Billy-Bob
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Later in his career (in the 1970's), Dick the Bruiser used the stomach
claw. I can't remember whether he used it as a finishing move though.
Claw memory: My most vivid memory of the claw hold was when Fritz
Von Erich issued a challenge that if anyone thought they could break
his claw, he would take any bet. The next week (these were TV
interviews) Joe Blanchard came out with a wheelbarrow of money (I don't
remember the the amount is was supposed to be - it has been TOO LONG).
While Blanchard was taking off his jacket, Von Erich hit him from
behind and put on the face claw. Blanchard juiced (as was the normal
result of the claw at that time) and Von Erich kept it on him until
several wrestlers came from the back. I guess I remember it so well
because I thought Blanchard was seriously hurt by this sneak attack.
A couple of weeks later, I went to my first match where I quickly
realized the true nature of wrestling.
All the Von Eric Sons
Blackjack Lanza
Blackjack Mulligan
Barry Windham
Kurt Von Hess, Karl Von Schotz, Karl Von Strohiem (and every other Nazi gimmic)
The Spoiler
Rick Steamboat (occasionally)
At least one of the Koloffs used an abdominal claw
<I think> The Excecutioners (Kowalski & John Studd)
> Later in his career (in the 1970's), Dick the Bruiser used the stomach
> claw. I can't remember whether he used it as a finishing move though.
> Claw memory: My most vivid memory of the claw hold was when Fritz
> Von Erich issued a challenge that if anyone thought they could break
> his claw, he would take any bet. The next week (these were TV
> interviews) Joe Blanchard came out with a wheelbarrow of money (I don't
> remember the the amount is was supposed to be - it has been TOO LONG).
> While Blanchard was taking off his jacket, Von Erich hit him from
> behind and put on the face claw. Blanchard juiced (as was the normal
> result of the claw at that time) and Von Erich kept it on him until
> several wrestlers came from the back. I guess I remember it so well
> because I thought Blanchard was seriously hurt by this sneak attack.
> A couple of weeks later, I went to my first match where I quickly
> realized the true nature of wrestling.
If claw holds include that neck claw hold then count Killer Khan and
Terry Gordy as some of it's users.Also I think some of Samoans used the
one I'm talking about.Oh yeah I forgot it's galled the ASIAN SPIKE and
Meng uses it as well.It's kinda like the claw.Also mankind uses a mouth
claw that has a stupid name that I can't remember.
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That's not a claw hold, per se, is it? Isn't it more of a thumb jab?
As someone else pointed out, way back when, the claw drew blood when it
was applied to the face, as in de Big Baron's Brain Claw. (Contort face
and snarl as needed) On local WWWF wrestling in Pittsburgh (when weekly TV
wrestling really was local), a big red X was splashed across the screen
whenr von Raschke applied the hold. Was this practice common elsewhere?
Anyone remember?
Also, and perhaps more important, if the claw drew blood when applied to
the face, why didn't it draw blood when applied to the abdominal area? For
the same reason that a thumb to the eye is temporarily blinding but a
thumb to the belly button is not? Hmmm.
Too bad. It could've been a good character gimmick: A mask-wearing
Filipino wrestler named The Psychic Surgeon.
Crusher Lisowski ("Da Crusher") sometimes used the stomach claw as a
finisher.
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Didn't Barry Windham use the claw for awhile too in his 4 Horsemen days.
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Blackjack also used the face claw in the WWF. As was posted earlier, most
of his opponents juiced as a result, only I remember when there was NO big
red X... <sigh>
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I'd say so...
ObRSPW: Kamala used a claw, too. A pec claw, that is.
Chris
> As a longtime wrestling fan (more "then" than "now"), I was thinking of
all the
> wrestlers who used the claw as a finishing move. The ones that come to
my mind are:
> Killer Kowalski
> Fritz VonErich
> Pampero Firpo
> Baron VonRasche
> I believe that Bulldog Don Kent used the claw on the carotid artery,
whereas the others
> used it to the face, or in Kowalski's case, sometimes to the stomach.
> Can anyone out there add to the list of Claw-Hold users.
Didn't Blackjack Mulligan and Blackjack Lanza use the claw as their
finishing hold. I also remember Barry Windham also using dad's finishing
hold.
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>As a longtime wrestling fan (more "then" than "now"), I was thinking of all the
>wrestlers who used the claw as a finishing move. The ones that come to my mind are:
> Killer Kowalski
> Fritz VonErich
> Pampero Firpo
> Baron VonRasche
>I believe that Bulldog Don Kent used the claw on the carotid artery, whereas the others
>used it to the face, or in Kowalski's case, sometimes to the stomach.
>Can anyone out there add to the list of Claw-Hold users.
>
>Billy-Bob
>World's Most Dangerous Draftsman
Kerry Von Erich used it in the WWF as the Texas Tornado on the top of
the head, it wasn't a finisher, but it was usually always a setup for
his 360 tornado punch that he beat Mr. Perfect with to become
intercontinental champ.
There was a wrestler in Mid South (or, more accurately, the promotion that
was to later change its name to Mid South) called Baron Karl von Krupp,
who used clawholds to the head and the stomach. He also used a variation
called the "eye claw" which was similar to the head claw except that he
dug his thumb into your eye socket at the same time. Owwie! Anyways,
I assume this is the same guy who in other promotions was known as
Killer Karl Krupp (not sure of the spelling).
Also, lots of the oriental wrestlers over the years, Kabuki and Kendo
Nagasaki to name a couple, used various "nerve holds" which could be
classified as claw holds. Does Hulk Hogan's 'rake to the back' count? ;-)
Also, I think Jim Duggan should work a claw type finisher into his
repertoire. It could be one of those moves that is magnified by 10x when
your hand is taped. ;-D
Doug
>Cliff Emerson (dev...@usa.pipeline.com) wrote:
>: Blackjack Mulligan used the claw regularly. I remember in the old WWWF
>: days, they would put a big "X" over the screen when Mulligan was applying
>: the hold. I think Vince McMahon said it was too gruesome to be shown on
>: TV. Obviously, this was just a way to try to get fans in the seats when
>: the WWWF and Mulligan would come to town.
>:
>: I also seem to remember Killer Khan using the claw as well.
I can't believe no-one has mentioned Baron Von Stevie of ECW. (I know it
was a joke, but seeing him in that cape and putting the claw on Joey
Styles had me laughing my ass off!)
>Didn't Blackjack Mulligan and Blackjack Lanza use the claw as their
>finishing hold. I also remember Barry Windham also using dad's finishing
>hold.
Yeah Mulligan used to say how he perfected the claw on the "Brammer (Brahma)
bulls" on his ranch.
Even ol' Jose Lothario used the stomach claw quite a bit late in his career.
From the Isle of Corsica..................Rene Goulet!!!!!!!!!!
And so did Don Jardine! ;)
> I can't believe no-one has mentioned Baron Von Stevie of ECW. (I know it
> was a joke, but seeing him in that cape and putting the claw on Joey
> Styles had me laughing my ass off!)
I totally agree. Stevie (and the Blue Meanie) has a lock on my ballot for the
Best Gimmick award for this year's RSPW year end awards. BTW, while we're
talking about clawholds in ECW, how about Luna Vachon's testicular claw?
J.F.
"The World's Most Dagerous Wrestler" Dick Da Brusier and
his cousin, "The Wrestler Who Made Milwaukee Famous",
Da Crusher both used the stomach claw.
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>The SPOILER had a great claw, too
Didn't the Spoiler have a claw hold that ultimately made his
opponents head bleed?
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>>>wrestlers who used the claw as a finishing move. The ones that come
>to my mind
>>are:
>>> Killer Kowalski
>>> Fritz VonErich
>>> Pampero Firpo
>>> Baron VonRasche
When Barry Windham first joined the Horsemen, he used the Claw!
>As a longtime wrestling fan (more "then" than "now"), I was thinking of all the
>wrestlers who used the claw as a finishing move. The ones that come to my mind are:
> Killer Kowalski
> Fritz VonErich
> Pampero Firpo
> Baron VonRasche
>I believe that Bulldog Don Kent used the claw on the carotid artery, whereas the others
>used it to the face, or in Kowalski's case, sometimes to the stomach.
>Can anyone out there add to the list of Claw-Hold users.
>
>Billy-Bob
>World's Most Dangerous Draftsman
The Great Kabuki had a variation of the claw that he applied under the
arm...some sort of nerve hold.
Duke Keomuka had a great stomach claw. He and Fritz Von Erich used to
have "claw vs. claw" matches. You had to win the fall with a claw
hold. Everyone thought that Fritz could just use the Iron Claw to the
head but he tricked Duke Keomuka and won the two out of three fall
match by applying the stomach claw.
There was a guy named Killer Karl Kos that used to wrestle Fritz all
the time around Dallas-Ft. Worth that had a variation of the claw that
he called the temple....something.... hold. He applied it by pushing
the first joint from the knuckle on his middle fingers into the
temples and twisting or exerting pressure.
One of the best TV interviews I remember at the time was when KKKox
cam out and said he had built himself up to where the Iron Claw
couldn't hurt him. He had a C-Clamp in his hand and placed it on his
head and started tightening it up around his temples. About this time
Fritz came on camera and hit him and then started to tighten the clamp
more until at the time I thought he was going to kill the guy. Then he
ripped the clamp off and applied the Iron Claw. KKK was laying on the
ground behind a table and you couldn't see what was actually going on
until KKK got up and you could see the juice running.
As with otherw that have replied to this thread have mentioned about
other wrestlers, when Fritz started using the claw the would black out
the screen and say it was just too violent to watch ...so you would
buy tickets to see it in person. Later they started showing it on TV.
I really like the idea of the red X on the screen that others had
mentioned......more dramatic= more ticket sales.
Don't forget Barry Windham!
And, let's not forget, the Master of the Scorpion Claw.....Rene Goulet!!!!
After considerable monitoring of RSPW postings, it has
become very obvious to me the many undesirable effects of
Pro-Wrestling on our immature youth/adults.
Pro-Wrestling:
1. Depicts "violence", the constant 'beating-up' of others.
2. Depicts the "breaking, ignorance of "established rules";
i.e. "cheating"..
3. Encourages being in a "dream world", such as suggesting
dumb, immature, imaginary angles for wrestlers.
4 Draws .immature parents who allow their young, immature
children to watch above actions.
5. Should be classified "Mature Adults Only"
I have seen signature files from RSPW posteres claiming to
be church burners. Is there any wonder our world is so full of
violence, hate, pipe bombers, church burners, when the above
items are openly displayed on T.V.?
Is this the kind of world you really want to live in, be a part of?
Don't be so fast to flame this post. You may be a victim of this
violence the next time you go out. More than likely, you will be
one who participates in the violence and spend most of your adult
life in prison...
> Baron Von Raske and Barry Windham
Fritz and all the little Von Erichs including poor air-head Kerry
Best clawhold either had to be David Von Erich or Blackjack Mulligan.
1)All The Von Erichs
2)Baron Von Rashke
3)BlackJack Mulligan
4)Barry Windham
That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
> Best claw hold??? The Spoiler. He could walk the ropes like The Undertaker
>and slap the claw-hold on until it bled!
Any of the Von Erichs. There was someone who used a stomach claw
can't remember his name (was it Boris Melenko?)
Baron Von Roske used the stomach claw!
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> Baron von Stevie used the claw hold.
>
So did Barry Windham. But his claw hand is gloved.
Stephen Tiszenkel is a mark-out idiot!
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Hey, you'd better watch it, buster. I've been watching you on this group,
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Do you know where you are? You're in the jungle, baby! You're in RSPW! This
group has had too many people try to take over, and all of 'em are gone
eventually! All of 'em! You're just next in line. Eventually, you'll be
defeated. And when you are, RSPW will live on, just like it always has! Just
like it always will! I don't care if you have ballbats! I don't care if you
have the financial resources to buy everyone out, because NOT everybody has a
price, Mister Pope Christopher! Yeah! And whether you like it, or you don't
like it, you better learn to love it, 'cause it's the best thing going today!
Wooooooo! Whatcha gonna do?!
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>In article <52hrp1$f...@news.acns.nwu.edu>, tl-h...@nwu.edu (Stephen
>Tiszenkel) wrote:
>
>> Baron von Stevie used the claw hold.
>>
>
>So did Barry Windham. But his claw hand is gloved.
Let's not forget Blackjack Mulligan and Lanza and also the Von
Erich's.
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So did the Von Erich family. And Baron von Raschke.
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