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(Poll) If you could choose any 20 wrestlers to start a promotion

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Ryan ONeill

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If you could just any twenty wrestlers, just twenty, to start a promotion,
from anywhere in the world, over any time period, who would you have?

Here's my roster.

1. Bret Hart

When Hart was at his best he could have a good match with pretty much
anybody, he's good on the microphone and could work a good angle in my
promotion. He's one of the few great technical wrestlers who could speak
English.

2. Chris Jericho

I'd give him the mic often and let him be more spontaneous and original than
he is in the WWF. He could have great matches with a number of opponents on
this roster as I feel that when he is put in with a good worker he always
wrestles far better than when he's in with a lesser worker. Along with
Bret, a top name mid carder at least.

3. Chris Benoit

Obviously. The best worker in the WWF at the moment, amongst the best in
the world, he has the intensity and the general wrestling ability to really
get over on the strength of ring work alone. Which is lucky, because he
wouldn't get all the much mic time with me.

4. Mick Foley

At his best, Foley was totally the man. He'd be able to put on really
hardcore/extreme matches, not the cookie sheet crap we see on TV these days,
and work great matches with a number of opponents. In time, I'd work him
into gimmick matches like Stairway To Hell and, of course, Hell In A Cell.
He's kinda lost the zing from his fastball now though, obviously, but I'm
talking about Foley at his best.

5. Jeff Hardy

Could go on to be the best American worker in a hell of a long time. Think
of all the great matches he could have with opponents on this list, plus I
believe he could be taught to work the mic in which case he really would be
the new HBK.

6. Rey Misterio Jr.

Another guy who ranks amongst the worlds best. He could have a string of
top quality matches with pretty much anybody on this list. A must have.

7. Great Sasuke

No need to explain this choice. American wrestling marks don't know what
they are missing with guys like Great Sasuke. If I were to run a King Of
The Ring style Pay Per View, Great Sasuke could carry any opponent on this
list to a number of great **** matches on the way to the final match. A
true genious.

8. Rob Van Dam

I think RVD is underrated. His matches with people like Jerry Lynn and Sabu
stick in my mind, he is incredibly quick and he bumps well. Watch a
RVD/Lynn match and you can see how speedy and realistic the reversals and
counters are between the two. If ECW went under I'd like to see RVD in the
WWF to take on Benoit, Jeff Hardy etc.

9. Super Crazy

I'm sure when this guys contract runs up Jim Ross will come knocking on his
door. One of the few great wrestlers ECW has, if they lost him and RVD who
would they have? Crazy/Jeff Hardy would be a sight to behold, especially in
a cage.

10. Eddy Guererro

Charisma and wrestling ability. At his best, capable of *****.

11. Juventud Guererra

Watch him take on Guererro/Misterio Jr. and tell me you wouldn't want to see
that again. Capable of consistent **** bouts.

12. Dean Malenko

The last of the psychological greats. He is underutilised by Vince McMahon
but in my promotion he'd be given the chance to fulfill his **** potential.

13. Jushin Liger

A truly exceptional wrestler. Put him in the ring with Benoit and watch
genious at work. Another must have.

14. Shawn Michaels

I'd make him my number one guy simply because he's so good on the mic and
can work as well as many of these wrestlers. Michaels/Benoit or
Michaels/Liger would rock.

15. Sabu

Miles better than people like Taz, who he carried in their ECW encounters.
Sabu/Jeff Hardy would be ***** unless they decided to be totally below their
best.

16. Too Cold Scorpio

I like the guy as a worker, what can I say. He deserves a spot here
although I wouldn't see him advancing very far on up the ladder.

17. Terry Funk

Hardcore icon, in his early years quite athletic and a solid worker. I'd
have him simply for more Sabu/Funk or Foley/Funk matches.

18. Matt Hardy

He doesn't get as extreme as his brother Jeff but some people think he's a
better worker. i don't but he deserves his spot.

19. Mitsuharu Misawa

An excellent wrestler who could take everybody on this roster to an
exceptional match.

20. Psicosis

How gay are WCW to let the guy go? He may not be the best but he could be
"carried" by better workers to potentially ***** matches.

So how would I book just one card in this promotion? I'm almost spoilt for
choice, but here we go:

Matt Hardy versus Too Cold Scorpio (predicted ***)
Mick Foley versus Terry Funk (tables and ladders, predicted ****)
Super Crazy versus Jeff Hardy (ladders, predicted *****)
Eddy Guererro versus Juventud Guererra (****)
Mitsuharu Misawa versus Chris Benoit (*****)
Sabu versus Chris Jericho (****)
Psicosis versus Jushin Liger (*****)
Dean Malenko versus Rob Van Dam (****1/2)
Rey Misterio Jr versus Great Sasuke (*****)
Shawn Michaels versus Bret Hart (***)

I'd buy that pay per view, don't know about you :)

David E. Powell

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1) Ric Flair
2) Chris Benoit
3) Chris Jericho
4) Hollywood Hogan
5) Randy Savage
6) Kurt Angle
7) Vampiro
8) Jeff Hardy
9) Matt Hardy
10) Meng/Haku
11) Shannon Helms
12) Shane Moore
13) Yoshihiro Tajiri
14) Vader
15) Mae Young
16) Moolah
17) Jacqueline
18) Ivory
19) Madusa
20) Mona

W/O a Ladies Division:

15) Duggan (Poss as a "POW/MIA" Patriot Biker.)
16) Dean Malenko
17) DDP (W. Kim, natch.)
18) Lex Luger (W. Liz, natch, prolly as Flair's allies.)
19) Eddy Guerrero
20) Sgt. Slaughter

Later additions, if possible:

Edge/Christian
Sting
Dusty Rhodes
Rock

James Blue

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what the hell, i'll unlurk for this one

1. Triple H
2. Rock
3. Jericho
4. Benoit
5. Guerrero
6. Austin
7. Angle
8. Edge
9. Christian
10. Jeff Hardy
11. Matt Hardy
12. Scott Hall
13. Foley
14. Michaels
15. Raven
16. Scott Steiner
17. Van Dam
18. Tazz
19. Hennig
20. Goldberg

KikkoBoy01

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Why is HBK vs. Bret *** only? Please... 4 at LEAST.

Looks like someone is using TNM... hahaha

KikkoBoy01

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1. Hulk Hogan
2. Randy Savage
3. Bret Hart
4. HBK
5. Roddy Piper
6. Mr. Perfect
7. Ted DiBiase
8. Dragon Kid
9. Super Dragon
10. HAYABUSA
11. Juvy
12. TAKA
13. Men's Teioh
14. Ric Flair
15. Ricky Steamboat
16. The Undertaker
17. Shane Helms
18. Marty Jannetty
19. Zorro
20. Jimmy Snuka

Vince's Genetic Jackhammer

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1. Eric Bischoff (for his leadership and contract expertise)
2. Konnan (for the killer mic work)
3. Sid (for the workrate freaks)
4. Hulk Hogan (the American hero)
5. La Parka (for the comedy)
6. Scott Hall (for the booze and middle-aged whores)
7. Tank Abbott (for the shootfighting & his physique)
8. Who (for RSPW)
9. Madusa (for her huge fake tits)
10. Ric Flair (for his huge real tits)

I don't need anymore...


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Vince's Genetic Jackhammer


Adam Short

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1. Jericho
2. HHH
3. Guerrero
4. The Rock
5. Jeff Hardy
6. Matt Hardy
7. Benoit
8. Hart
9. Malenko
10. Angle
11. Edge
12. Christian
13. Foley
14. Austin
15. Flair
16. Crash Holly
17. Taka
18. Holly
19. Kanyon
20. Booker T.


I don't have good enough mic skills for a sig.

DJ MaNiAk

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1. Vampiro (I'd make him my top star and keep him out of the stupid makeup
themed feuds)

2. Dustin Rhodes (Not as Goldust, Seven, Platinum, or any other stupid
gimmicks, just as the technical/hardcore wrestler he has portrayed on occassion
in the past)

3. Rey Mysterio Jr.

4. Jeff Hardy

5. Psichosis

6. La Parka

7. Jushin Thunder Liger

8. Kane (also sans silly gimmicks)

9. Raven

10. Scott 'Bam Bam' Bigelow (As my super-heel)

11. Hardcore Hak/Sandman

12. Paul Wight/Giant/Big Show

13. Sean Waltman/Syxx/X-Pac

14. Perry Saturn

15. Arn Anderson

16. Tank Abbott

17. Royce Gracie (Not really a wrestler, but I'd have to start off with a
UFC-style Gracie/Abbott feud and eventually build it up to a PPV)

18. Too Cold Scorpio

19. Viscera

20. Ron Simmons

DJ MaNiAk

"If you've never seen an elephant ski, then you've never been on acid."

Stuart

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1. Mitsuharu Misawa (NOAH)
2. Toshiaki Kawada (AJPW)
3. Kenta Kobashi (NOAH)
4. Chris Benoit (WWF)
5. Triple H (WWF)
6. Super Delfin (Osaka Pro)
7. Eddy Guerrero (WWF)
8. Yoshihiro Tajiri (ECW)
9. Jerry Lynn (ECW)
10. CIMA (Toryumon)
11. Judo Suwa (Toryumon)
12. Dragon Kid (Toryumon)
13. Magnum Tokyo (Toryumon)
14. Great Sasuke (Michinoku Pro)
15. Shinjiro Otani (NJPW)
16. Jushin Liger (NJPW)
17. Koji Kanemoto (NJPW)
18. Juventud Guerrera (WCW)
19. Tiger Mask 4 (Michinoku Pro)
20. Mr. Gannosuke (FMW)

For the hell of it, some more...

21. Satoshi Kojima (NJPW)
22. Dean Malenko (WWF)
23. Taka Michinoku (WWF)
24. Jinsei Shinzaki (Michinoku Pro)
25. Jun Akiyama (AJPW)
26. H(ayabusa) (FMW)
27. Yasushi Kanda (Toryumon)
28. Kintaro Kanemura (FMW)
29. Masato Tanaka (FMW)
30. Ryuji Yamakawa (BJPW)
31. Tomoaki Honma (BJPW)
32. Jeff Hardy (WWF)
33. Dick Togo (Osaka Pro)
34. Christopher Daniels (WCW)
35. Hisakatsu Oya (FMW)

What a promotion that would be...

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T-LOWE

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1. HULK HOGAN
2. ULTIMATE WARRIOR
3. JIM DUGGAN
4. ME

OK, THOSE WERE GIMMIES - HERE ARE THE SURPRISING WILD CARDS:

5. KAMALA AS THE MONSTER HEEL
6. BENROY - JUST KIDDING - JIM POWERS
7. VILLIANO 5
8. IRON MIKE SHARPE
9. JUNGLE JIM STEELE
10. KEVIN NASH
11. HANK ABBOTT
12. KATO FROM THE ORIENT EXPRESS
13. GREG VALENTINE
14. LANNY POFFO
15. RENO RIGGINS
16. X-PAC, FOR HIS MIC SKILLS ALONE
17. CHUCKLES POLUMBO AS THE MEDIUM SHOW
18. THE RRRRRRRRRRENEGADE
19. BILLY JACK HAYNES
20. ARACHNOMAN

T-LOWE


nmed

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Ehh, I guess I'll speak out on this one.

1. Steve Austin --Now this is assuming he makes a full recovery.
Austin will definitely put people in the seats and that's definitely
an important aspect of wrestling.

2. Mick Foley --He's just invaluable. I'd take him even in his
current commissioner role. Definitely one of the best mic workers in
the business.

3. Chris Benoit --Able to get over on wrestling skills alone. I'm
liking his current gimmick.

4. Chris Jericho --Gold on the mic and not bad in in-ring skills
either.

6. Eddy(this is starting to sound like the wwf) --Amazing heel
charisma and great in the ring.

7. Kanyon --I'm really digging his current "Positively Kanyon" work.

6. Jeff Hardy --Makes every opponent look like a million bucks.

7. Matt Hardy --Can't have one without the other. Probably better
overall than his brother.

8. TAKA Michinoku --Rudo extraordinare. Able to get over despite his
lack of language skills. Not to mention the fact that he's a god in
the ring.

9. CIMA --See TAKA.

10. SUWA --For the same reasons as CIMA. They could also make one
hell of a tag-team if the fed was low in that area.

11. Vader --If you can get other wrestlers to bump for him, he could
be a #1 heel.

12. Kurt Angle --One of the best gimmicks in wrestling right now and
not too shabby in the ring either.

13. Yoshihiro Tajiri --Tons of charisma plus some of the stiffest
kicks in all of wrestling.

14. Steve Corino --Classic heel. One of the best in the business.
Also doesn't hessitate to bump for his opponents.

15. Booker T --Tons of charisma. Not bad in the ring either.

16. Ikuto Hidaka. I really like his Battlarts stuff not to mention
his short stay in ECW.

17. Christopher Daniels --Great ring-worker. Decent amount of
charisma too.

18. Jody Flash --I loved what little work of his I've seen in MPro.

19. Triple H --One of the best heels in the business. Greatly
improved in the ring as well.

20. Vampiro --I just like him, that's all.

*=*=*=*

"Self improvement is masturbation."

Part-time poster, full-time lurkeR

Bill Elder

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1. The Rock
2. HHH
3. Steve Austin
4. Ric Flair
5. Bret Hart
6. Rob Van Dam
7.Goldberg

Having these seven pretty much guarentees money and initial popularity right
off the bat.

8. Booker T
9. Chris Jericho
10. Kurt Angle
11. Jeff Hardy
12. Shane Helms
13. Lance Storm
14. Eddy Guerrero
15. Juventud Guerrera
16. Chris Benoit
17. Christopher Daniels
18. Kanyon
19. Jerry Lynn
20. Yoshihiro Tajiri

Mostly charismatic guys who can all work their ass off.
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UDMatt99

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I guess I can weigh in with an opinion on this.

1. HHH
2. Chris Jericho
3. Chris Benoit
4. Eddy Guerrero
5. Steve Austin (100% healthy)
6. The Rock
7. Kurt Angle
8. Yoshihiro Tijiri
9. Steve Corino
10. Super Crazy
11. Rey Mysterio, Jr. (100% healthy)
12. Scott Steiner
13. Jeff Hardy
14. Matt Hardy
15. Lance Storm
16. Edge
17. Christian
18. Vader (100% healthy)

For 19, and 20, you have to have a few JTTS to get guys over.

19. The Godfather
20. Big BossMan

Bill Elder

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>1. The Rock
>2. HHH
>3. Steve Austin
>4. Ric Flair
>5. Bret Hart
>6. Rob Van Dam
>7.Goldberg
>
>Having these seven pretty much guarentees money and initial popularity right
>off the bat.
>
>8. Booker T
>9. Chris Jericho
>10. Kurt Angle
>11. Jeff Hardy
>12. Shane Helms
>13. Lance Storm
>14. Eddy Guerrero
>15. Juventud Guerrera
>16. Chris Benoit
>17. Christopher Daniels
>18. Kanyon
>19. Jerry Lynn
>20. Yoshihiro Tajiri
>
>Mostly charismatic guys who can all work their ass off.

Forgot Corino. Gotta have Corino.

Kris Wood

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Hmm, Let's see:

Chris Benoit
Chris Jericho
HHH
Mitsuahara Misawa
Ric Flair
Steve Austin (Healthy)
Great Sasuke
Eddy Guerrero
Juvi
Yoshihiro Tajiri
Jerry Lynn
Steve Corino
Nova
Lance Storm
Jeff Hardy
Matt Hardy
Taka
Christian
Edge
Kaz Hayashi

Lou Bona

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over any time period?

Only guys I've actually seen many times:

1. Bruno Sammartino
2. Pedro Morales
3. Gorilla Monsoon
4. Superstar Billy Graham
5. Ric Flair
6. Arn Anderson
7. Ricky Steamboat
8. Randy Savage
9. Antonina Rocca
10. Bret Hart
11. Shane Douglas (from his ECW heyday)
12. Sabu
13. Nikita Koloff
14. Cactus Jack ( the ECW version)
15. Dusty Rhodes (from his NWA days)
16. Steve Austin (from his ECW/WWF days)
17. Brian Pillman (from his ECW/WWF days)
18. Barry Windham (from his NWA days)
19. Mil Mascaras
20. Kurt Angle

Stuart

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Sammartino vs. Sabu would be... interesting. You'd have Sammartino applying
a 40-minute armbar and Sabu trying to do all his spots.

Lou Bona

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Personally I think if Bruno got a good grip on Sabu it'd be all over, but I'm
sure opinions will vary.

Definite contrast in styles.

Old School John

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Lou Bona <lb...@agentgo.com> wrote:
>over any time period?

Damn, this is pretty good, particularly with the added stip of
guys that you've seen... Using your list as a template, I'll
refine it just a bit...
>
>
>1. Bruno Sammartino

Gotta have a technically gifted babyface, can't fault the
selection of Bruno, though I'd be inclined to substitute Misawa
as my #1.

>2. Pedro Morales

Need a guy that can go with the cruisers or hang with the
heavyweights... Sorry, I'll pass on Morales (as good as he was)
and put the incomparable Tom Billington here.

>3. Gorilla Monsoon

A great monster heel, but I'm partial to Vader.

>4. Superstar Billy Graham

No argument.

>5. Ric Flair
>6. Arn Anderson
>7. Ricky Steamboat

Ditto.

>8. Randy Savage

Nah, even at his peak I'd rather have Tenryu or Mutoh.

>9. Antonina Rocca

Here's where I plead ignorance, I only have a couple of Rocca's
matches on tape and while he seemed very, very good I can't say
that I'd pick him over several others... Can we have Jumbo
Tsuruta instead?

>10. Bret Hart

No argument.


>11. Shane Douglas (from his ECW heyday)

We have Flair, we don't need Flair-light. How about Dory Funk jr?

>12. Sabu

If we're going to have Foley, we sure don't need Sabu. Let's go
with Chris Benoit.

>13. Nikita Koloff

I can't imagine why we'd want Nikita when El Hijo Del Santo is
still available!

>14. Cactus Jack ( the ECW version)

Yep, or even the early WCW version. Bang, bang!

>15. Dusty Rhodes (from his NWA days)

With only 20 spots, I don't have time for Rhodes' antics. If we
must have yet another Texas brawler, let it be Terry Funk (from
before his first retirement)

>16. Steve Austin (from his ECW/WWF days)

I like Austin, but can't fit him in when Jack Brisco's still
available as a selection.

>17. Brian Pillman (from his ECW/WWF days)

I liked Pillman, but if I have to choose between Pillman and
Eddie Guerrero, Pillman's going to lose.

>18. Barry Windham (from his NWA days)

No argument. When he was motivated he was one for the ages.

>19. Mil Mascaras

Much as I liked him as a kid I have to concede that there are
several luchadores that are far, far better. Let's go with the
Blue Demon in his prime.


>20. Kurt Angle

There's so many guys I'd pick over Angle, but we need another
great cruiser, how about Jushin Liger?

It would have been a lot easier to do this either by decade or
by country, there's so many greats that we've both left off it's
ridiculous. After all, Ray Stevens ought to be on here, Kobashi,
Takada in his prime, Nick Bockwinkel, etc...


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Chris Jericho
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Lance Storm
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All-Time:

Ric Flair
Bruiser Brody
Andre The Giant
Ernie Ladd
Terry Funk
Ray "The Crippler" Stevens
Dynamite Kid
Tiger Mask (Sayama)
Bret Hart
Chris Benoit
Mr. Wrestling II (need a prototype face)
Dusty Rhodes
Ted Dibiase
Roddy Piper (great heel in his prime)
Ricky Steamboat
Barry Windham
Arn Anderson
Cactus Jack
Vader
Sting

Lou Bona

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I'm vaguely familiar with some of the Japanese guys you mention, but not
familiar enough to fairly judge them. that's why I left them off. I'll
admit I didn't put a whole lot of thought into it, just a list of guys
that I think bring a lot to the table.

Old School John wrote:

> Lou Bona <lb...@agentgo.com> wrote:
> >over any time period?
>
> Damn, this is pretty good, particularly with the added stip of
> guys that you've seen... Using your list as a template, I'll
> refine it just a bit...
> >
> >
> >1. Bruno Sammartino
>
> Gotta have a technically gifted babyface, can't fault the
> selection of Bruno, though I'd be inclined to substitute Misawa
> as my #1.
>

Probably because I grew up in the heart of WWWF country when Bruno was
around, but he'll always be "the man" as far as I'm concerned.


>
> >2. Pedro Morales
>
> Need a guy that can go with the cruisers or hang with the
> heavyweights... Sorry, I'll pass on Morales (as good as he was)
> and put the incomparable Tom Billington here.
>

If I'm building a fed for pure enjoyment I might agree, but damn, Pedro
could draw in his time. And I always enjoyed his work.


>
> >3. Gorilla Monsoon
>
> A great monster heel, but I'm partial to Vader.

Again maybe because I'm a WWWF mark, but Vader couldn't touch Monsoon in
his prime.


>
>
> >4. Superstar Billy Graham
>
> No argument.
>

> >5. Ric Flair
> >6. Arn Anderson
> >7. Ricky Steamboat
>

> Ditto.
>
> >8. Randy Savage
>
> Nah, even at his peak I'd rather have Tenryu or Mutoh.

These guys I've seen, and I'd take Macho in a heartbeat. Different
tastes I guess.

>
>
> >9. Antonina Rocca
>
> Here's where I plead ignorance, I only have a couple of Rocca's
> matches on tape and while he seemed very, very good I can't say
> that I'd pick him over several others... Can we have Jumbo
> Tsuruta instead?
>

Hey it's fantasy, take whoever you like. He's the first high-flyer I
ever saw, and in a time of mat wrestlers. Major innovator in my mind.

>
> >10. Bret Hart
>
> No argument.
>

> >11. Shane Douglas (from his ECW heyday)
>

> We have Flair, we don't need Flair-light. How about Dory Funk jr?

I wouldn't really call Douglas in ECW Flair-light (Flair wanna be yes).
He ushered in the ECW attitude that the WWF co-opted.

>
>
> >12. Sabu
>
> If we're going to have Foley, we sure don't need Sabu. Let's go
> with Chris Benoit.
>

I don't now how I missed Benoit, but on reflection, with Hart why do we
need Benoit. When Foley goes from the mat to a chair to the top rope and
jumps off I'll agree we don't need Sabu, but until then...

>
> >13. Nikita Koloff
>
> I can't imagine why we'd want Nikita when El Hijo Del Santo is
> still available!
>

Just something about him, if I thought about it he' probably get
dropped.

>
> >14. Cactus Jack ( the ECW version)
>

> Yep, or even the early WCW version. Bang, bang!
>

> >15. Dusty Rhodes (from his NWA days)
>

> With only 20 spots, I don't have time for Rhodes' antics. If we
> must have yet another Texas brawler, let it be Terry Funk (from
> before his first retirement)
>

Huge draw in his prime, just to revise his feud with Superstar Billy
Graham makes him worth keeping.

>
> >16. Steve Austin (from his ECW/WWF days)
>

> I like Austin, but can't fit him in when Jack Brisco's still
> available as a selection.
>

Don't know Brisco first hand. Austin gets in for best use of props.
Anybody who drives a beer truck to the ring (and isn't the Sandman)
makes my list.

>
> >17. Brian Pillman (from his ECW/WWF days)
>

> I liked Pillman, but if I have to choose between Pillman and
> Eddie Guerrero, Pillman's going to lose.
>

The loose canon wins out on mic skills.

>
> >18. Barry Windham (from his NWA days)
>

> No argument. When he was motivated he was one for the ages.
>
> >19. Mil Mascaras
>
> Much as I liked him as a kid I have to concede that there are
> several luchadores that are far, far better. Let's go with the
> Blue Demon in his prime.
>

Don't know him. Mil just blew my mind back when he toured the WWWF.

>
> >20. Kurt Angle
>
> There's so many guys I'd pick over Angle, but we need another
> great cruiser, how about Jushin Liger?

Angle just seems to have it all, and he's still pretty much a rookie.


>
>
> It would have been a lot easier to do this either by decade or
> by country, there's so many greats that we've both left off it's
> ridiculous. After all, Ray Stevens ought to be on here, Kobashi,
> Takada in his prime, Nick Bockwinkel, etc...
>

I know what you mean. I wanted to fit the Crusher in badly, just
because, maybe instead of Nikita.

Peggy &/Or Patrick

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1) Mick Foley, for training and guidance

2) RCD--because he's the Whole F'ing Show

3) Brian Christopher, I see a lot of potential there

4) Chavo Guerrero, see #3

5) Blitzkrieg

6) Chyna, but for the women's division

7) The Rock, for fan appeal

8) Stone Cold, see #8

10) Chris Jericho

11) Kanyon

12) Ron Simmons, I love the ApA

13) Bradshaw, see # 12

14) Madusa, again women's dividion

15) Paul Wight, keep the weight off him so that he can move and let him run with
the mic, he's a funny guy

16) Edge

17) Bryan Clark, I think he's handsome

18) Lawler, for commentating

19) D-lo Brown

20) Would HAVE to be...............T-LOWE!


Peggy, Not PatI


T-LOWE

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T-LOWE

Peggy &/Or Patrick wrote in message <395B28A5...@prodigy.net>...

Silent G

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1 - Abdullah the Butcher
2 - Kamala
3 - Iceman King Parsons
4 - One Man Gang
5 - Missing Link
6 - The Yeti
7 - Cactus Jack
8 - Andre the Giant
9 - Big John Studd
10- King Kong Bundy
11- Giant Baba
12- Sabu
13- BlackJack Mulligan
14- Jimmy Snuka
15- Dingo Warrior
16- Nikita Koloff
17- Terry Funk
18- Bam Bam Bigelow
19- Iron Sheik
20- Vader

Jobbers: Doink, Earthquake, Robocop, Gobbledy Gooker, Iron Mike
Sharpe, Black Scorpion, George Steele, Ding Dongs, Uncle Elmer

Announcers: Eric Bischoff and Vince McMahon

Old School John

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Lou:

Your explanations make sense. My choices are pretty much
predicated by ring-work alone with little regard for mic skills.
It's also apparent that at probably the same ages you got to see
a lot of WWWF while I got to watch the NWA... ;-) We didn't get
WWWF out here so I never really saw Morales in his prime or much
of Graham's title run. I've since been able to acquire a few
tapes of Graham and Sammartino, but very little material with
Morales.

A lot of my choices (like Vader) are based on their work in
Japan, Vader has never even been close to being used correctly
in the States. Sort of the Steve Williams syndrome, both men
need opponents that can hang with their exceptional stiff style.

OSJ

THE GRUFF!!

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4)hardy's
6)Yung Dragons
9)Booker T
10)Ray Mysterio JR
11)Eddie Guerrero
12)Juvi
13)Psychosis
14)RVD
15) Dean Malenko
16)Chris Benoit
17) Kanyon
18) Mike Awesome
19) Lance Storm
20) Perry Saturn


smartyp...@webtv.net

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Madusa
Jacqueline
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Ivory
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Manami Toyota
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Chyna
Reggie Bennett
Lita
Mariko Yoshida
Michiko Ohmukai
Yumi Fukawa
Toshiyo Yamada
Meiko Satomura
Sonoko Kato
Takako Inoue
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Torrey M. Spears with Ivory

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Hmmmm...

Bret Hart

Shane Douglas

Chris Benoit

Perry Saturn

Nova

Mike Awesome

Kurt Angle

Jericho

HHH

Shane Helms

Shannon Moore

Booker T.

Lance Storm

Super Crazy

Chris Kanyon

Brian Clark

Jerry Lynn

The Cat

Curt Hennig (cause I still mark for Mister Perfect)

and ... X-Pac... cause every league needs a jobber.

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1. Triple H
2. Steve Austin
3. Chris Benoit
4. Kanyon
5. Tajiri
6. Toshiaki Kawada
7. Vader
8. Scott Steiner
9. Lyger
10. Ohtani
11. Bret 'The Hitman' Hart
12. Akira Taue
13. Johnny Smith
14. Steven Regal
15. Ric Flair
16. Edge
17. Christian
18. Yugi Nagata
19. Tazz
20. Kenta Kobashi

My federation has diversity, but also has enough wrestlers of each style so
that it would work out. We also have a few entertainers but the focus would be
wrestling.

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>>1. Bruno Sammartino
>
>Gotta have a technically gifted babyface, can't fault the
>selection of Bruno, though I'd be inclined to substitute Misawa
>as my #1.

See, I'd actually rather have Backlund as number 1 face (well, I guess the fans
would make him heel nowadays).

>>2. Pedro Morales
>
>Need a guy that can go with the cruisers or hang with the
>heavyweights... Sorry, I'll pass on Morales (as good as he was)
>and put the incomparable Tom Billington here.

Totally agree, especially since I'd also have Benoit

.>>3. Gorilla Monsoon


>
>A great monster heel, but I'm partial to Vader.

Vader, ok, good choice especially since we have other AJPW workers.

>>4. Superstar Billy Graham

I'd rather have Kawada here in case Steiner acts like a headcase. He'd be the
lockerroom enforcer.

>>8. Randy Savage
>
>Nah, even at his peak I'd rather have Tenryu or Mutoh.
>

I'd rather have Inoki here.

>>11. Shane Douglas (from his ECW heyday)
>
>We have Flair, we don't need Flair-light. How about Dory Funk jr?

Yes, I'd take the good Funk anyday. A challenge for Backlund.

>>12. Sabu
>
>If we're going to have Foley, we sure don't need Sabu. Let's go
>with Chris Benoit.

Sabu would drag the workrate down. He's the least compatible wrestler I've
seen. Look at his matches with Taz: Taz offense, Sabu offense, horrible
transitions because of their style differences. Benoit on the other hand, can
blend with either guy. I pick Benoit as our resident brawler.

>>13. Nikita Koloff
>
>I can't imagine why we'd want Nikita when El Hijo Del Santo is
>still available!

I'd rather have Brian Pillman instead of Koloff. Heck, if we need a foreigner,
I'd rather take Regal anyday.


>>15. Dusty Rhodes (from his NWA days)
>
>With only 20 spots, I don't have time for Rhodes' antics. If we
>must have yet another Texas brawler, let it be Terry Funk (from
>before his first retirement)

I'm partial to Stan Hansen or Captain Redneck in this spot.

>>16. Steve Austin (from his ECW/WWF days)
>
>I like Austin, but can't fit him in when Jack Brisco's still
>available as a selection.

I don't know Jack (!) so I'd still have to go with Austin. Besides, we'd get
to see the Benoit-Austin match where both guys' heads explode from intensity.

>>17. Brian Pillman (from his ECW/WWF days)
>
>I liked Pillman, but if I have to choose between Pillman and
>Eddie Guerrero, Pillman's going to

Since I already have Pillman, yeah, I like either Guerrero or Ohtani in this
spot.

>>18. Barry Windham (from his NWA days)
>
>No argument. When he was motivated he was one for the ages.

I don't know, I'd rather have Ted DiBiase in this spot. Windham was good, what
the heck happened?

>>19. Mil Mascaras
>
>Much as I liked him as a kid I have to concede that there are
>several luchadores that are far, far better. Let's go with the
>Blue Demon in his prime.
>

I'm not a huge fan of lucha, so I'd probably put Bobby Duncum here as yet
another Texas tough-guy

.>>20. Kurt Angle


>
>There's so many guys I'd pick over Angle, but we need another
>great cruiser, how about Jushin Liger?
>

Angle's young, but he'll adjust well. Keep Angle.

Hollywood SHOCKER

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HHH
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Johnny the Bull
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wrestler
Emelald Erbis Misawa
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Kronic

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Wrath --- "Big Man, speed !"
Mankind --- one word...BUMPS !!
Scott Steiner --Muscles and brains.. well nearly !
Rob Van Dam -- F'N Class !!
Doink The Clown -- shock choice, but evry1 needs humour !!
Bret hart -- Every 1 also needs a moaner who can ACTUALLY wrestle properly
!!
Booker T -- very good..very very good !!
Jericho -- Charisma and talent.
Raven -- ......... "Shakespear"
Terry Funk -- Old guys can be hardcore !!

well theres a few !

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