In article <31AA4B...@pond.com> Jeff Satterfield wrote:
>Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 20:40:32 -0400
>From: Jeff Satterfield <satt...@pond.com>
>Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
>Subject: What? Huh? IT'S RAZOR!!!
>
>Razor's on Nitro, he waltzes in on the debut match. He appeared
to be
>on the WWF's side! He looked like Razor, he talked like Razor, he
made
>fun of all WCW, he did motions like Razor, he even had a
toothpick!
>Larry and Tony are acting like they have no idea what's going on,
so
>does the ref. Is it me or does this look like something the WWF
>planned? I'm pretty sure it's an angle and a cheif rip-off of
Hall's
>WWF gimmick. But it's making me think that it was originally
planned
>for Hall to walk in, but what he did was not what was supposed to
>happen! He said he had a challenge later on in the card, I'm
going to
>tape the rest of Nitro to find it out!
Mark mark mark MARK MARK MARK!!!! It is Razor, and it is a fucking
angle, and WWF has nothing to do with it
!!!
> Mark mark mark MARK MARK MARK!!!! It is Razor, and it is a fucking
> angle, and WWF has nothing to do with it
> !!!
It is obviously an angle, any idiot can see that. But this is a great
one. WCW actually came up with a good idea. Razor and Diesel come
in, "defending the WWF" and totally get destroyed, jobbing to everyone.
This will make the marks think that WCW is better. Believe me when I
say that this is the closest we will ever get to an inter-promotional
fued between these two. It's been a very long time since I have said
this, but I'll say it now: 'Good job WCW' Wow, I haven't said that
since 1989. Oh wait a minute, that doesn't count. In 1989, I said
'Good job NWA' for the Funk-Flair fued. I guess that is the first
time I said 'Good Job WCW' I won't be surprised if it's the last.
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>Mark mark mark MARK MARK MARK!!!! It is Razor, and it is a fucking
>angle, and WWF has nothing to do with it
>!!!
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>>Jeff Satterfield
This can be a great angle if they play it right. I think it could
attract marks and smarts alike. Bischoff finally does something big
to get back for the Billionaire Ted skits and basically challenges
Vince to keep the "war" in the ring. If Eric plays this right, he
will tease Razor pulling a shoot when he takes on the three WCW stars.
I hope Bischoff chooses three talents and not three caricatures like
Hogan and Savage. My choice would be : The Gambler, Billy Kiddman,
and Buddy Lee Parker of the State Patrol. To have the man who holds
the record for most IC championships to lose to three jobbers would be
hysterical. Seriously tho, I would probably have to choose Benoit,
The Giant, and Sting.
Simon Jester
> Razor's on Nitro, he waltzes in on the debut match. He appeared to be
> on the WWF's side! He looked like Razor, he talked like Razor, he made
> fun of all WCW, he did motions like Razor, he even had a toothpick!
> Larry and Tony are acting like they have no idea what's going on, so
> does the ref. Is it me or does this look like something the WWF
> planned? I'm pretty sure it's an angle and a cheif rip-off of Hall's
> WWF gimmick.
No, you ARE sure it's an angle. You don't waltz into a WCW ring unless
someone in WCW has given an OK to it, or you'll be tasting heavy
security. But wouldn't it be nice if it WERE true...
> But it's making me think that it was originally planned
> for Hall to walk in, but what he did was not what was supposed to
> happen! He said he had a challenge later on in the card, I'm going to
> tape the rest of Nitro to find it out!
The aforementioned "confrontation" (doncha think if the situation was
real, Bischoff would be a LITTLE more angry? C'mon!) raises a couple
VERY interesting questions.
1) If advance word had Hall facing Hogan, how come Hall never mentioned
him?
2) Who is "we" (other than a veiled reference to the "Clique", of
course)?
3) What will this do for Diesel's projected "Glacier" gimmick?
4) What would happen if WWF fans starting coming to WCW cards and
cheered the hell for Hall? (Yeah, I know, consumers are consumers, but
I'd still think it would be funny as hell.)
5) Hall is gonna job to everyone in WCW with a pulse, right?
P.S. "At WCW, we ALWAYS have back-up equipment." We know he couldn't
leave it alone....
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>>Razor's on Nitro, he waltzes in on the debut match. He appeared to be
>>on the WWF's side! He looked like Razor, he talked like Razor, he made
>>fun of all WCW, he did motions like Razor, he even had a toothpick!
>>Larry and Tony are acting like they have no idea what's going on, so
>>does the ref. Is it me or does this look like something the WWF
>>planned? I'm pretty sure it's an angle and a cheif rip-off of Hall's
>>WWF gimmick. But it's making me think that it was originally planned
>>for Hall to walk in, but what he did was not what was supposed to
>>happen! He said he had a challenge later on in the card, I'm going to
>>tape the rest of Nitro to find it out!
Um... no offense, Jeff, but how obvious does a work have to be? Why
do you think Bischoff has been insisting for weeks there was no deal
with Hall when there obviously was one? So you don't think Hall was
supposed to say what he said -- but you're paying attention to the
next hour of Nitro to find out what his challenge is? And you don't
think Bischoff might just have wanted that reaction?
By the look on Oakhead's face after the interview, it seemed like Regal
was shooting at least a little bit. But why was he yelling for Sting?
Didn't Sting just beat him twice on TV? Am I reading too much into this?
>Razor's on Nitro, he waltzes in on the debut match. He appeared to be
>on the WWF's side! He looked like Razor, he talked like Razor, he made
>fun of all WCW, he did motions like Razor, he even had a toothpick!
>Larry and Tony are acting like they have no idea what's going on, so
>does the ref. Is it me or does this look like something the WWF
>planned? I'm pretty sure it's an angle and a cheif rip-off of Hall's
>WWF gimmick. But it's making me think that it was originally planned
>for Hall to walk in, but what he did was not what was supposed to
>happen! He said he had a challenge later on in the card, I'm going to
>tape the rest of Nitro to find it out!
Do you really think that they would have even kept the camera on him
in the ring or let him him even NEAR the announcers table at the end
if it wasn't a work? I think this may become a pretty cool angle
..
Brad
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I know it was Razor you idiot! I was saying that it appeared that he was doing
something than otherwise planned. I was pretty sure the WWF had nothing to do with it,
a brilliant angle by Bischoff, but its going to get old, fast! My god, how many times
have you repeated a grade? I marked out, but I'm not a mark!
That's how I'm seeing it also. I know Vince isn't going to be to happy about it. But,
Hall and probably Nash with someone else will job to all of WCW's wrestlers so that
Bischoff can say he's #1 again, which he isn't and never has been, and so the mark
magazines can say he's #1 again, which he isn't and never has been. But Hall saved a
pitiful Nitro!
The look on Gene's face leads me to believe there was something more going
on than meets the eye. Remember the rumors about people being unhappy
with the $$$ Hall and Nash are getting.
DCroz
Agreed
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>Shawn Michaels: The next Hulk Hogan? I don't think so!
>Go Orioles! 27-20 1/2 game out
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YES!!!!!!!!!!! Soon that 1/2 game out will turn into a 5 game lead;-)
My two cents...
Bairman
Best line from Nitro -- Hall/Razor: "The Stinger; I'n so scayred..."
> In article <31AA4B...@pond.com> Jeff Satterfield wrote:
> >
> >Razor's on Nitro, he waltzes in on the debut match. He appeared
> to be
> >on the WWF's side! He looked like Razor, he talked like Razor, he
> made
> >fun of all WCW, he did motions like Razor, he even had a
> toothpick!
> >Larry and Tony are acting like they have no idea what's going on,
> so
> >does the ref. Is it me or does this look like something the WWF
> >planned? I'm pretty sure it's an angle and a cheif rip-off of
> Hall's
> >WWF gimmick. But it's making me think that it was originally
> planned
> >for Hall to walk in, but what he did was not what was supposed to
> >happen! He said he had a challenge later on in the card, I'm
> going to
> >tape the rest of Nitro to find it out!
>
> Mark mark mark MARK MARK MARK!!!! It is Razor, and it is a fucking
> angle, and WWF has nothing to do with it
I almost marked out myself when I heard the accent...but two things...
one, no security to get rid of him quickly and quietly, and two, he has
(rather, -anyone has-) yet to refer to him as Razor, the Bad Guy, etc...
he's got the mannerisms, toothpick, even did the signal for the Edge, but
they haven't called 'im Razor. And he hasn't called HIMSELF Razor yet.
His only self-identication was "Most of you know who I am, and you know why
I'm here."
I have to agree with the rest of the messages I read in that this angle is
only setting Hall up to be a JTTS...at least as long as he keeps the
pseudoRazor character...
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"If kisses could kill, that one would've flattened several small towns."
> 1) If advance word had Hall facing Hogan, how come Hall never mentioned
> him?
Hogan's untouchable. Even the "Alliance to End Hulkamania" never dared to
badmouth him, just threaten him.
> 2) Who is "we" (other than a veiled reference to the "Clique", of
> course)?
Kevin Nash is readily apparent, and since Hall referred to three WCW
wrestlers (notice he didn't have a goofy name for Sting), I'm guessing
Hakushi -- this Blood Runs Cold thing is great for promos, but why
waste an opportunity to shoot on the WWF?
> 3) What will this do for Diesel's projected "Glacier" gimmick?
Eventually, Bischoff's going to have to refer to them as something
besides "him" and "that guy." Maybe the Glacier thing will be used
anyway. Or perhaps they're repackaging Loch Ness. Let's face it --
"Glacier" would be the most apt name for the guy.
> 4) What would happen if WWF fans starting coming to WCW cards and
> cheered the hell for Hall? (Yeah, I know, consumers are consumers, but
> I'd still think it would be funny as hell.)
Same as when Hogan gets booed or Vader gets cheered -- the announcers
ignore it and it gets dubbed over for playback.
> 5) Hall is gonna job to everyone in WCW with a pulse, right?
Yes. He'll also job to Kevin Sullivan.
> P.S. "At WCW, we ALWAYS have back-up equipment." We know he couldn't
> leave it alone....
You have to admit, this was one of Bischoff's better digs. Spur of the
moment, subtle, and he barely punched it at all.
>> 3) What will this do for Diesel's projected "Glacier" gimmick?
>Eventually, Bischoff's going to have to refer to them as something
>besides "him" and "that guy." Maybe the Glacier thing will be used
>anyway. Or perhaps they're repackaging Loch Ness. Let's face it --
>"Glacier" would be the most apt name for the guy.
But the idea of Nash coming in as 'Glacier' doesn't make sense now
that Scott Hall will essentially be keeping his 'Razor Ramon'
character, at least initially. For Nash, the logical follow-up would
be to come into WCW with the Diesel character intact as one of
'Razors' WWF cronies.
As far as naming the two new WCW signees, Nash seems to be in better
shape than Hall. A Memphis native and former Memphis State basketball
player, Nash said in a local newspaper interview that his friends had
called him 'Big Daddy Cool' since he was in high school. That name is
his intellectual property, so IMHO, I'd be really surprised and
disappointed if Beeeitchoff saddles Nash with some do-nothing gimmick
like Glacier the Sub-Zero wannabe.
Mike
>>As far as naming the two new WCW signees, Nash seems to be in better
>>shape than Hall. A Memphis native and former Memphis State basketball
>>player, Nash said in a local newspaper interview that his friends had
>>called him 'Big Daddy Cool' since he was in high school. That name is
>>his intellectual property, so IMHO, I'd be really surprised and
>>disappointed if Beeeitchoff saddles Nash with some do-nothing gimmick
>>like Glacier the Sub-Zero wannabe.
Simply having been called a name doesn't necessarily give anyone
rights in it. Nash may have been nicknamed "Big Daddy Cool" in
school, but unless he used it professionally prior to his appearance
in WWF, Vince would still have the right to trademark and own the
name, if he marketed it on T-shirts etc. Which he did. It's a
situation different from Savage's, since Randy Savage went by the ring
name "The Macho Man" and was known to wrestling fans by that name long
before he entered WWF. Likewise, Jerry The King Lawler can go
anywhere and be known as The King. But I don't recall Nash ever
working under the name Big Daddy Cool prior to WWF...
>But the idea of Nash coming in as 'Glacier' doesn't make sense now
>that Scott Hall will essentially be keeping his 'Razor Ramon'
>character, at least initially. For Nash, the logical follow-up would
>be to come into WCW with the Diesel character intact as one of
>'Razors' WWF cronies.
>
Sure it makes sense. I've heard so much about the changes to who's going
to be in Blood Runs Cold, including the recent addition of "Glacier" to
the graphical promo. Could it be that the BRC thing started to fall apart
after WCW started hyping it, and in a scramble to come up with something,
Bischoff has dropped the 3 ninjas angle and decided to make it the 3 GUYS
FROM THE WWF? Think about it. The phrase "Blood Runs Cold" starts to
take on new meaning, doesn't it?
Bairman
>So what we basically have here on RSPW is the status quo -- WWF defenders
>vs WCW defenders. The WWF faithful wishfully thinking how great it
>would've been had this angle been a creation of McMahon's, and the WCW
>defenders thankful that Bischoff has FINALLY come up with a good angle.
>So the WWFers can moan and the WCWers can gloat, but what has been
>accomplished? Hall, and presumably Nash too, will be forced to job to WCW
>stars until Eric thinks he's trashed Vince enough. So what we end up with
>is the age-old question -- What would you for X dollars? I guess for Hall
>it would be to kiss Bischoff's ass. One last thing -- am I the only one
>who's noticed that Big Daddy COOL is rumored to be GLACIER? Too funny!
Oh, I see. He can be a big truck in the WWF, but if he becomes a
mountain of ice in WCW, thats stupid.
>My two cents...
And there is your change :)
Juggernaut
>5) Hall is gonna job to everyone in WCW with a pulse, right?
Absolutely. But for double what he was earning before...Bret Hart is
apparently the only WWFer who has turned down this double-your-money
offer from Ted and Eric...Hard to blame them, but it is sad to see.
>P.S. "At WCW, we ALWAYS have back-up equipment." We know he couldn't
>leave it alone....
They had their own power failure a few months ago, I don't recall (I said
'I don't recall') VinMan saying anything about that...
Andy
it's 9pm, and I'm falling asleep
>You don't waltz into a WCW ring unless
>someone in WCW has given an OK to it, or you'll be tasting heavy
>security. But wouldn't it be nice if it WERE true...
>
>
EXACTLY! And, if it wasn't a WCW angle, how did Razor get in? Did he pay
for a ticket? Where was his seat? Was he let in by a WCW "friend" (I'm
sure they have friends who work for "the competition")?
Anyway, too bad WWF wouldn't come right out, blow WCW's angle, and state
that Razor is NOT Razor and is NOT representing the WWF. Wouldn't that be
great if McMahon out and out blew their angle?
Marc
IOW, Just because the reality upon which a spoof is based has changed
the spoof itself is not invalid. The history of the reality occuring
is the only framework needed.
Nina :)
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<Bairman writes>
>>it would be to kiss Bischoff's ass. One last thing -- am I the only one
>>who's noticed that Big Daddy COOL is rumored to be GLACIER? Too funny!
>
>Oh, I see. He can be a big truck in the WWF, but if he becomes a
>mountain of ice in WCW, thats stupid.
You missed the point Juggy. I never said anything was stupid; I said it
was FUNNY (you know, as in ha-ha). I was simply pointing out the pun --
Big Daddy COOL -- GLACIER. Get it? This newsgroup is supposed to be FUN,
so lighten up and don't take everything as an attack on your hero. I
happen to like Nash very much.
Bairman
On Wed, 29 May 1996 Jugge...@hair.net wrote:
> bmoor...@aol.com (Bmoore2112) wrote:
>
> >So what we basically have here on RSPW is the status quo -- WWF defenders
> >vs WCW defenders. The WWF faithful wishfully thinking how great it
> >would've been had this angle been a creation of McMahon's, and the WCW
> >defenders thankful that Bischoff has FINALLY come up with a good angle.
> >So the WWFers can moan and the WCWers can gloat, but what has been
> >accomplished? Hall, and presumably Nash too, will be forced to job to WCW
> >stars until Eric thinks he's trashed Vince enough. So what we end up with
> >is the age-old question -- What would you for X dollars? I guess for Hall
> >it would be to kiss Bischoff's ass. One last thing -- am I the only one
> >who's noticed that Big Daddy COOL is rumored to be GLACIER? Too funny!
>
> Oh, I see. He can be a big truck in the WWF, but if he becomes a
> mountain of ice in WCW, thats stupid.
>
>
> >My two cents...
>
> And there is your change :)
yeah huh? just like you can be a cowboy in WCW and then a transvetite in
WWF, that's stupid...uhhh well yeah , that IS stupid...
Nickname, I didn't see Diesel act like a truck, as for Glacier, only time
will tell, but I'm looking optimistically at this one<But I know Bischoff
will fuck it up>
>>My two cents...
>
>And there is your change :)
>
>
>Juggernaut
>
>
Kintaro
Unless he signed over the rights to the BDC name when he joined the
WWF (a prospect that I sincerely doubt), the name is his intellectual
property as it originated prior to his relationship with the WWF. I
have several works of both fiction and non-fiction which I have never
commercially published; however, if someone were to somehow get a hold
of these documents and publish them, I need only prove that my
original works predated the publication by the second party to claim
intellectual property rights.
If Nash was accurate in stating that he has been called BDC since
highschool, and can presumably document this (yearbook signatures,
newspaper articles, etc), then the name is his, lock stock and barrel.
Mike
Yeah, but it doesn't make any sense. If the Razor angle was to be
presented as a 'shoot', then it would be ridiculous to have WCW
advertising the newly arriving 'WWFers' for months ahead. Nah,
they'll stick with the three stupid ninja, which will probably go over
about as well as Al Snow's Shinobi character.
MN
And true. When WCW puts on a PPV, they always have two sets of uplink
equipment because they know it'll cost a lot more in the long run if
they have problems getting the PPV to the viewers. Hell even the
extreme fighting thing in Canada had a secondary mobile satellite
uplink (which they had to use when the Canadian government stepped in
and tried to screw them over by yanking their primary uplink
supplier).
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> If it wasn't a WCW angle, how did Razor get in? Did he pay
> for a ticket? Where was his seat? Was he let in by a WCW "friend" (I'm
> sure they have friends who work for "the competition")?
> Anyway, too bad WWF wouldn't come right out, blow WCW's angle, and state
> that Razor is NOT Razor and is NOT representing the WWF. Wouldn't that be
> great if McMahon out and out blew their angle?
>
> Marc
C'mon Marc,
No offense, but anybody who watches wrestling even casually, has probably
heard about Nash and Hall leaving the WWF. There is no angle for Vinnie to
blow. An angle is what Pillman did before the accident. Until he actually
got involved in one of the matches, people were Marking for this guy like
no other.
Don't get me wrong. I think it is one of the funniest twists in recent
memory. Hall is going to job like there's no tomorrow (which may not be
the greatest of career moves but hey...I'm sure he's getting ungodly cash
for his participation anyway). Vince will almost certainly respond in some
manner very soon. But, to say that McMahon can blow their anle is silly.
I'm more interested in what will happen when a ring announcer actually has
to introduce him for his match...what the hell can they call him that will
mean Razor without saying it? Should be funny. :)
JB
>oleg issers wrote:
>
>> Mark mark mark MARK MARK MARK!!!! It is Razor, and it is a fucking
>> angle, and WWF has nothing to do with it
>> !!!
>
>It is obviously an angle, any idiot can see that. But this is a great
>one. WCW actually came up with a good idea. Razor and Diesel come
>in, "defending the WWF" and totally get destroyed, jobbing to everyone.
>This will make the marks think that WCW is better. Believe me when I
>say that this is the closest we will ever get to an inter-promotional
>fued between these two. It's been a very long time since I have said
>this, but I'll say it now: 'Good job WCW' Wow, I haven't said that
>since 1989. Oh wait a minute, that doesn't count. In 1989, I said
>'Good job NWA' for the Funk-Flair fued. I guess that is the first
>time I said 'Good Job WCW'
More like Good Job WWF (since they'll be the ones jobbing)
I won't be surprised if it's the last.
Its not that good. Look at Ramon's future. He won't be welcomed back
to WWF. He is certain to lose whatever confrontation Eric has lined
up. what his credibility from this point on?? eric is selling out
Razor to bash the WiFF and Razor (et al) will suffer the long term
effects. Well don't worry about it too much. Eric will probably
change his whole strategy before next Monday.
>
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Dama...@rt66.com "What the hell, use the bell." ....The Brain
>Don't get me wrong. I think it is one of the funniest twists in recent
>memory. Hall is going to job like there's no tomorrow (which may not be
>the greatest of career moves but hey...I'm sure he's getting ungodly cash
>for his participation anyway). Vince will almost certainly respond in some
>manner very soon. But, to say that McMahon can blow their anle is silly.
>I'm more interested in what will happen when a ring announcer actually has
>to introduce him for his match...what the hell can they call him that will
>mean Razor without saying it? Should be funny. :)
I kindof like the PCGuru's idea of having Hall grab the mic and
saying "You know who I am, Chico" :)
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Oh come on, Scott Hall can come back to the WWF: Uncle Vinnie will just
dress him in a gold suit and have him molest unconsious wrestlers, and
call him the Gay Blade or some such. Who will recognize him?
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>
>Oh come on, Scott Hall can come back to the WWF: Uncle Vinnie will just
>dress him in a gold suit and have him molest unconsious wrestlers, and
>call him the Gay Blade or some such. Who will recognize him?
>
That might cause Vince trouble with whomever owns the rights to that old
George Hamilton movie "Zorro, The Gay Blade" :)
Sorry, could not resist.
Lorie
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