
hogan cleanly. sting does his old moves, scorpion splash, scorpion
deathlock (hogan does not tap out), and finally gives hogan the scorpion
death drop on top of the World belt. sting wins, 1-2-3.
i know this will never happen, but let me what you guys think about these
two scenarios. is it just me, or doesn't anybody else want to see either
of these happen? feel free to make up your own storylines or expand on
what i've got here.
Motie2
Dear God,
I know I promised a few years back that if I could live to see Flair (WCW)
fight Hogan (WWF) I'd be a happy rasslin' fan and never ask for anything
again. Well, I got to see that match at Madison Sq. Garden. But....
Could I ask one more favor? Please? Have Sting squash Hogan on Dec. 28th, OK?
Thanks,
Gordy
Liquorhead
How about this scenario..
First of all, if you just take the raw physical power of the two,
you've got to admit that Hogan beating Sting without any
tricks for cheating is a tough sell. Something glamorous has
to happen to make this fight something special.
I also think that the Hollywood Hogan angle is getting
extremely stale, so it might be a chance to cause a major
evolution for both characters.
How about this...Hogan comes out with the usual Jimi
Hendrix pomp and circumstance. All NWO are surrounding
him during his entrance. Sting comes out through the door,
just like any other wrestler, with no bat. He takes off his
leather jacket, and throws it into the crowd, ready for action
as he hops in to the ring.
Hogan is fighting for his life and gives you a great performance,
with Sting selling his moves very well. You can fill in the blanks
here with all your favorite moves. Sting's youth, and skill
end up overpowering the 42 year old Hogan and take him down
good, and honestly. After the match, Sting is declared the winner,
and the NWO rush the ring.
Sting gets ready to punk them all out, but then the NWO
attack Hogan in a massive gangpile. Sting stands there,
confused, and he sees Hogan getting the living crap beat
out of him. After about a minute, Sting decides the humane
thing to do is help out Hogan and starts to help out. But
his weariness/injuries from the match are showing and
Nash ends up brutalizing Sting.
The Giant then runs into the ring with DDP, Luger,
Benoit, Mongo, and The Harlem Heat for a huge ass
battle royal. NWO goes flying out of the ring and as
Sting and Hogan are recovering, the stand up together
look each other in the eyes while Bischoff is standing
outside of the ring, totally freaking out with the microphone
telling Hogan he is a lower, that he's through.
Hogan and Sting look at each other some more then
nod their heads and beat the crap out of Bischoff, and
break both his legs. Leaving him wheelchair bound for
the next month or so on NITRO.
Well...I can dream, can't I?
-Robert
akaxlee
In <Pine.SOL.3.91.971103...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> don
voltaire alip <al...@students.uiuc.edu> writes:
>
>
>after all of this hype after the last year, they finally signed
>Sting/Hogan. There are two scenarios that i would especially like to
see
>happen: I know that it won't, but i think that if it did, it would
bring
>back more of a renewed interest in the whole situation. because,
>frankly, i don't think that fans really give a rat's ass about the
outcome.
>
deserve to be in the ring with him...instead of working his lazy ass up
the ladder, he used his popularity and the fans to get a title shot.
You must admit guys like DDP, Giant and Luger deserve a title shot
before Sting does.
Furthermore, I don't think this match will live up to the hype. WCW is
full of crap. For example, Schavione stated last week that this is the
biggest news and will be the greatest match in history. Everyone knows
that is bullshit. Like this is bigger than Hogan/Andre and
Hogan/Warrior, or even Hogan/Macho in the past. And who gives a rats
ass if Sting does win...big fucking deal. Everyone has been beating up
on Hogan, kicking out of his legdrop, so what's the big deal if Sting
can? Only difference is that Sting will be keeping the title for a
longer period of time. The least WCW could have done was the make
Hogan back up his words, and be a powerful, undefeated NWO champ so
that if Sting does beat him, it might mean something. To me, Sting
beating Hogan right now doesn't prove shit.
If I were WCW, I dont know if I want Hogan back to being the "immortal"
one of "Hulkamania", even if he loses the belt, well, not right away.
That shit got so damn boring, and I think many of you would agree that
without the Hogan heel angle, the NWO loses it's aura. People will
start losing interest in the NWO, which is what is happening right now.
And I think the NWO has almost become too popular to let go.
One outcome I would like is Hogan keeping the title this time around,
and Sting getting another shot at Superbrawl ( for winning WW3), and
beating him there. Even though Hogan keeps the title after Starrade,
maybe Hall and Nash will start losing their trust and belief in Hogan.
And when Hogan finally loses the belt at Superbrawl, then they get fed
up and kick him out.