[ECW] 3\18
Dave Scherer
to describe what happened yesterday. I know I will not do it justice but
will try. I was not even going to do a report, but at least 10 people at
the Arena last night told me I had to. So if you hate these reports, and
are still reading, blame them. And if you are still reading, and hate
these reports, why haven't you hit "n" already?
I exported Iron Mikes results and will add to them where I can.
We had a major crowd at this show. I lost count at 33. I won't list
everyone because I don't want to leave anyone out. We had a helluva
tailgate party beforehand, as usual. All 5 of the Giraffe boys came to
the show, for the first time in lots of months. Dave, of the Giraffe
guys, and Eugie (the Giraffe), had decided to play a trick on yours truly.
They set up this cool plan where they would fight with Wolverine Alex, who
last month did the hilarious Hulk Hogan\Beer Bath impression. They set it
up that they would fight with Alex, as a joke. When I bit on it, and was
trying to chill them out, they let me in it. So the three of us are
ripping on Al and the plan was, he and Eugie would get so pissed, Eugie
pulls out a gun and "shoots" him and Alex and Dave would get shot and
douse themselves in fake blood. And *everyone* bit on it, except Rick
Scaia who got lucky and asked me if it was angle. I told him to shut up
as it was classic stuff and I did not want it to get ruined. So finally
Gene pulls out the (cap) gun and shoots Alex. Except the piece of junk
doesn't work! It was great trick anyway.
Vin, who was not in it, described it as follows:
"It was an absolute classic. The funniest fucking thing in ECW history.
Other than Alex spilling beer on half the audience last month. You are
some sick fucking people."
We partied some more and went over to get in line, 30 some strong. We
raised hell and had the usual good time, but I am just too damned
drained to write about it all today.
Some interesting highlights from the Lot.
*Paul Perdeus brought me a great book of pictures from the Convention. I
love ya brother.
*Sit down. Brian Socha BROUGHT BEER. He's Hardcore now.
*States there: Illinois, NY, PA, NJ, DC, VA, MA, MD, and OH.
A side note to my brother Eugie, my recorder which fell and was probably
broken, miraculously works again today!
While in line, Tommy Dreamer walked by and rubbed Vin's stomach for luck.
I asked Vin what it was like to have his stomach mean so much. "Very
disturbing" he says. "I'm very frightened."
Alex, the Killer of all beer, did another of his spastic moves and hit my
hand holding the beer, but I did not lose the handle like the wuss last
month.
At 6:25, Eugene got his money's worth.
Septic Tank comes up and tells that though he lives in Salem, NJ, he did
not go to the NWA show there because "it was not worth the walk."
Vin asks when it gets good.
The house was packed. We have fun with all of our mutants. It was a lot
of fun.
Bob Artese tried to give away hats, but we got a lot of people to throw
them back. Finally, he gave up.
This was as rabid a crowd as I have seen in a long time.
Onto Iron Mike's post and my comments.
These are the quick and dirty results:
(1) Mikey Whipwreck def. Jason: surprisingly good match
It was pretty good indeed. Jason was OK, but Mikey was very good. We do
a great "Kick his ass Mikey kick his ass" followed by a "Lick my balls
Jason lick my balls" chant. Mikey was great. He did a lot of cool, hot
moves. He has gotten SO good in the last year. Mikey get the pin with a
flying FrankenRana off the top for the pin. Killer Miker chant.
Bob Artese tried to throw the hat out again. It's thrown back.
Joey Styles comes out. We do a deafening "Oh my God" chant. I see Joel
Gertner joining in. Joey trashes WCW as best I could hear. The sound was
low.
(2) (a) Ron Simmons (Who still really sucks but is working a little)
defeats Hack Myers
We mercilessly do a "you....really suck.....you really suck.....you really
suck..." chant to the Florida State war chant. Hack was OK, and Ron was a
little better than before, but....Ugh.
(b) Simmons badmouths on the mic and Paul E. & 911 come down to
the ring; 911 with two chokeslams on Ron
And life was good!
(c) the Young Dragons in street clothes come down to the ring
to help Ron who then demolishes them (Ron to 911: "It's not
over yet").
Yes it is. Please! :-) Eugie pops big for the angle. Don E. Allen had on
our con shirt.
(3) Generation X Match - Raven & Co vs Tommy Dreamer
(a) Tommy Dreamer defeats Tony "Hitman" Stetson
We do a "he's Hardcore" chant.
(b) Tommy Dreamer defeats Johnny Hotbody
(c) Tommy Dreamer defeats Steve Richards
All the guys were handcuffed to the ringpost and as Dreamer beat one, the
next guy got set free to fight him. While he was fighting Richards, Terry
Funk came out with bolt cutters and set Raven free. He acted like he was
still cuffed to the post.
(d) Raven Polo Flamingo defeats Dreamer who juices a bucket
and is left hanging, handcuffed from the second ringrope.
It will be interesting to see if this makes it to TV.
He attacked an unaware Dreamer pinning him easily. Raven juiced Dreamer
and went too deep. He was bleeding like a pig and needed, I heard, 17
stitches to close the cut. We talked to Tommy after the show, and he
looked bad. He was feeling no pain. He' s a really cool guy.
(4) Two Cold Scorpio vs Dean Malenko (w/Jason) TV title match.
Two Cold mails this one in with some assistance from Taz (in
streetclothes) and becomes new TV Champ. Malenko pissed at
Jason.
I agree with brother Mike. 2 Cold Scorpio took the TV Title from Dean
Malenko in an OK match. Scorpio seems to be in a daze to me lately. He
will wrestle Eddy Guerrero on 4\8.
We did a "Two Cold, N-G-O, Two Cold N-G-O" chant to Scorpio to the tune
of "Bingo was his name-o. There is symbolism.
(5) Strap Match: Axle Rotten defeats Ian Rotten in a Buckets o' Blood
match around the arena.
Axl Rotten beat Ian Rotten in a warped strap match, that's purpose was to
outshine what WCW will show tonight. It was violent and psychotic. And
they bled like pigs. Later they shot an angled where Ian apologizes and
wants to make up, then attacks Axl.
During the match, Ian asked "Who's the man." And Axl does the Hogan
legdrop and the boot to the face. Too funny.
Bob Artese throws the hat out, and a guy throws it back. Bob pulls MONEY
out of the hat. Too funny!
(6) Public Enemy defeat the Pitbulls (w/Jason) in another Buckets o'
Blood match around the arena.
The Public Enemy beat the Pit Bulls in a match to determine who would be
in the three way tag fight on 4\8. Rocco told me this morning it was the
most physically draining match he ever had. And I believe it as it was
incredibly brutal. Lots of blood too.
(7) (a) Scheduled Match: Sabu vs. Marty Jannetty but Jannetty no-showed
and Mikey Whipwreck comes in as a sub. Sabu defeats Mikey via
submission in a very good match
(b) Unscheduled Match: Sabu vs The County a.k.a. 212 (w/ manager
The Giraffe and valet Darling Dave Scherer) No contest when 212
is held back by his manager and valet while Sabu is held back by
Paul E. and 911. I just report them the way I see them.
It will be interesting to see if this makes it to TV.
Since people had NO IDEA what was going on, here is my recap. It was
wild, and crazy. Sabu was supposed to wrestle Marty Jannety, but Marty no
showed. Tod Gordon announced that Sabu would get the win, which of course
Paul E. would not accept. So he sends 911 to the back to find a wrestler
to fight Sabu. We start chanting 212 for our buddy Big Vin, as that is
his new nickname, and we start pointing to him. Suddenly, the whole
damned place is chanting 212 and Sabu gives Vin static. Ends up Mikey is
brought down, and they have a fantastic wrestling match, which Sabu wins
by submission. Afterwards, we start up a 212 chant and Sabu and Paul call
Vin out. And he goes down to the ring. Giraffe and I go down and pretend
to hold him back, and a freaking angle comes out of it! They call Vin out
and he crosses the barrier and doesn't back down. 911 and Taz pull Sabu
away. Paul is loving every minute of it, and all of the sudden, Vin went
from fan to worker. Sabu takes a swipe at Vin and connects lightly. Vin
is stone faced. The scary part about this wasn't the angle itself, which
I was not worried about. It was the scary freaks on the floor who were
urging Vin to get up there in the ring. I know it was because as ECW
fans, they expected it was part of the show, but it wasn't, at least it
wasn't supposed to be. Sabu did nick Vin when he crossed over the rail,
and for a minute or so, it was kind of a scary situation, moreso for the
lunatic fans, who were WAY behind Vin, than anything else. He goes back
to the bleachers to a thunderous ovation and 212 chant. Tod comes out and
they call Vin, who is a BIG man, up to the ring. Tod presents him with
hats and shirts, when Sabu comes running out with 911. Vin, like a
seasoned pro throws the stuff in the air and tells Sabu to "Come on." 911
holds him back and Vin walks back to the bleachers a hero, to another
thundering ovation and hero of the fans. After the show, Tod and Paul
talk to Vin and want him to work for the company. I suggested to Tod that
he is the perfect manager for the Public Enemy for the upcoming three way
match with them, Taz and Sabu, and Benoit and Malenko for tag titles. On
the America Online chat with the Public Enemy this morning, I asked Rocco
Rock about that and he said he'd love to have Big Vinnie in his corner.
Rocco also tells me that some of us fans are as much an attraction as the
wrestlers, which I hear Big Ed agreeing to in the background. I sure as
hell ain't stealing ANY thunder from these hard working guys, but I
appreciate their words. Unbelievable.
(8) Sandman & Terry defeat Cactus Jack & Shane Douglas. Funk
pins Cactus after bringing a flaming branding iron to the
ring, uses it to brand Cactus's chest (while still aflame),
and tries to piledrive Cactus onto the branding iron (while
still aflame). It will be interesting to see if this makes
it to TV.
In the main event, Terry Funk and The Sandman beat Shane Douglas and
Cactus Jack when Funk pinned Jack after he ground him in the chest with a
flaming branding iron. After that, he piledrove him "on" the branding
iron and got the pin. This was also a great, wild match. To me, this
show was the outer limit of how far I like to see psychotic wrestling go.
This was the most rabid card in quite some time, and while I enjoyed it, I
want to see them cut back on the blood a little bit and let their very
talented workers do more in ring stuff. The building is so packed now
(maybe the Observer will say 900 even :-)) that when they go outside and
brawl, I can see a lawsuit in the making and I don't want that to happen.
The 4\8 card has the above two announced matches and is a must see IMO.
They will also be back on 4\15.
We talked to Tod afterward, Vin went in and met with Paul, and Steve
Richards invited us to the bar. My boys wanted to go home (pussies) so
my blood brother Eugie went two hours out of his way to drive me home.
The bar was a freak show man. The Tanks were there, Sign Guy,
Deliverance Boy, Slo Mo Boy, HAwaiin Boy (Who I said "It didn't shock me
to hear you were a postal worker" to) Sluggo, Bowling Ball Boy, The Brown
Nose, and of course, Stanley who was shot down by ever woman in the
place. Almost all of the guys were there and pretty cool. Oh, and the
Grateful Dead was in town and there were Deadhead freaks everywhere.
They made wrestling fans look GOOD. Arizona John went up to Sabu and
asked if me and Gene looked familiar. he shook his head. John says they
were the guys holding the big guy back. Sabu says "You shouldn't have."
There was more, but I'm spent. That's it.
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Rob Hoffmann
dsch...@acy.digex.net (Dave Scherer) wrote:
"*States there: Illinois, NY, PA, NJ, DC, VA, MA, MD, and OH."
You should include Delaware -- a number of us drove through it coming to
Philly from the ACW anti-sellout at Princess Anne, Md. :)
"Mikey was great. He did a lot of cool, hot moves. He has gotten SO good in
the last year. Mikey get the pin with a flying FrankenRana off the top for
the pin."
That FrankenRana... wow. That's all I can say... wow. YWT [You WANT tape].
"(2) (a) Ron Simmons (Who still really sucks but is working a little)
defeats Hack Myers" [Palij] then gets toasted by 911.
This is good. Tod and Paul have finally given up on the idea that Ron
Simmons will ever be over with the fans in Philly, so now he has Simmons make
a run at one of the most popular fan favorites. They are using Ron
correctly, finally...
"While [Dreamer] was fighting Richards, Terry Funk came out with bolt cutters
and set Raven free."
Thus foreshadowing a Funk-Dreamer feud once Terry's done with Cactus and
Shane (if Terry doesn't set a house on fire first).
You didn't mention they (again) teased heat between Richards and Raven, which
I suspect may finally blow up in April.
FlaRavenLo should have stopped when he saw how badly he had carved Dreamer
up... he should've never handcuffed Dreamer to the ropes -- Dreamer was
losing too much blood to risk any delay in getting him away from ringside.
"I agree with brother Mike. 2 Cold Scorpio took the TV Title from Dean
Malenko in an OK match."
Doesn't ANYONE give an allowance for legit injuries anymore? 2 Cold could
barely walk at either the ACW or ECW shows -- give the man credit for making
the effort. I think the match would've been a hell of a lot better if he
hadn't blown his left ankle in Jim Thorpe.
"Afterwards, we start up a 212 chant and Sabu and Paul call Vin out. And he
goes down to the ring. Giraffe and I go down and pretend to hold him back,
and a freaking angle comes out of it! They call Vin out and he crosses the
barrier and doesn't back down. 911 and Taz pull Sabu away. Paul is loving
every minute of it, and all of the sudden, Vin went from fan to worker. Sabu
takes a swipe at Vin and connects lightly. Vin is stone faced. The scary
part about this wasn't the angle itself, which I was not worried about. It
was the scary freaks on the floor who were urging Vin to get up there in the
ring."
Sabu was, simply, a jerk about this. So was Paul if he condoned what Sabu
did. You don't screw around with your fans. Period. Calling ANYONE out of
the audience (except a plant, I suppose) is dead wrong. They were risking a
riot and/or some unstable mutant (ok, that's redundant) charging the ring
behind the action.
After Tod came out and gave Vin the ECW Goodie Bribe Package, there was
absolutely no excuse whatsoever -- and I will ignore any that are made -- for
Sabu to charge the ring with a non-wrestler in it. It was totally
unprofessional, terribly juvenile, and extremely risky. And it was wrong.
ECW is about good wrestling and good ring psychology. It's not about a
lunatic jerk calling out a paying fan and trying to attack him in center
ring. I have lost a great deal of respect for Sabu after this fiasco.
And I'm glad for Vin that he may get to be part of the Triple Dance angle...
but that doesn't make up for the shitty way he was treated by Paul and Sabu.
[Funk/Sandman/Cactus/Shane description removed]
Along the lines of stupid moves, what in the hell was Terry Funk doing with a
flaming branding iron in an arena with 1200 people and 3 exits? One false
move by Funk (or anyone else handling the fire) and ECW Arena would've made
the Cocoanut Grove disaster look like a kid playing with matches. It's funny
-- Dark Cheetah and I agreed, earlier in the day, that Terry Funk normally
knows exactly how far to go (and where to stop) to get a crowd going. Last
night, he proved us wrong -- he is quite capable of going way too far. And
he did.
"This was the most rabid card in quite some time, and while I enjoyed it, I
want to see them cut back on the blood a little bit and let their very
talented workers do more in ring stuff. The building is so packed now
(maybe the Observer will say 900 even :-)) that when they go outside and
brawl, I can see a lawsuit in the making and I don't want that to happen. "
Tod and Paul have to tell the guys that the steel gate around ringside is
uncrossable for a while. There were too many out-of-control crowd shots last
night... Sabu toasting Mikey on a table IN THE CROWD. Cactus and Sandman
wiping out 20 ringside seats on consecutive moves. Axl and Ian trying to
touch all four bleachers instead of all four corners of the ring in the strap
match. And, of course, the Sabu/Vin mess. You're right, Dave -- the lawsuit
is inevitable. Hell, Vin's got one hand in Tod's pocket right now, if he
wants it -- Sabu made contact with Vin! A lot of the guys were VERY sloppy
outside the ring last night. It has GOT to stop.
And it's not only the crowd they need to worry about. It's the 90's. One
does NOT want blood flowing out of control all over the arena -- although we
can hope the wrestlers have been tested for AIDS, it's my understanding that
it is not necessarily the case. If that's so, a bleeding wrestler has no
place in the crowd whatsoever.
On which -- was it my imagination, or were there no gloves on the members of
Damage Control last night? With the amount of blood flowing, gloves
should've been mandatory for the medical team if they aren't already.
Summary: before intermission, this was looking like a fun, well-thought-out
card. After intermission, I'm not sure I want to go back. If Tod and Paul
don't put SOME controls on ECW, someone in the crowd is going to get
seriously hurt, and to make sure it's not me, I'll stop going.
Wrestling's supposed to be fun. Right now, I'm not sure ECW will continue to
be.
Rob "Kill the sign guys but don't kill me" Hoffmann
Eugene Stern
>Tod and Paul have to tell the guys that the steel gate around ringside is
>uncrossable for a while. There were too many out-of-control crowd shots
last
>night... Sabu toasting Mikey on a table IN THE CROWD. Cactus and Sandman
>wiping out 20 ringside seats on consecutive moves. Axl and Ian trying to
>touch all four bleachers instead of all four corners of the ring in the
strap
>match. And, of course, the Sabu/Vin mess. You're right, Dave -- the
lawsuit
>is inevitable. Hell, Vin's got one hand in Tod's pocket right now, if he
>wants it -- Sabu made contact with Vin! A lot of the guys were VERY sloppy
>outside the ring last night. It has GOT to stop.
I really want to emphasize some points not mentioned about last night. The
only reason why Vin got such a pop was due to my brothers and my own
stupidity. We all need to remember that as a fan, we never "really" know
when a wrestler is acting or not. Also as a fan, when you get up from your
seat, and approach the ring due to goading by your friends and by wrestlers
in the ring, you are AUTOMATICALLY accepting responsibility for any harm
done to you. If we, we being myself and other around me, didnt start the
loud pop for Vin, then Sabu would never had recognized him. Furthermore,
Vin didnt realize what he was doing. He let his emotions get the best of
him which led myself, Dave, and Maddog chase into the crowd after him. I
know Vin. I have been friends with him for 10 years. When he gets pissed,
his emotions will control his rational thinking.
Even though I LOVE ECW and everything associated with them because they
have treated us, the fans, really well, I do want to agree with some people
who criticize the fans. When Dave and myself were hanging onto Vin for dear
life, I can remember, at least 3-5 people tugging on me and screaming at me
to let Vin go. The fans for some reason were especially aggressive last
night. Here I was, worried about my friend's well being, and these assholes
are telling me to let him go because they wanted to see Sabu do an Arabian
face buster on Vin. Furthermore, ECW is to blame because the security, aka
Cops moon lighting, let Vin get too close to the ring allowing him to get
hit by Sabu. They are also to blame because they let Vin go over the
barrier. What kind of security is that?
--
"THE GIRAFFE" Eugene Stern
Live from NYC <on weekends only>!--ees...@pipeline.com
Dark Cheetah
>I really want to emphasize some points not mentioned about last night. The
>only reason why Vin got such a pop was due to my brothers and my own
>stupidity. We all need to remember that as a fan, we never "really" know
>when a wrestler is acting or not. Also as a fan, when you get up from your
>seat, and approach the ring due to goading by your friends and by wrestlers
>in the ring, you are AUTOMATICALLY accepting responsibility for any harm
>done to you. If we, we being myself and other around me, didnt start the
>loud pop for Vin, then Sabu would never had recognized him. Furthermore,
>Vin didnt realize what he was doing. He let his emotions get the best of
>him which led myself, Dave, and Maddog chase into the crowd after him. I
>know Vin. I have been friends with him for 10 years. When he gets pissed,
>his emotions will control his rational thinking.
[My contract requires that I state the following: everything below not
preceded by a > is MODO.]
I respect you for wishing to take some of the responsibility for what
occurred, Giraffe. I believe in taking personal responsibility for one's
own actions. (Let me repeat that: one's _own_ actions.)
But as I recall you were not the only persons involved in this incident,
not by a long shot. I think you did what you could to govern your own
actions, and as best you could the actions of Big Vin, once you realized
that this had gone beyond the usual byplay between wrestlers and fans.
>Even though I LOVE ECW and everything associated with them because they
>have treated us, the fans, really well, I do want to agree with some people
>who criticize the fans. When Dave and myself were hanging onto Vin for dear
>life, I can remember, at least 3-5 people tugging on me and screaming at me
>to let Vin go. The fans for some reason were especially aggressive last
>night. Here I was, worried about my friend's well being, and these assholes
>are telling me to let him go because they wanted to see Sabu do an Arabian
>face buster on Vin. Furthermore, ECW is to blame because the security, aka
>Cops moon lighting, let Vin get too close to the ring allowing him to get
>hit by Sabu. They are also to blame because they let Vin go over the
>barrier. What kind of security is that?
Not very good security, I would agree. As to the fans though (and in a
sense this may hold for the police as well), how were they to know that
this was not just another a pre-planned part of the show? How were they
to know Big Vin, fan, is not really Big Vin, plant in the audience and/or
unknown wrestler from another promotion?
I wouldn't blame ECW fans as a whole for what they don't know, Giraffe.
Not knowing is not always the same as not thinking. Remember that we
"smart fans" sitting in the bleachers suffered from exactly the same
confusion as to whether this was a work or a shoot.
FWIW, I am very concerned a) that this was not prearranged beforehand in
any way; b) that it got out of hand so badly; and c) that this may set at
least one (if not several) bad precedent for the future.
As far as points a) and b), I understand that much of this so-called
"angle" was improvisational drama done on the spot by Sabu and/or Paul,
but (aside from the obvious question of whether the incident should have
even happened) there were several key points during the incident that the
situation could-- and IMODO, should-- have been defused without any damage
either to the fans or the promotion.
All of those points were passed, and at some points the emotional tension
worsened, by people who are considered professionals with years in the
wrestling business. People I, at least, had thought would know better
than to taunt a fan in the audience to the point where he _must_ save
face, whether the fan had initally provoked it or not.
Let me ask you this, Giraffe: if the fan in question, instead of being
your friend Big Vin, who had the support and help of his loyal friends,
had been some other fan whom the ECW mutants have made up chants for, such
as "Manson"-- even ones as seemingly harmless as "Stanley" or "Deliverance
Boy"-- what do you think might have happened then?
Would this kind of fan "involvement" have been (apparently) resolved with
so little immediate damage? And what is going to happen the next time a
fan comes out of the audience? If it looks like a fan _can_ cross over
into a part of the wrestling part of the promotion, simply by crossing
over the barriers, where and when does that stop?
I don't mind the crowd's participation in ECW... as a crowd. Any view
needs a viewer, after all, and the ECW crowd is both knowledgeable and
appreciative of the ECW promotion's efforts.
And, just like any crowd that exists long enough, certain portions, even
certain individuals, will become notorious. I am reminded right now of
the former Yankees relief pitcher Sparky Lyle, in _The Bronx Zoo_, talking
about the "characters" in various stadia around the league, individual fans
who seemed to take his existence on the field as some kind of personal
affront. *smile*
But a big difference I see here, Giraffe... is that Sparky Lyle never
tried to get a fan out of the stands and onto the field to brawl, and
never threw a ball at a fan... not even off-speed stuff at twenty paces.
*smile*
IMODO, this incident should never have happened in the first place, and I
think the ultimate responsibility still rests with the wrestling part of
the ECW promotion. They are "the business" we are not. They are supposed
to be in control of the show; wrestling, security, and yes, even the fans
are their ultimate responsibility. They hire the wrestlers, they hire the
security, and they give the fans the best show they can.
[Since I used "ultimate" twice in the last paragraph, I am required by my
contract to work in "perfect" once in the next one. So there.]
I do not expect them to be absolutely perfect in what they do, but given
ECW wrestling's past history of concern for the feelings of ECW fans I do
expect ECW to admit, learn from, and try to correct mistakes. Up until
now, I felt they had done so.
But from what I have seen SO FAR of the explanation/compensation offered
by ECW (and all I know of that comes _solely_ from what was reported in
Dave Scherer's show recap; I have, as yet, seen no _official_ statement
posted by someone affiliated with ECW, such as Ed Zohn), I do not feel AS
YET that ECW has dealt directly with what I see as the main point: how
and why did the ECW wrestling promotion not manage to avoid this incident
altogether, and what can they do in the future to avoid its repetition?
And until I see proof that ECW is addressing _that_ point directly, I
worry that an incident like this will happen again, and someone--fan,
wrestler, or promotion as a whole-- will get hurt. Speaking as an ECW
fan, Giraffe, does this possibility bother you?
Because I'm a fan of ECW too, you see... and it does bother me.
[Again, it's in my contract... I have to say this... the above is all MODO.
But it may also be a Legitimate Big Deal.]
Dark Cheetah
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"I see what I see. I hear what I hear. Then, I make up my mind."
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Ray Duffy
In a previous posting, Rob Hoffmann (rob...@richmond.infi.net) writes:
> In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950319...@acy1.digex.net>,
> dsch...@acy.digex.net (Dave Scherer) wrote:
>
> the last year. Mikey get the pin with a flying FrankenRana off the top for
> the pin."
I think Mikey has proved that he deserves cheers not because he's got some
moves, not just because he was the ultimate underdog.
> Thus foreshadowing a Funk-Dreamer feud once Terry's done with Cactus and
> Shane (if Terry doesn't set a house on fire first).
> You didn't mention they (again) teased heat between Richards and Raven, which
> I suspect may finally blow up in April.
The other Lurkers Locos and I thought Richards might make the save for
Dreamer, instead he just ended up being Raven's coatcheck boy.
> Doesn't ANYONE give an allowance for legit injuries anymore? 2 Cold could
> barely walk at either the ACW or ECW shows -- give the man credit for making
> the effort. I think the match would've been a hell of a lot better if he
> hadn't blown his left ankle in Jim Thorpe.
Well, I was really disappointed in the match, but knowing that Scorpio was
injured at least gives a reason why he wasn't doing his high spots.
[Re: Big Vin]
> Sabu was, simply, a jerk about this. So was Paul if he condoned what Sabu
> did. You don't screw around with your fans. Period. Calling ANYONE out of
> the audience (except a plant, I suppose) is dead wrong. They were risking a
> riot and/or some unstable mutant (ok, that's redundant) charging the ring
> behind the action.
>
> After Tod came out and gave Vin the ECW Goodie Bribe Package, there was
> absolutely no excuse whatsoever -- and I will ignore any that are made -- for
> Sabu to charge the ring with a non-wrestler in it. It was totally
> unprofessional, terribly juvenile, and extremely risky. And it was wrong.
> ECW is about good wrestling and good ring psychology. It's not about a
> lunatic jerk calling out a paying fan and trying to attack him in center
> ring. I have lost a great deal of respect for Sabu after this fiasco.
I was a bit confused. When it started, it seemed like it was a joke.
Sabu looked like he was goofing around at first. I thought Paul E. was
just busting chops, I thought Vin was joking too and the bums were
playing like they were hold him back. That was until Sabu took a
kick a Vin. I was expecting was that Paul E. was going to talk trash and
jokingly have Sabu and 911 hold him back, then just drop it or shake
Vin's hand and leave. I don't know if Sabu was having a bad night or was
just being a dickhead, because I thought it was wrong for him to 1.) push
a fan when he was setting Mikey up on the table 2.) Kick at Vin over the
railing and the cops and 3.) Charge back after Gordon let Vin in the ring.
> -- Dark Cheetah and I agreed, earlier in the day, that Terry Funk normally
> knows exactly how far to go (and where to stop) to get a crowd going. Last
> night, he proved us wrong -- he is quite capable of going way too far. And
> he did.
Yeah, I thought the flaming branding iron was a bit overboard.
Considering the fact they lighted it up BEHIND THE CURTAIN wasn't to
bright. I was very afraid Terry was going to piledrive cactus on the
flaming part of the iron.
> "This was the most rabid card in quite some time, and while I enjoyed it, I
> want to see them cut back on the blood a little bit and let their very
> talented workers do more in ring stuff. The building is so packed now
> (maybe the Observer will say 900 even :-)) that when they go outside and
> brawl, I can see a lawsuit in the making and I don't want that to happen. "
Was it just me or did it seem like the barrier on the bums' side of the
ring in closer? Of course, it might have been moved up from someone
getting run into it. I also think things should stay at ringside because
of a bunch of reasons (possible fans getting injured, the possible riot
with Sabu swinging at a fan). Or of they do come in the crowd, try to stay
out of the bleachers as you've really got no place to go up there except off
the back. On the floor, you've got a little more room to run away. And
if you go give them the green, only let one or two matches go over. As
far as the juice, I hope they cut back too... and I really hope they don't
do an Axl/Ian glass fist match.
> Rob "Kill the sign guys but don't kill me" Hoffmann
I hope you don't mean my group. We admittedly were green with signs. If
we come back, and decide to do signs, we will have less and smaller signs.
--
Ray Duffy, MiSTy #38729, Rev. of ULC, Internet F**khead, Friday Observer
The opinions of Ray Duffy do not necessarily reflect those of anyone
else on the planet.... Member of "Los Lurkers Locos"
"I've had enough of you, Todd Pettingil!" - Sandman to Joey Styles - ECW TV
Elliott Wong
>On which -- was it my imagination, or were there no gloves on the members of
>Damage Control last night? With the amount of blood flowing, gloves
>should've been mandatory for the medical team if they aren't already.
The Damage Control crew did have gloves on for all of their
efforts - Dreamer, Cactus, Axl. And they did have the mop up crew come
out during the intermission to clean up after Dreamer gushed a bucket.
But I've been down to the Arena 4 times now, and I've always been
displaced by the end of the card. There have always been brawls going all
over the arena and I think Dory and Johnny brawled out to the parking lot
last June (Hostile City Showdown), and of cours in the same match, Terry
and Rocco made it up to the eagles' nest.
I don't condone action going into the stands, but I've come to
accept that as part of the Arena etiquette. Is it dangerous? You bet.
Elliott
Brian Socha
: guys, and Eugie (the Giraffe), had decided to play a trick on yours truly.
: They set up this cool plan where they would fight with Wolverine Alex, who
: last month did the hilarious Hulk Hogan\Beer Bath impression. They set it
: up that they would fight with Alex, as a joke. When I bit on it, and was
: trying to chill them out, they let me in it. So the three of us are
: ripping on Al and the plan was, he and Eugie would get so pissed, Eugie
: pulls out a gun and "shoots" him and Alex and Dave would get shot and
: douse themselves in fake blood. And *everyone* bit on it, except Rick
: Scaia who got lucky and asked me if it was angle. I told him to shut up
: as it was classic stuff and I did not want it to get ruined. So finally
: Gene pulls out the (cap) gun and shoots Alex. Except the piece of junk
: doesn't work! It was great trick anyway.
I bit on this for about 2 seconds (as did almost everyone in the parking
lot). All I was thinking is *WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING?* I'm real glad the
psycho cop didnt happen to walk by and see Eugene pulling out a gun. It was
funny though.
: *Paul Perdeus brought me a great book of pictures from the Convention. I
: love ya brother.
Paul is WAY cool!
: *Sit down. Brian Socha BROUGHT BEER. He's Hardcore now.
After you said you'd have a heart attack if I brought it, I couldnt resist
:). Good beer at that!
: Vin asks when it gets good.
And some local tv show (or the news) was filming the crowd. This got a great
"Me Want Tape" chant going. The cameraman wisely blew us all off.
: This was as rabid a crowd as I have seen in a long time.
It was the loudest crowd I've ever heard.
: Onto Iron Mike's post and my comments.
: These are the quick and dirty results:
: (1) Mikey Whipwreck def. Jason: surprisingly good match
: It was pretty good indeed. Jason was OK, but Mikey was very good. We do
: a great "Kick his ass Mikey kick his ass" followed by a "Lick my balls
: Jason lick my balls" chant. Mikey was great. He did a lot of cool, hot
: moves. He has gotten SO good in the last year. Mikey get the pin with a
: flying FrankenRana off the top for the pin. Killer Miker chant.
Mikey's been looking real good lately (except the tag match last card).
And he *did* notice the shirt Mary had on (thanks to Iron Mike) was the same
one he was supposed to get for her. His facial expressions are priceless.
: Joey Styles comes out. We do a deafening "Oh my God" chant. I see Joel
: Gertner joining in. Joey trashes WCW as best I could hear. The sound was
: low.
I think the crowd was just too loud.
: (2) (a) Ron Simmons (Who still really sucks but is working a little)
: defeats Hack Myers
: We mercilessly do a "you....really suck.....you really suck.....you really
: suck..." chant to the Florida State war chant. Hack was OK, and Ron was a
: little better than before, but....Ugh.
Simmons does NOT like us.
: (b) Simmons badmouths on the mic and Paul E. & 911 come down to
: the ring; 911 with two chokeslams on Ron
: And life was good!
Simmons actually got a slam and a few stiff punches in on 911 first.
Everyone was going "Oh no!!!! Not this!" Luckily 911 restored our belief in
right over wrong. :)
: Yes it is. Please! :-) Eugie pops big for the angle. Don E. Allen had on
: our con shirt.
Where did Don E. get a shirt? He is *so* small. About 5'4".
: (3) Generation X Match - Raven & Co vs Tommy Dreamer
: (a) Tommy Dreamer defeats Tony "Hitman" Stetson
: We do a "he's Hardcore" chant.
Because he *is* hardcore. :) Stetson asks the ref "What are they saying?"
The ref tells him and he yells to us "I'm hardcore too!!!".
: (d) Raven Polo Flamingo defeats Dreamer who juices a bucket
: and is left hanging, handcuffed from the second ringrope.
: It will be interesting to see if this makes it to TV.
: He attacked an unaware Dreamer pinning him easily. Raven juiced Dreamer
: and went too deep. He was bleeding like a pig and needed, I heard, 17
: stitches to close the cut. We talked to Tommy after the show, and he
: looked bad. He was feeling no pain. He' s a really cool guy.
This was real gory. Paul did a "Oh God!" right after Raven cut him. It was
close to 2.0 Muta as P.Stein has said. It looked right out of a Faces of
Death movie. I'm not sure why Dreamer wouldnt blade himeself.
: (4) Two Cold Scorpio vs Dean Malenko (w/Jason) TV title match.
: Two Cold mails this one in with some assistance from Taz (in
: streetclothes) and becomes new TV Champ. Malenko pissed at
: Jason.
: I agree with brother Mike. 2 Cold Scorpio took the TV Title from Dean
: Malenko in an OK match. Scorpio seems to be in a daze to me lately. He
: will wrestle Eddy Guerrero on 4\8.
This match wasnt too bad. But with Scorpio and Malenko, it shouldve been a
whole lot better.
: (5) Strap Match: Axle Rotten defeats Ian Rotten in a Buckets o' Blood
: match around the arena.
: Axl Rotten beat Ian Rotten in a warped strap match, that's purpose was to
: outshine what WCW will show tonight. It was violent and psychotic. And
: they bled like pigs. Later they shot an angled where Ian apologizes and
: wants to make up, then attacks Axl.
I loved this. I've heard a bunch of people complaining about it. I thought
it was great. Some pretty good humor too. And I really believed that they
were going to get back together and go to Japan as a team. I was marking out
bigtime.
: Bob Artese throws the hat out, and a guy throws it back. Bob pulls MONEY
: out of the hat. Too funny!
I think it was a 50. Whats funny is the crowd is chanting "Throw it back" to
the guy who gets it. Then when they see the money that start a "sucker"
chant. I love this crowd.
: (6) Public Enemy defeat the Pitbulls (w/Jason) in another Buckets o'
: Blood match around the arena.
: The Public Enemy beat the Pit Bulls in a match to determine who would be
: in the three way tag fight on 4\8. Rocco told me this morning it was the
: most physically draining match he ever had. And I believe it as it was
: incredibly brutal. Lots of blood too.
This was a lot better than I thought it would be. PE can work with anyone
and the Bulls didnt look too bad. Some pretty good moves by everyone. And
once again I was marking out thinking the Bulls might win and it'll become a
4 way tag match in April. The pop for PE is amazing when they come out.
: (7) (a) Scheduled Match: Sabu vs. Marty Jannetty but Jannetty no-showed
: and Mikey Whipwreck comes in as a sub. Sabu defeats Mikey via
: submission in a very good match
This was great. I talked to Mikey afterwards and he was all excited about
the match. At the con her said he'd love to be able to do more Sabu-type
moves. He had his chance here as he did a few of Sabu's patented chair
moves.
: (b) Unscheduled Match: Sabu vs The County a.k.a. 212 (w/ manager
: The Giraffe and valet Darling Dave Scherer) No contest when 212
: is held back by his manager and valet while Sabu is held back by
: Paul E. and 911. I just report them the way I see them.
: It will be interesting to see if this makes it to TV.
Sabu was getting pissed that Vin was getting a bigger pop than him. And the
entire building was chanting 2-1-2. And most had no idea what 212 meant. Vin
is so cool. You couldnt have planned a more perfect angle (if this one wasnt
entirely planned). I was watching Tod up in the back and he was loving it.
Vin is WAY OVER!! I hope he gets to manage the PE on the 8th.
: to the bleachers to a thunderous ovation and 212 chant. Tod comes out and
: they call Vin, who is a BIG man, up to the ring. Tod presents him with
: hats and shirts, when Sabu comes running out with 911. Vin, like a
: seasoned pro throws the stuff in the air and tells Sabu to "Come on." 911
: holds him back and Vin walks back to the bleachers a hero, to another
: thundering ovation and hero of the fans. After the show, Tod and Paul
This was a great way to get Vin over again. The way he threw the shirts and
stuff was perfect. I hope this makes tv because I'd never laughed so hard in
my life. But on the flipside, I can picture Manson(tm) trying it next show
and getting his ass kicked.
: (8) Sandman & Terry defeat Cactus Jack & Shane Douglas. Funk
: pins Cactus after bringing a flaming branding iron to the
: ring, uses it to brand Cactus's chest (while still aflame),
: and tries to piledrive Cactus onto the branding iron (while
: still aflame). It will be interesting to see if this makes
: it to TV.
This was insane. And I loved it. Funk knows how to work a crowd better than
anyone. And no one mentioned the Woman turn-tease at the end when Jack was
lying in the ring. She was standing there and staring in horror and Sandman
had to come and drag her back to the dressing room.
: iron and got the pin. This was also a great, wild match. To me, this
: show was the outer limit of how far I like to see psychotic wrestling go.
: This was the most rabid card in quite some time, and while I enjoyed it, I
: want to see them cut back on the blood a little bit and let their very
There really wasnt all that much blood if you dont count Dreamer. Sandman
didnt bleed. Douglas didnt. I dont think Jack or Funk did. Only 1 of the
Pitbulls. So it wasnt as bad as I've seen. Then again , I did try to start
an IWA chant at the end as a joke because it was so insane.
: talented workers do more in ring stuff. The building is so packed now
: (maybe the Observer will say 900 even :-)) that when they go outside and
: brawl, I can see a lawsuit in the making and I don't want that to happen.
This is true.
: The 4\8 card has the above two announced matches and is a must see IMO.
: They will also be back on 4\15.
I'll be back. A few of the people reported here that it was too much and
went overboard and may not return. IMHO it was the best card I've seen
there. And thats saying something after the 2/4 show. I loved it and was
kept guessing all night as to what was going to happen.
And thats really what its all about. Having a good time, letting out some
internal agression by yelling my lungs out (ask Dave) and just cutting
loose.
-brian
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* bso...@infi.net * needed lyrics, he'd kick your *
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Eric Tennant
says...
:(1) Mikey Whipwreck def. Jason: surprisingly good match
:
:It was pretty good indeed. Jason was OK, but Mikey was very good. We do
:a great "Kick his ass Mikey kick his ass" followed by a "Lick my balls
:Jason lick my balls" chant. Mikey was great. He did a lot of cool, hot
:moves. He has gotten SO good in the last year. Mikey get the pin with a
:flying FrankenRana off the top for the pin. Killer Miker chant.
Mikey has really surprised me, too. As I said at the Arena, he must be a good worker
if he can carry Jason.
:Joey Styles comes out. We do a deafening "Oh my God" chant. I see Joel
:Gertner joining in. Joey trashes WCW as best I could hear. The sound was
:low.
I really enjoyed his comment of "WCW censor THIS!"
:All the guys were handcuffed to the ringpost and as Dreamer beat one, the
:next guy got set free to fight him. While he was fighting Richards, Terry
:Funk came out with bolt cutters and set Raven free. He acted like he was
:still cuffed to the post.
A good job of setting up future angles/opponents. I'm looking forward to some
Dreamer/Funk matchups.
:(7) (a) Scheduled Match: Sabu vs. Marty Jannetty but Jannetty no-showed
As one of the others in the bleacher bum section, I know that there were a bunch of us
who were wondering at the time if this was a work or a shoot (Suspension of disbelief
at it's finest). And, yeah, the whole arena crowd was behind Big Vin. I have read
other posts that have been down on ECW for what occurred. But I look at this in my own
jaded way, I suppose. You see, I want to believe that Paul E. knew what he was doing
the whole time. Paul E. knows that section of the audience, as it is probably the most
well known group of fans in the world. I want to believe that he was just working the
situation for all it's worth and that, just as I didn't see Sabu connect on Big Vin as
he did, maybe Paul E. missed that,too, as it took only a fraction of a second to
happen. It is unfortunate that Big Vin was hit, and I do think that it was
unnecessary. But, I'll tell you that as a fan, I was enjoying the situation big time.
I also thought that it was actually pretty classy for Tod to bring Big Vin into the
ring and give him the ECW shirts and hats. But, again, while I hear others say they
think it was wrong for Sabu to charge the ring, you may notice that 911 just *happened*
to be there to stop him. My own opinion is that it was a perfect run-in situation for
Sabu. If Big Vin were to back down, he looks good. If Big Vin stays, as he did, 911
was there to make it look as though he were being held back. From the booker/promoter
point of view it would seem like the perfect impromptu/no-lose angle.
Don't get me wrong. I didn't want Big Vin to get hurt. I like Big Vin. He amkes me
laugh half the night with his wit. But I also loved the whole angle, which again I say
had me suspending disbelief as to whether it had been arranged ahead of time or it was
just something that was happening. I thought Big Vin was just having fun, as it didn't
seem out of character for him to play up to something like that.
:There was more, but I'm spent. That's it.
Dave's right, there was a lot more. I only wish that I could do it justice. That's
why I was one of the one's begging Dave to do an Arena report because he gets the
excitement that is experienced to really come out in his reports.
I had the greatest time fo my wrestling-fan life. I'm lucky to be here in the
Philadelphia area and to have met up with the Bleacher Bums. It's the greatest
wrestling in the country with the greatest fans in the country.
Eric
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Michael Morris
My $.02 on the ECW Arena show Saturday night:
*I was sitting on the edge of the Bleacher Bum section, and had no idea
what was going on during the Big Vin angle. When they announced Marty's
no-show, I thought announcing him for the show was a work to introduce a
major star into the promotion. (In fact, there was a "mighty" star with
"can-do spirit" behind the curtain along with his lovely wife/manager.)
When the 212 chant started, I thought we were being worked and that Vin
had already been in talks with Todd and Paul. My eyes bugged out and I
thought something serious was happening when Sabu started yelling at Vin,
as his English was perfect for a native Syrian. :) Then, after Sabu did
the run-in when Vin got the goodies, I thought it was a work again, as
Vin's flop/dive out of the ring looked too perfect in its execution to be
a spur of the moment occurrence, and I didn't figure they'd let Sabu get
a shot at one of the Bums.
*One advantage to sitting on the edge of the Bums: you get to interact
with other people in the crowd. There were 2 guys next to me & Rick who
looked pretty OK (late high school/early college age) and talked to them
briefly. One had AOL access, but had never seen RSPW. Unfortunately, I
forgot their names, but if you're reading this, E-mail me.
Sitting in front of Rick & I were two cherub-faced brothers, aged 14 & 10.
I was able to do a quick survey of their opinions of pro-wrestling, and
got the following results:
Both preferred ECW to WWF & WCW. The reason? No blood in the big 2.
One preferred WWF to WCW (he liked Adam Bomb & Duke Droese); the other
preferred WCW to WWF. The only reason he could come up with was Alex
Wright, upon which his brother called him a faggot. I told the younger
one that older brothers have to bust their little brothers' chops about
stuff like that, but that little brothers can bust the older brothers
right back. Goading on the little one for secrets about his brother, the
littler one replied "pot" and told me to smell his jacket by the left
breast pocket. Seeing as how the kid hadn't reached puberty yet, I have
to agree with him.
Since I haven't turned my back on match ratings yet (it must be the jaded
rock-critic wannabe inside of me), I'd just like to toss out the
following for the post-intermission half of the card:
Public Enemy vs. Pitbulls: ****1/4
Sabu vs. Mikey: ***** (and to paraphrase Jesse, I don't give out 5 stars
easy)
Shane/Cactus vs. Funk/Sandman: ****1/2
Sandman's legdrop off the top rope onto Cactus (who had a chair sitting
on his face) was absolutely insane. Probably more insane than the
grating (literally) Sandman got the night before. How good was the main
event? Woman rated about ******1/2 in her outfit and I didn't notice her
once the match started until they teased her save of the singed Cactus.
After taking the 309 crew to the train station (did you catch the train,
guys? Pete--check out the Congressional Record highlights for 1956.
Look up "Interstate Highway Act". :)) we went to the Holiday Inn.
Chatted up Hack & Steve Richards (one hell of a nice guy), both of whom
asked me the silliest question of the night: "So, did you like the
show?" Terry Funk made an appearance, and I got his autograph while he
was telling stories to the mangiest cast of characters I've ever been
surrounded by in my life. Oh yeah--I'd like to go on record as saying
that Herb is 110% correct about Septic Tank. I told Terry what a
pleasure it was to see him in ECW as my only in-person experience with
him before was at Havoc last year. Terry said, "Well, you don't even
know half of the story." Before another word could get out of his mouth,
Septic starts ripping on WCW Uncensored at such loud volume that Terry
completely forgets about the rest of his response to my comment.
What a hell of a weekend... If Perdeus actually posts something, I'll
have more to add, especially on Jim Thorpe and the wonders of downtown
Lehightown PA. Until then...
Michael Morris mmo...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Always she sparkles... her eyes seem to be on "bright". Her manner is
infectious, and her spirit is as warm as sunshine. She has got to be the
gol-darnedest woman you ever saw. Her name... Monarch." -D. Goodbody
Dave Scherer
It's funny, someone once questioned Eugie's intelligence to me in an
email. I laugh at that person.
>I really want to emphasize some points not mentioned about last night. The
>only reason why Vin got such a pop was due to my brothers and my own
>stupidity. We all need to remember that as a fan, we never "really" know
>when a wrestler is acting or not. Also as a fan, when you get up from your
>seat, and approach the ring due to goading by your friends and by wrestlers
>in the ring, you are AUTOMATICALLY accepting responsibility for any harm
>done to you.
Absolutely right. We were as much to blame as anyone. WE chanted for
Vin, and incited the crowd. We got him caught up in the spirit of the
moment. And we, Eug and myself were complet morons for letting him leave
the bleachers in the first place. You can jaw with the guys all you
want, but you *can't* show them up. By going down to ringside, we would
have been deserved in getting our asses kicked if it happened.
Luckily, Paul knows me, and my brothers, and once it started, he booked
it on the fly because he thought\knew we would not go to far. This would
*NOT* have been done with anyone else in the building.
>If we, we being myself and other around me, didnt start the
>loud pop for Vin, then Sabu would never had recognized him.
I won't go that far! Vin is a hard man to miss. What really happened
was, during the match Paul thought of the angle. Remember before the
match, when a certain nitwit lifted Vin's shirt, Sabu played it as
commedy and begged off.
>Furthermore,
>Vin didnt realize what he was doing. He let his emotions get the best of
>him which led myself, Dave, and Maddog chase into the crowd after him. I
>know Vin. I have been friends with him for 10 years. When he gets pissed,
>his emotions will control his rational thinking.
And it will also effect the rational thinking of the three above
mentioned nitwits. Quad threat indeed.
To be honest, my main fear was not Sabu or 911, (in fact I knew they
working all along as Paul was doing major communicating through eye
contact) but rather the psychotic weasels pushing us to let Vin go. We
never can let that kind of thing happen again.
>Even though I LOVE ECW and everything associated with them because they
>have treated us, the fans, really well, I do want to agree with some people
>who criticize the fans. When Dave and myself were hanging onto Vin for dear
>life, I can remember, at least 3-5 people tugging on me and screaming at me
>to let Vin go.
I practically pushed Dreads over two chairs when he started pushing me.
As he got up, I said "knock it off you asshole" and it seemed like he
thought that until then it was a pre-rehearsed angle. After that, he
chilled.
All in all, it was a too wild scene that in the end was OK, but I never
want to see played out again.
--
Dave Scherer
> I don't condone action going into the stands, but I've come to
>accept that as part of the Arena etiquette. Is it dangerous? You bet.
The Arena has become so jam packed that there simply is nowhere for them
to brawl outside like there used to be. It does have to stop too,
because someone, who ain't Vin, is gonna get hurt and that will suck for
all concerned.
They need to keep the action in the barricades, and they, sadly, need to
start running at a bigger building in Philly. There were people waiting
in the ticket line at 4pm. The time has come for a new, bigger home.
--
Dave Scherer
>"I agree with brother Mike. 2 Cold Scorpio took the TV Title from Dean
>Malenko in an OK match."
>Doesn't ANYONE give an allowance for legit injuries anymore? 2 Cold could
>barely walk at either the ACW or ECW shows -- give the man credit for making
>the effort. I think the match would've been a hell of a lot better if he
>hadn't blown his left ankle in Jim Thorpe.
He has been dogging it so bad the last few shows that I won't cut him any
slack!
>Sabu was, simply, a jerk about this. So was Paul if he condoned what Sabu
>did. You don't screw around with your fans. Period. Calling ANYONE out of
>the audience (except a plant, I suppose) is dead wrong. They were risking a
>riot and/or some unstable mutant (ok, that's redundant) charging the ring
>behind the action.
I half agree. This has to be the first\las\only time this happens
because of how incited the crowd got. But, keep in mind that Paul knows
us, and that he was standing next to Sabu working the angle. If you want
to blame someone from ECW, blame Paul. IMO, it is not fair though as a
lot of us were equally dimwitted about it. Also keep in mind if that fan
had come from any other part of the building, the whole thing would not
have gone anywhere. A lot of the fans had loved Vin's antics before that
anyway, and they got way behind him during this.
>After Tod came out and gave Vin the ECW Goodie Bribe Package, there was
>absolutely no excuse whatsoever -- and I will ignore any that are made -- for
>Sabu to charge the ring with a non-wrestler in it. It was totally
>unprofessional, terribly juvenile, and extremely risky. And it was wrong.
STOP! It was purely an angle then. On his worst day, Sabu could outrun
Big Al. They were just getting Vin over more. Tod was right next to
him! We saw Sabu at the hotel and he laughed about it. We even offered
Eugie as a sacrifice.
>ECW is about good wrestling and good ring psychology. It's not about a
>lunatic jerk calling out a paying fan and trying to attack him in center
>ring. I have lost a great deal of respect for Sabu after this fiasco.
Please rethink this.Remember, he is a worker, working. Remember that
before the match, he laughed and begged off from Vin. And remember that
the booker was standing right there telling him what to do.
>[Funk/Sandman/Cactus/Shane description removed]
>Along the lines of stupid moves, what in the hell was Terry Funk doing with a
>flaming branding iron in an arena with 1200 people and 3 exits? One false
>move by Funk (or anyone else handling the fire) and ECW Arena would've made
>the Cocoanut Grove disaster look like a kid playing with matches. It's funny
Wait a sec. The ring was obviously fire retardent, as the iron laid in
the ring a lot. The building is made of cinder blocks. And Funk is a
pro. Really, other than themselves, the only think they could have burnt
was the curtains to the dressing room, and I watched Funk cup them so
that did not happen.
>-- Dark Cheetah and I agreed, earlier in the day, that Terry Funk normally
>knows exactly how far to go (and where to stop) to get a crowd going. Last
>night, he proved us wrong -- he is quite capable of going way too far. And
>he did.
I disagree. He did not book the match.
>And it's not only the crowd they need to worry about. It's the 90's. One
>does NOT want blood flowing out of control all over the arena -- although we
>can hope the wrestlers have been tested for AIDS, it's my understanding that
>it is not necessarily the case. If that's so, a bleeding wrestler has no
>place in the crowd whatsoever.
I agree. I don't want them bleeding me. I think the action in that
building, which they have simply outgrown, has to stay in the barricades
for everyone's sake.
>Summary: before intermission, this was looking like a fun, well-thought-out
>card. After intermission, I'm not sure I want to go back. If Tod and Paul
>don't put SOME controls on ECW, someone in the crowd is going to get
>seriously hurt, and to make sure it's not me, I'll stop going.
I would not go *that* far. Overall, the show was excellent IMO, but
concerns have arisen.
>Wrestling's supposed to be fun. Right now, I'm not sure ECW will continue to
>be.
It still is for me. I know what you mean, and I respect your feelings,
but I will be there for the three way no questions asked.
--
Dave Scherer
>My $.02 on the ECW Arena show Saturday night:
>surrounded by in my life. Oh yeah--I'd like to go on record as saying
>that Herb is 110% correct about Septic Tank. I told Terry what a
Hold on Thar Babalooie. Septic was not at the hotel. Sherman was. And
so was his brother, Panzer (The guy who had the beard and looked like the
Wolfman. My guess it was Sherman, aka, Sarge.
--
Dark Cheetah
>In a previous posting, Rob Hoffmann (rob...@richmond.infi.net) writes:
>> Doesn't ANYONE give an allowance for legit injuries anymore? 2 Cold could
>> barely walk at either the ACW or ECW shows -- give the man credit for maki
>> hadn't blown his left ankle in Jim Thorpe.
>
>Well, I was really disappointed in the match, but knowing that Scorpio was
>injured at least gives a reason why he wasn't doing his high spots.
What I know of that: [Hey, I'm defending Scorpio against my boy Malenko,
so you know this must be legit on my part! *grin*]
Robster, MadDog and I were all at the ACW show way, WAY down on the
Eastern Shore of Md. earlier in the day. There were only 50 people at
Tawes Gym, possibly due to a combination of local good weather and bad
advertising. But the wrestlers-- mostly ECW regulars, with a couple
pulled in from the Essex MEWF promotion-- still delivered a solid show
despite the small crowd.
[The extent of my ACW show report, I think, except to mention that: a) Axl
and Ian worked their feud match in Md. as a comedy spot with no blood, and
were _very_ funny; and b) I got to see Dean Malenko _twice_ in one day as
an unexpected bonus substitute for Douglas in the afternoon. That made up
for Benoit being in Japan this card... almost. *smile*]
Scorpio was teamed with Ron Simmons against the Goodfellas. 2 Cold limped
in noticeably, and then aggravated the leg later. He rolled out onto the
apron in a move that seemed to have very little to do with the script and
a lot to do with a legit injury.
At that point, there was no reason for him to play injured (remember, he
had to carry all three other wrestlers in that ring as it was *grin*) not
even as an excuse for the evening wrestling, since only lunatics would have
made both shows! :)
Yeah, Scorpio has a bad rep for dogging it, and there may be valid reasons
for that. The times _I've_ seen him live, in the last year, he's worked
very hard. IMODO, he did what he could on a bad wheel.
Unfort, it looks like the booking called for Malenko to drop the strap to
Scorpio _that night_, and they couldn't let the injury hold that part of
the booking up. It might have been better to sell the injury and then
demand a rematch when healthy (well, healthier); Scorpio does have enough
reputaion for innate talent to make that believable, though he still might
be accused of dogging it the first match. *shrug* Like he's being now.
Generally, it seems that the great ECW "technical" match is booked right
before intermission, which was where Malenko/Scorpio was placed. If
Scorpio had been healthy and worked up to potential, this could easily
have been the top match on the card. Instead, Mikey/Sabu stole the
show... in more ways than one.
CactusB
As far as the card, (IMHO) it was the best live show I have been to in the
ECW Arena.
The matches were great although I wish they would keep it in the ring a
little more. The Big Vin "angle" was incredible and I truly believed it
was set up ahead of time until I was later told it was not. Vin handled
the entire thing like a pro, right down to the throwing the merchandise
out to the crowd when Sabu tried the run in.
I hope he is in P.E.s corner on the 8th.
As for Funk and the fire. Dave is right, Terry is a pro and the chances of
anything catching on fire was fairly small.
Until the 8th.
Cactusb
Brett A. Schwan
Rob Hoffmann
dsch...@acy1.digex.net (Dave Scherer) wrote:
>I half agree. This has to be the first\las\only time this happens
>because of how incited the crowd got. But, keep in mind that Paul knows
>us, and that he was standing next to Sabu working the angle. If you want
>to blame someone from ECW, blame Paul.
Can I half agree with your half-agreement, and if so, is it now a
quarter-agreement? Seriously, Paul should've found another way out. As has
been said, if Manson or the Tanks charge the ring in April, we now know
why...
>STOP! It was purely an angle then. On his worst day, Sabu could outrun
>Big Al. They were just getting Vin over more. Tod was right next to
>him! We saw Sabu at the hotel and he laughed about it. We even offered
>Eugie as a sacrifice.
[Alright, I lied - I won't ignore this excuse <grin>] It wasn't an angle to
Vin at that point. It was foolhardy, at best.
>Please rethink this.Remember, he is a worker, working. Remember that
>before the match, he laughed and begged off from Vin. And remember that
>the booker was standing right there telling him what to do.
Still... Sabu let it get too far. Sorry, Dave, I respect his work, but not
him. Not right now.
>Wait a sec. The ring was obviously fire retardent, as the iron laid in
>the ring a lot. The building is made of cinder blocks. And Funk is a
>pro. Really, other than themselves, the only think they could have burnt
>was the curtains to the dressing room, and I watched Funk cup them so
>that did not happen.
I guess I should explain I have a terrible fear of fire (long story,
completely off-topic). Maybe I overreact to any show of fire in a crowded
building because of that fear, so take it for what it's worth. Again, it was
the wrong time -- the place was too over-the-top and they seemed a bit
careless with where the branding iron was going.
>I agree. I don't want them bleeding me. I think the action in that
>building, which they have simply outgrown, has to stay in the barricades
>for everyone's sake.
Amen. If they move to another arena, where there is more room, they can go
back to playing outside the barricades. RIGHT NOW, for crowd-control and
damage-control purposes, the wrestling has to stay inside the gates.
>It still is for me. I know what you mean, and I respect your feelings,
>but I will be there for the three way no questions asked.
Funny thing is... if I weren't going to be in Florida that week, I might have
gone to one of the two April cards. I will still give the Arena one more
chance before I give up on ECW. But long-term, I still have my misgivings.
If you can manage to subtract the Sabu/Paul/Vin mess (and my fears about
fire), it was still a hell of a lot better than anything WCW has done in
years, and several notches better than "the Best RAW Ever". Of course, I
want to see more... but safely.
Rob "kill the sign guys" Hoffmann
P.S. to the Right Rev. Ray -- no, I wasn't referring to you in my sorta-sig.
Ask Scherer about my appearance at the January ECW Arena show. :)
morris michael
>Michael Morris <mmo...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:
>>My $.02 on the ECW Arena show Saturday night:
>>surrounded by in my life. Oh yeah--I'd like to go on record as saying
>>that Herb is 110% correct about Septic Tank. I told Terry what a
>Hold on Thar Babalooie. Septic was not at the hotel. Sherman was. And
>so was his brother, Panzer (The guy who had the beard and looked like the
>Wolfman. My guess it was Sherman, aka, Sarge.
You are right, and I am wrong, big fella. Someone told me it was Septic,
and not having anything to work on from the past, I believed him. Mea culpa!
--
Sam 1999
Sabu? Funk playing with fire? Dreamer blades for a full 2.0?? A show so
wild, even the Bleacher Bums have to say ECW has gone *too far*?????
Please tell me I didn't miss anything and the last three days' posts were
a work. Wake me up ma, I'm having one o' them bad dreams
agaiiiinnnnnn!!!!!!!
Sam
Aaron Woolfolk
How many people out there think as I do that Bob Backlund has proven
himself to be one of the biggest talents in the sport. Of course, there's
his technical wrestling skill, which has always been top-notch.
But what I'm talking about now is his character. The man is awesome!! I
mean, do people realize that at one time, Backlund was the face's face?! He
was probably one of the biggest goody two-shoes in the history of the
sport! Back in the 70's and 80's he was promoted as a super nice man who
frowned at bending the rules even in the slightest. It's people like
Backlund who made me a mark back in my teenage years -- I just couldn't
believe that someone as honest and polite as Backlund could possibly
participate in a sport that was "fake". (Between Backlund and Rick
Martel, no one could tell me that wrestling was anything but legit). I
wrote to Bob once after reading that he reads every letter, and he wrote
back. (Sure, he included a merchandise catalogue, but he wrote me a
personal note responding to my letter. I still have it somewhere in my
parent's home). To me, Backlund was the best example IN ALL OF SPORT of
how an athelete should conduct himself.
Fast forward to the present. Now, MR. Bob Backlund is the heel's heel. In
fact, there's something about his performance that seems to go beyond
that of the regular heels -- Backlund's on a different level from guys
like Jeff Jarrett and Jerry Lawler. Even in this era of wrestling where
there's less heat toward heels not that the mystery of the sport's
legitimacy is no longer there, Backlund still seems to draw significant
ire. Hell, if Backlund was doing this during the "is it real/is is fake"
years, he'd have brought the arena down.
I don't think there's any better example of a wrestler making such an
extreme turn -- from the purest of faces to the absolute far side of
being a heel. Most turns stay within range of the dividing line (ie. there's
really not much difference between the face Tatanka and the heel Tatanka.
One smiles and says nice things, the other frowns and says not-so-nice
things. Even the face Piper wasn't so different from the heel Piper). But
Backlund's turn is like the difference between brightest day and
darkest night. Look at the Backlund of the early 70's/80's and the
Backlund of today, and you see two totally different characters.
I'm rooting for Shawn to win the WWF title at Wrestlemania XI. But I can't
help thinking that we were all robbed of an extremely entertaining
heel-Backlund run as WWF champion. Even if Bob doesn't win the IC title
on RAW, I hope he at least gets that belt soon.
- Aaron
P.S. I finally saw the Backlund/NYPD Blue spot that everyone's been raving
about. And I have to agree that it's one of the most hilarious of
skit-type spots I've ever seen. It ranks up there with Ted Dibiase on
"Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous".
Elliott Wong
>The Arena has become so jam packed that there simply is nowhere for them
>to brawl outside like there used to be. It does have to stop too,
>because someone, who ain't Vin, is gonna get hurt and that will suck for
>all concerned.
But know what? In every promotion, there's a heckler. There's
some guy taunting the player/boxer/wrestler but it's not played up to the
extent that it was done on Saturday. Perhaps it *is* because Paul, etal.
"knows" the Bleacher Mutts that he escalated it, but the hope is that he
also knows that the character of the rabid fans in the ECW arena will
call for 2-1-2 and he cannot know what Big Vin is going to do.
As for the size of the arena, I was there for Holiday Hell II and
one of the scariest things that I've been involved in was when PE came
out to jaw with Manson. Both Rocco and Johnny grabbed chairs and started
waving them. I was standing right behind them. If they pulled the chairs
back just a little bit further, it would've been me. Tried moving? Sure,
but I was jammed between a mess of people and the circle seemed to
tighten. No fear, just folks looking for a good fight... wherever they
might find it.
>They need to keep the action in the barricades, and they, sadly, need to
>start running at a bigger building in Philly. There were people waiting
>in the ticket line at 4pm. The time has come for a new, bigger home.
A bigger arena goes a long way. Keeping it in the ring ain't that
bad, is it? Or at least within the guard rails. Oh, right. One of those
made it *into* the ring. :-)
MrECW on helping to dismantle the guard rail: "Anything for a spot."
It's a great show that can use some reform.
Elliott
Dark Cheetah
>Michael Morris <mmo...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:
>
>>My $.02 on the ECW Arena show Saturday night:
>
>>surrounded by in my life. Oh yeah--I'd like to go on record as saying
>>that Herb is 110% correct about Septic Tank. I told Terry what a
>
>Hold on Thar Babalooie. Septic was not at the hotel. Sherman was. And
>so was his brother, Panzer (The guy who had the beard and looked like the
>Wolfman. My guess it was Sherman, aka, Sarge.
Then that must be a hallmark of being a Tank Brother, Dave. I can't speak
for Panzer yet, but apparently I was sitting one person over from Septic
(when I asked another Internet Fuckhead, "who IS that idiot?" that's who I
was told it was) during the show. And yes, Herb is absolutely right about
him. He _is_ the kind of person who would chant "Sabu" for no good reason
at all. His sense of topic and timing is impeccable...
... impeccably bad, that is.
So no, Herb, we're _not_ all like the Tank Brothers.
Some of us are worse. *sly Cheetah smile*
Dave Scherer
>Oh my god, did I ever pick a bad weekend to have to work. Big Vin vs.
>Sabu? Funk playing with fire? Dreamer blades for a full 2.0?? A show so
>wild, even the Bleacher Bums have to say ECW has gone *too far*?????
They did not go to far, they went to the edge. There is a difference.
>Please tell me I didn't miss anything and the last three days' posts were
>a work. Wake me up ma, I'm having one o' them bad dreams
>agaiiiinnnnnn!!!!!!!
I told you to stay.
Dave Scherer
>dsch...@acy1.digex.net (Dave Scherer) writes:
>>The Arena has become so jam packed that there simply is nowhere for them
>>to brawl outside like there used to be. It does have to stop too,
>>because someone, who ain't Vin, is gonna get hurt and that will suck for
>>all concerned.
> But know what? In every promotion, there's a heckler. There's
>some guy taunting the player/boxer/wrestler but it's not played up to the
>extent that it was done on Saturday. Perhaps it *is* because Paul, etal.
>"knows" the Bleacher Mutts that he escalated it, but the hope is that he
>also knows that the character of the rabid fans in the ECW arena will
>call for 2-1-2 and he cannot know what Big Vin is going to do.
That is exactly why he did it. MAnson would have gotten blown off. Vin
is one of us, and Paul knew it. He was telling the cops "it's OK"
throughout the whole thing. I honestly believe that 95% of the fans
thought the whole thing was set up beforehand. Hell, my *good* friends
did not believe me when i told them it wasn't.
> As for the size of the arena, I was there for Holiday Hell II and
>one of the scariest things that I've been involved in was when PE came
>out to jaw with Manson. Both Rocco and Johnny grabbed chairs and started
>waving them. I was standing right behind them. If they pulled the chairs
>back just a little bit further, it would've been me. Tried moving? Sure,
>but I was jammed between a mess of people and the circle seemed to
>tighten. No fear, just folks looking for a good fight... wherever they
>might find it.
On 2\5\94, the Bruise Bros came up to me, on the floor, and said "Gimme
your chair." I laughed and one of them said "Gimme your mother fucking
chair." He was serious, so I did. He wound that chair up and almost
knocked me down. I know what you mean!
>>They need to keep the action in the barricades, and they, sadly, need to
>>start running at a bigger building in Philly. There were people waiting
>>in the ticket line at 4pm. The time has come for a new, bigger home.
> A bigger arena goes a long way. Keeping it in the ring ain't that
>bad, is it? Or at least within the guard rails. Oh, right. One of those
>made it *into* the ring. :-)
Heh heh. They can keep it in the barricades, save one match with say,
the PE, every now and then. I have no problem with it because it will
keep a lawsuit from happening.
Dave Scherer
>Then that must be a hallmark of being a Tank Brother, Dave. I can't speak
>for Panzer yet, but apparently I was sitting one person over from Septic
>(when I asked another Internet Fuckhead, "who IS that idiot?" that's who I
>was told it was) during the show. And yes, Herb is absolutely right about
>him. He _is_ the kind of person who would chant "Sabu" for no good reason
>at all. His sense of topic and timing is impeccable...
Oh man, you are being way to hard on Septic. What is the big deal? He
bought his ticket. He is having fun in his own way. He was right near
me and I did not notice him being out of line at all.
>... impeccably bad, that is.
>So no, Herb, we're _not_ all like the Tank Brothers.
>Some of us are worse. *sly Cheetah smile*
I sure as hell must be, because he surely did not seem that bad to me.
Rick Scaia
In a previous posting, Michael Morris (mmo...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) writes:
> My $.02 on the ECW Arena show Saturday night:
>
> *I was sitting on the edge of the Bleacher Bum section, and had no idea
> what was going on during the Big Vin angle. When they announced Marty's
> no-show, I thought announcing him for the show was a work to introduce a
> major star into the promotion. (In fact, there was a "mighty" star with
> "can-do spirit" behind the curtain along with his lovely wife/manager.)
> When the 212 chant started, I thought we were being worked and that Vin
> had already been in talks with Todd and Paul. My eyes bugged out and I
> thought something serious was happening when Sabu started yelling at Vin,
> as his English was perfect for a native Syrian. :) Then, after Sabu did
> the run-in when Vin got the goodies, I thought it was a work again, as
> Vin's flop/dive out of the ring looked too perfect in its execution to be
> a spur of the moment occurrence, and I didn't figure they'd let Sabu get
> a shot at one of the Bums.
Never, ever, did it occur to me that this was a pre-planned angle.
At the time, I felt like we *may* have crossed over some invisible
line and were maybe looking at potential trouble, mainly cuz Sabu
was the guy in the ring. But in retrospect, having Paul E. there,
knowing he was "booking on the fly" (meaning he trusted our type
of fan to make the right kinds of choices), and just experiencing
how quick the crowd got behind "2-1-2" even though they didn't know
what they were chanting makes me feel pretty safe that nothing
crossed the line about the incident. Yeah, it was unplanned and just
a bit scary... but that's exactly how good pro wrestling should feel.
I can understand if Dave and Eugene have other feelings, as they were
at Ground Zero. But for the other 1200 people in the building, this
was great fun.
> *One advantage to sitting on the edge of the Bums: you get to interact
> with other people in the crowd. There were 2 guys next to me & Rick who
> looked pretty OK (late high school/early college age) and talked to them
> briefly. One had AOL access, but had never seen RSPW. Unfortunately, I
> forgot their names, but if you're reading this, E-mail me.
I think they were 2 "J" names. For some reason, John and Jesse are
sticking in my head. If you're out there, say "Hi" to everyone, kids.
You could do far worse in finding people to sit around... like the
two wussies Mike mention next:
> Sitting in front of Rick & I were two cherub-faced brothers, aged 14 & 10.
> I was able to do a quick survey of their opinions of pro-wrestling, and
> got the following results:
These guys were just pathetic. On one hand, yes, they did like ECW,
they were marks, and they were into it. But man, they really must
have come wading in from the shallow end of the gene pool, cuz I
don't think either elevator reached to top floor if you know what I mean.
In addition to the impromptu wrestling survey Mike took (and the
bizzare answers he got), these guys just totally failed to get into
the spirit of the show. I literally had to scare them into grabbing
a chair and holding it up during the PE/PB brawl (they wanted to cower
a couple rows behind me, instead). At one point, after the Ian/Axl
strap match, one of the bros took his watch off and started smacking
himself with the leather strap. Then he asked if any of the four of
us (me, Mike, the two other dudes) could stand a lot of pain. Wierd
cats, man.....
> right back. Goading on the little one for secrets about his brother, the
> littler one replied "pot" and told me to smell his jacket by the left
> breast pocket. Seeing as how the kid hadn't reached puberty yet, I have
> to agree with him.
I missed this incident. But seeing as how *both* brothers would shoot
me pissy looks when I lit a cigarette, I doubt this story as well.
It's just the sort of thing my little bro would say about me, and I'd
never carry pot in my left breast jacket pocket to wrestling.
> What a hell of a weekend... If Perdeus actually posts something, I'll
> have more to add, especially on Jim Thorpe and the wonders of downtown
> Lehightown PA. Until then...
I'm with you, buddy. Till then, I will not even mention the matches.
Although those were very good, as well. Heh heh.
Later...
--
Rick Scaia | "I am a lost soul, I shoot myself
Why? Because I can. | with rock 'n' roll... nothing
ag...@freenet.carleton.ca | else can set me free." -GBV
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Elliott Wong
>is one of us, and Paul knew it. He was telling the cops "it's OK"
>throughout the whole thing. I honestly believe that 95% of the fans
>thought the whole thing was set up beforehand. Hell, my *good* friends
>did not believe me when i told them it wasn't.
I had to do a double take myself and thought to myself, "This is
Dav'es friend Big Vin... Naahhh, it *can't* be." :-)
Well played, but still kind of dangerous, imho.
>On 2\5\94, the Bruise Bros came up to me, on the floor, and said "Gimme
>your chair." I laughed and one of them said "Gimme your mother fucking
>chair." He was serious, so I did. He wound that chair up and almost
>knocked me down. I know what you mean!
That's no fun, Dave. Let's keep it inside the barricades! :-)
>Heh heh. They can keep it in the barricades, save one match with say,
>the PE, every now and then. I have no problem with it because it will
>keep a lawsuit from happening.
Yeah, a good PE brawl would be good. But just one, please. And I
wouldn't mind seeing someone being lowered from the eagle's nest again. :-)
Elliott
Eugene Stern
to add to this whole "Is it a work or is it Memorex?" debate.
First off...to all those who werent paying attention: IT WAS REAL!
But I can understand not knowing it is was or not, especially after the
shit Alex, Big Dave and myself did in the parking lot before the show.
That, as you know, was fake. But it was good dammit.
Vin is a great guy who loves wrestling just like the rest of us. But he was
a bull seeing red. Before Sabu hit him, he was joking with it. But after
that shot, it was no more fun 'n games. Simple as that.
As for the <excuse my french, but these guys deserve it> DICKHEADS sitting
ringside, fuck 'em. ECW Fans are great, but sometimes, it gets to your
head. And unfortunately, the guys in the front have small heads and still
think that Santa Claus is real. God. I mean how stupid can you be. I just
cant say anymore than that.
Back into the forest of the Poconos I go.
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-The New York Chapter of "BINGO MUTTS" at ECW
-MASR -- Mutants Against Star Ratings -- It's Good For Your Health!
-Manager for the newest ECW sensation, "2-1-2" Big Vin.
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