Sting Was The Backup Plan
Scott Brimblecombe
I'm not sure if this has been posted or not, but I found out yesterday
that Sting, not Luger, was the backup plan for the third man at Bash At
The Beach. I think this would have been a terrible decision. Sting was
a heel for a short time, but never in WCW, and he has not worked in the
WWF. Apparently the powers, or power (Eric), were going to play it off
as Sting feeling The Outsuders were superior to WCW. Interesting
concept, but I don't think it would have gone over that well. After all,
WCW doesn't want The Outsiders getting more cheers then The Nacho Man and
The Huckster.
Mark Davenport
In <31E960...@plainfield.bypass.com> Scott Brimblecombe
Actually they have played off the negative image of Eric and now Hogan.
WCW has realized something the WWF never will heel heat is a positive
thing in wrestling. Fans now want to see a badass heel kick the shit
out of the lame ass unbeatable face.
And it also does not matter who they cheer for seeing as they are all
employed by WCW. If they cheer for the outsiders fine they are still
cheering for a WCW product whether they know it or not.
Whether you like it or not Eric has put this in a no loss situation, if
people want to see wcw get their ass kicked they cheer for the
outsiders if they want to see wcw win they cheer for sting or macho man
but guess what they are both WCW products now. Do you think Vince would
ever turn UW even if he knew he was not over with the smart fans.
Vince is still in his 80s phase and he will not learn. Turning Shawn
face was the worst thing he could have done. Shawn as a heel was the
next flair no doubt in my mind but now he's the next Hogan stupid move
Vince you'll never learn.
Stsinger
<<Vince is still in his 80s phase and he will not learn. Turning Shawn
face was the worst thing he could have done. Shawn as a heel was the
next flair no doubt in my mind but now he's the next Hogan stupid move
Vince you'll never learn.>>
While I agree that Michaels was a better heel, it's hard to argue with the
success of Michaels as a face. Business is better than it's been in
years, and with Michaels on top the WWF is pulling huge crowds in major
arenas across the country and pulling buy rates on their PPVs of around
1.0. So while you and I may appreciate Michaels talents better as a heel,
that fact that Michaels as a face is selling out Madison Square Garden
(when, in contrast, WCW can't come close to selling out the THEATRE at
MSG) means that artistically, we may not like the decision, but it's hard
to argue with in on a business level.
Steve
Mark Davenport
In <4sbo04$3...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> stsi...@aol.com (Stsinger)
writes:
tour even surprising some people. And I think even lemmings will agree
Shawn has not generated the intended interest Vince was expecting to be
having him as champ.
This is actually not all Shawns fault either it is the fact their are
no heels in the wwf that are getting any real heat for his world champ.
The bulldog angle was basically dropped without explanation this 6 man
tag thing screams of wcw hogan type stuff with no real interest. He
does not have a monster heel that he is in an angle with that is
generating any real interest.
Even Vader is not getting any real heat for various reasons which
include Vinces apparent desrie to not let Vader do what he does best
powerbombs,interviews and just being a general badass. Along with
having him job to the UW and Shawn himself in under 5 mins at each
house show. I know its a house show but still when its done across the
country word gets out.
Heel champs are so much easier to get heat from seeing as heels and
faces can try and knock them off the top. Flair was champ so long
because he got heat and never bored the fans cause their were always
faces around to challange and faces are easier to get over and build
up.
The wwf lacks a legit monster heel who might take Shawn down. Shawn is
suffereing from the Hogan syndrome and in this day and age that will
kill him in the sport.
bishop
No 1 BRET wrote:
>
> >>Sting was a heel for a short time, but never in WCW
>
At the time the Horsemen were faces. I think it was right after the
whole J-Tex (Gary Hart, Muta, Terry Funk) vs the NWA angle.
Daniel DeWitte
On 14 Jul 1996 18:36:23 GMT, gig...@ix.netcom.com(Mark Davenport)
wrote:
>In <31E960...@plainfield.bypass.com> Scott Brimblecombe
><sbes...@plainfield.bypass.com> writes:
>>
>>I'm not sure if this has been posted or not, but I found out yesterday
>
>>that Sting, not Luger, was the backup plan for the third man at Bash
>At
>>The Beach. I think this would have been a terrible decision. Sting
>was
>>a heel for a short time, but never in WCW, and he has not worked in
>the
>>WWF. Apparently the powers, or power (Eric), were going to play it
>off
>>as Sting feeling The Outsuders were superior to WCW. Interesting
>>concept, but I don't think it would have gone over that well. After
>all,
>>WCW doesn't want The Outsiders getting more cheers then The Nacho Man
>and
>>The Huckster.
>
>Actually they have played off the negative image of Eric and now Hogan.
>WCW has realized something the WWF never will heel heat is a positive
>thing in wrestling. Fans now want to see a badass heel kick the shit
>out of the lame ass unbeatable face.
>
>And it also does not matter who they cheer for seeing as they are all
>employed by WCW. If they cheer for the outsiders fine they are still
>cheering for a WCW product whether they know it or not.
>
>Whether you like it or not Eric has put this in a no loss situation, if
>people want to see wcw get their ass kicked they cheer for the
>outsiders if they want to see wcw win they cheer for sting or macho man
>but guess what they are both WCW products now. Do you think Vince would
>ever turn UW even if he knew he was not over with the smart fans.
>
>Vince is still in his 80s phase and he will not learn. Turning Shawn
>face was the worst thing he could have done. Shawn as a heel was the
>next flair no doubt in my mind but now he's the next Hogan stupid move
>Vince you'll never learn.
All YOU BASTARDS posting this stupid junk are all IDIOTS!
Keith E. Young
No 1 BRET (no1...@aol.com) wrote:
: >>Sting was a heel for a short time, but never in WCW
: Yes, he was a heel for a short time in WCW... He was a HORSEMEN!
If you remember, that's when the Horsemen were a face team.
PETER GRASSI
On Jul 15, 1996 05:54:20 in article <Re: Sting Was The Backup Plan>,
'no1...@aol.com (No 1 BRET)' wrote:
>>>Sting was a heel for a short time, but never in WCW
>
>Yes, he was a heel for a short time in WCW... He was a HORSEMEN!
--
PETER GRASSI
Pe...@pipeline.com
"Hey pal, you were the man here because I wasn't around" - Flair to
Sammartino @ MSG
Long Live Bischoff!!!
Scott Brimblecombe
No 1 BRET wrote:
>
> >>Sting was a heel for a short time, but never in WCW
>
No 1 BRET
Jody Cooper
In article <4sbpnk$d...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, gig...@ix.netcom.com(Mark Davenport) wrote:
>Actually from all reports WCw did very well in their latest northeast
>tour even surprising some people. And I think even lemmings will agree
>Shawn has not generated the intended interest Vince was expecting to be
>having him as champ.
I beg to differ. WCW's northeastern tour was considered a disappointent by
all. No sell-outs and disappointing gates can not considered doing "very
well." Still, WWF is no better either. Vince still needs to realize that the
money is to be made on the heels, not the faces.
People will tire of Shawn just like they did with Hogan.
No one goes to WWF house shows because they already know the outcome before
they even go. The top faces in the WWF have "armor plating" right now. Give
WCW credit for doing it right. Put the heat on the heels on TV, but the faces
at the house shows.
>This is actually not all Shawns fault either it is the fact their are
>no heels in the wwf that are getting any real heat for his world champ.
This is mainly Vince's fault. The WWF has always been a pro-face federation.
>The bulldog angle was basically dropped without explanation this 6 man
>tag thing screams of wcw hogan type stuff with no real interest. He
>does not have a monster heel that he is in an angle with that is
>generating any real interest.
I agree with this one, but from what we know, it was the Smith's who wanted
the angle dropped.
>Even Vader is not getting any real heat for various reasons which
>include Vinces apparent desrie to not let Vader do what he does best
>powerbombs,interviews and just being a general badass. Along with
>having him job to the UW and Shawn himself in under 5 mins at each
>house show. I know its a house show but still when its done across the
>country word gets out.
True, but see above...
>Heel champs are so much easier to get heat from seeing as heels and
>faces can try and knock them off the top. Flair was champ so long
>because he got heat and never bored the fans cause their were always
>faces around to challange and faces are easier to get over and build
>up.
The only problem is that Flair's interviews were/are getting stale. When he
starts saying "To be the man..." someone might say "Yeah, well I'm going to
the bathroom."
>The wwf lacks a legit monster heel who might take Shawn down. Shawn is
>suffereing from the Hogan syndrome and in this day and age that will
>kill him in the sport.
Again, this is Vince's fault. The faces have this "suit or armor" which
protects them. When Bill Watts came in last year, the first thing he did was
put heat on the heels at a RAW taping. Even the wrestlers said that they felt
something good came from that night of taping. What did Vince do? He fired
Watts.
Vince
christopher carrell
In article <4sd4gc$k...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> no1...@aol.com (No 1 BRET) writes:
>>>Sting was a heel for a short time, but never in WCW
>
>Yes, he was a heel for a short time in WCW... He was a HORSEMEN!
Dumbass, that was when the Horsemen were faces and Terry Funk was
putting the plastic bag over Ric Flair's head.
Sting was a heel in the old Mid-South teaming with Eddie Gilbert.
carnage
>>
>>Vince is still in his 80s phase and he will not learn. Turning Shawn
>>face was the worst thing he could have done. Shawn as a heel was the
>>next flair no doubt in my mind but now he's the next Hogan stupid move
>>Vince you'll never learn.
>All YOU BASTARDS posting this stupid junk are all IDIOTS!
wow nice comeback and insult there you could have at least posted yhe
reason why you think mr.davenport's ideas are stupid.but in reality you
make yourself look like a total idiot.mr.davenport is right:vince will
never learn and his fans will never learn either. -CARNAGE
Jody Cooper
In article <4sd4gc$k...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, no1...@aol.com (No 1 BRET) wrote:
>>>Sting was a heel for a short time, but never in WCW
>
>Yes, he was a heel for a short time in WCW... He was a HORSEMEN!
Incorrect. When Sting was a Horsemen, he and the entire team were faces. The
turned on him a short time later.
Sting has not been a heel since he was in the Mid-South/UWF region.
Your User Name
Somebody told me that Sting used be partners with the Ultimate
(Dingo) Warrior and were called the Blade Runners. Is this true? Were
they Heals or Faces?
Trevor Barrie
no1...@aol.com (No 1 BRET) wrote:
>>>Sting was a heel for a short time, but never in WCW
>Yes, he was a heel for a short time in WCW... He was a HORSEMEN!
And the Horsemen were faces at the time. The previous poster was
correct; Sting hasn't been a heel since his UWF days.
Johnny Go-Lately
And YOU! so-called CARNAGE, is the LOWEST, most STUPID IDIOT
of them ALL!
carnage
69...@zero.no.net (Johnny Go-Lately) wrote:>
>>
>And YOU! so-called CARNAGE, is the LOWEST, most STUPID IDIOT
>of them ALL!
master i will obey you now!i am not worthy!!i am not worthy!!
-your humble servant,CARNAGE
Ken Yuki
Mark Davenport (gig...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: Actually they have played off the negative image of Eric and now Hogan.
: WCW has realized something the WWF never will heel heat is a positive
: thing in wrestling. Fans now want to see a badass heel kick the shit
: out of the lame ass unbeatable face.
: And it also does not matter who they cheer for seeing as they are all
: employed by WCW. If they cheer for the outsiders fine they are still
: cheering for a WCW product whether they know it or not.
: Whether you like it or not Eric has put this in a no loss situation, if
: people want to see wcw get their ass kicked they cheer for the
: outsiders if they want to see wcw win they cheer for sting or macho man
: but guess what they are both WCW products now. Do you think Vince would
: ever turn UW even if he knew he was not over with the smart fans.
: Vince is still in his 80s phase and he will not learn. Turning Shawn
: face was the worst thing he could have done. Shawn as a heel was the
: next flair no doubt in my mind but now he's the next Hogan stupid move
: Vince you'll never learn.
I don't think it's that Vince has to learn but more remember that the WWF
went through a pretty nice regeneration period around the end of 1993 and
the beginning of 1994. Yokozuna (a monster HEEL) was the federation's
champion at the time so Vince did at one time know how to draw heat with
the heels. Unless McMahon has burned his bridge to whoever was the head
booker at the time, maybe he should go back to that person and have him
write up some better stories.
Keiji Mutoh rules!
Ken.