JOBBERS, PRELIMS, BUMS, LOSERS--BUT WHO ARE THEY?
J MICHAEL
regions of the WWF and WCW, involves the art of "nameless" jobbing. I've
tried to pay attention to some of these human fodder machines over the
past three months, but need some help.
Who ARE these guys, really?
WCW -- Brian Costello, John Stevens, Junior Willett, Carl Fergie, Pat
Rose, Alex Davis, Bob Starr, Gary McAlister, Mark Kyle, Rick Thames,
Sonny Trout, Vern Henderson, Bobby Walker, Bucky Seigler, Doug Allen,
Chad Austin, Buddy Wayne, Dave Young, Ken Kendall, Larry Santo, Davey
Rich, Rob Morgan, Nasty Ned, Barry Horton, Bobby Hayes, Mark Thorn, Rip
Rogers, Tom Burton, Joey Maggs, Denny Brown, Scott Page, Johnny Blaze,
Gary Jackson, Tony Mella, Scott Studd, Sgt. Buddy Lee Parker, Derek
Lambert, Mike Davis, Frank Lancaster, Ron Oakes, Chris Nelson, Steve
Collins, George South, Ricky Santana, Fidel Sierra, Rick Stockhausen,
John Faulkner and The Terrorist (?)
WWF -- Buck Quartermain, Matt Hardy, Ray Hudson, Jason Ahrndt, Reno
Riggins, Gary Sabaugh, Butch Long, Gary Scott, Charlie Hunter, Rich
Myers, Mark Starr, Nick Barbieri, Barry Hardy, Jeff Hardy, Mike Khoury,
Bob Knight, Cory Student, Mike Bell, Mike Moraldo, Chris Canyon, John
Paul, Aaron Ferguson, Walter Slow, Mark Maselio, Nick Tarentino, Tim
Dyer, Scott Taylor, Chris Avery, Steve King, Phil Apollo, Tim McNeany,
Tony Roy, Bert Centeno, Chris Hammerick, Ben Jordan, Marty Ginner,
Tyrone Fox, Jason Hendricks, J.S. Storm, John Crystal, Dave D'Amaglio,
Duane Gill, Jeff Harvey, Curtis Hairston, Arby Johns and The Black
Phantom (?)
I mean, are they all DIFFERENT human beings . . . or are they a dozen or
so guys who just happen to look like each other and choose a different
name for each squash match?
Are there schools for jobbers?
How often do they work? I mean, how often do the WWF and WCW hold their
squash match taping sessions? Where do they hold them? Do they let every
one in free? Or is the audience paid to be there?
Are there ratings for jobbers?
Do all these guys have other names and work the independent circuits
like ECW, SMW, NWA, et al?
Or are all these guys just the regular posters on r.s.p-w?
Answers, puleeze . . .
J Michael
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JoelK73586
Here is some info on a few of the jobbers. Joey Maggs used to be a
uswa tag team champion. Tom Burton wrestles for uwfi in japan. Phil Apollo
is the current Doink and was a co-holder of the icw tag title. Frank
Lancaster used to be a top contender 5 or 6 years ago in the mid south.
JoelK73586
Also Ricky Santana was very succesful in wwc and pnw.
David B. Taub
> A significant portion of pro wrestling today, at least in the nether
> regions of the WWF and WCW, involves the art of "nameless" jobbing. I've
> tried to pay attention to some of these human fodder machines over the
> past three months, but need some help.
>
> Who ARE these guys, really?
>
> WCW -- Brian Costello, John Stevens, Junior Willett, Carl Fergie, Pat
> Rose, Alex Davis, Bob Starr, Gary McAlister, Mark Kyle, Rick Thames,
> Sonny Trout, Vern Henderson, Bobby Walker, Bucky Seigler, Doug Allen,
> Chad Austin, Buddy Wayne, Dave Young, Ken Kendall, Larry Santo, Davey
> Rich, Rob Morgan, Nasty Ned, Barry Horton, Bobby Hayes, Mark Thorn, Rip
> Rogers, Tom Burton, Joey Maggs, Denny Brown, Scott Page, Johnny Blaze,
> Gary Jackson, Tony Mella, Scott Studd, Sgt. Buddy Lee Parker, Derek
> Lambert, Mike Davis, Frank Lancaster, Ron Oakes, Chris Nelson, Steve
> Collins, George South, Ricky Santana, Fidel Sierra, Rick Stockhausen,
> John Faulkner and The Terrorist (?)
Umm......
Carl Fergie used to wrestle in Memphis in the '80s and held the AWA
Americas title in 1987 (or one of the Memphis titles)
Denny Brown held the NWA Jr. Heavyweight title in 1987.
Scott Studd is a low-carder in the USWA and a former SMW TV champion.
Frank Lancaster has been a WCW high-level jobber for the past few years.
He used to be in the DAllas World Class and held some tag titles there.
Buddy Lee Parker & James Earl Ray are the jobber tag team of the State
Patrol. They have been high-level jobbers in the NWA/WCW for about 10
years now (?)
Fidel Sierra has been known as David Sierra, Top Gunn, the Cuban Assasin
and has wrestled in Portland, Calgary, Puerto Rico.
Ricky Santana held some titles in Puerto Rico (WWC)
BTW, did anyone notice that Santana & Sierra wrestled as a jobber team in
the WCW and WWF in the same week?!
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> WWF -- Buck Quartermain, Matt Hardy, Ray Hudson, Jason Ahrndt, Reno
> Riggins, Gary Sabaugh, Butch Long, Gary Scott, Charlie Hunter, Rich
> Myers, Mark Starr, Nick Barbieri, Barry Hardy, Jeff Hardy, Mike Khoury,
> Bob Knight, Cory Student, Mike Bell, Mike Moraldo, Chris Canyon, John
> Paul, Aaron Ferguson, Walter Slow, Mark Maselio, Nick Tarentino, Tim
> Dyer, Scott Taylor, Chris Avery, Steve King, Phil Apollo, Tim McNeany,
> Tony Roy, Bert Centeno, Chris Hammerick, Ben Jordan, Marty Ginner,
> Tyrone Fox, Jason Hendricks, J.S. Storm, John Crystal, Dave D'Amaglio,
> Duane Gill, Jeff Harvey, Curtis Hairston, Arby Johns and The Black
> Phantom (?)
Let's see:
John Paul used to be in an AWA tag team called the Top Guns (?) with
Ricky Rice (?) After the AWA folded, he went to jobber-dom.
Gary Sabaugh was formerly known as jobber Itallion Stallion in both the
WCW and WWF. He wrestles as a main-eventer for the ndies.
Mark Starr was a high-level jobber for WCW before jobbing in the WWF.
Mike Moraldo has been seen in SMW and USWA (?)
The Black Phantom s on of the Blackharts (?).
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Just to add what I can...
Chad Austin--Wasn't he the guy in the lawsuit against Marty Jannety?
Rip Rogers--"The Hustler", part of The Cartel in the GWF
Joey Maggs--originally a heel in USWA, I believe
Tom Burton--solid competitor in Minnesota-based PWA, known as "Beef" Burton
Mike Davis--not the RPM/Crazy Mike, is it?
I hate to say it, but you might as well add Beautiful Bobby to this list. :(
> BTW, did anyone notice that Santana & Sierra wrestled as a jobber team in
> the WCW and WWF in the same week?!
Well, I saw them both lose in singles matches in the WWF.
>> WWF -- Buck Quartermain, Matt Hardy, Ray Hudson, Jason Ahrndt, Reno
>> Riggins, Gary Sabaugh, Butch Long, Gary Scott, Charlie Hunter, Rich
>> Myers, Mark Starr, Nick Barbieri, Barry Hardy, Jeff Hardy, Mike Khoury,
>> Bob Knight, Cory Student, Mike Bell, Mike Moraldo, Chris Canyon, John
>> Paul, Aaron Ferguson, Walter Slow, Mark Maselio, Nick Tarentino, Tim
>> Dyer, Scott Taylor, Chris Avery, Steve King, Phil Apollo, Tim McNeany,
>> Tony Roy, Bert Centeno, Chris Hammerick, Ben Jordan, Marty Ginner,
>> Tyrone Fox, Jason Hendricks, J.S. Storm, John Crystal, Dave D'Amaglio,
>> Duane Gill, Jeff Harvey, Curtis Hairston, Arby Johns and The Black
>> Phantom (?)
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> Let's see:
> John Paul used to be in an AWA tag team called the Top Guns (?) with
> Ricky Rice (?) After the AWA folded, he went to jobber-dom.
Was this before or after Rice teamed with Derrick Dukes? I don't seem to
remember John Paul at all (hmm, I'm a poet and... :) )
> Gary Sabaugh was formerly known as jobber Itallion Stallion in both the
> WCW and WWF. He wrestles as a main-eventer for the ndies.
> Mark Starr was a high-level jobber for WCW before jobbing in the WWF.
> Mike Moraldo has been seen in SMW and USWA (?)
> The Black Phantom s on of the Blackharts (?).
Phil Apollo--Doink (I think)
Who's JS Storm? Some weird take-off on JW Storm? BTW, did anyone ever find
out who his partner in Maximum Overdrive was?
I can't believe you forgot Brooklyn Brawler, Iron Mike Sharpe, and Barry
Horowitz (former GWF light-heavyweight champ).
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JefAm
Baltimore area, I have seen many of these wrestlers in action first-hand
(Bob Starr, Chad Austin, Mike Khoury, JR Willett, Tim Dyer, and several
others whose ring names I am not at liberty to mention). TGhey are
anything but "bums, losers, jobbers, prelims".
They are all very talented wrestlers in their own right who unfortunately
have not really been noticed by the big-time organizations.
I suggest that you support the independent wrestling promotions in your
own areas. These guys put on better matches than most of what we see on
TV (if you don't believe me, watch H-squared on the last Clash of
Champions). Most of them are half my age, but I appreciate young,
aggressive talent that always give their all (and not usually for
Hogan-like paydays) and care about the product that they give the local
fans.
Clint Larsen
: The Black Phantom s on of the Blackharts (?).
The Black Phantom is really former PWI Rookie of the year.
Vampire Warrior. He is Luna Vachons husband, he used to wrestle in USWA.
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Roger Deschner
Forget Barry "The Winner" Horowitz? He's such a high-level jobber that
he's practically not a jobber anymore. Many of us refer to The Winner as
"The R.S.P-W Champion Jobber". He's the best jobber - the only one with
a significant following. And he's not a bad wrestler, either.
One of the old GWF's most special moments was when Barry was actually
allowed to WIN A MATCH one day. The announcer went on and on for a long
time about "Upset of the Century". I forgot who he beat - probably
somebody who's now a jobber somewhere himself.
Andrew Ebbeskotte
I think he beat Pvt. Terry Daniels, but hell he even won their
lightheavyweight belt twice.