RON SIMMONS in wwf
WhahooChop
I like Savatore Sincere's gimmick
carnage
o.k everybody is verry happy that ron simmons is coming to the wwf.and
everybody thinks he will kick ass.but what if he came to the wwf with a
lame gimmick.given macmorons'recent antics:salvadore sincere,p.l hopper
and so forth..i am very pesimistic about ron simmons' debut in the
wwf.what if he became the second coming of akeem the african dream????
oh well,just some toughts...... -CARNAGE
Michael Rimpel
carnage <grzelak@.generation net> wrote:
Yep the WWF has a bad habit of giving Black wrestlers a very stupid
stereotypical gimmick. Thats the main reason I like WCW, there you don't have
to shuck and jive to be a good wrestler. Vince and his organization might be
borderline racist.
Michael Rimpel
ri...@worldnet.att.net
Michael Rimpel
Drummer Boy <satt...@pond.com> wrote:
>> Yep the WWF has a bad habit of giving Black wrestlers a very stupid
>> stereotypical gimmick. Thats the main reason I like WCW, there you don't have
>> to shuck and jive to be a good wrestler. Vince and his organization might be
>> borderline racist.
>>
>> Michael Rimpel
>> ri...@worldnet.att.net
>Which black wrestlers have had stereotypical gimmicks? Can't say Ahmed
>Johnson, he has no gimmick! Tony Atlas, Rocky Johnson? I don't think
>they had gimmicks at all. Virgil, he was a bodyguard, thats not a bad
>gimmick. Diesel and Sid were both bodyguards. Bad News Brown, that
>wasn't a sterotypical gimmick. In fact, it wasn't really even a
>gimmick. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Men on A
>Mission.
>--
>Jeff "Drummer Boy" Satterfield
Papa Shango
Men on a Mission
Virgil
Koko b Ware
I could go on but I think I've proved my point.
Michael Rimpel
ri...@worldnet.att.net
Daniel Sager
Also have to remember that WCW has the oh so not steryotypical Harlem
Heat and Sister Sherri.
Jamie LaBrash
Drummer Boy (satt...@pond.com) wrote:
> > Yep the WWF has a bad habit of giving Black wrestlers a very stupid
> > stereotypical gimmick. Thats the main reason I like WCW, there you don't have
> > to shuck and jive to be a good wrestler. Vince and his organization might be
> > borderline racist.
> >
> > Michael Rimpel
> > ri...@worldnet.att.net
> Which black wrestlers have had stereotypical gimmicks? Can't say Ahmed
> Johnson, he has no gimmick! Tony Atlas, Rocky Johnson? I don't think
> they had gimmicks at all.
Never heard of Saba Simba?
Virgil, he was a bodyguard, thats not a bad
> gimmick. Diesel and Sid were both bodyguards. Bad News Brown, that
> wasn't a sterotypical gimmick.
No. Not at all. I don't think a street thug who gives the black power
sign at the end of his match stereotypical.
> In fact, it wasn't really even a
> gimmick. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Men on A
> Mission.
What about Junkyard Dog? Or Koko B. Ware? Or Slick?
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Drummer Boy
Rich In KC wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Jul 1996 15:11:49 -0400, Drummer Boy <satt...@pond.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In fact, it wasn't really even a
> >gimmick. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Men on A
> >Mission.
>
> Two words : Saba Simba.
>
> Rich in KC
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Drummer Boy
WhahooChop wrote:
>
> I like Savatore Sincere's gimmick
Me to, it's a mix between Rick Martel and J.T. Smith(Long live the
F.B.I.!!!!). But the other gimmicks(except for Porteau) pretty much
suck.
Rich In KC
Drummer Boy
> Yep the WWF has a bad habit of giving Black wrestlers a very stupid
> stereotypical gimmick. Thats the main reason I like WCW, there you don't have
> to shuck and jive to be a good wrestler. Vince and his organization might be
> borderline racist.
>
> Michael Rimpel
> ri...@worldnet.att.net
Which black wrestlers have had stereotypical gimmicks? Can't say Ahmed
Johnson, he has no gimmick! Tony Atlas, Rocky Johnson? I don't think
they had gimmicks at all. Virgil, he was a bodyguard, thats not a bad
gimmick. Diesel and Sid were both bodyguards. Bad News Brown, that
wasn't a sterotypical gimmick. In fact, it wasn't really even a
gimmick. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Men on A
Mission.
--
Lowe Andrew
>
> o.k everybody is verry happy that ron simmons is coming to the wwf.and
> everybody thinks he will kick ass.but what if he came to the wwf with a
> lame gimmick.given macmorons'recent antics:salvadore sincere,p.l hopper
> and so forth..i am very pesimistic about ron simmons' debut in the
> wwf.what if he became the second coming of akeem the african dream????
> oh well,just some toughts...... -CARNAGE
>
>
No knocking Akeem the African Dream...from deepest darkest Chicago :P
Mike
jorge l fernandez
: >o.k everybody is verry happy that ron simmons is coming to the wwf.and
: >lame gimmick.given macmorons'recent antics:salvadore sincere,p.l hopper
: >and so forth..i am very pesimistic about ron simmons' debut in the
: >wwf.what if he became the second coming of akeem the african dream????
: >oh well,just some toughts...... -CARNAGE
: Yep the WWF has a bad habit of giving Black wrestlers a very stupid
: stereotypical gimmick. Thats the main reason I like WCW, there you don't have
: to shuck and jive to be a good wrestler. Vince and his organization might be
: borderline racist.
you forget the Luger/Simmons/Harley Race angle apparantly, but that's
ok. you were too busy thinking about all those rascist things Vince has
done, right?
i think Ron Simmons will enter the WWF as....Ron Simmons. maybe an added
nickname a la Stone Cold Steve Austin, but Ron Simmons is too recognizable
a face. it's been years since Vince gave us Tony Atlas as Saba Simba and
we have to stop giving him flack for giving known wrestlers ridiculous
gimmicks. he's gotten better at that. Johnny Gunn becomes Salvatore the
fake italain and Tony Anthony becomes the plumber (which isn't too
bad...gotta love the voice) because while i may know who Johnny Gunn and
Tony Anthony are and you may, they aren't household names. Tony Anthony
may have done just fine in the WWF as the Dirty White Boy, but try to make
Johnny Gunn anything but a jobber as Johnny Gunn.
Bob Barnett
Ron Simmons couldn't draw heat with matches. Without Butch Reed
he was a snoozer. Without juice, he had Dusty's "B" cups. He bombed
in ECW. Maybe Vince will make him a 1930's railroad porter.
carnage
Daniel Sager <sager...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Also have to remember that WCW has the oh so not steryotypical Harlem
>Heat
Dave Harvey
sign at the end of his match stereotypical.
>
gimmick. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Men on A
Mission.
>
And Akeem! :)
dh
vi...@virtualnoise.com
Drummer Boy <satt...@pond.com> wrote:
>Rich In KC wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 14 Jul 1996 15:11:49 -0400, Drummer Boy <satt...@pond.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In fact, it wasn't really even a
>> >gimmick. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Men on A
>> >Mission.
>> >--
>>
>> Two words : Saba Simba.
>>
>> Rich in KC
>I knew I forgot someone!
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>the Cable Guy
>"I'm just anxious to get up there and kick ET's @$$!"-Will Smith,
>Independance Day
>"I'm A Maniac, Maniac on the Floor! Chris Farley...Tommy Boy-
>*ssnnnniiiiiiiifff* Bluedust aka The Blue Meanie
well , I think everyone forgot Saba Simba
Doug Roussel
: > > to shuck and jive to be a good wrestler.
: > > Vince and his organization might be
: > > borderline racist.
: > Which black wrestlers have had stereotypical gimmicks? Can't say Ahmed
: > Johnson, he has no gimmick! Tony Atlas, Rocky Johnson? I don't think
: > they had gimmicks at all.
: What about Junkyard Dog? Or Koko B. Ware? Or Slick?
Neither JYD nor Koko B. Ware were WWF-created gimmicks. Both were using
the same gimmicks for years in the indies and UWF before entering WWF,
and continued with the same gimmicks after leaving. If the wrestlers
themselves have no problems with playing the roles they played, and
both had large followings of black fans, what's the big deal?
Doug
Doug
Matt Norris
bishop
Matt Norris wrote:
>
> Doug Roussel wrote:
> >
> > : > > to shuck and jive to be a good wrestler.
> > : > > Vince and his organization might be
> > : > > borderline racist.
> > : > >
> > : > Which black wrestlers have had stereotypical gimmicks? Can't say Ahmed
> > : > Johnson, he has no gimmick! Tony Atlas, Rocky Johnson? I don't think
> > : > they had gimmicks at all.
> >
> > : What about Junkyard Dog? Or Koko B. Ware? Or Slick?
> >
> > Neither JYD nor Koko B. Ware were WWF-created gimmicks. Both were using
> > the same gimmicks for years in the indies and UWF before entering WWF,
> > and continued with the same gimmicks after leaving. If the wrestlers
> > themselves have no problems with playing the roles they played, and
> > both had large followings of black fans, what's the big deal?
Koko B. Ware never used the birdman gimmick until he got to the WWF.
Doug Roussel
I wrote:
: > > Neither JYD nor Koko B. Ware were WWF-created gimmicks. Both were using
: > > the same gimmicks for years in the indies and UWF before entering WWF,
: > > and continued with the same gimmicks after leaving. If the wrestlers
: > > themselves have no problems with playing the roles they played, and
: > > both had large followings of black fans, what's the big deal?
bishop (lpbu...@starbase.louisville.edu) wrote:
: Koko B. Ware never used the birdman gimmick until he got to the WWF.
Well, the question was whether it was racist for Vince to use "black
stereotype characters" such as Koko B. Ware. Whether Vince embellished
the character by having him bring Frankie ringside with him before
matches, Koko essentially was the same character before going to WWF.
Koko still uses the "Birdman" gimmick today in the indies, which leads me
to believe that Vince didn't create the gimmick, because he usually licenses
all WWF created gimmicks for exclusive use by Titan. But anyway, I could
almost swear that KBW used the same bit, sans Frankie, in Mid-South/UWF
before arriving in WWF. He used the "bird" theme music, flapped him arms,
and the whole bit. And by no means is the character a racist stab at black
people, as some seem to imply.
Doug
Dan Danka
In article <31EFC9...@BIGDAWG.cba.uga.edu>, Matt Norris <996...@BIGDAWG.cba.uga.edu> wrote:
>> I agree on most except for using the great Tony Atlas as Saba Simba.
The one cool thing I remember reading in PWI (the mark mag) was a
suggestion that "Simba" stood for See I'm Making Bucks Again!
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